On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 06:13:56 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 6:08:16 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 11:47:06 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 5:27:49 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> > > On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > > > On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 5:32:52 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> > > > > On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 9:45:44 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> > > > > > Michael Trew wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 6/13/2021 1:26 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:29:00 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what recently compelled me to make a double recipe
>> > > > > > > > > of toll house cookies, but it somehow came out to be about 9
>> > > > > > > > > dozen cookies. In a house without A/C on a near 90 degree day,
>> > > > > > > > > that wasn't my smartest idea.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > I decided to turn off the the pilot lights on my stove to save on
>> > > > > > > > > heat in the kitchen, and supper was just a cold chipped chopped
>> > > > > > > > > ham and provolone sandwich. The humidity has my fridge
>> > > > > > > > > desperately needing defrosted as well. I suppose it's all better
>> > > > > > > > > than snow, however.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I turn of my stove's pilot light permanently! I went all ELECTRIC!
>> > > > > > > > And I have my gas company come and pull their gas meter from my
>> > > > > > > > house!
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Natural gas is dirt cheap around here, I'll keep my stove. I don't
>> > > > > > > care about the oven, other than the cost, but I hate cooking on an
>> > > > > > > electric stove top.
>> > > > > > Same here but it's all in what you are used to. Gas is far more
>> > > > > > flexible than electric or induction.
>> > > > > It's not a good option for homes with kids and for elderly cooks.
>> > > > Really? Millions of kids have grown up in houses with gas ranges.
>> > > > Millions of elderly cooks use gas ranges.
>> > > >
>> > > > I think you're projecting your own fears.
>> > > >
>> > > > Cindy Hamilton
>> > > Around 180,000 house fires start in the kitchen every year. Induction ranges are inherently safer because the cooktops do not heat up. Do the math. You're obviously projecting your own ignorance.
>> > How many of those house fires are directly related to gas cooktops?
>> >
>> > How many of them are related to dumbass behaviors like putting wet food
>> > into hot oil and creating a grease fire? How many of them are electrical
>> > fires?
>> >
>> > Your facile and poorly researched comment is worthless.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> I can't tell you the breakdown of fires caused by gas and electric burners. The reality is that you can easily light a combustible material with gas or electric burners. Try it yourself if you think it's unlikely. You can't do that with an induction cooktop. This is just another one of your idiotic gamesmanship ploys. Yoose gets the last move - count me out of your dumb game.
>
>Ok. Here's my last move.
>
>I have used gas stoves all my life. I've occasionally caused a potholder to smolder.
>Since we've dismantled our kitchen for remodeling, I've been using an induction burner.
>I'm well aware of its characteristics.
>
>Fires are less likely with an induction cooktop. The risk with other cooktops is
>small enough that they're not outlawing them. Your fears are unfounded
>and overblown.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
and then switch back, Or just cook with a propane grill that has a
side burner. Or in warm weather cook outdoors with a white gas camp
stove, very inexpensive to buy one.

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 9:43:11 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 06:13:56 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 6:08:16 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 11:47:06 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 5:27:49 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >> > > On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > > > On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 5:32:52 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >> > > > > On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 9:45:44 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >> > > > > > Michael Trew wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On 6/13/2021 1:26 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:29:00 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what recently compelled me to make a double recipe
> >> > > > > > > > > of toll house cookies, but it somehow came out to be about 9
> >> > > > > > > > > dozen cookies. In a house without A/C on a near 90 degree day,
> >> > > > > > > > > that wasn't my smartest idea.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > I decided to turn off the the pilot lights on my stove to save on
> >> > > > > > > > > heat in the kitchen, and supper was just a cold chipped chopped
> >> > > > > > > > > ham and provolone sandwich. The humidity has my fridge
> >> > > > > > > > > desperately needing defrosted as well. I suppose it's all better
> >> > > > > > > > > than snow, however.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I turn of my stove's pilot light permanently! I went all ELECTRIC!
> >> > > > > > > > And I have my gas company come and pull their gas meter from my
> >> > > > > > > > house!
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Natural gas is dirt cheap around here, I'll keep my stove. I don't
> >> > > > > > > care about the oven, other than the cost, but I hate cooking on an
> >> > > > > > > electric stove top.
> >> > > > > > Same here but it's all in what you are used to. Gas is far more
> >> > > > > > flexible than electric or induction.
> >> > > > > It's not a good option for homes with kids and for elderly cooks.
> >> > > > Really? Millions of kids have grown up in houses with gas ranges..
> >> > > > Millions of elderly cooks use gas ranges.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I think you're projecting your own fears.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> >> > > Around 180,000 house fires start in the kitchen every year. Induction ranges are inherently safer because the cooktops do not heat up. Do the math. You're obviously projecting your own ignorance.
> >> > How many of those house fires are directly related to gas cooktops?
> >> >
> >> > How many of them are related to dumbass behaviors like putting wet food
> >> > into hot oil and creating a grease fire? How many of them are electrical
> >> > fires?
> >> >
> >> > Your facile and poorly researched comment is worthless.
> >> >
> >> > Cindy Hamilton
> >> I can't tell you the breakdown of fires caused by gas and electric burners. The reality is that you can easily light a combustible material with gas or electric burners. Try it yourself if you think it's unlikely. You can't do that with an induction cooktop. This is just another one of your idiotic gamesmanship ploys. Yoose gets the last move - count me out of your dumb game.
> >
> >Ok. Here's my last move.
> >
> >I have used gas stoves all my life. I've occasionally caused a potholder to smolder.
> >Since we've dismantled our kitchen for remodeling, I've been using an induction burner.
> >I'm well aware of its characteristics.
> >
> >Fires are less likely with an induction cooktop. The risk with other cooktops is
> >small enough that they're not outlawing them. Your fears are unfounded
> >and overblown.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
> and then switch back, Or just cook with a propane grill that has a
> side burner. Or in warm weather cook outdoors with a white gas camp
> stove, very inexpensive to buy one.

Why the hell would I want to fool with propane when I already have the
induction burner?

For that matter, I could move my stove outside and hook it up to the
same natural gas line as the gas grill. It was simpler just to break
out the induction burner.


Cindy Hamilton

On 15/06/2021 14:43, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
> and then switch back,

Changing the orifice on a gas stove takes time and knowledge. Natural
gas and propane require different sizes.

On 2021-06-15 11:16 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 15/06/2021 14:43, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
>> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
>> and then switch back,
>
> Changing the orifice on a gas stove takes time and knowledge. Natural
> gas and propane require different sizes.
>

When they brought a natural gas line down our road we were quick to
switch over from gas to oil. I wondered why our neighbours held off on
the switch. They had propane. Aside from the cost of the line to their
house, they were concerned with the cost of converting everything. They
have the house and a pole barn with a heated office, so that was two
furnaces, two water heaters and, being Italian, their dual kitchens with
gas stoves. They did eventually switch, but there was considerable cost.

On 6/15/2021 11:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> When they brought a natural gas line down our road we were quick to
> switch over from gas to oil.
>
Huh?

On 2021-06-15 11:56 a.m., % wrote:
> On 6/15/2021 11:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> When they brought a natural gas line down our road we were quick to
>> switch over from gas to oil.
> >
> Huh?


Oops.... we switched from oil to gas.

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 5:24:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-06-15 11:16 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> > On 15/06/2021 14:43, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >
> >> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
> >> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
> >> and then switch back,
> >
> > Changing the orifice on a gas stove takes time and knowledge. Natural
> > gas and propane require different sizes.
> >
> When they brought a natural gas line down our road we were quick to
> switch over from gas to oil. I wondered why our neighbours held off on
> the switch. They had propane. Aside from the cost of the line to their
> house, they were concerned with the cost of converting everything. They
> have the house and a pole barn with a heated office, so that was two
> furnaces, two water heaters and, being Italian, their dual kitchens with
> gas stoves. They did eventually switch, but there was considerable cost.

My parent's house had gas appliances. I remember watching a repair guy working on the clothes dryer. He said that the jets in the dryer was set up for propane, not natural gas which is what we had. That was nice of him explain that to a pesky kid. He switched out the jet to a bigger one and that dryer was noticeably louder - it sounded like a blowtorch. Clothes dried a lot faster too. Awesome!

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:02:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 5:24:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-06-15 11:16 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> > On 15/06/2021 14:43, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
>> >> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
>> >> and then switch back,
>> >
>> > Changing the orifice on a gas stove takes time and knowledge. Natural
>> > gas and propane require different sizes.
>> >
>> When they brought a natural gas line down our road we were quick to
>> switch over from gas to oil. I wondered why our neighbours held off on
>> the switch. They had propane. Aside from the cost of the line to their
>> house, they were concerned with the cost of converting everything. They
>> have the house and a pole barn with a heated office, so that was two
>> furnaces, two water heaters and, being Italian, their dual kitchens with
>> gas stoves. They did eventually switch, but there was considerable cost.
>
>My parent's house had gas appliances. I remember watching a repair guy working on the clothes dryer. He said that the jets in the dryer was set up for propane, not natural gas which is what we had. That was nice of him explain that to a pesky kid. He switched out the jet to a bigger one and that dryer was noticeably louder - it sounded like a blowtorch. Clothes dried a lot faster too. Awesome!
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On 2021-06-15 2:02 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 5:24:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> O
> My parent's house had gas appliances. I remember watching a repair
> guy working on the clothes dryer. He said that the jets in the dryer
> was set up for propane, not natural gas which is what we had. That
> was nice of him explain that to a pesky kid. He switched out the jet
> to a bigger one and that dryer was noticeably louder - it sounded
> like a blowtorch. Clothes dried a lot faster too. Awesome!
>

You probably had less lint and clothes etc probably lasted longer. It is
the tumbling that causes the lint to break off from the cloth. When my
brother got a gas dryer he noted that clothes dried a lot faster and
there was a lot less lint.

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-06-15 2:02 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 5:24:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> O
> > My parent's house had gas appliances. I remember watching a repair
> > guy working on the clothes dryer. He said that the jets in the dryer
> > was set up for propane, not natural gas which is what we had. That
> > was nice of him explain that to a pesky kid. He switched out the jet
> > to a bigger one and that dryer was noticeably louder - it sounded
> > like a blowtorch. Clothes dried a lot faster too. Awesome!
> >
> You probably had less lint and clothes etc probably lasted longer. It is
> the tumbling that causes the lint to break off from the cloth. When my
> brother got a gas dryer he noted that clothes dried a lot faster and
> there was a lot less lint.

Tumbling clothes to get them dry was a great invention - it makes your clothes nice and soft!

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:39:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-06-15 2:02 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 5:24:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> O
>> > My parent's house had gas appliances. I remember watching a repair
>> > guy working on the clothes dryer. He said that the jets in the dryer
>> > was set up for propane, not natural gas which is what we had. That
>> > was nice of him explain that to a pesky kid. He switched out the jet
>> > to a bigger one and that dryer was noticeably louder - it sounded
>> > like a blowtorch. Clothes dried a lot faster too. Awesome!
>> >
>> You probably had less lint and clothes etc probably lasted longer. It is
>> the tumbling that causes the lint to break off from the cloth. When my
>> brother got a gas dryer he noted that clothes dried a lot faster and
>> there was a lot less lint.
>
>Tumbling clothes to get them dry was a great invention - it makes your clothes nice and soft!
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:14:53 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-06-15 2:02 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 5:24:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> O
>> My parent's house had gas appliances. I remember watching a repair
>> guy working on the clothes dryer. He said that the jets in the dryer
>> was set up for propane, not natural gas which is what we had. That
>> was nice of him explain that to a pesky kid. He switched out the jet
>> to a bigger one and that dryer was noticeably louder - it sounded
>> like a blowtorch. Clothes dried a lot faster too. Awesome!
>>
>
>You probably had less lint and clothes etc probably lasted longer. It is
>the tumbling that causes the lint to break off from the cloth. When my
>brother got a gas dryer he noted that clothes dried a lot faster and
>there was a lot less lint.

Lint, OMG. All my life I've forgotten to worry about lint. Thanks for
the heads-up!

I'm looking forward to "Lint and I, A Journey", by Dave Smith.

--
Bruce

On 6/15/2021 4:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-06-15 2:02 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 5:24:08 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> O
>> My parent's house had gas appliances. I remember watching a repair
>> guy working on the clothes dryer. He said that the jets in the dryer
>> was set up for propane, not natural gas which is what we had. That
>> was nice of him explain that to a pesky kid. He switched out the jet
>> to a bigger one and that dryer was noticeably louder - it sounded
>> like a blowtorch. Clothes dried a lot faster too. Awesome!
>>
>
> You probably had less lint and clothes etc probably lasted longer. It is
> the tumbling that causes the lint to break off from the cloth. When my
> brother got a gas dryer he noted that clothes dried a lot faster and
> there was a lot less lint.

I have an apartment size gas dryer... I've thought about hooking it up
next to my huge ancient 1950's GE electric dryer to compare the two.
I've always wanted a NG dryer.

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:16:00 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 15/06/2021 14:43, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
>> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
>> and then switch back,
>
>Changing the orifice on a gas stove takes time and knowledge. Natural
>gas and propane require different sizes.

Very easy, just swap a plastic disk with a different orifice.

On 15/06/2021 19:26, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:16:00 +0100, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>> On 15/06/2021 14:43, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>
>>> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
>>> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
>>> and then switch back,
>>
>> Changing the orifice on a gas stove takes time and knowledge. Natural
>> gas and propane require different sizes.
>
> Very easy, just swap a plastic disk with a different orifice.
>
Plastic??? Brass. And yes, they are round, but they are more tubular
than disc-like.
Obviously it's not something you have ever done. Nor should you.

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:48:59 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 15/06/2021 19:26, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:16:00 +0100, S Viemeister
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/06/2021 14:43, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
>>>> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
>>>> and then switch back,
>>>
>>> Changing the orifice on a gas stove takes time and knowledge. Natural
>>> gas and propane require different sizes.
>>
>> Very easy, just swap a plastic disk with a different orifice.
>>
>Plastic??? Brass. And yes, they are round, but they are more tubular
>than disc-like.
>Obviously it's not something you have ever done. Nor should you.
>
>
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On 6/15/2021 9:43 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
> and then switch back, Or just cook with a propane grill that has a
> side burner. Or in warm weather cook outdoors with a white gas camp
> stove, very inexpensive to buy one.

My stove was formerly used with propane. I thought one was supposed to
change the gas jets when converting. The prior owner instead readjusted
all of the gas orifices, to get a proper flame... making it a pain to
hook up and adjust.

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:23:37 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 6/15/2021 9:43 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
>> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
>> and then switch back, Or just cook with a propane grill that has a
>> side burner. Or in warm weather cook outdoors with a white gas camp
>> stove, very inexpensive to buy one.
>
>My stove was formerly used with propane. I thought one was supposed to
>change the gas jets when converting. The prior owner instead readjusted
>all of the gas orifices, to get a proper flame... making it a pain to
>hook up and adjust.

Our used truck use to run on propane (utility company vehicle) It has
been converted back to gas. We just need to get an expensive special
air filter.
Janet US

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 7:02:47 AM UTC-10, US Janet wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:23:37 -0400, Michael Trew >
> wrote:
> >On 6/15/2021 9:43 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
> >> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
> >> and then switch back, Or just cook with a propane grill that has a
> >> side burner. Or in warm weather cook outdoors with a white gas camp
> >> stove, very inexpensive to buy one.
> >
> >My stove was formerly used with propane. I thought one was supposed to
> >change the gas jets when converting. The prior owner instead readjusted
> >all of the gas orifices, to get a proper flame... making it a pain to
> >hook up and adjust.
> Our used truck use to run on propane (utility company vehicle) It has
> been converted back to gas. We just need to get an expensive special
> air filter.
> Janet US

I saw a Toyota Mirai the other day. It runs on gas - hydrogen gas. There used to be two places on this rock where you could fill up your fuel-cell car. Well, that was until one of those places closed down. That's the brakes.
https://www.servco.com/innovation/servco-h2-station/

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:23:17 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 7:02:47 AM UTC-10, US Janet wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:23:37 -0400, Michael Trew >
>> wrote:
>> >On 6/15/2021 9:43 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> >> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
>> >> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
>> >> and then switch back, Or just cook with a propane grill that has a
>> >> side burner. Or in warm weather cook outdoors with a white gas camp
>> >> stove, very inexpensive to buy one.
>> >
>> >My stove was formerly used with propane. I thought one was supposed to
>> >change the gas jets when converting. The prior owner instead readjusted
>> >all of the gas orifices, to get a proper flame... making it a pain to
>> >hook up and adjust.
>> Our used truck use to run on propane (utility company vehicle) It has
>> been converted back to gas. We just need to get an expensive special
>> air filter.
>> Janet US
>
>I saw a Toyota Mirai the other day. It runs on gas - hydrogen gas. There used to be two places on this rock where you could fill up your fuel-cell car. Well, that was until one of those places closed down. That's the brakes.
>https://www.servco.com/innovation/servco-h2-station/
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce

On 6/15/2021 9:43 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
> and then switch back.
>
You're an idiot.

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:10:47 -0400, tinfoilhat
> wrote:

>On 6/15/2021 9:43 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> It's easy enough to temporarily connect your stove to a propane
>> bottle... it's no big deal to switch between natural gas and propane
>> and then switch back.
> >
>You're an idiot.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Bruce