On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:45:07 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>What John did was get rid of a really nice way of cooking. A gas stove.
> Not that he actually cooks anything other than that VSTD palaver, but
>still. He ripped out a perfectly good gas stove, had the pipe capped
>off and the meter turned off. He converted everything to electric.
>He's talking about being charged for the Gas Meter connection. I don't
>think he understands he's now being charged for the Electric Meter
>connection.
>
>I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill? Electricity isn't free.
> And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels.

"You can stop saying that now. Thank you." (Jill)

--
The real Bruce posts with Eternal September

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:45:07 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/20/2021 9:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 9:18:23 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>>> My house came with a Gas Meter too, but I had that ****er removed after I got all electric everything and was still being charged a $20 Connection Fee!
>>>
>>> **** Fossil Fuels! And $20 Connection Fees to use them!
>>
>> When we converted from propane to natural gas, we changed out our
>> electric water heater and electric stove for gas appliances.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>What John did was get rid of a really nice way of cooking. A gas stove.
> Not that he actually cooks anything other than that VSTD palaver, but
>still. He ripped out a perfectly good gas stove, had the pipe capped
>off and the meter turned off.

Yes, an absolute fool. Cooking on gas is a thousand times better than
any electric alternative.

> He converted everything to electric.
>He's talking about being charged for the Gas Meter connection. I don't
>think he understands he's now being charged for the Electric Meter
>connection.
>
>I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill? Electricity isn't free.
> And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels. He's an amazing hypocrite.

Oh yes. Unfortunately John just can't see his hypocrisy on so many
things. I'm not even 100% sure he is sincere in his concern for the
environment, his priority appears to more towards self-aggrandizement
and showing off to other people.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:08:40 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:45:07 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>What John did was get rid of a really nice way of cooking. A gas stove.
>> Not that he actually cooks anything other than that VSTD palaver, but
>>still. He ripped out a perfectly good gas stove, had the pipe capped
>>off and the meter turned off. He converted everything to electric.
>>He's talking about being charged for the Gas Meter connection. I don't
>>think he understands he's now being charged for the Electric Meter
>>connection.
>>
>>I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill? Electricity isn't free.
>> And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels.
>
>"You can stop saying that now. Thank you." (Jill)

Oh look, another hypocrite.

On 2021-03-20 2:54 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 20/03/2021 19:59, wrote:
>
>> I've always had gas heat and a gas water heater here.Â* About 10 years ago
>> I converted from an electric flat top stove to a gas range.Â* Love the
>> quick
>> response and instant temperature adjustment of gas over an electric
>> range.
>> I really appreciated that gas range March 2020 when the tornado tore
>> through
>> Nashville.Â* At least fresh vegetables and canned goods could be
>> cooked; that
>> would have been impossible with an electric stove since there was no
>> electricity
>> for 5 days.
>>
> Sensible.
> That's why we have a gas cooktop, too. And matches.
>
But gas is only necessary if you live where there could be serious power
failures.

On 3/20/2021 1:54 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 20/03/2021 19:59, wrote:
>
>> I've always had gas heat and a gas water heater here. About 10 years ago
>> I converted from an electric flat top stove to a gas range. Love the quick
>> response and instant temperature adjustment of gas over an electric range.
>> I really appreciated that gas range March 2020 when the tornado tore through
>> Nashville. At least fresh vegetables and canned goods could be cooked; that
>> would have been impossible with an electric stove since there was no electricity
>> for 5 days.
>>
> Sensible.
> That's why we have a gas cooktop, too. And matches.
>


Are there any workarounds for the electric starters in the gas oven when
the electricity is out?

On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 5:26:31 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> Are there any workarounds for the electric starters in the gas oven when
> the electricity is out?
>
Gas ranges are still available for purchase that have a pilot light. Mine does
not have one; only a glow bar that takes electricity to open that solenoid
and spark that gas. The stovetop has electronic ignition for the burners but
they are easily lit with a match or one of those long-nose barbecue lighters
when the power is off.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 15:26:27 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 3/20/2021 1:54 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 20/03/2021 19:59, wrote:
>>
>>> I've always had gas heat and a gas water heater here. About 10 years ago
>>> I converted from an electric flat top stove to a gas range. Love the quick
>>> response and instant temperature adjustment of gas over an electric range.
>>> I really appreciated that gas range March 2020 when the tornado tore through
>>> Nashville. At least fresh vegetables and canned goods could be cooked; that
>>> would have been impossible with an electric stove since there was no electricity
>>> for 5 days.
>>>
>> Sensible.
>> That's why we have a gas cooktop, too. And matches.
>>
>
>
>Are there any workarounds for the electric starters in the gas oven when
>the electricity is out?

In the olden days we used a match. I don't know anything about the
electric starters, it would be a darn shame if you couldn't start with
a match anymore.
Janet US

On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 5:40:47 PM UTC-5, US Janet wrote:
>
> In the olden days we used a match. I don't know anything about the
> electric starters, it would be a darn shame if you couldn't start with
> a match anymore.
> Janet US
>
You can for the stovetop burners and you could if your oven had the
pilot light. But if the oven has the glow bar then you're out of luck
using that part of the stove.

wrote:
> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 8:28:46 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 9:18:23 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>>
>>> My house came with a Gas Meter too, but I had that ****er removed after I got all electric everything and was still being charged a $20 Connection Fee!
>>>
> That's because you are stupid. Gas appliances are cheaper to run than all
> electric. But yet you are Rich! Rich!! Rich!!! so it doesn't matter.
>>>
>> When we converted from propane to natural gas, we changed out our
>> electric water heater and electric stove for gas appliances.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> I've always had gas heat and a gas water heater here. About 10 years ago
> I converted from an electric flat top stove to a gas range. Love the quick
> response and instant temperature adjustment of gas over an electric range.
> I really appreciated that gas range March 2020 when the tornado tore through
> Nashville. At least fresh vegetables and canned goods could be cooked; that
> would have been impossible with an electric stove since there was no electricity
> for 5 days.
>

Yes, but you can't crow about using gas! If you were 100% electric,
and used zero gasoline, you could make 1000 posts each day to crow
about your superior life. And you could post your vstd meals!

Face it ...kuth is superior to yoose!

He even lives in da LOO.

On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 5:47:20 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> Yes, but you can't crow about using gas! If you were 100% electric,
> and used zero gasoline, you could make 1000 posts each day to crow
> about your superior life. And you could post your vstd meals!
>
> Face it ...kuth is superior to yoose!
>
> He even lives in da LOO.
>
He's a legend in his own mind.

;o)

Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:45:07 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> What John did was get rid of a really nice way of cooking. A gas stove.
>> Not that he actually cooks anything other than that VSTD palaver, but
>> still. He ripped out a perfectly good gas stove, had the pipe capped
>> off and the meter turned off. He converted everything to electric.
>> He's talking about being charged for the Gas Meter connection. I don't
>> think he understands he's now being charged for the Electric Meter
>> connection.
>>
>> I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill? Electricity isn't free.
>> And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels.
>
> "You can stop saying that now. Thank you." (Jill)
>

If you sniff her ass hard enough druce, you can suck her colon out
and she will shut up.

But then you'll have to clean all that shit off your face.

You're used to that.

On 3/20/2021 6:36 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 5:26:31 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>> Are there any workarounds for the electric starters in the gas oven when
>> the electricity is out?
>>
> Gas ranges are still available for purchase that have a pilot light. Mine does
> not have one; only a glow bar that takes electricity to open that solenoid
> and spark that gas. The stovetop has electronic ignition for the burners but
> they are easily lit with a match or one of those long-nose barbecue lighters
> when the power is off.
>

Most of the "off grid" models now use batteries for ignition. I would
choose that over a pilot if I had to haul gas to my homestead.

In our last house we put up with electric for about a year and put in
propane. Here we have NG and it is cheap. I cook, grill, dry clothes,
hot water, all for about $15 a month.

On 3/20/2021 6:26 PM, Graham wrote:

>>>
>> Sensible.
>> That's why we have a gas cooktop, too. And matches.
>>
> But gas is only necessary if you live where there could be serious power
> failures.

True, but for many of us it is a preference.

On 3/20/2021 3:36 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 5:26:31 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>> Are there any workarounds for the electric starters in the gas oven when
>> the electricity is out?
>>
> Gas ranges are still available for purchase that have a pilot light. Mine does
> not have one; only a glow bar that takes electricity to open that solenoid
> and spark that gas. The stovetop has electronic ignition for the burners but
> they are easily lit with a match or one of those long-nose barbecue lighters
> when the power is off.
>


Well I am not going to replace my stove. If I were desperate, I would
pull it out from the wall and run an extension cord to my portable
generator. But I can likely get by with just the stove top. Except
with our goofy government these days, I wouldn't be surprised if power
outages become more common and lengthy.

But then I thought there might be something like this out the

https://www.target.com/p/coleman-camp-oven/-/A-77308035

https://www.amazon.com/Omnia-Oven-st.../dp/B000YLJQ5U

https://afreenskitchen.wordpress.com...15/stone-oven/


Interesting, but I think I can just wait it out.

On 18:48 20 Mar 2021, Pamela said:
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:15:09 -0500, BryanGSimmons
> > wrote:
>>On 3/20/2021 8:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 9:18:23 AM UTC-4,
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 7:35:39 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
>>>> wrote: ...
>>>>> Our house came with GE appliances. We did upgrade models but
>>>>> the model we have is $900. Last one I bought was a KitchenAid
>>>>> for about $1100.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the choice, the KA I found to be a tad easier to load
>>>>> but both do an excellent job of cleaning dishes. You will also
>>>>> note the cycle times are longer on new ones for energy
>>>>> efficiency. Most times I start it either right after breakfast
>>>>> or well after dinner and it does not get emptied til morning.
>>>>> What I have
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/jfx6bpb6
>>>>>
>>>>> What I'd have bought if I had a choice of brands
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/jbwhrh86
>>>> My house came with a Gas Meter too, but I had that ****er
>>>> removed after I got all electric everything and was still being
>>>> charged a $20 Connection Fee!
>>>>
>>>> **** Fossil Fuels! And $20 Connection Fees to use them!
>> >
>>YEAH!!!!! That ****ER Ed bought a dishwasher that uses Fossil
>>Fuels! Mother Gaia HATES you ****ERS who pay Connection Fees so
>>you can run your GAS dishwashers!!
>>>
>>> When we converted from propane to natural gas, we changed out
>>> our electric water heater and electric stove for gas appliances.
>> >
>>Your dishwasher BURNS Natural GAS, whereas John PRODUCES more
>>natural gas than he consumes, and it is SUSTAINABLY MADE from his
>>VSTD beans!!
>
> Let's play Name the Psychotropic Brrryyyyyyyyyan is on tonight.

Neodome, that's the right sentiment but sadly I suspect Bryan is
lacking an effective psychotropic.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:24:56 +0000, Pamela wrote:

> Neodome, that's the right sentiment but sadly I suspect
> Bryan is lacking an effective psychotropic.

Give him a break, Pamela. Bryan has been trying to seriously cut back on
beer recently. Didn't anyone in your circle of friends / family ever ruin
their life with alcohol?

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:20:12 +1100, Pamela wrote:

> his priority appears to more towards self-aggrandizement

So who here is the most humble, Pamela?

On 20/03/2021 22:26, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-03-20 2:54 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 20/03/2021 19:59, wrote:
>>
>>> I've always had gas heat and a gas water heater here.Â* About 10 years
>>> ago
>>> I converted from an electric flat top stove to a gas range.Â* Love the
>>> quick
>>> response and instant temperature adjustment of gas over an electric
>>> range.
>>> I really appreciated that gas range March 2020 when the tornado tore
>>> through
>>> Nashville.Â* At least fresh vegetables and canned goods could be
>>> cooked; that
>>> would have been impossible with an electric stove since there was no
>>> electricity
>>> for 5 days.
>>>
>> Sensible.
>> That's why we have a gas cooktop, too. And matches.
>>
> But gas is only necessary if you live where there could be serious power
> failures.

I do. I also make sure to have a good supply of fuel for the fireplace,
a large kettle, and lots of hot water bottles.

On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 6:26:31 PM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 3/20/2021 1:54 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> > On 20/03/2021 19:59, wrote:
> >
> >> I've always had gas heat and a gas water heater here. About 10 years ago
> >> I converted from an electric flat top stove to a gas range. Love the quick
> >> response and instant temperature adjustment of gas over an electric range.
> >> I really appreciated that gas range March 2020 when the tornado tore through
> >> Nashville. At least fresh vegetables and canned goods could be cooked; that
> >> would have been impossible with an electric stove since there was no electricity
> >> for 5 days.
> >>
> > Sensible.
> > That's why we have a gas cooktop, too. And matches.
> >
> Are there any workarounds for the electric starters in the gas oven when
> the electricity is out?

Isn't there some sort of solenoid to turn on the gas?

I'd use the gas grill. That's what I do all summer when it's too hot
to run the oven. Then again, I don't bake cakes.

Cindy Hamilton

On 01:57 21 Mar 2021, Mike Duffy said:

> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:24:56 +0000, Pamela wrote:
>>
>> Neodome, that's the right sentiment but sadly I suspect Bryan is
>> lacking an effective psychotropic.
>
> Give him a break, Pamela. Bryan has been trying to seriously cut
> back on beer recently. Didn't anyone in your circle of friends /
> family ever ruin their life with alcohol?

Hello Mike.

I'm not at all aware Bryan is an alcoholic but it explains things. Are
you saying the beer you mention goes towards his bizarre outbursts?

Normal people here should not have to be put up with behaviours caused
by drug or alcohol abuse.

On 3/20/2021 3:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/20/2021 3:05 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:16:40 -0500, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/19/2021 6:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:01:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/19/2021 11:37 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 09:34:23 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Turn on the dishwasher and it just goes "Hmmmmmmm....".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmmmm, I think it's ****ed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets all wish it a Happy Birthday, and a Happy Death Day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> General Electric GSD500G
>>>>>>> Born March 19, 1988
>>>>>>> Died March 19, 2021 (Age 39)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only $275 to replace the pump and motor! What a steal! That's only
>>>>>> $6 more than the original price of the dishwasher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.partselect.com/PS260801-...d-Pump-Kit.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, but what's the cost of a new dishwasher?
>>>>
>>>> $2,300. How much do you want to donate?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/thermad...teel/6266046.p
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You can get a Miele for $1K. It'd most likely outlive you.
>>
>> That dishwasher was just the most expensive one I could find. I'm
>> not that stupid.
>>
>> -sw
>>
> Apparently Gary thought you were. I saw him mention it in... was it the
> tri-tip reuben thread or elsewhere in this one? LOL He pretty much
> called you stupid and thought you were going to by that one and pay that
> price. I got it.
>
> Jill

I took Steve for his word on buying that dishwasher. Why not? People do
buy those and Steve always likes to win. Why not buy the best dishwasher
in the universe like Sheldon. lol

For all you know, he was serious and now is backsliding and calling it a
joke.

jmcquown wrote:
> I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill? Electricity isn't free.
> And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels. He's an amazing hypocrite.

Funny you should mention that. I just got my new electric bill and I
itemized it all. (just curious)

Basic charge per month...just connection fees and taxes was $20. You pay
that each month regardless of how much power you use.

Then is the actual charge for electricity used.
My bill was for $30.09.

So, my actual fee for electricity used was only about $10 last month.
It's nuclear generated.

For $10 a month or a bit mo
- refridgerator running 24/7
- tv on most of the day
- desktop computer on 24/7
- answering machine on 24/7
- small fan running 24/7
- Kitchen and bedroom lights 24/7

Those are the constant uses. Add the occasional lights that go on and
off, microwave, furnace fan when heat is on, laptop computers on, etc etc.

Bottom line - no complaints about my electic bills.

On 3/21/2021 4:09 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 20/03/2021 22:26, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-03-20 2:54 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 20/03/2021 19:59, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've always had gas heat and a gas water heater here. About 10
>>>> years ago
>>>> I converted from an electric flat top stove to a gas range. Love
>>>> the quick
>>>> response and instant temperature adjustment of gas over an electric
>>>> range.
>>>> I really appreciated that gas range March 2020 when the tornado tore
>>>> through
>>>> Nashville. At least fresh vegetables and canned goods could be
>>>> cooked; that
>>>> would have been impossible with an electric stove since there was no
>>>> electricity
>>>> for 5 days.
>>>>
>>> Sensible.
>>> That's why we have a gas cooktop, too. And matches.
>>>
>> But gas is only necessary if you live where there could be serious
>> power failures.
>
> I do. I also make sure to have a good supply of fuel for the fireplace,
> a large kettle, and lots of hot water bottles.

Lots of hot water bottles?

On 3/21/2021 7:03 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 3/20/2021 3:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/20/2021 3:05 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:16:40 -0500, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/19/2021 6:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:01:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/19/2021 11:37 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 09:34:23 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Turn on the dishwasher and it just goes "Hmmmmmmm....".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmmmm, I think it's ****ed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lets all wish it a Happy Birthday, and a Happy Death Day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> General Electric GSD500G
>>>>>>>> Born March 19, 1988
>>>>>>>> Died March 19, 2021 (Age 39)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only $275 to replace the pump and motor! What a steal! That's only
>>>>>>> $6 more than the original price of the dishwasher.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.partselect.com/PS260801-...d-Pump-Kit.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, but what's the cost of a new dishwasher?
>>>>>
>>>>> $2,300. How much do you want to donate?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/thermad...teel/6266046.p
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You can get a Miele for $1K. It'd most likely outlive you.
>>>
>>> That dishwasher was just the most expensive one I could find. I'm
>>> not that stupid.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>> Apparently Gary thought you were. I saw him mention it in... was it the
>> tri-tip reuben thread or elsewhere in this one? LOL He pretty much
>> called you stupid and thought you were going to by that one and pay that
>> price. I got it.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I took Steve for his word on buying that dishwasher. Why not? People do
> buy those and Steve always likes to win. Why not buy the best dishwasher
> in the universe like Sheldon. lol
>
> For all you know, he was serious and now is backsliding and calling it a
> joke.
>
>


I took it as quite clearly a joke by Steve. The cost equivalent as
measured in Reuben sandwiches would be astronomical, so no go.

On 3/21/2021 10:11 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 4:09 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 20/03/2021 22:26, Graham wrote:
>>> On 2021-03-20 2:54 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>> On 20/03/2021 19:59, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've always had gas heat and a gas water heater here.Â* About 10
>>>>> years ago
>>>>> I converted from an electric flat top stove to a gas range.Â* Love
>>>>> the quick
>>>>> response and instant temperature adjustment of gas over an electric
>>>>> range.
>>>>> I really appreciated that gas range March 2020 when the tornado tore
>>>>> through
>>>>> Nashville.Â* At least fresh vegetables and canned goods could be
>>>>> cooked; that
>>>>> would have been impossible with an electric stove since there was no
>>>>> electricity
>>>>> for 5 days.
>>>>>
>>>> Sensible.
>>>> That's why we have a gas cooktop, too. And matches.
>>>>
>>> But gas is only necessary if you live where there could be serious
>>> power failures.
>>
>> I do. I also make sure to have a good supply of fuel for the fireplace,
>> a large kettle, and lots of hot water bottles.
>
> Lots of hot water bottles?
>
Sure, used to warm beds during an extended power outage. She's in
Scotland at the moment. She lives in two different places, Gary. Two
different ways to handle power outages in very different countries and
climates.

Jill

On 3/21/2021 10:03 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 3/20/2021 3:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/20/2021 3:05 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:16:40 -0500, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/19/2021 6:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:01:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/19/2021 11:37 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 09:34:23 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Turn on the dishwasher and it just goes "Hmmmmmmm....".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmmmm, I think it's ****ed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lets all wish it a Happy Birthday, and a Happy Death Day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> General Electric GSD500G
>>>>>>>> Born March 19, 1988
>>>>>>>> Died March 19, 2021 (Age 39)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only $275 to replace the pump and motor!Â* What a steal! That's only
>>>>>>> $6 more than the original price of the dishwasher.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.partselect.com/PS260801-...d-Pump-Kit.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, but what's the cost of a new dishwasher?
>>>>>
>>>>> $2,300.Â* How much do you want to donate?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/thermad...teel/6266046.p
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You can get a Miele for $1K.Â* It'd most likely outlive you.
>>>
>>> That dishwasher was just the most expensive one I could find.Â* I'm
>>> not that stupid.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>> Apparently Gary thought you were.Â* I saw him mention it in... was it the
>> tri-tip reuben thread or elsewhere in this one?Â* LOLÂ* He pretty much
>> called you stupid and thought you were going to by that one and pay that
>> price.Â* I got it.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I took Steve for his word on buying that dishwasher. Why not? People do
> buy those and Steve always likes to win. Why not buy the best dishwasher
> in the universe like Sheldon.Â* lol
>
> For all you know, he was serious and now is backsliding and calling it a
> joke.
>
>
For all I know?! I can usually tell when Steve is joking. The key
phrase in the post after the price and before the link was "How much do
you want to donate?"

Bryan fell for it too. Don't feel too bad.

Jill

On 3/21/2021 10:08 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill?Â* Electricity isn't free.
>> Â*And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels.Â* He's an amazing hypocrite.
>
> Funny you should mention that. I just got my new electric bill and I
> itemized it all. (just curious)
>
> Basic charge per month...just connection fees and taxes was $20. You pay
> that each month regardless of how much power you use.
>
(snippage)

Yet he's crowing about having disconnected the gas line to the stove and
the gas meter and instead went all electric... as if he's somehow not
being charged a connection fee for electricity. It's not beaming into
his house from outer space. There's a meter and they read it.

Jill

On 3/21/2021 8:05 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 10:08 AM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill?Â* Electricity isn't free.
>>> Â*And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels.Â* He's an amazing hypocrite.
>>
>> Funny you should mention that. I just got my new electric bill and I
>> itemized it all. (just curious)
>>
>> Basic charge per month...just connection fees and taxes was $20. You pay
>> that each month regardless of how much power you use.
>>
> (snippage)
>
> Yet he's crowing about having disconnected the gas line to the stove and
> the gas meter and instead went all electric... as if he's somehow not
> being charged a connection fee for electricity. It's not beaming into
> his house from outer space. There's a meter and they read it.
>
> Jill
>


He is paying one connection fee, not two.

Yet, he is still a dope.

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 11:05:51 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 10:08 AM, Gary wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >> I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill? Electricity isn't free.
> >> And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels. He's an amazing hypocrite.
> >
> > Funny you should mention that. I just got my new electric bill and I
> > itemized it all. (just curious)
> >
> > Basic charge per month...just connection fees and taxes was $20. You pay
> > that each month regardless of how much power you use.
> >
> (snippage)
>
> Yet he's crowing about having disconnected the gas line to the stove and
> the gas meter and instead went all electric... as if he's somehow not
> being charged a connection fee for electricity. It's not beaming into
> his house from outer space. There's a meter and they read it.
>
> Jill

On the other hand, paying a connection fee for a utility that you don't
use makes no sense. I can't imagine it required removal of the meter,
though. The gas utility should be able to shut off the supply at the
meter and lock the meter. Just as they do when people don't pay
their bill.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:09:58 +0000, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 20/03/2021 22:26, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-03-20 2:54 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 20/03/2021 19:59, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've always had gas heat and a gas water heater here.* About 10 years
>>>> ago
>>>> I converted from an electric flat top stove to a gas range.* Love the
>>>> quick
>>>> response and instant temperature adjustment of gas over an electric
>>>> range.
>>>> I really appreciated that gas range March 2020 when the tornado tore
>>>> through
>>>> Nashville.* At least fresh vegetables and canned goods could be
>>>> cooked; that
>>>> would have been impossible with an electric stove since there was no
>>>> electricity
>>>> for 5 days.
>>>>
>>> Sensible.
>>> That's why we have a gas cooktop, too. And matches.
>>>
>> But gas is only necessary if you live where there could be serious power
>> failures.
>
>I do. I also make sure to have a good supply of fuel for the fireplace,
>a large kettle, and lots of hot water bottles.

When Superstorm Sandy hit, we lost power for a week, and that was a
big surprise. We'd never lost power for more than a few hours or a
day, at most, before.

Our lovebirds had just become parents of three hatchling (not even
decent feathers yet) and the temp in the house dropped quite a bit
each night, as the heat was out, but we did have hot water. Each
evening I'd fill small hot water bottles and screw-top jars and put
them against the insides of the cage. Then I'd wrap the cage in a
thick bath towel overnight to keep in as much heat as possible.

On 3/21/2021 11:24 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 11:05:51 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On 3/21/2021 10:08 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill? Electricity isn't free.
>>>> And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels. He's an amazing hypocrite.
>>>
>>> Funny you should mention that. I just got my new electric bill and I
>>> itemized it all. (just curious)
>>>
>>> Basic charge per month...just connection fees and taxes was $20. You pay
>>> that each month regardless of how much power you use.
>>>
>> (snippage)
>>
>> Yet he's crowing about having disconnected the gas line to the stove and
>> the gas meter and instead went all electric... as if he's somehow not
>> being charged a connection fee for electricity. It's not beaming into
>> his house from outer space. There's a meter and they read it.
>>
>> Jill
>
> On the other hand, paying a connection fee for a utility that you don't
> use makes no sense.

Of course it doesn't make sense. He already had electricity. He seems
to think since they disconnected the gas meter he is not being charged
for the electric meter.

> I can't imagine it required removal of the meter,
> though. The gas utility should be able to shut off the supply at the
> meter and lock the meter. Just as they do when people don't pay
> their bill.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Gas and electric utilities always try to get those meters back when they
have been disconnected. That's so people don't attempt to do something
stupid like try to re-connect it themselves. In his case, he gave up
cooking on a natural gas stove for some misguided notion that has
nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with his belief
electricity is somehow less insulting to "Mother Gaia". He doesn't
cook. He rants and he crows about nothing.

Jill

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 11:43:10 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 11:24 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 11:05:51 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> >> On 3/21/2021 10:08 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>> I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill? Electricity isn't free.
> >>>> And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels. He's an amazing hypocrite.
> >>>
> >>> Funny you should mention that. I just got my new electric bill and I
> >>> itemized it all. (just curious)
> >>>
> >>> Basic charge per month...just connection fees and taxes was $20. You pay
> >>> that each month regardless of how much power you use.
> >>>
> >> (snippage)
> >>
> >> Yet he's crowing about having disconnected the gas line to the stove and
> >> the gas meter and instead went all electric... as if he's somehow not
> >> being charged a connection fee for electricity. It's not beaming into
> >> his house from outer space. There's a meter and they read it.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > On the other hand, paying a connection fee for a utility that you don't
> > use makes no sense.
> Of course it doesn't make sense. He already had electricity. He seems
> to think since they disconnected the gas meter he is not being charged
> for the electric meter.
> > I can't imagine it required removal of the meter,
> > though. The gas utility should be able to shut off the supply at the
> > meter and lock the meter. Just as they do when people don't pay
> > their bill.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Gas and electric utilities always try to get those meters back when they
> have been disconnected. That's so people don't attempt to do something
> stupid like try to re-connect it themselves. In his case, he gave up
> cooking on a natural gas stove for some misguided notion that has
> nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with his belief
> electricity is somehow less insulting to "Mother Gaia". He doesn't
> cook. He rants and he crows about nothing.
>
> Jill

Thanks. I'm blissfully ignorant as to what happens when utilities are
disconnected.

Plus, the meters aren't cheap. They probably don't want some disgruntled
deadbeat damaging the meter.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:09:37 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 3/21/2021 8:05 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/21/2021 10:08 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> I wonder if he ever looks at his electric bill?* Electricity isn't free.
>>>> *And gee, it comes from Fossil Fuels.* He's an amazing hypocrite.
>>>
>>> Funny you should mention that. I just got my new electric bill and I
>>> itemized it all. (just curious)
>>>
>>> Basic charge per month...just connection fees and taxes was $20. You pay
>>> that each month regardless of how much power you use.
>>>
>> (snippage)
>>
>> Yet he's crowing about having disconnected the gas line to the stove and
>> the gas meter and instead went all electric... as if he's somehow not
>> being charged a connection fee for electricity. It's not beaming into
>> his house from outer space. There's a meter and they read it.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
>
>He is paying one connection fee, not two.
>
>Yet, he is still a dope.

Connection fee aside, there's a monthly fee even if you use no
electricity or gas.... as I was told it's the expense of maintaining
the account.
We have two electric meters and get two bills even if we use no
electric. The 2nd meter is from the rental house that we had
demolished but retained the electric service for our two barns and
outdoor lighting. We actually save a small amount because we don't
exceed the maximim on each meter to go into the higher rate. Dividing
our electric use between two accounts reduces our total cost... not a
lot but would have been silly to forego the savings. And since the
electrician was working here anyway we saved by having two meters, if
all on one meter we would have had to increase the service from 100
amps to 200 amps, a lot more labor and the cost of much heavier wire,
the wire run is 325 feet... all buried, we didn't want a couple of
poles. The big savings is in all outdoor lighting is now LED, and
changed most indoor lighting fixtures to LED... lowered our electric
cost by more than half. Too bad for Kootchie that they don't make an
LED Leaf! LOL

On 3/19/2021 5:15 PM, Idiot Failure K00Kthe wrote:

> I

Yes, we know you're a mentally ill ****tard. Quit reminding us.

Tell it to someone who cares, and that's not here, shitstain.
NOBODY GIVES A ****, YOU SHIT-EATING ****TARD!

Cease breathing. There's your fix, asshole.

You need to be permanently disqualified from all future employment,
you vile sick loser.

THIS ISN'T YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGE BOARD, YOU BRAINDEAD ****TARD!

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR CHILDISH GARBAGE, SHIT-FOR_BRAINS!

You're still an unemployable failure and always will be!

You are a waste of air.

Nobody gives a shit about your house.
Nobody gives a shit about your sound system.
Nobody gives a shit about your car.
Nobody gives a shit about your exercise.
Nobody gives a shit about your weather.
Nobody gives a shit about your chronic unemployment.
Nobody gives a shit about your mental illness.
Nobody gives a shit about your feeble attempts at "cooking."
Nobody gives a shit about your pointless pathetic "obsessions."
Nobody gives a shit about your life.

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHUT THE **** UP AND LEAVE!

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:51:16 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 3/21/2021 7:03 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 3/20/2021 3:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/20/2021 3:05 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

>>>> That dishwasher was just the most expensive one I could find. I'm
>>>> not that stupid.
>>>>
>>> Apparently Gary thought you were. I saw him mention it in... was it the
>>> tri-tip reuben thread or elsewhere in this one? LOL He pretty much
>>> called you stupid and thought you were going to by that one and pay that
>>> price. I got it.
>>>
>> I took Steve for his word on buying that dishwasher. Why not? People do
>> buy those and Steve always likes to win. Why not buy the best dishwasher
>> in the universe like Sheldon. lol
>>
>> For all you know, he was serious and now is backsliding and calling it a
>> joke.
>>
>I took it as quite clearly a joke by Steve. The cost equivalent as
>measured in Reuben sandwiches would be astronomical, so no go.

lol

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:02:31 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 01:57 21 Mar 2021, Mike Duffy said:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:24:56 +0000, Pamela wrote:
>>>
>>> Neodome, that's the right sentiment but sadly I suspect Bryan is
>>> lacking an effective psychotropic.
>>
>> Give him a break, Pamela. Bryan has been trying to seriously cut
>> back on beer recently. Didn't anyone in your circle of friends /
>> family ever ruin their life with alcohol?
>
>Hello Mike.
>
>I'm not at all aware Bryan is an alcoholic but it explains things. Are
>you saying the beer you mention goes towards his bizarre outbursts?
>
>Normal people here should not have to be put up with behaviours caused
>by drug or alcohol abuse.

It depends. Some people here could use some.

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:02:31 +0000, Pamela wrote:

> I'm not at all aware Bryan is an alcoholic but it explains things.

I would not call him an alcoholic exactly. I'm not sure if there is a
clinical definition, but I have always used the metric that 'alcoholic'
means that chronic abuse of alcohol has resulted in serious loss, such as
break-up of a relationship, job loss, or injury resulting from a drunken
decision. Bryan has always maintained a stable marriage and career.

What he is probably facing now is long-term bodily damage from almost
daily beer consumption. Likely it is usually less than needed for
inebriation, but it has been continual for decades. I hope he can get it
together and become as healthy as possible.


> Are you saying the beer you mention goes towards his bizarre outbursts?

He mentioned it. And I would not use the word 'bizarre'. What he does is
just trollish posturing & pontification, both fairly common here.


> Normal people here should not have to be put up with
> behaviours caused by drug or alcohol abuse.

I do not think most people here are 'normal'. In fact, everyone is so
different it escapes me somewhat how a normal person is supposed to act.

And society does not put up it when it endangers others. (i.e. impaired
driving)

On 21/03/2021 14:11, Gary wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 4:09 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 20/03/2021 22:26, Graham wrote:

>>> But gas is only necessary if you live where there could be serious
>>> power failures.
>>
>> I do. I also make sure to have a good supply of fuel for the fireplace,
>> a large kettle, and lots of hot water bottles.
>
> Lots of hot water bottles?
>
When the power goes out, so does the pump for the central heating, so I
boil water on the gas hob and fill my hot water bottles to keep me warm
at night under my goose down duvet.
Summer outages are not so bad, but in winter the hot water bottles
really help. The only fireplace is in the living room, and it gets cold
at night.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:02:31 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 01:57 21 Mar 2021, Mike Duffy said:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:24:56 +0000, Pamela wrote:
>>>
>>> Neodome, that's the right sentiment but sadly I suspect Bryan is
>>> lacking an effective psychotropic.
>>
>> Give him a break, Pamela. Bryan has been trying to seriously cut
>> back on beer recently. Didn't anyone in your circle of friends /
>> family ever ruin their life with alcohol?
>
>Hello Mike.
>
>I'm not at all aware Bryan is an alcoholic but it explains things. Are
>you saying the beer you mention goes towards his bizarre outbursts?
>
>Normal people here should not have to be put up with behaviours caused
>by drug or alcohol abuse.

Hahaha, 'normal people'. Drug abuse of ALL types (including
prescription drugs) is endemic throughout all communities and
demographics, you bigot.

Very revealing about you but not surprising given your off-center
stance on 'drugs'. Maybe you should take a good look at yourself

On 20:42 21 Mar 2021, Stu Rawlings said:

> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:02:31 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 01:57 21 Mar 2021, Mike Duffy said:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:24:56 +0000, Pamela wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Neodome, that's the right sentiment but sadly I suspect Bryan
>>>> is lacking an effective psychotropic.
>>>
>>> Give him a break, Pamela. Bryan has been trying to seriously cut
>>> back on beer recently. Didn't anyone in your circle of friends /
>>> family ever ruin their life with alcohol?
>>
>>Hello Mike.
>>
>>I'm not at all aware Bryan is an alcoholic but it explains things.
>>Are you saying the beer you mention goes towards his bizarre
>>outbursts?
>>
>>Normal people here should not have to be put up with behaviours
>>caused by drug or alcohol abuse.
>
> Hahaha, 'normal people'. Drug abuse of ALL types (including
> prescription drugs) is endemic throughout all communities and
> demographics, you bigot.

Neodome, maybe that's true in America (especially with prescription
opiates) but not everywhere.

> Very revealing about you but not surprising given your off-center
> stance on 'drugs'. Maybe you should take a good look at yourself

So I should start taking drugs to get in with the hip crowd and gain
your approval? No thanks.