On 6/3/2021 6:21 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 09:19:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:39:53 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Since I am alone I bought a 1.5 qt fryer, considerably smaller and
>>>>> dead easy to put it in a cupboard. I have been surprised at how much
>>>>> I use it. One thing I really like is if someone unexpected calls past,
>>>>> 8 minutes for frozen battered shrimp to be ready and twice as good as
>>>>> when done in the regular oven.
>>>> I'm not sue what "calls past" means (I even looked it up).
>>>
>>> We would say "drops by".
>>>
>>>> But
>>>> judging by context, if somebody calls past, you should sometimes
>>>> tell them to bring food since they're kinda imposing.
>>>
>>> Or, you could offer simple hospitality.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I love that my friends feel permitted to drop by, wouldn't dream of
>> suggesting they bring food with them. If all else fails there will at
>> least be cashews in the cupboard. Don't you have good friends who can
>> drop by?
>
> Isn't that what Jindy suggested, even though she doesn't have any
> friends?
>
Too busy making fun of dead people and trying to get rid of stinky
restaurants?

On 6/3/2021 7:29 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> And some can get pretty fancy and
> expensive (like the Breville).
>
> -sw

Spendy too for something made in Auztardia...

https://www.breville.com/au/en/home/index.html

I wonder if they make anything else down there, beer...meat pies...gun
grabbing fascism...I leave anything out?

On 6/3/2021 10:23 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> air fryer was
> around $50 and now I do not feel guilty.

Cheap guilt, $50 Canadian or US?

On 6/3/2021 11:01 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> eating
> chared cured meats is probably the number one cause of breast
> cancer...


No it's not.

https://www.nationalbreastcancer.org...-breast-cancer

But no one knows the exact causes of breast cancer. Doctors seldom know
why one woman develops breast cancer and another doesnt, and most women
who have breast cancer will never be able to pinpoint an exact cause.
What we do know is that breast cancer is always caused by damage to a
cells DNA.

On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:52:08 AM UTC-10, wolfy's new skateboard wrote:
> On 6/2/2021 3:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > I won't keep repeating though in case I come
> > over like I own a Nissan Leaf :-®
>
> Battery power in the frozen north, what could go wrong with that?
>
> Then again, no block heater to **** with.

I can't say how the new Ford electric F-150 will work in the frozen North but it's certainly rocking the truck world. My guess is that it'll be the "killer app" of the electric vehicle world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKIRfPjR-To

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:12:58 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-06-03 11:47 a.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 08:29:33 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Which is why I endorse my convection toaster oven in lieu of air
> >> fryers. My current one is kinda shitty, but much more versatile than
> >> an air fryer since it's flat and rectangular. All metal
> >> construction (except maybe some knobs). It sits on a stand in the
> >> far corner of the kitchen, which also hold several other things as
> >> well as hanging some pans. The pans and racks are removable and
> >> washable - just as is in an air fryer. And this one even costs less
> >> than an air fryer. But you can get better ones for only slightly
> >> more than your average air fryer. And some can get pretty fancy and
> >> expensive (like the Breville).
> >>
>
> >
> > I have a convection oven in my main stove and a large, separate
> > micro-convection combo that sits on a cart in the kitchen. No need for
> > another widget whose only use to me, then is top toasting. Now I get
> > to be the one who doesn't want to take up space with an appliance like
> > a toaster oven, even a small one.
> To the best of my knowledge, an air fryer is basically a small
> convection oven. It may require a little more energy to heat up and run,
> but that is more than offset by the purchase price of a decent air
> fryer, and there is no problem with finding storage space. If I had a
> convection oven I would ditch the air fryer.

The air fryer is a convection oven. The difference is that the regular convection oven uses a fan to make a small oven act more like a larger one. The advantage of an air fryer is more efficient heat transfer because it's directing a large volume of air towards the food. The regular convection oven mostly stirs up the air to even out the heat on the food. I'm not saying one is better - just that they're different.

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 1:15:58 PM UTC-4, wolfy's new skateboard wrote:
> On 6/3/2021 6:21 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 09:19:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:39:53 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Since I am alone I bought a 1.5 qt fryer, considerably smaller and
> >>>>> dead easy to put it in a cupboard. I have been surprised at how much
> >>>>> I use it. One thing I really like is if someone unexpected calls past,
> >>>>> 8 minutes for frozen battered shrimp to be ready and twice as good as
> >>>>> when done in the regular oven.
> >>>> I'm not sue what "calls past" means (I even looked it up).
> >>>
> >>> We would say "drops by".
> >>>
> >>>> But
> >>>> judging by context, if somebody calls past, you should sometimes
> >>>> tell them to bring food since they're kinda imposing.
> >>>
> >>> Or, you could offer simple hospitality.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> I love that my friends feel permitted to drop by, wouldn't dream of
> >> suggesting they bring food with them. If all else fails there will at
> >> least be cashews in the cupboard. Don't you have good friends who can
> >> drop by?
> >
> > Isn't that what Jindy suggested, even though she doesn't have any
> > friends?
> >
> Too busy making fun of dead people and trying to get rid of stinky
> restaurants?

I don't need friends. I have you, darlin'

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:12:52 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-06-03 11:47 a.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 08:29:33 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Which is why I endorse my convection toaster oven in lieu of air
>>> fryers. My current one is kinda shitty, but much more versatile than
>>> an air fryer since it's flat and rectangular. All metal
>>> construction (except maybe some knobs). It sits on a stand in the
>>> far corner of the kitchen, which also hold several other things as
>>> well as hanging some pans. The pans and racks are removable and
>>> washable - just as is in an air fryer. And this one even costs less
>>> than an air fryer. But you can get better ones for only slightly
>>> more than your average air fryer. And some can get pretty fancy and
>>> expensive (like the Breville).
>>>
>
>>
>> I have a convection oven in my main stove and a large, separate
>> micro-convection combo that sits on a cart in the kitchen. No need for
>> another widget whose only use to me, then is top toasting. Now I get
>> to be the one who doesn't want to take up space with an appliance like
>> a toaster oven, even a small one.
>
>To the best of my knowledge, an air fryer is basically a small
>convection oven. It may require a little more energy to heat up and run,
>but that is more than offset by the purchase price of a decent air
>fryer, and there is no problem with finding storage space. If I had a
>convection oven I would ditch the air fryer.

All 3 convections I have bake a bit differently. The main stove is
large and powerful and just gives a boost to distributing the heat
allowing me not to turn baking loaves and other items around for even
baking. The old Panasonic micro-convection, though it has a dial to
450F, never ever gets past maybe 350-375F these days. Good for a baked
potato type of task.

The air fryer, on the other hand crisps things no like nobody's
business, something my other convections don't do as easily or quickly
and without some play. Perhaps the small size, with foods being
relatively close to the heat source, has something to do with the
ability to get things crisp. Chicken, either wings or thighs, frozen
fries or onion rings, or as Lucretia said, coconut shrimp and that
kind of thing just comes out differently and effortlessly with the AF.

For the couple of years they were getting popular, I thought they were
foolish things, but now I am a convert.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 22:21:27 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 09:19:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:39:53 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Since I am alone I bought a 1.5 qt fryer, considerably smaller and
>>>> > dead easy to put it in a cupboard. I have been surprised at how much
>>>> > I use it. One thing I really like is if someone unexpected calls past,
>>>> > 8 minutes for frozen battered shrimp to be ready and twice as good as
>>>> > when done in the regular oven.
>>>> I'm not sue what "calls past" means (I even looked it up).
>>>
>>>We would say "drops by".
>>>
>>>> But
>>>> judging by context, if somebody calls past, you should sometimes
>>>> tell them to bring food since they're kinda imposing.
>>>
>>>Or, you could offer simple hospitality.
>>>
>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>I love that my friends feel permitted to drop by, wouldn't dream of
>>suggesting they bring food with them. If all else fails there will at
>>least be cashews in the cupboard. Don't you have good friends who can
>>drop by?
>
>Isn't that what Jindy suggested, even though she doesn't have any
>friends?
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
The other Dave Smith.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 22:18:53 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:39:53 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>
>>> > Since I am alone I bought a 1.5 qt fryer, considerably smaller and
>>> > dead easy to put it in a cupboard. I have been surprised at how much
>>> > I use it. One thing I really like is if someone unexpected calls past,
>>> > 8 minutes for frozen battered shrimp to be ready and twice as good as
>>> > when done in the regular oven.
>>> I'm not sue what "calls past" means (I even looked it up).
>>
>>We would say "drops by".
>
>'Calls past' seems to suggest they went to the neighbours.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
The other Dave Smith.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 09:19:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:39:53 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>
>>> > Since I am alone I bought a 1.5 qt fryer, considerably smaller and
>>> > dead easy to put it in a cupboard. I have been surprised at how much
>>> > I use it. One thing I really like is if someone unexpected calls past,
>>> > 8 minutes for frozen battered shrimp to be ready and twice as good as
>>> > when done in the regular oven.
>>> I'm not sue what "calls past" means (I even looked it up).
>>
>>We would say "drops by".
>>
>>> But
>>> judging by context, if somebody calls past, you should sometimes
>>> tell them to bring food since they're kinda imposing.
>>
>>Or, you could offer simple hospitality.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I love that my friends feel permitted to drop by, wouldn't dream of
>suggesting they bring food with them. If all else fails there will at
>least be cashews in the cupboard. Don't you have good friends who can
>drop by?
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
The other Dave Smith.

On 6/3/2021 12:17 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:52:08 AM UTC-10, wolfy's new skateboard wrote:
>> On 6/2/2021 3:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> I won't keep repeating though in case I come
>>> over like I own a Nissan Leaf :-®
>>
>> Battery power in the frozen north, what could go wrong with that?
>>
>> Then again, no block heater to **** with.
>
> I can't say how the new Ford electric F-150 will work in the frozen North but it's certainly rocking the truck world. My guess is that it'll be the "killer app" of the electric vehicle world.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKIRfPjR-To
>

Ford says they will sell 40% electric vehicles by 2030 - which is not so
far off.

Who will make 40% more power for our aging and faulty electrical grid
and what kind of power will it be with Xiden ****ing all over natural
gas and coal?

Make book on this - bird killing windmills that ice up and fail and
daytime only solar will NOT step in to save the day.

Also charging stations that take 30-45 minutes are useless for anyone
making a road trip, working delivery, or not charging at home overnight.

We're heading for ANOTHER major gubmint-conned "cash for klunkers"
disaster, but this time it will brown out the home power for the rest of
the sheople.

What say you?

On 6/3/2021 12:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:12:58 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-06-03 11:47 a.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 08:29:33 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which is why I endorse my convection toaster oven in lieu of air
>>>> fryers. My current one is kinda shitty, but much more versatile than
>>>> an air fryer since it's flat and rectangular. All metal
>>>> construction (except maybe some knobs). It sits on a stand in the
>>>> far corner of the kitchen, which also hold several other things as
>>>> well as hanging some pans. The pans and racks are removable and
>>>> washable - just as is in an air fryer. And this one even costs less
>>>> than an air fryer. But you can get better ones for only slightly
>>>> more than your average air fryer. And some can get pretty fancy and
>>>> expensive (like the Breville).
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have a convection oven in my main stove and a large, separate
>>> micro-convection combo that sits on a cart in the kitchen. No need for
>>> another widget whose only use to me, then is top toasting. Now I get
>>> to be the one who doesn't want to take up space with an appliance like
>>> a toaster oven, even a small one.
>> To the best of my knowledge, an air fryer is basically a small
>> convection oven. It may require a little more energy to heat up and run,
>> but that is more than offset by the purchase price of a decent air
>> fryer, and there is no problem with finding storage space. If I had a
>> convection oven I would ditch the air fryer.
>
> The air fryer is a convection oven. The difference is that the regular convection oven uses a fan to make a small oven act more like a larger one. The advantage of an air fryer is more efficient heat transfer because it's directing a large volume of air towards the food. The regular convection oven mostly stirs up the air to even out the heat on the food. I'm not saying one is better - just that they're different.
>

I saw at least one manufacturer that was using infrared lamps for the
heating source.

Reminiscent of GE's failed "advantium" ovens for the home.

https://www.geappliances.com/ge/advantium-oven.htm

I say failed as in they do not sell many compared to regular convection
or microwave.

On 6/3/2021 1:23 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 1:15:58 PM UTC-4, wolfy's new skateboard wrote:
>> On 6/3/2021 6:21 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 09:19:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:39:53 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I am alone I bought a 1.5 qt fryer, considerably smaller and
>>>>>>> dead easy to put it in a cupboard. I have been surprised at how much
>>>>>>> I use it. One thing I really like is if someone unexpected calls past,
>>>>>>> 8 minutes for frozen battered shrimp to be ready and twice as good as
>>>>>>> when done in the regular oven.
>>>>>> I'm not sue what "calls past" means (I even looked it up).
>>>>>
>>>>> We would say "drops by".
>>>>>
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> judging by context, if somebody calls past, you should sometimes
>>>>>> tell them to bring food since they're kinda imposing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, you could offer simple hospitality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> I love that my friends feel permitted to drop by, wouldn't dream of
>>>> suggesting they bring food with them. If all else fails there will at
>>>> least be cashews in the cupboard. Don't you have good friends who can
>>>> drop by?
>>>
>>> Isn't that what Jindy suggested, even though she doesn't have any
>>> friends?
>>>
>> Too busy making fun of dead people and trying to get rid of stinky
>> restaurants?
>
> I don't need friends. I have you, darlin'
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I feel I may have just been Kuthed...

:-X

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:40:37 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:12:52 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2021-06-03 11:47 a.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 08:29:33 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which is why I endorse my convection toaster oven in lieu of air
>>>> fryers. My current one is kinda shitty, but much more versatile than
>>>> an air fryer since it's flat and rectangular. All metal
>>>> construction (except maybe some knobs). It sits on a stand in the
>>>> far corner of the kitchen, which also hold several other things as
>>>> well as hanging some pans. The pans and racks are removable and
>>>> washable - just as is in an air fryer. And this one even costs less
>>>> than an air fryer. But you can get better ones for only slightly
>>>> more than your average air fryer. And some can get pretty fancy and
>>>> expensive (like the Breville).
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have a convection oven in my main stove and a large, separate
>>> micro-convection combo that sits on a cart in the kitchen. No need for
>>> another widget whose only use to me, then is top toasting. Now I get
>>> to be the one who doesn't want to take up space with an appliance like
>>> a toaster oven, even a small one.
>>
>>To the best of my knowledge, an air fryer is basically a small
>>convection oven. It may require a little more energy to heat up and run,
>>but that is more than offset by the purchase price of a decent air
>>fryer, and there is no problem with finding storage space. If I had a
>>convection oven I would ditch the air fryer.
>
>All 3 convections I have bake a bit differently. The main stove is
>large and powerful and just gives a boost to distributing the heat
>allowing me not to turn baking loaves and other items around for even
>baking. The old Panasonic micro-convection, though it has a dial to
>450F, never ever gets past maybe 350-375F these days. Good for a baked
>potato type of task.
>
>The air fryer, on the other hand crisps things no like nobody's
>business, something my other convections don't do as easily or quickly
>and without some play. Perhaps the small size, with foods being
>relatively close to the heat source, has something to do with the
>ability to get things crisp. Chicken, either wings or thighs, frozen
>fries or onion rings, or as Lucretia said, coconut shrimp and that
>kind of thing just comes out differently and effortlessly with the AF.
>
>For the couple of years they were getting popular, I thought they were
>foolish things, but now I am a convert.

It was like that for me - my daughter and a grandson were all saying
how wonderful the fryers were so when I saw a compact one, I decided
to get it. Like you, I find it is slightly different to putting stuff
in the convection oven proper. I like that on when I roast a nice
piece of meat.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 17:25:08 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:40:37 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>

>>For the couple of years they were getting popular, I thought they were
>>foolish things, but now I am a convert.
>
>It was like that for me - my daughter and a grandson were all saying
>how wonderful the fryers were so when I saw a compact one, I decided
>to get it. Like you, I find it is slightly different to putting stuff
>in the convection oven proper. I like that on when I roast a nice
>piece of meat.

I used to think of myself as an early adapter, now I consider myself
an old dog who learned a new trick.

On 6/3/2021 9:15 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 09:19:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>>>> But
>>>> judging by context, if somebody "calls past", you should sometimes
>>>> tell them to bring food since they're kinda imposing.
>>>
>>> Or, you could offer simple hospitality.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I love that my friends feel permitted to drop by, wouldn't dream of
>> suggesting they bring food with them. If all else fails there will at
>> least be cashews in the cupboard. Don't you have good friends who can
>> drop by?
>
> Sure - if they call first. It's been that way with all my friends
> for 40+ years - even before the proliferation of the cell phone
> which makes it pretty easy these days. The only exception was when
> I was a child knocking on a nearby friend's door.
>
> I think *that's* the courteous thing to do.
>
> -sw
>
I tend to agree, Steve. My friends don't just drop by without calling
first (and vice versa). For all they know I might be getting ready to
leave for an appointment (or vice versa). I also don't feel obligated
to feed them or expect to be fed unless we made plans for it.

Jill

On 6/2/2021 7:54 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 18:10:39 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/2/2021 5:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 14:58:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-06-02 2:29 p.m., US Janet wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 13:23:36 +1000, Dave Smith >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 22:20:05 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/1/2021 8:00 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 19:50:23 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I brushed a small pork tenderloin with spicy brown mustard. Rolled it
>>>>>>>>> in dry breadcrumbs seasoned with S&P, minced garlic and crushed parsley.
>>>>>>>>> Baked on a lightly oiled baking sheet at 425F for 20 minutes.
>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I steamed some Fordhook limas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I cut the tenderloin into 1" slices. It's cooked to medium rare. A
>>>>>>>>> couple of slices with lightly buttered limas made for a great dinner.
>>>>>>>>> Leftovers for later in the week or the freezer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought a 2 qt air fryer in order to avoid turning on the oven at 425
>>>>>>>> for 20 minutes. Takes half the time and less than half the power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thrilled for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uncalled for sarcasm noted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uncalled for interpretation. I chose to take it positive. No reason
>>>>> to do otherwise.
>>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> Yes, correctomundo lol I won't keep repeating though in case I come
>>> over like I own a Nissan Leaf :-®
>>
>> LOL! Yes, we wouldn't want you to come across that way. Not to
>> mention if the Nissan Leaf owner had an air fryer he'd have been crowing
>> about it for a couple of years. You bought one and if it works for you,
>> great. Lots of people here like them.
>>
>> I've seen pics of your kitchen; it's open concept so using the oven
>> might heat things up in your dining/living space.
> I don't think you've seen my kitchen, it's a galley kitchen, not 'open
> concept' lol

I could be very wrong but didn't you post pictures at one point where
yes, it's galley style but you can see through to the next room?

Jill

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:21:17 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/3/2021 9:15 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 09:19:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>>>> But
>>>>> judging by context, if somebody "calls past", you should sometimes
>>>>> tell them to bring food since they're kinda imposing.
>>>>
>>>> Or, you could offer simple hospitality.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> I love that my friends feel permitted to drop by, wouldn't dream of
>>> suggesting they bring food with them. If all else fails there will at
>>> least be cashews in the cupboard. Don't you have good friends who can
>>> drop by?
>>
>> Sure - if they call first. It's been that way with all my friends
>> for 40+ years - even before the proliferation of the cell phone
>> which makes it pretty easy these days. The only exception was when
>> I was a child knocking on a nearby friend's door.
>>
>> I think *that's* the courteous thing to do.
>>
>> -sw
>>
>I tend to agree, Steve. My friends don't just drop by without calling
>first (and vice versa). For all they know I might be getting ready to
>leave for an appointment (or vice versa). I also don't feel obligated
>to feed them or expect to be fed unless we made plans for it.
>
>Jill

Friends calling past unexpectedly are my delight - I love to see them.
I'm glad I'm all done with 50-60s protocols.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 1:15:58 PM UTC-4, wolfy's new skateboard wrote:
>> On 6/3/2021 6:21 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 09:19:47 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:39:53 -0300, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I am alone I bought a 1.5 qt fryer, considerably smaller and
>>>>>>> dead easy to put it in a cupboard. I have been surprised at how much
>>>>>>> I use it. One thing I really like is if someone unexpected calls past,
>>>>>>> 8 minutes for frozen battered shrimp to be ready and twice as good as
>>>>>>> when done in the regular oven.
>>>>>> I'm not sue what "calls past" means (I even looked it up).
>>>>>
>>>>> We would say "drops by".
>>>>>
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> judging by context, if somebody calls past, you should sometimes
>>>>>> tell them to bring food since they're kinda imposing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, you could offer simple hospitality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> I love that my friends feel permitted to drop by, wouldn't dream of
>>>> suggesting they bring food with them. If all else fails there will at
>>>> least be cashews in the cupboard. Don't you have good friends who can
>>>> drop by?
>>>
>>> Isn't that what Jindy suggested, even though she doesn't have any
>>> friends?
>>>
>> Too busy making fun of dead people and trying to get rid of stinky
>> restaurants?
>
> I don't need friends. I have you, darlin'
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Wolfy's new Buttplug is falling for you.

Wash him off if you let him come in, Cindy.

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:31:16 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/2/2021 7:54 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 18:10:39 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/2/2021 5:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 14:58:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-06-02 2:29 p.m., US Janet wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 13:23:36 +1000, Dave Smith >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 22:20:05 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2021 8:00 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 19:50:23 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I brushed a small pork tenderloin with spicy brown mustard. Rolled it
>>>>>>>>>> in dry breadcrumbs seasoned with S&P, minced garlic and crushed parsley.
>>>>>>>>>> Baked on a lightly oiled baking sheet at 425F for 20 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I steamed some Fordhook limas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I cut the tenderloin into 1" slices. It's cooked to medium rare. A
>>>>>>>>>> couple of slices with lightly buttered limas made for a great dinner.
>>>>>>>>>> Leftovers for later in the week or the freezer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I bought a 2 qt air fryer in order to avoid turning on the oven at 425
>>>>>>>>> for 20 minutes. Takes half the time and less than half the power.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm thrilled for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uncalled for sarcasm noted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uncalled for interpretation. I chose to take it positive. No reason
>>>>>> to do otherwise.
>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>> Yes, correctomundo lol I won't keep repeating though in case I come
>>>> over like I own a Nissan Leaf :-®
>>>
>>> LOL! Yes, we wouldn't want you to come across that way. Not to
>>> mention if the Nissan Leaf owner had an air fryer he'd have been crowing
>>> about it for a couple of years. You bought one and if it works for you,
>>> great. Lots of people here like them.
>>>
>>> I've seen pics of your kitchen; it's open concept so using the oven
>>> might heat things up in your dining/living space.
>> I don't think you've seen my kitchen, it's a galley kitchen, not 'open
>> concept' lol
>
>I could be very wrong but didn't you post pictures at one point where
>yes, it's galley style but you can see through to the next room?
>
>Jill

I have posted pics of things I cooked, mostly in the kitchen, but not
of the kitchen.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 18:39:46 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:21:17 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>I tend to agree, Steve. My friends don't just drop by without calling
>>first (and vice versa). For all they know I might be getting ready to
>>leave for an appointment (or vice versa). I also don't feel obligated
>>to feed them or expect to be fed unless we made plans for it.
>>
>>Jill
>
>Friends calling past unexpectedly are my delight - I love to see them.
>I'm glad I'm all done with 50-60s protocols.

What are 50-60s protocols?

-
Not Dave Smith

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 14:12:51 -0600, wolfy's new skateboard
> wrote:

>On 6/3/2021 12:17 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:52:08 AM UTC-10, wolfy's new skateboard wrote:
>>> On 6/2/2021 3:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> I won't keep repeating though in case I come
>>>> over like I own a Nissan Leaf :-®
>>>
>>> Battery power in the frozen north, what could go wrong with that?
>>>
>>> Then again, no block heater to **** with.
>>
>> I can't say how the new Ford electric F-150 will work in the frozen North but it's certainly rocking the truck world. My guess is that it'll be the "killer app" of the electric vehicle world.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKIRfPjR-To
>>
>
>Ford says they will sell 40% electric vehicles by 2030 - which is not so
>far off.
>
>Who will make 40% more power for our aging and faulty electrical grid
>and what kind of power will it be with Xiden ****ing all over natural
>gas and coal?
>
>Make book on this - bird killing windmills that ice up and fail and
>daytime only solar will NOT step in to save the day.
>
>Also charging stations that take 30-45 minutes are useless for anyone
>making a road trip, working delivery, or not charging at home overnight.
>
>We're heading for ANOTHER major gubmint-conned "cash for klunkers"
>disaster, but this time it will brown out the home power for the rest of
>the sheople.
>
>What say you?

We coould start with infrastructure improvements and employ workers at
the same time. But, you know, everybody talks about, campaigns about
it, but then there is no support in Congress for it. Thank you
McConnell
Janet US

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 18:41:38 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:31:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 6/2/2021 7:54 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 18:10:39 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/2/2021 5:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 14:58:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-06-02 2:29 p.m., US Janet wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 13:23:36 +1000, Dave Smith >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 22:20:05 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2021 8:00 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 19:50:23 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I brushed a small pork tenderloin with spicy brown mustard. Rolled it
>>>>>>>>>>> in dry breadcrumbs seasoned with S&P, minced garlic and crushed parsley.
>>>>>>>>>>> Baked on a lightly oiled baking sheet at 425F for 20 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I steamed some Fordhook limas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I cut the tenderloin into 1" slices. It's cooked to medium rare. A
>>>>>>>>>>> couple of slices with lightly buttered limas made for a great dinner.
>>>>>>>>>>> Leftovers for later in the week or the freezer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I bought a 2 qt air fryer in order to avoid turning on the oven at 425
>>>>>>>>>> for 20 minutes. Takes half the time and less than half the power.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm thrilled for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uncalled for sarcasm noted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uncalled for interpretation. I chose to take it positive. No reason
>>>>>>> to do otherwise.
>>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, correctomundo lol I won't keep repeating though in case I come
>>>>> over like I own a Nissan Leaf :-®
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Yes, we wouldn't want you to come across that way. Not to
>>>> mention if the Nissan Leaf owner had an air fryer he'd have been crowing
>>>> about it for a couple of years. You bought one and if it works for you,
>>>> great. Lots of people here like them.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen pics of your kitchen; it's open concept so using the oven
>>>> might heat things up in your dining/living space.
>>> I don't think you've seen my kitchen, it's a galley kitchen, not 'open
>>> concept' lol
>>
>>I could be very wrong but didn't you post pictures at one point where
>>yes, it's galley style but you can see through to the next room?
>>
>>Jill
>
>I have posted pics of things I cooked, mostly in the kitchen, but not
>of the kitchen.

I thought you did. Facing in to a corner of the kitchen. Must have
been someone else
Janet US

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 07:46:06 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 18:39:46 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:21:17 -0400, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I tend to agree, Steve. My friends don't just drop by without calling
>>>first (and vice versa). For all they know I might be getting ready to
>>>leave for an appointment (or vice versa). I also don't feel obligated
>>>to feed them or expect to be fed unless we made plans for it.
>>>
>>>Jill
>>
>>Friends calling past unexpectedly are my delight - I love to see them.
>>I'm glad I'm all done with 50-60s protocols.
>
>What are 50-60s protocols?
>
>-
>Not Dave Smith

Miss Manners
Janet US

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:40:37 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:12:52 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2021-06-03 11:47 a.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 08:29:33 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which is why I endorse my convection toaster oven in lieu of air
>>>> fryers. My current one is kinda shitty, but much more versatile than
>>>> an air fryer since it's flat and rectangular. All metal
>>>> construction (except maybe some knobs). It sits on a stand in the
>>>> far corner of the kitchen, which also hold several other things as
>>>> well as hanging some pans. The pans and racks are removable and
>>>> washable - just as is in an air fryer. And this one even costs less
>>>> than an air fryer. But you can get better ones for only slightly
>>>> more than your average air fryer. And some can get pretty fancy and
>>>> expensive (like the Breville).
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have a convection oven in my main stove and a large, separate
>>> micro-convection combo that sits on a cart in the kitchen. No need for
>>> another widget whose only use to me, then is top toasting. Now I get
>>> to be the one who doesn't want to take up space with an appliance like
>>> a toaster oven, even a small one.
>>
>>To the best of my knowledge, an air fryer is basically a small
>>convection oven. It may require a little more energy to heat up and run,
>>but that is more than offset by the purchase price of a decent air
>>fryer, and there is no problem with finding storage space. If I had a
>>convection oven I would ditch the air fryer.
>
>All 3 convections I have bake a bit differently. The main stove is
>large and powerful and just gives a boost to distributing the heat
>allowing me not to turn baking loaves and other items around for even
>baking. The old Panasonic micro-convection, though it has a dial to
>450F, never ever gets past maybe 350-375F these days. Good for a baked
>potato type of task.
>
>The air fryer, on the other hand crisps things no like nobody's
>business, something my other convections don't do as easily or quickly
>and without some play. Perhaps the small size, with foods being
>relatively close to the heat source, has something to do with the
>ability to get things crisp. Chicken, either wings or thighs, frozen
>fries or onion rings, or as Lucretia said, coconut shrimp and that
>kind of thing just comes out differently and effortlessly with the AF.
>
>For the couple of years they were getting popular, I thought they were
>foolish things, but now I am a convert.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
The other Dave Smith.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 18:41:38 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:31:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 6/2/2021 7:54 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 18:10:39 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/2/2021 5:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 14:58:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-06-02 2:29 p.m., US Janet wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 13:23:36 +1000, Dave Smith >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 22:20:05 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2021 8:00 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 19:50:23 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I brushed a small pork tenderloin with spicy brown mustard. Rolled it
>>>>>>>>>>> in dry breadcrumbs seasoned with S&P, minced garlic and crushed parsley.
>>>>>>>>>>> Baked on a lightly oiled baking sheet at 425F for 20 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I steamed some Fordhook limas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I cut the tenderloin into 1" slices. It's cooked to medium rare. A
>>>>>>>>>>> couple of slices with lightly buttered limas made for a great dinner.
>>>>>>>>>>> Leftovers for later in the week or the freezer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I bought a 2 qt air fryer in order to avoid turning on the oven at 425
>>>>>>>>>> for 20 minutes. Takes half the time and less than half the power.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm thrilled for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uncalled for sarcasm noted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uncalled for interpretation. I chose to take it positive. No reason
>>>>>>> to do otherwise.
>>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, correctomundo lol I won't keep repeating though in case I come
>>>>> over like I own a Nissan Leaf :-®
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Yes, we wouldn't want you to come across that way. Not to
>>>> mention if the Nissan Leaf owner had an air fryer he'd have been crowing
>>>> about it for a couple of years. You bought one and if it works for you,
>>>> great. Lots of people here like them.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen pics of your kitchen; it's open concept so using the oven
>>>> might heat things up in your dining/living space.
>>> I don't think you've seen my kitchen, it's a galley kitchen, not 'open
>>> concept' lol
>>
>>I could be very wrong but didn't you post pictures at one point where
>>yes, it's galley style but you can see through to the next room?
>>
>>Jill
>
>I have posted pics of things I cooked, mostly in the kitchen, but not
>of the kitchen.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
The other Dave Smith.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 16:19:30 -0600, US Janet >
wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 18:41:38 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:31:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 6/2/2021 7:54 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 18:10:39 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/2021 5:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 14:58:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2021-06-02 2:29 p.m., US Janet wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 13:23:36 +1000, Dave Smith >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 22:20:05 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2021 8:00 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 19:50:23 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I brushed a small pork tenderloin with spicy brown mustard. Rolled it
>>>>>>>>>>>> in dry breadcrumbs seasoned with S&P, minced garlic and crushed parsley.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Baked on a lightly oiled baking sheet at 425F for 20 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I steamed some Fordhook limas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I cut the tenderloin into 1" slices. It's cooked to medium rare. A
>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of slices with lightly buttered limas made for a great dinner.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftovers for later in the week or the freezer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I bought a 2 qt air fryer in order to avoid turning on the oven at 425
>>>>>>>>>>> for 20 minutes. Takes half the time and less than half the power.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm thrilled for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uncalled for sarcasm noted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uncalled for interpretation. I chose to take it positive. No reason
>>>>>>>> to do otherwise.
>>>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, correctomundo lol I won't keep repeating though in case I come
>>>>>> over like I own a Nissan Leaf :-®
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! Yes, we wouldn't want you to come across that way. Not to
>>>>> mention if the Nissan Leaf owner had an air fryer he'd have been crowing
>>>>> about it for a couple of years. You bought one and if it works for you,
>>>>> great. Lots of people here like them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen pics of your kitchen; it's open concept so using the oven
>>>>> might heat things up in your dining/living space.
>>>> I don't think you've seen my kitchen, it's a galley kitchen, not 'open
>>>> concept' lol
>>>
>>>I could be very wrong but didn't you post pictures at one point where
>>>yes, it's galley style but you can see through to the next room?
>>>
>>>Jill
>>
>>I have posted pics of things I cooked, mostly in the kitchen, but not
>>of the kitchen.
>
>I thought you did. Facing in to a corner of the kitchen. Must have
>been someone else
>Janet US
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
The other Dave Smith.

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:29:55 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 19:41:26 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> > Not sure how to fit a tenderloin into the AF- might have to be cut in
> > half just to fit in some of them and I have a 6 qt.
> >
> > It's be nice to hear other uses of it. One of its silly pleasures is
> > how it handles hot dogs. They come out just the way I like them, as if
> > they were grilled.
> Which is why I endorse my convection toaster oven in lieu of air
> fryers. My current one is kinda shitty, but much more versatile than
> an air fryer since it's flat and rectangular. All metal
> construction (except maybe some knobs). It sits on a stand in the
> far corner of the kitchen, which also hold several other things as
> well as hanging some pans. The pans and racks are removable and
> washable - just as is in an air fryer. And this one even costs less
> than an air fryer. But you can get better ones for only slightly
> more than your average air fryer. And some can get pretty fancy and
> expensive (like the Breville).
>
My issue is with the term, "air fryer." They are mini convection ovens.
They don't fry. Frying involves immersion in hot fat, vegetable or
animal, even shallow immersion. The result is very different. One can't
fry in air any more than one can boil in oil.
>
> -sw
>
--Bryan

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 16:36:50 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 17:25:08 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:40:37 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>>
>
>>>For the couple of years they were getting popular, I thought they were
>>>foolish things, but now I am a convert.
>>
>>It was like that for me - my daughter and a grandson were all saying
>>how wonderful the fryers were so when I saw a compact one, I decided
>>to get it. Like you, I find it is slightly different to putting stuff
>>in the convection oven proper. I like that on when I roast a nice
>>piece of meat.
>
>I used to think of myself as an early adapter, now I consider myself
>an old dog who learned a new trick.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
The other Dave Smith.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 13:01:25 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 11:47:03 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 08:29:33 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 19:41:26 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not sure how to fit a tenderloin into the AF- might have to be cut in
>>>> half just to fit in some of them and I have a 6 qt.
>>>>
>>>> It's be nice to hear other uses of it. One of its silly pleasures is
>>>> how it handles hot dogs. They come out just the way I like them, as if
>>>> they were grilled.
>>>
>>>Which is why I endorse my convection toaster oven in lieu of air
>>>fryers. My current one is kinda shitty, but much more versatile than
>>>an air fryer since it's flat and rectangular. All metal
>>>construction (except maybe some knobs). It sits on a stand in the
>>>far corner of the kitchen, which also hold several other things as
>>>well as hanging some pans. The pans and racks are removable and
>>>washable - just as is in an air fryer. And this one even costs less
>>>than an air fryer. But you can get better ones for only slightly
>>>more than your average air fryer. And some can get pretty fancy and
>>>expensive (like the Breville).
>>>
>>>-sw
>>
>>
>>I have a convection oven in my main stove and a large, separate
>>micro-convection combo that sits on a cart in the kitchen. No need for
>>another widget whose only use to me, then is top toasting. Now I get
>>to be the one who doesn't want to take up space with an appliance like
>>a toaster oven, even a small one.
>>
>>One of the kids has the large Breville and it is a mighty good worker
>>for a small second oven. Very well made for that. I have been trying
>>to figure out how I could justify getting it (size, not price) and I
>>have not figured that out.
>>
>>Once the kids fledged, I took one of their bedroom and lined it with
>>racks and store all the specialty items there. It is steps from the
>>kitchen- had I a larger kitchen, one would say the placement was right
>>there in easy reach. This is where the huge stock pots, Dutch ovens,
>>food processors, the Blend-tec, the bread baking boards, pans and
>>items, the coffee roaster, the juicer, pressure cooker, grinder, etc
>>etc etc all are. I use these things, too. They are not in a place that
>>discourages use. I just go those few steps, grab what I want and plop
>>it on the kitchen counter. I am sure the local Goodwill will be happy
>>even after my kids pick over everything in that distant future.
>>
>>My kitchen gets well into the 90s during hot summer days. It is glass
>>on two sides with full southern exposure. Depending on time of year
>>and the general ambient temp in the kitchen, using the oven,
>>especially to broil, when it requires the door be ajar, can up the
>>temp in there a few degrees- a delight in the winter, but not in the
>>summer. I have never noticed any change in temps in rooms other than
>>the kitchen, though, and I am the sort who has thermometers all over
>>the place.
>>
>>My 6 qt air fryer was solidly under $50 on sale at Costco. Toaster
>>ovens with any bells and whistles are that much or more- air fryers
>>can run more, too, of course.
>>
>>It is all a matter of the appliance offering you capability that you
>>want.
>
>That's a lot of logistics for a couple tube steak... I simmer
>frankfurters for a few moments and dump the water to get rid of the
>salt and chems... then put them back in the pan to griddle them. I
>definately don't want to invest in any Rube Goldburg contraption to
>cook a couple three tube steak.
>All anyone needs to cook thousands of tube steak is a push
>cart with an umbrella.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog_cart
>As anyone can plainly see simmering is the time proven method.
>Chared dawgs are very unhealthful, actually quite carsogenic... eating
>chared cured meats is probably the number one cause of breast
>cancer... no gal ever contracted breast cancer from having their
>bosoms fondled and suckled.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
The other Dave Smith.

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 11:33:10 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:00:34 -0600, US Janet wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 18:03:36 -0400, Boron Elgar
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 12:31:20 -0600, US Janet >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 08:18:30 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 6/1/2021 10:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/1/2021 8:00 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 19:50:23 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I brushed a small pork tenderloin with spicy brown mustard. Rolled it
>>>>>>>> in dry breadcrumbs seasoned with S&P, minced garlic and crushed parsley.
>>>>>>>> Baked on a lightly oiled baking sheet at 425F for 20 minutes.
>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I steamed some Fordhook limas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I cut the tenderloin into 1" slices. It's cooked to medium rare. A
>>>>>>>> couple of slices with lightly buttered limas made for a great dinner.
>>>>>>>> Leftovers for later in the week or the freezer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought a 2 qt air fryer in order to avoid turning on the oven at 425
>>>>>>> for 20 minutes. Takes half the time and less than half the power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thrilled for you. 20 minutes cooking time is fast enough for me and
>>>>>> I use the oven year round.
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree with you, Jill. I use my oven year round too. No need for
>>>>>another gadget (air fryer).
>>>>>
>>>>I'd be willing to give one a go, but I simply don't have room on
>>>>counter or in cupboards
>>>>Janet US
>>>
>>>I have had fun with the air fryer and since my kitchen is not air
>>>conditioned, I think it will come in handy this summer.
>>
>> You know what fascinates me? The Ninja Foodi Grill, 5 in one.
>> https://tinyurl.com/3x982w7j
>> If I had the room I would have one of those.
>
>Always jump right to the bad 1-star reviews on Amazon. The ones for
>this item mostly seem fairly credible. And they all jive with
>others: A PITA to clean, smokes like a chimney, and gets too hot.
>(the later seems to be a common defect).
>
>-sw
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
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Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:29:55 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 19:41:26 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure how to fit a tenderloin into the AF- might have to be cut in
>>> half just to fit in some of them and I have a 6 qt.
>>>
>>> It's be nice to hear other uses of it. One of its silly pleasures is
>>> how it handles hot dogs. They come out just the way I like them, as if
>>> they were grilled.
>> Which is why I endorse my convection toaster oven in lieu of air
>> fryers. My current one is kinda shitty, but much more versatile than
>> an air fryer since it's flat and rectangular. All metal
>> construction (except maybe some knobs). It sits on a stand in the
>> far corner of the kitchen, which also hold several other things as
>> well as hanging some pans. The pans and racks are removable and
>> washable - just as is in an air fryer. And this one even costs less
>> than an air fryer. But you can get better ones for only slightly
>> more than your average air fryer. And some can get pretty fancy and
>> expensive (like the Breville).
>>
> My issue is with the term, "air fryer." They are mini convection ovens.
> They don't fry. Frying involves immersion in hot fat, vegetable or
> animal, even shallow immersion. The result is very different. One can't
> fry in air any more than one can boil in oil.
>>
>> -sw
>>
> --Bryan
>

Yes. It's an electric heating element, and a fan blowing over it.

Sold by some TV chef.

On 2021-06-03 8:19 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

>>> But
>>> judging by context, if somebody calls past, you should sometimes
>>> tell them to bring food since they're kinda imposing.
>>
>> Or, you could offer simple hospitality.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> I love that my friends feel permitted to drop by, wouldn't dream of
> suggesting they bring food with them. If all else fails there will at
> least be cashews in the cupboard. Don't you have good friends who can
> drop by?
>


I would not consider someone to be a good friend if they were not
welcome to drop by, and I would be able to drop in on them.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 16:21:11 -0600, US Janet >
wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 07:46:06 +1000, Dave Smith >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 18:39:46 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>>
>>>Friends calling past unexpectedly are my delight - I love to see them.
>>>I'm glad I'm all done with 50-60s protocols.
>>
>>What are 50-60s protocols?
>>
>>-
>>Not Dave Smith
>
>Miss Manners

Oh, thanks. 50s-60s as in those decades. Not covid related as in
protocol 50 - face mask, protocol 60 - 1.5m distance etc.

--
Not Dave Smith.

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 15:44:30 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:29:55 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> >
>> Which is why I endorse my convection toaster oven in lieu of air
>> fryers. My current one is kinda shitty, but much more versatile than
>> an air fryer since it's flat and rectangular. All metal
>> construction (except maybe some knobs). It sits on a stand in the
>> far corner of the kitchen, which also hold several other things as
>> well as hanging some pans. The pans and racks are removable and
>> washable - just as is in an air fryer. And this one even costs less
>> than an air fryer. But you can get better ones for only slightly
>> more than your average air fryer. And some can get pretty fancy and
>> expensive (like the Breville).
>>
>My issue is with the term, "air fryer." They are mini convection ovens.
>They don't fry. Frying involves immersion in hot fat, vegetable or
>animal, even shallow immersion. The result is very different. One can't
>fry in air any more than one can boil in oil.

It's not stranger than calling an egg shaped object a ball.

--
Not Dave Smith.

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:12:56 AM UTC-10, wolfy's new skateboard wrote:
> On 6/3/2021 12:17 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:52:08 AM UTC-10, wolfy's new skateboard wrote:
> >> On 6/2/2021 3:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >>> I won't keep repeating though in case I come
> >>> over like I own a Nissan Leaf :-®
> >>
> >> Battery power in the frozen north, what could go wrong with that?
> >>
> >> Then again, no block heater to **** with.
> >
> > I can't say how the new Ford electric F-150 will work in the frozen North but it's certainly rocking the truck world. My guess is that it'll be the "killer app" of the electric vehicle world.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKIRfPjR-To
> >
> Ford says they will sell 40% electric vehicles by 2030 - which is not so
> far off.
>
> Who will make 40% more power for our aging and faulty electrical grid
> and what kind of power will it be with Xiden ****ing all over natural
> gas and coal?
>
> Make book on this - bird killing windmills that ice up and fail and
> daytime only solar will NOT step in to save the day.
>
> Also charging stations that take 30-45 minutes are useless for anyone
> making a road trip, working delivery, or not charging at home overnight.
>
> We're heading for ANOTHER major gubmint-conned "cash for klunkers"
> disaster, but this time it will brown out the home power for the rest of
> the sheople.
>
> What say you?

If history has taught us anything, it is that people want to buy cars with the latest tech features. They want push-button starts, backup cameras, and touch screens. My guess is that piston engines are going to be as desirable as white-wall tires well before 2030. Gas engines will be seen as an archaic throwback to the past, in much the same way we see the steam engine. Piston engine technology whether internal, or external combustion, is pretty lame anyway i.e., inefficient. This means that we're going to have to build-up a power infrastructure/network in a hurry. My guess is that this means we're going to have to go nuclear. As always, 1 + 1 will always equal 2.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 09:28:11 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 15:44:30 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:29:55 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> >
>>> Which is why I endorse my convection toaster oven in lieu of air
>>> fryers. My current one is kinda shitty, but much more versatile than
>>> an air fryer since it's flat and rectangular. All metal
>>> construction (except maybe some knobs). It sits on a stand in the
>>> far corner of the kitchen, which also hold several other things as
>>> well as hanging some pans. The pans and racks are removable and
>>> washable - just as is in an air fryer. And this one even costs less
>>> than an air fryer. But you can get better ones for only slightly
>>> more than your average air fryer. And some can get pretty fancy and
>>> expensive (like the Breville).
>>>
>>My issue is with the term, "air fryer." They are mini convection ovens.
>>They don't fry. Frying involves immersion in hot fat, vegetable or
>>animal, even shallow immersion. The result is very different. One can't
>>fry in air any more than one can boil in oil.
>
>It's not stranger than calling an egg shaped object a ball.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
The other Dave Smith.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 09:25:59 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 16:21:11 -0600, US Janet >
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 07:46:06 +1000, Dave Smith >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 18:39:46 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Friends calling past unexpectedly are my delight - I love to see them.
>>>>I'm glad I'm all done with 50-60s protocols.
>>>
>>>What are 50-60s protocols?
>>>
>>>-
>>>Not Dave Smith
>>
>>Miss Manners
>
>Oh, thanks. 50s-60s as in those decades. Not covid related as in
>protocol 50 - face mask, protocol 60 - 1.5m distance etc.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Not Dave Smith.

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 16:42:01 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:12:56 AM UTC-10, wolfy's new skateboard wrote:
>> On 6/3/2021 12:17 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:52:08 AM UTC-10, wolfy's new skateboard wrote:
>> >> On 6/2/2021 3:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >>> I won't keep repeating though in case I come
>> >>> over like I own a Nissan Leaf :-®
>> >>
>> >> Battery power in the frozen north, what could go wrong with that?
>> >>
>> >> Then again, no block heater to **** with.
>> >
>> > I can't say how the new Ford electric F-150 will work in the frozen North but it's certainly rocking the truck world. My guess is that it'll be the "killer app" of the electric vehicle world.
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKIRfPjR-To
>> >
>> Ford says they will sell 40% electric vehicles by 2030 - which is not so
>> far off.
>>
>> Who will make 40% more power for our aging and faulty electrical grid
>> and what kind of power will it be with Xiden ****ing all over natural
>> gas and coal?
>>
>> Make book on this - bird killing windmills that ice up and fail and
>> daytime only solar will NOT step in to save the day.
>>
>> Also charging stations that take 30-45 minutes are useless for anyone
>> making a road trip, working delivery, or not charging at home overnight.
>>
>> We're heading for ANOTHER major gubmint-conned "cash for klunkers"
>> disaster, but this time it will brown out the home power for the rest of
>> the sheople.
>>
>> What say you?
>
>If history has taught us anything, it is that people want to buy cars with the latest tech features. They want push-button starts, backup cameras, and touch screens. My guess is that piston engines are going to be as desirable as white-wall tires well before 2030. Gas engines will be seen as an archaic throwback to the past, in much the same way we see the steam engine. Piston engine technology whether internal, or external combustion, is pretty lame anyway i.e., inefficient. This means that we're going to have to build-up a power infrastructure/network in a hurry. My guess is that this means we're going to have to go nuclear. As always, 1 + 1 will always equal 2.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Not Dave Smith.