On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
wrote:

>On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 10:28:49 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 7:49:20 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>> >
>> > > ...for a set of New Shoes! Yay!
>> > >
>> > > Just waiting on a call back to find out what size and how much it will cost me!
>> > >
>> > > John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>> > You had to towed to dealership for pricing on new tires?
>> >
>> > Are you nutz?
>> >
>> > -sw
>> I'm, I''m getting a set of 4 new Michelins for $2000 and an alignment for $150 to.
>>
>> You can get cheaper but cheaper is cheaper!
>>
>>
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
>
>I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>
>John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

$250 per tire??? What?

On 2021-03-21 4:14 p.m., Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
>>
>> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>>
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>
> $250 per tire??? What?
>

Yeah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.

On 3/21/2021 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 4:14 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
>>>
>>> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>
>> $250 per tire??? What?
>>
>
> Yeah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.

Not all that bad from a dealer. This is from Tirerack.com and does not
include mounting and balancing. The Primacy is $210 each

https://tinyurl.com/2j622nm8

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2021-03-21 4:14 p.m., Bruce wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
> >>
> >> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
> >>
> >> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >
> > $250 per tire??? What?
> >
>
> Yeah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.

He's buying Michelins made in China. A computer enginner who's too
dumb to do the research online.


Janet UK

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:46:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On 2021-03-21 4:14 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>> > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
>> >>
>> >> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>> >>
>> >> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>> >
>> > $250 per tire??? What?

You've never purchased quality tires.... that's a very small price for
a quality tire... my wife recently purchased 5 Michelins for her
Toyota CJ; cost over $2,000... plus balancing and alignment.

>> Yeah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.
>
> He's buying Michelins made in China. A computer enginner who's too
>dumb to do the research online.
>
> Janet UK

I doubt Michelin has a plant in China. Japan manufactures motorcycle
and bicycle tires.
Michelin tires sold in the US are made in the US, in the Caroliners.
https://allamericanreviews.com/best-tires/
My Landcruiser sports Cooper tires, made in the US.
The DOT is very strict about tires.

On 3/21/2021 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 4:14 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
>>>
>>> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>
>> $250 per tire??? What?
>>
>
> Yeah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.

Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
the same and if done properly....just as good as new.

On 2021-03-22 10:53 a.m., Gary wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-03-21 4:14 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
>>>>
>>>> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>
>>> $250 per tire??? What?
>>>
>>
>> Yeah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.
>
> Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
> half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
> the same and if done properly....just as good as new.
>
>
>
I once had a tour of a retreading facility. It was interesting. They
swore that their retreads were just as good as new tires. They had a bad
name at the time, but he said the problems they had seen were from low
tire pressure.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:53:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 3/21/2021 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-03-21 4:14 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
>>>>
>>>> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>
>>> $250 per tire??? What?
>>>
>>
>> Yeah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.
>
>Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
>half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
>the same and if done properly....just as good as new.

Retreads are passable used on a low speed dump truck, don't take them
over 40 MPH. I see lots of those retread caps on the roadside.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 11:22:03 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:53:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
> >half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
> >the same and if done properly....just as good as new.
> >
No, they're not just as good as new.
>
> Retreads are passable used on a low speed dump truck, don't take them
> over 40 MPH. I see lots of those retread caps on the roadside.
>
Interstates are littered with them. But Gary never drives anywhere to see
them scattered about.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:12:53 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 11:22:03 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:53:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
>> >half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
>> >the same and if done properly....just as good as new.
>> >
>No, they're not just as good as new.
>>
>> Retreads are passable used on a low speed dump truck, don't take them
>> over 40 MPH. I see lots of those retread caps on the roadside.
>>
>Interstates are littered with them. But Gary never drives anywhere to see
>them scattered about.

Obviously Gary buys $10 retreads for his painting van.

wrote:
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 11:22:03 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:53:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
>>> half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
>>> the same and if done properly....just as good as new.
>>>
> No, they're not just as good as new.
>>
>> Retreads are passable used on a low speed dump truck, don't take them
>> over 40 MPH. I see lots of those retread caps on the roadside.
>>
> Interstates are littered with them. But Gary never drives anywhere to see
> them scattered about.
>

Just about all semis use retreads, except on the front wheels. I
believe it's a legal requirement on the front tires.

They go a hell of a lot faster than 40.

As usual, Popeye is full of shit.

On 2021-03-22 12:21 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:53:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
eah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.
>>
>> Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
>> half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
>> the same and if done properly....just as good as new.
>
> Retreads are passable used on a low speed dump truck, don't take them
> over 40 MPH. I see lots of those retread caps on the roadside.
>

How do you know if they are retreads if you see only the caps? As I
mentioned the other day, when I was on a road crew in 1978 we picked up
more blown out Michelin tires than all others combined.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:43:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-03-22 12:21 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:53:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>eah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.
>>>
>>> Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
>>> half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
>>> the same and if done properly....just as good as new.
>>
>> Retreads are passable used on a low speed dump truck, don't take them
>> over 40 MPH. I see lots of those retread caps on the roadside.
>>
>
>How do you know if they are retreads if you see only the caps?

More than half will be inside up, easy to see it was vulcanized.

>As I
>mentioned the other day, when I was on a road crew in 1978 we picked up
>more blown out Michelin tires than all others combined.

WTF knows what you picked up in 1978?

Do you think that's believable, practically nothing you claim is
believeable, blown retreads will only show the tread part on the
roadway, easy to see it was vulcanized, the portion with the sidewall
and tire name will still be on the vehical's wheel or totally
destroyed... and most retread places grind off any tire ID because
they don't want to get sued by tire manufacturers for using their name
on a shoddy product without permission. Today it's near impossible to
register a vehical with retreads, they are not legally permited on
interstates... sure but many truckers don't obey vehicular code. It's
usually the inner tire on a tandem trailer that's the retread, not
easy to spot. The driver will head for a tire shop for another
retread.
When we bought our first house on Long Island my father helped us
move, he used his old Duggan's baked goods delivery van. We got from
Brooklyn to the east end of Long Island just fine, but halway back
with no load a rear tire blew. It was a Sunday and the tire shop in
Brooklyn was closed. So we hobbled back to Brooklyn at no more than
15 mph and laid low until early Monday morning when the tire shop
opened and they could put on a new old retread. My father had worked
for Duggan Brothers for 27 years at that time and he told me that all
their trucks used retreads... they delivered light loads (bread &
cake) to the homes on city streets, all slow driving. But that day we
were on the expressway.

On 3/22/2021 1:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-22 12:21 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:53:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
> eah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.
>>>
>>> Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
>>> half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
>>> the same and if done properly....just as good as new.
>>
>> Retreads are passable used on a low speed dump truck, don't take them
>> over 40 MPH. I see lots of those retread caps on the roadside.
>>
>
> How do you know if they are retreads if you see only the caps? As I
> mentioned the other day, when I was on a road crew in 1978 we picked up
> more blown out Michelin tires than all others combined.

I was told once that the process is the same for new tires and retreads.
I only bought retreads for a few years in the 1970's and they never
separated, just wore out eventually like a new tire will do.

I did do high speed highway driving then too. Never had a tread fall off.

On 2021-03-23 8:23 a.m., Gary wrote:
> On 3/22/2021 1:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-03-22 12:21 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:53:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>> eah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.
>>>>
>>>> Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
>>>> half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
>>>> the same and if done properly....just as good as new.
>>>
>>> Retreads are passable used on a low speed dump truck, don't take them
>>> over 40 MPH.Â* I see lots of those retread caps on the roadside.
>>>
>>
>> How do you know if they are retreads if you see only the caps? As I
>> mentioned the other day, when I was on a road crew in 1978 we picked up
>> more blown out Michelin tires than all others combined.
>
> I was told once that the process is the same for new tires and retreads.
> I only bought retreads for a few years in the 1970's and they never
> separated, just wore out eventually like a new tire will do.
>
> I did do high speed highway driving then too. Never had a tread fall off.
>
>


Perhaps the problem is that the people who used re-treads were replacing
tires that had worn prematurely die to low air pressure. Way too many
people neglect to check their tires regularly to ensure they are at the
proper pressure. Rubber tires are slightly air permeable and the air
actually escapes right through the sidewalls. Air also escapes from
valve stems and even through the cap. Last year I had a problem with a
tire. The low air pressure warning light would come on every week or
two. The problem turned out to be that the sensor was leaking.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 6:22:03 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:53:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >On 3/21/2021 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2021-03-21 4:14 p.m., Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
> >> John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
> >>>>
> >>>> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
> >>>>
> >>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >>>
> >>> $250 per tire??? What?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yeah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.
> >
> >Many years ago, there was a nearby store that sold retreads. Less than
> >half the price of new tires and they were just as good. The process is
> >the same and if done properly....just as good as new.
> Retreads are passable used on a low speed dump truck, don't take them
> over 40 MPH. I see lots of those retread caps on the roadside.

My brother-in-laws had retreads on a truck they had. They were moving to a new house and pulling a U-Haul when a tire failed. They had a hitchhiker riding with them who claimed to be a songwriter. He wrote a song about it. That was nice of him. Along the way, one of their trucks would break down. Near as I can tell, a trip with those guys is always an adventure. It's the reason I don't ever want to take long trips with my brother-in-laws.

"The wildest cat from Montana passes by in a flash
Then a lady in a bright orange dress
One U-Haul trailer, a truck with no wheels"