On 3/3/2021 1:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:00:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:15:25 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>
>>>> At what cost?
>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>
>> Ed's aware of both. (The evidence is a recent post of his on alt.home.repair.)
>>
>> Kuthe seems to think electric vehicles have no externalities and run on fairy dust.
>
> Ed's always talking like a negative Pelosi about RV's. As if fossil
> fuel vehicles aren't a huge problem.
>
Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 1:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:00:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:15:25 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>>
>>>>> At what cost?
>>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>>
>>> Ed's aware of both. (The evidence is a recent post of his on alt.home.repair.)
>>>
>>> Kuthe seems to think electric vehicles have no externalities and run on fairy dust.
>>
>> Ed's always talking like a negative Pelosi about RV's. As if fossil
>> fuel vehicles aren't a huge problem.
>>
>Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.

You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.

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On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 1:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:00:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:15:25 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:42:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/2021 7:07 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>>> Glad I got mine in 2016!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b...ction=Business
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> At what cost?
>>>>>> https://www.radical-guide.com/protect-thacker-pass/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.carbontax.org/blog/2021/...llion-we-need/
>>>>> So there are problems with electronic vehicles. Are you aware of the
>>>>> problems with fossil fuel vehicles?
>>>>
>>>> Ed's aware of both. (The evidence is a recent post of his on alt.home.repair.)
>>>>
>>>> Kuthe seems to think electric vehicles have no externalities and run on fairy dust.
>>>
>>> Ed's always talking like a negative Pelosi about RV's. As if fossil
>>> fuel vehicles aren't a huge problem.
>>>
>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>
> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>

Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>
>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>
>
>Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>
>https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/

I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.

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On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>
>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>
>>
>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>
>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>
> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>


Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:46:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>
>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>
>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>
>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>
>Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
>such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.

It will happen and it is happening. I forgot which big car brand is
completely changing focus to electric.

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On 3/3/2021 2:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:46:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>>
>>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>>
>> Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
>> such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.
>
> It will happen and it is happening. I forgot which big car brand is
> completely changing focus to electric.
>

Don't you think they are watching battery technology research developments?

On 03/03/2021 22:56, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:46:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>>
>>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>>
>> Electric cars and electric storage will only become a real reality when
>> such batteries are developed which are based on cheap and common materials.
>
> It will happen and it is happening. I forgot which big car brand is
> completely changing focus to electric.
>

=====

Most of the car adverts on the tv here are about electric cars!

On 3/3/2021 5:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>
>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>
>>
>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>
>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>
> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>

It sounds terrible and that is why I posted a link you probably ignored.
Sounds like not enough water in a very dry state to process the lithium.

My point is, you don't solve a problem by creating a bigger one.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 19:27:25 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/3/2021 5:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:31:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/2021 3:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:48:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Where did I say that? Now you are making up crap. Just be careful what
>>>>> you replace fossil fuels with. New technology is being developed and
>>>>> perhaps we should slow down before tearing up the environment.
>>>>
>>>> You're always going on against EVs, as if you're change resistant. We
>>>> shouldn't slow down. We're going way too slow.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fine, but do it right. At least they seem to have gotten past the child
>>> labor sources for most of the battery chemicals. Some progress is being
>>> made with recycling the batteries too. What do you think of the mining
>>> in Thacker Pass? That sounds like it could be a disaster for the region.
>>>
>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ch...ric-cars-work/
>>
>> I've never heard of Thacker Pass, but it sounds bad. But even though
>> there are problems to be solved, it's still the only way to go. It's
>> good to mention those problems, but we can't discard the entire idea.
>>
>
>It sounds terrible and that is why I posted a link you probably ignored.
> Sounds like not enough water in a very dry state to process the lithium.
>
>My point is, you don't solve a problem by creating a bigger one.

Solving the very local "Thacker Pass" problem seems a lot more
feasible than solving the problem of worldwide pollution from fossil
fuel vehicles.

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