On 25/04/2021 01:58, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 1:11:23 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you think a 20YO guy would drive?
>>
>> My guess is any number of older 2 dr Toyota, Honda, or Subaru, car
>> styled for younger buyers. I used to drive a Chevy Nova heap that my
>> parents bought for me. My friend drove a Ford Falcon heap. My other
>> friend drove a BMW 1600 coupe. That guy was probably smarter than the
>> rest of us guys. He was so excited when he got that car. He took me
>> on a scary ride on curvy road at high speed. Ha ha, he was more into
>> cars than I was. A few years later I bought a Mercury Capri. It was
>> a good looking car with a lowered, stiff, suspension, a loud exhaust,
>> and nerf bars instead of a front bumper. It also had the other Capri
>> features such as seats made of cheap materials that self-destructed,
>> rear pop-out windows that fell out, and a trunk lid seal that just
>> sucked exhaust gas into the interior i.e., the complete Capri
>> experience. I remember having to stick my head out the window because
>> the exhaust was impairing my vision. I loved that car!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktNPVeUnx1A
>
> The car he posted looks much like a capri of the 2020's and cheaper
> when you add in inflation. I call is a good car.
===

I used to have one of those many years ago) I loved it)

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 12:11:30 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> On 25/04/2021 01:58, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 1:11:23 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What do you think a 20YO guy would drive?
> >>
> >> My guess is any number of older 2 dr Toyota, Honda, or Subaru, car
> >> styled for younger buyers. I used to drive a Chevy Nova heap that my
> >> parents bought for me. My friend drove a Ford Falcon heap. My other
> >> friend drove a BMW 1600 coupe. That guy was probably smarter than the
> >> rest of us guys. He was so excited when he got that car. He took me
> >> on a scary ride on curvy road at high speed. Ha ha, he was more into
> >> cars than I was. A few years later I bought a Mercury Capri. It was
> >> a good looking car with a lowered, stiff, suspension, a loud exhaust,
> >> and nerf bars instead of a front bumper. It also had the other Capri
> >> features such as seats made of cheap materials that self-destructed,
> >> rear pop-out windows that fell out, and a trunk lid seal that just
> >> sucked exhaust gas into the interior i.e., the complete Capri
> >> experience. I remember having to stick my head out the window because
> >> the exhaust was impairing my vision. I loved that car!
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktNPVeUnx1A
> >
> > The car he posted looks much like a capri of the 2020's and cheaper
> > when you add in inflation. I call is a good car.
> ===
>
> I used to have one of those many years ago) I loved it)

My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy, what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too good for any kid. He must have made good on that because I'd see him driving some ratty sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably what killed him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec

On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy, what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too good for any kid. He must have made good on that because I'd see him driving some ratty sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably what killed him.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
>

Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They appreciate
having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy,
> > what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to
> > his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving
> > a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too
> > good for any kid. He must have made good on that because I'd see
> > him driving some ratty sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably
> > what killed him.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
> >
>
> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They appreciate
> having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.

That applies to all gifts to all ages. No more gifts!

--
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Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy,
>>> what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to
>>> his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving
>>> a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too
>>> good for any kid. He must have made good on that because I'd see
>>> him driving some ratty sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably
>>> what killed him.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
>>>
>>
>> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They appreciate
>> having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.
>
> That applies to all gifts to all ages. No more gifts!
>

Someone should gift you a whiff of cyanide.

On 4/25/2021 2:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy, what a
>> looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to his son when
>> he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving a kid that car
>> is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too good for any kid.
>> He must have made good on that because I'd see him driving some ratty
>> sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably what killed him.
>>
>
> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is.Â* They appreciate
> having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.

In 1976 I went to school with a boy whose father bought him a Triumph
TR7 for his sixteenth birthday. Rumor in school was the kid didn't like
the white TR7 so the next week his father bought him one in blue. Can
you say spoiled? I sincerely doubt he appreciated it.

I worked and saved money and bought my first car. I took out a loan but
I paid it off in 3 years. Didn't need a co-signer. My ex-husband did
his damndest to ruin my credit but I paid off those debts. Some were
cleared in the divorce proceedings. For example, I have no idea what
happened to the washer and dryer he bought on credit without asking me.
Maybe he sold them after I left. I made sure in filing the decree I
was not responsible for any debts he incurred that I was not a party to
(i.e. didn't include my signature.) But I digress...

By age 24 I'd paid off any debts I was responsible for, re-established
my credit and easily secured a bank loan. And yes, it felt wonderful
when I wrote that last check to the bank three years later and owned the
1984 Toyota Corolla outright.

Jill

On 2021-04-25 2:55 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

> By age 24 I'd paid off any debts I was responsible for, re-established
> my credit and easily secured a bank loan.Â* And yes, it felt wonderful
> when I wrote that last check to the bank three years later and owned the
> 1984 Toyota Corolla outright.
>
>

Kids have it much easier these days. The cars are built so much better
and last longer. When I was younger I had to commute about 40 miles
each way to work and did a lot of driving around on my own time. I used
to fiance them over 3-4 years and by that time they were pretty well
worn out and rusted out so it would be time to buy a new one.

On 2021 Apr 25, , Dave Smith wrote
(in article >):

> Kids have it much easier these days. The cars are built so much better
> and last longer. When I was younger I had to commute about 40 miles
> each way to work and did a lot of driving around on my own time. I used
> to fiance them over 3-4 years and by that time they were pretty well
> worn out and rusted out so it would be time to buy a new one.

Don´t forget bias-plied tires. They didn´t last too long either. Retreads
were big business. Radials were too expensive for commoners.
Computerized ignition added a hundred thousand miles to vehicle life.
Remember points, plugs and condenser? You had to change them all, and often,
or ignition-timing went to hell and the engine suffered early death.

On 4/25/2021 7:38 PM, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Apr 25, , Dave Smith wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> Kids have it much easier these days. The cars are built so much better
>> and last longer. When I was younger I had to commute about 40 miles
>> each way to work and did a lot of driving around on my own time. I used
>> to fiance them over 3-4 years and by that time they were pretty well
>> worn out and rusted out so it would be time to buy a new one.
>
> Don´t forget bias-plied tires. They didn´t last too long either. Retreads
> were big business. Radials were too expensive for commoners.
> Computerized ignition added a hundred thousand miles to vehicle life.
> Remember points, plugs and condenser? You had to change them all, and often,
> or ignition-timing went to hell and the engine suffered early death.
>
>

Bought a lot of retreads back in the 60s. Pulled plugs at 5000 miles to
clean them and replaced them at 10,000.

One big difference though, you could actually see the spark plugs to put
a socket on them.

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 6:38:23 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Apr 25, , Dave Smith wrote
> (in article >):
> > Kids have it much easier these days. The cars are built so much better
> > and last longer. When I was younger I had to commute about 40 miles
> > each way to work and did a lot of driving around on my own time. I used
> > to fiance them over 3-4 years and by that time they were pretty well
> > worn out and rusted out so it would be time to buy a new one.
> Don´t forget bias-plied tires. They didn´t last too long either.. Retreads
> were big business. Radials were too expensive for commoners.
> Computerized ignition added a hundred thousand miles to vehicle life.
> Remember points, plugs and condenser? You had to change them all, and often,
> or ignition-timing went to hell and the engine suffered early death.
>
And engine oils have improved tremendously. The high end synthetics
have very high film strengths, and the anti-wear additives have also
been improved. All electrics are still impractical for long distance travel,
and there are too few plug-in hybrids, but the engines in hybrids seldom
have to run at high RPMs, so they should last a million miles. Barring a
collision, the weakest component is the driver's seat.

--Bryan

On 25/04/2021 19:55, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/25/2021 2:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy, what
>>> a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to his son
>>> when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving a kid that
>>> car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too good for any
>>> kid. He must have made good on that because I'd see him driving some
>>> ratty sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably what killed him.
>>>
>>
>> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is.Â* They appreciate
>> having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.
>
> In 1976 I went to school with a boy whose father bought him a Triumph
> TR7 for his sixteenth birthday.Â* Rumor in school was the kid didn't like
> the white TR7 so the next week his father bought him one in blue.Â* Can
> you say spoiled?Â* I sincerely doubt he appreciated it.
>
> I worked and saved money and bought my first car.Â* I took out a loan but
> I paid it off in 3 years.Â* Didn't need a co-signer.Â* My ex-husband did
> his damndest to ruin my credit but I paid off those debts.Â* Some were
> cleared in the divorce proceedings.Â* For example, I have no idea what
> happened to the washer and dryer he bought on credit without asking me.
> Maybe he sold them after I left.Â* I made sure in filing the decree I was
> not responsible for any debts he incurred that I was not a party to
> (i.e. didn't include my signature.)Â* But I digress...
>
> By age 24 I'd paid off any debts I was responsible for, re-established
> my credit and easily secured a bank loan.Â* And yes, it felt wonderful
> when I wrote that last check to the bank three years later and owned the
> 1984 Toyota Corolla outright.
>
> Jill

=====

Well done!!!!!

On 2021-04-25 2:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy, what a
>> looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to his son when
>> he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving a kid that car
>> is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too good for any kid.
>> He must have made good on that because I'd see him driving some ratty
>> sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably what killed him.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
>>
>
> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is.Â* They appreciate
> having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.



That reminded me of a friend in high school. His father gave him a
(used) Mercedes sports car, a 190 IIRC. One day at noon hour he went
over to the nearby mall and was fishtailing around on the snow covered
parking lot. We slid right into the concrete base of on the the lamp
stanchion.

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:22:55 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy, what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too good for any kid. He must have made good on that because I'd see him driving some ratty sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably what killed him.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
> >
> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They appreciate
> having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.

Giving a kid a car is what people with too much money like to do. I don't know why they do it, they just do. My brother has a friend that sells exotic cars. He says the rich kids come to America to go to school and their rich daddies will buy them a Ferrari, Lamborghini, et al. Sometimes the kid will crash it within minutes. One kid turned on the cruise control and got into the passenger seat because he thought the car was going to drive itself.
Being rich - what a hellish existence.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:22:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy, what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too good for any kid. He must have made good on that because I'd see him driving some ratty sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably what killed him.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
>>
>
>Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They appreciate
>having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.

I hope all recipients take this to heart if a fiance buys an
engagement ring...

On 4/25/2021 4:20 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:22:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy, what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too good for any kid. He must have made good on that because I'd see him driving some ratty sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably what killed him.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
>>>
>>
>> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They appreciate
>> having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.
>
> I hope all recipients take this to heart if a fiance buys an
> engagement ring...
>
>
What?! An engagement ring is "a gift given in contemplation of
marriage". In most states, if the marriage doesn't take place it isn't
considered a gift and the ring should be returned. Not so with a parent
gifting their child a car. Especially not if they co-sign a loan for
said car... the parents will be stuck if the child defaults on the loan.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> On 4/25/2021 4:20 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:22:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
> wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy,
> > > > what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it
> > > > to his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad.
> > > > Giving a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that
> > > > car is too good for any kid. He must have made good on that
> > > > because I'd see him driving some ratty sedan. That's just
> > > > depressing! It's probably what killed him.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
> > > >
> > >
> > > Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They
> > > appreciate having it and will care for it more if they paid for
> > > it.
> >
> > I hope all recipients take this to heart if a fiance buys an
> > engagement ring...
> >
> >
> What?! An engagement ring is "a gift given in contemplation of
> marriage". In most states, if the marriage doesn't take place it
> isn't considered a gift and the ring should be returned. Not so with
> a parent gifting their child a car. Especially not if they co-sign a
> loan for said car... the parents will be stuck if the child defaults
> on the loan.

The little Americans and their money. Such a source of angst.

--
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Dr. Bruce wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2021 4:20 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:22:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy,
>>>>> what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it
>>>>> to his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad.
>>>>> Giving a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that
>>>>> car is too good for any kid. He must have made good on that
>>>>> because I'd see him driving some ratty sedan. That's just
>>>>> depressing! It's probably what killed him.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They
>>>> appreciate having it and will care for it more if they paid for
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> I hope all recipients take this to heart if a fiance buys an
>>> engagement ring...
>>>
>>>
>> What?! An engagement ring is "a gift given in contemplation of
>> marriage". In most states, if the marriage doesn't take place it
>> isn't considered a gift and the ring should be returned. Not so with
>> a parent gifting their child a car. Especially not if they co-sign a
>> loan for said car... the parents will be stuck if the child defaults
>> on the loan.
>
> The little Americans and their money. Such a source of angst.
>

And many tiny sphincters for you to enjoy, master.

Dr. Bruce wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2021 4:20 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:22:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy,
>>>>> what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it
>>>>> to his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad.
>>>>> Giving a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that
>>>>> car is too good for any kid. He must have made good on that
>>>>> because I'd see him driving some ratty sedan. That's just
>>>>> depressing! It's probably what killed him.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They
>>>> appreciate having it and will care for it more if they paid for
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> I hope all recipients take this to heart if a fiance buys an
>>> engagement ring...
>>>
>>>
>> What?! An engagement ring is "a gift given in contemplation of
>> marriage". In most states, if the marriage doesn't take place it
>> isn't considered a gift and the ring should be returned. Not so with
>> a parent gifting their child a car. Especially not if they co-sign a
>> loan for said car... the parents will be stuck if the child defaults
>> on the loan.
>
> The little Americans and their money. Such a source of angst.
>
The ****ant auztards, no money and no freedoms to speak of.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 19:35:14 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/25/2021 4:20 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:22:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy, what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too good for any kid. He must have made good on that because I'd see him driving some ratty sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably what killed him.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
>>>>
>>>
>>> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They appreciate
>>> having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.
>>
>> I hope all recipients take this to heart if a fiance buys an
>> engagement ring...
>>
>>
>What?! An engagement ring is "a gift given in contemplation of
>marriage". In most states, if the marriage doesn't take place it isn't
>considered a gift and the ring should be returned. Not so with a parent
>gifting their child a car. Especially not if they co-sign a loan for
>said car... the parents will be stuck if the child defaults on the loan.
>
>Jill

There are fewer legal constraints on an engagement ring than on a car
purchase

On 4/26/2021 9:08 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 19:35:14 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2021 4:20 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:22:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/25/2021 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My late dentist use to have a 2003 Infinity G35 coupe. Hoo boy, what a looker that car is! He told me he was going to give it to his son when he got his driver's licence. That made me sad. Giving a kid that car is just asking for trouble. In fact, that car is too good for any kid. He must have made good on that because I'd see him driving some ratty sedan. That's just depressing! It's probably what killed him.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92FJLlCjBec
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Giving a kid a car is foolish no matter what it is. They appreciate
>>>> having it and will care for it more if they paid for it.
>>>
>>> I hope all recipients take this to heart if a fiance buys an
>>> engagement ring...
>>>
>>>
>> What?! An engagement ring is "a gift given in contemplation of
>> marriage". In most states, if the marriage doesn't take place it isn't
>> considered a gift and the ring should be returned. Not so with a parent
>> gifting their child a car. Especially not if they co-sign a loan for
>> said car... the parents will be stuck if the child defaults on the loan.
>>
>> Jill
>
> There are fewer legal constraints on an engagement ring than on a car
> purchase
>
Of course there are. But if someone buys a stupidly expensive
engagement ring and the couple breaks up, it's not the same as an adult
child defaulting on a co-signed car loan.

Jill