Taxed and Spent wrote:

> On 2/25/2021 2:35 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 2/23/2021 10:19 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2021-02-23 8:27 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> >>> Over a series of posts, Jill told enough about her inheritance to
> run >>> the numbers. I don't care that she got the house and enough to
> >>> maintain it but she shouldn't have asked her brothers for money
> back >>> to pay the inheritance tax.
> > >
> >> I think you are confused there. She has a legitimate beef about the
> >> income tax that she has to pay on some sort of annuity of
> something that >> is paid out to her and which she shares equally
> with her brothers. Since >> is is paid to her she has to pay the
> income tax on it. She gives them >> each a share of the gross, but
> then she has to pay income tax on the >> that grossÂ* out of her share.
> > >
> > Gary doesn't understand stuff like that. I thought the sole
> > beneficiary on the annuity was my middle brother. (Lord knows he
> > wouldn't have shared it.) When it came to settling the estate, my
> > mother had changed it to me. I chose to split it three ways per
> > the terms of my her Will and got hit with the tax liability. I
> > sure as hell don't ever expect to see them pay me back but I do
> > feel they owed their share of the taxes.
> >
> > It was the way it was written. She should have been told to list
> > three beneficiaries, then it would have been split three ways and
> > each of us would have assumed tax liability. Mom didn't know to do
> > that. I did the fair thing and got ripped off by doing what she
> > wanted.
> >
>
> >
> > Jill
> >
>
> You got ripped off by your own foolish handling of this matter.
> Don't blame your mom.

No, she didn't. Tax laws are odd.

"Bruce" wrote in message news
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 08:03:27 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:16:10 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:29:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 7:14:50 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 19:27:43 -0500, Alex > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> >>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 3:46:32 PM UTC-6,
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>> ...
>>>> >>>> If they got money from the heritance, then yes, they should have
>>>> >>>> paid their
>>>> >>>> part of the inheritance tax.
>>>> >>> Not with a Living Trust established! My Father was not stupid!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On his death, my sister got everything as she is most fairest
>>>> >>> people
>>>> >>> I know. He knows that too!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>> >> "most fairest"? You skipped and English degree.
>>>> > Uhm...
>>>> I should have put "and" in quotes. He misuses that word constantly.
>>>
>>>If I had a nickel for every time my fingers added a 'd' to the word "an",
>>>I could take a nice vacation.
>>>
>>>As far as misusing "and", I assume you're talking about the rule against
>>>starting
>>>a sentence with a coordinate conjunction. If this were formal writing,
>>>I'd
>>>agree with you. But it's not.
>>
>>Alex is acting like a school teacher and making mistakes while doing
>>so. That's what this was about. No need to nerd out about it.
>>
>>====
>>
>> LOL yes he is. Cindy can put him right though)))
>
>Yes. Can you explain in detail exactly in what way he is? It would
>sure help.

This is the fake Bruce, as you can see by the headers: he doesn't post
with Eternal September.

The real Bruce posts with Eternal September

====

Yes, I go that

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:45:20 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/25/2021 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-02-25 5:35 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>
>> Maybe it is time to start passing the cost of the tax onto them. Figure
>> out your taxes based on the whole amount and then with only 1/3 of the
>> annuity. If they complain you can threaten to let the IRS know about
>> their undeclared income.
>>
>It doesn't work that way. Probate was finalized in 2009. Prior to that
>I talked to at least seven agents via the phone at the IRS (in one phone
>call!) about this issue before I filed the Estate taxes. They were all
>very helpful and understood my questions. Each tried to find a way to
>make them file on their share. Unfortunately the tax code isn't written
>that way. It all came down to the beneficiary listed on the annuity. I
>was responsible even if I distributed the money to my siblings. I
>cannot go back and change a settled estate now. The IRS doesn't
>consider it "undeclared income". Done deal. Oh well.
>
>Jill

As I read it, you got the whole house to yourself, not shared with
them so that more than pays their shares of the taxes!

On 2/25/2021 6:00 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>> On 2/25/2021 2:35 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2021 10:19 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2021-02-23 8:27 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Over a series of posts, Jill told enough about her inheritance to
>> run >>> the numbers. I don't care that she got the house and enough to
>>>>> maintain it but she shouldn't have asked her brothers for money
>> back >>> to pay the inheritance tax.
>>>>
>>>> I think you are confused there. She has a legitimate beef about the
>>>> income tax that she has to pay on some sort of annuity of
>> something that >> is paid out to her and which she shares equally
>> with her brothers. Since >> is is paid to her she has to pay the
>> income tax on it. She gives them >> each a share of the gross, but
>> then she has to pay income tax on the >> that grossÂ* out of her share.
>>>>
>>> Gary doesn't understand stuff like that. I thought the sole
>>> beneficiary on the annuity was my middle brother. (Lord knows he
>>> wouldn't have shared it.) When it came to settling the estate, my
>>> mother had changed it to me. I chose to split it three ways per
>>> the terms of my her Will and got hit with the tax liability. I
>>> sure as hell don't ever expect to see them pay me back but I do
>>> feel they owed their share of the taxes.
>>>
>>> It was the way it was written. She should have been told to list
>>> three beneficiaries, then it would have been split three ways and
>>> each of us would have assumed tax liability. Mom didn't know to do
>>> that. I did the fair thing and got ripped off by doing what she
>>> wanted.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>
>> You got ripped off by your own foolish handling of this matter.
>> Don't blame your mom.
>
> No, she didn't. Tax laws are odd.
>

Tax laws are odd, but they are well understood in this instance. She
blew it. She could have even asked on a food group and gotten good and
proper advice.

On 2/25/2021 7:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-02-25 7:32 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/25/2021 7:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>
>>> In that case, do that same calculation to figure out how much you owe
>>> with the annuity and without. Deduct that from the gross of the
>>> annuity and split that equally.
>>>
>>>
>> What are you talking about? I said that was finished in 2009. There
>> is nothing left to calculate or deal with.
>
> Sorry, I thought it was an ongoing thing.
>

Only because Joan keeps bringing it up whenever she gets mad at me.
It's old news though and I won't let her bait me again.

On 2/25/2021 7:37 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
> On 2/25/2021 3:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Oh, and I think it's been a while since I told *you* that you should
> read my book.

Your book sucked.

Jill

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:42:49 -0500, jmcquown wrote:

> Your book sucked.

No, it was *my* failed e-book that sucked.

Nobody here has ever read his.

On 2021-02-26 7:02 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:45:20 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:

>> It doesn't work that way. Probate was finalized in 2009. Prior to that
>> I talked to at least seven agents via the phone at the IRS (in one phone
>> call!) about this issue before I filed the Estate taxes. They were all
>> very helpful and understood my questions. Each tried to find a way to
>> make them file on their share. Unfortunately the tax code isn't written
>> that way. It all came down to the beneficiary listed on the annuity. I
>> was responsible even if I distributed the money to my siblings. I
>> cannot go back and change a settled estate now. The IRS doesn't
>> consider it "undeclared income". Done deal. Oh well.
>>
>> Jill
>
> As I read it, you got the whole house to yourself, not shared with
> them so that more than pays their shares of the taxes!

With all due respects, the value of the house is irrelevant to the value
of the annuity that was paid out to Jill and to be shared with her
brothers. As I understand it, the house went to Jill, and her having
moved back to be sole care-give to her aged parents had a lot to do with
that. Then there was the annuity that was to be divided equally. It is a
completely different asset. It was paid out to her directly. She then
had to pay tax on the entire amount because it was deemed to be income.

Let's use some hypothetical figures to demonstrate. Let's say that it
was $75,000. She split it three ways so they each got $25,000. Jill
got $25,000, but then got stuck paying the income tax on $75,000 out of
her $25,0000 Let's suggest 20% income tax.... $15000. That leaves Jill
with only $10,000 out of that $75K that was to be shared equally.


I don't know how many years Jill spent being the sole care giver for
both parents. That has to be worth something. Consider how much it would
have cost for them to hire a live in PSW. She earned that house.

On 2/26/2021 7:02 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:45:20 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/25/2021 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2021-02-25 5:35 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe it is time to start passing the cost of the tax onto them. Figure
>>> out your taxes based on the whole amount and then with only 1/3 of the
>>> annuity. If they complain you can threaten to let the IRS know about
>>> their undeclared income.
>>>
>> It doesn't work that way. Probate was finalized in 2009. Prior to that
>> I talked to at least seven agents via the phone at the IRS (in one phone
>> call!) about this issue before I filed the Estate taxes. They were all
>> very helpful and understood my questions. Each tried to find a way to
>> make them file on their share. Unfortunately the tax code isn't written
>> that way. It all came down to the beneficiary listed on the annuity. I
>> was responsible even if I distributed the money to my siblings. I
>> cannot go back and change a settled estate now. The IRS doesn't
>> consider it "undeclared income". Done deal. Oh well.
>>
>> Jill
>
> As I read it, you got the whole house to yourself, not shared with
> them so that more than pays their shares of the taxes!
>
You really are obtuse. My mother left the house to me because I'm the
one who picked up and moved in to help her with Dad, who had
Alzheimer's. Neither of my brothers lifted a finger. If she had wanted
them to have a share of the house she would have specified in her Will
that it be sold and the proceeds split. She didn't do that. (Legally I
could have kept all the money from that annuity rather than split it
with them, BTW. I didn't do that, either.)

My greedy middle brother threatened to contest Mom's Will (claiming she
was demented) simply because he thought I should sell the house and give
him more money. Her lawyer informed him under South Carolina law the
house became mine immediately upon her death so even if I chose to sell
it he was not entitled to a dime of that money. Her lawyer further
informed him that if he wanted to waste his time and money hiring a
lawyer and going to court to contest the Will he'd be right there
testifying on Mom's behalf. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Our father died in March, 2008. When we got back from Dad's funeral,
Mom went to lie down. My brothers were walking around the house,
picking out all the things they wanted! I was appalled. I told them to
shut the hell up. I said, "Mom isn't dead." I am 100% sure she could
hear every word they were saying. She met with her attorney and had her
Will drawn up the next month. Get it now?

BTW, they did get their pick of all the furnishings in the house.
Middle bro had long coveted some "antique" carved Chinese "ivory"
statuettes of an Emperor and Empress and an "ivory" ceremonial incense
burner. (I'm pretty darn sure it wasn't ivory; Dad had a way of picking
things up when we lived in SE Asia he thought was valuable and he often
got taken. Dad bought the alleged ivory in 1969 and was told it was 100
years old. Sorry, it didn't have the right patina to be real.) Brother
got the carved teak "elephant chairs" with Thai silk cushions and the
carved teak bar with a marble top that he'd always wanted. He also took
every mirror in the house (except those attached to the walls in the
bathrooms). My oldest brother asked for the master bedroom furniture.
I gladly gave it to him. He also asked for a couple of lovely framed
Chinese embroidered silk scarves with glass beads and the hanging silk
wall screens. Also the Noritake 'Bamboo' pattern china. No problem.

Note: my oldest brother told Scott when we got back to the house after
Mom's funeral he felt I deserved the house. He's also the one who came
down here to pack up all the things they each wanted and drive them in a
rented truck to personally delivere the furnishings, etc. to our
brother. (Again, Scott didn't lift a finger.)

You want I should feel guilty? Think again. Then again, you seem to
think I'm stuck in some sort of old folks home. It might surprise you
to know many of my friends and neighbors are right around my age.

I neglected to tell you, I'm sorry you lost your brother when he was 15.
That was surely tragic. But you cannot empirically state you would
have gotten along with him 40 years later. My middle brother and I were
very close for a long time. We shared a rental house for a number of
years when we were in our 20's (he's only 3 years older than I am).
Things changed later on. That's life. <shrug>

Jill

On 2/26/2021 10:13 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:42:49 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Your book sucked.
>
> No, it was *my* failed e-book that sucked.
>
> Nobody here has ever read his.
>
Actually, I did read his book, years ago. (I haven't read yours because
I don't have children; different genre.) I do wish he'd stop trying to
flog his book.

Jill

On 2/26/2021 7:02 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> As I read it, you got the whole house to yourself, not shared with
> them so that more than pays their shares of the taxes!

That's the way I see it and shame on mom for giving extra to one of her
children rather leave equal to all 3.

On 2/26/2021 9:42 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/25/2021 7:37 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>> On 2/25/2021 3:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Oh, and I think it's been a while since I told *you* that you should
>> read my book.
>
> Your book sucked.
>
> Jill
>
LOL. Bryans book was well written, just boring as hell. I read a few
chapters and had to quit. His "excerpts" here have convinced me not to
try to read further.

I am going to try Mike's a second time when I get some spare time.

On 2/26/2021 12:27 PM, Gary wrote:
> On 2/26/2021 9:42 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/25/2021 7:37 PM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>>> On 2/25/2021 3:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, and I think it's been a while since I told *you* that you should
>>> read my book.
>>
>> Your book sucked.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> LOL.Â* Bryans book was well written, just boring as hell. I read a few
> chapters and had to quit. His "excerpts" here have convinced me not to
> try to read further.
>
Agreed, it held no interest for me.

> I am going to try Mike's a second time when I get some spare time.
>
>
Mike's book is admittedly a children's book. I have no reason to read
one, although I do own a children's "reader" that was used by my father
and his older brother and their older syster before. They all wrote
their names inside as it was handed down.

'Sleepy Time Tales: Story Hour' by Coe and Christie. Published in 1923.
It was deemed a 2nd grade "reader". Fairy Tales, many from the
Brother's Grimm. Nice printed colour plates, hand drawn. When I was a
kid my Dad gave me a copy of another old book, 'The Tales of Fatty Coon'
by Arthur Scott Bailey. Copyright 1915. Nice colour plates/drawings.
'Fatty Coon' was akin to the British "B'rer Rabbit". Always getting
into mischief with his raccoon friends trying to hide from the farmers
while raiding the gardens. He wore a smart little vest and carried a
pocket watch. LOL

I'm quoting from the end of this 'Fatty Coon' book now. "A word to
Grown Ups: To you, parents, guardians, teachers and all other upon whom
devolves the supremely important responsibility of directing the early
years of childhood development, this series of 'Tuck-Me-In Tales' which
scetch such vivid and delightful scenes of the vibrant life of the
meadow and woodland should have tremendous appeal. In this collection
of stories you will find prescicely the sort of healthy, imanaginative
entertainment that is an essentil in stimulating thought-germs in the
child mind. Merely from the standpoint of their desireability for
helping the growing tot to pass an idle half hour, any one of these
volumes would be worth your while. BUT the author had something further
than that in mind. He has, with simplicity and grace, worthy of high
commendation, sought to convey a two-fold lesson throughout the entire
series, the first based upon natural history and the second upon the
elemetary principles of living which should be made clear to every child
at the earliest age of understanding."

It goes on. There are many other little stories in this 'Fatty Coon'
book. At the back of the book is a short 'Tale of Jolly Robin',
Tale of Betsy Butterfly', 'Buster Bumblebee' (he wasn't writing about
canned tuna!) and 'Tale of Freddie Firefly'.

I wonder what going to school and having these books passed down during
the Depression to take to school must have been like.

Jill

On 2021-02-26 12:24 p.m., Gary wrote:
> On 2/26/2021 7:02 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> As I read it, you got the whole house to yourself, not shared with
>> them so that more than pays their shares of the taxes!
>
> That's the way I see it and shame on mom for giving extra to one of her
> children rather leave equal to all 3.
>
That has been explained. Jill gave up her life of freedom to come home
and help her mother to look after her father and the brothers didn't
lift a finger to help.

My idiot oldest brother was upset that my father did not leave his house
to him because he was the eldest son. My other two brothers and I had
not seen the will, but all three of us had assumed that he would have
left everything to our mother.


It's really hard to be completely fair and equitable but my brothers and
I managed to distribute things without any hassles. The only squabbles
I heard were from the wives of my older brothers. The oldest brother's
wife whine that he had not got his share of my father's things. She was
absolutely right. He didn't, and it was his own damned fault. When Mon
was selling the house she said that if we wanted any of Dad's stuff to
come and get it. There were a couple things that I asked her to set
aside for me, but I was headed to Europe in a few days and would be away
for three weeks. She said she was counting on us to clear out the house.

The day after I got home I went down to the house and met up with my
youngest brother who had driven several hours. He called the oldest and
told him to come over and get what he wanted. He called him three times
that day and the guy never showed up. BTW he was the only one of the
four of us who lived in the same city. My next older brother and I
cleared out the rest of the stuff. I made at least 5 trips to the
dump.The one whose wife thought he didn't get his share... he never
lifted a finger to help.

Next older brother's wife was upset when I wanted my mother's old
mattress. I had already had my name in for her kitchen table and chairs
and her bedroom suite that no one else wanted. Then my younger brother
said he would like them because he had just moved back. I yielded
without a problem, but she had an almost new queen size mattress and he
had a king. I wanted the mattress. SiL said that I was greedy and that
I already had more than my share.

She had absolutely now business expressing an opinion, and I disagreed
about me having more than my share. She and her husband got a dining
room suite with 6 chairs and a sideboard and they got Mom's living room
furniture and lamps. I got a well used power LazyBoy. The rest of the
stuff were things that no one wanted. There was a jade statue, about 3/4
of a set of Limoge dinnerware and dozens of Waterford crystal glasses, a
drawer full of beautiful scarves and my grandfather's old desk.

Older brother was the executor. He was not going to bother calling in
the Indian Centre, Salvation Army or Goodwill. He was just going to take
it all to the dump. My argument was that I was entitled to 1/4 of
everything and that meant everything, not just the stuff that he didn't
value. They had no reason to complain about me taking things they were
going to throw out.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:47:14 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>Mike's book is admittedly a children's book. I have no reason to read
>one, although I do own a children's "reader" that was used by my father
>and his older brother and their older syster before. They all wrote
>their names inside as it was handed down.
>
>'Sleepy Time Tales: Story Hour' by Coe and Christie. Published in 1923.
> It was deemed a 2nd grade "reader". Fairy Tales, many from the
>Brother's Grimm. Nice printed colour plates, hand drawn. When I was a
>kid my Dad gave me a copy of another old book, 'The Tales of Fatty Coon'
>by Arthur Scott Bailey. Copyright 1915. Nice colour plates/drawings.
>'Fatty Coon' was akin to the British "B'rer Rabbit". Always getting
>into mischief with his raccoon friends trying to hide from the farmers
>while raiding the gardens. He wore a smart little vest and carried a
>pocket watch. LOL
>
>I'm quoting from the end of this 'Fatty Coon' book now. "A word to
>Grown Ups: To you, parents, guardians, teachers and all other upon whom
>devolves the supremely important responsibility of directing the early
>years of childhood development, this series of 'Tuck-Me-In Tales' which
>scetch such vivid and delightful scenes of the vibrant life of the
>meadow and woodland should have tremendous appeal. In this collection
>of stories you will find prescicely the sort of healthy, imanaginative
>entertainment that is an essentil in stimulating thought-germs in the
>child mind. Merely from the standpoint of their desireability for
>helping the growing tot to pass an idle half hour, any one of these
>volumes would be worth your while. BUT the author had something further
>than that in mind. He has, with simplicity and grace, worthy of high
>commendation, sought to convey a two-fold lesson throughout the entire
>series, the first based upon natural history and the second upon the
>elemetary principles of living which should be made clear to every child
>at the earliest age of understanding."
>
>It goes on. There are many other little stories in this 'Fatty Coon'
>book. At the back of the book is a short 'Tale of Jolly Robin',
>Tale of Betsy Butterfly', 'Buster Bumblebee' (he wasn't writing about
>canned tuna!) and 'Tale of Freddie Firefly'.
>
>I wonder what going to school and having these books passed down during
>the Depression to take to school must have been like.

Anyway, back to hummingbirds.

--
The real Bruce posts with Eternal September

Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:47:14 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Mike's book is admittedly a children's book. I have no reason to read
>> one, although I do own a children's "reader" that was used by my father
>> and his older brother and their older syster before. They all wrote
>> their names inside as it was handed down.
>>
>> 'Sleepy Time Tales: Story Hour' by Coe and Christie. Published in 1923.
>> It was deemed a 2nd grade "reader". Fairy Tales, many from the
>> Brother's Grimm. Nice printed colour plates, hand drawn. When I was a
>> kid my Dad gave me a copy of another old book, 'The Tales of Fatty Coon'
>> by Arthur Scott Bailey. Copyright 1915. Nice colour plates/drawings.
>> 'Fatty Coon' was akin to the British "B'rer Rabbit". Always getting
>> into mischief with his raccoon friends trying to hide from the farmers
>> while raiding the gardens. He wore a smart little vest and carried a
>> pocket watch. LOL
>>
>> I'm quoting from the end of this 'Fatty Coon' book now. "A word to
>> Grown Ups: To you, parents, guardians, teachers and all other upon whom
>> devolves the supremely important responsibility of directing the early
>> years of childhood development, this series of 'Tuck-Me-In Tales' which
>> scetch such vivid and delightful scenes of the vibrant life of the
>> meadow and woodland should have tremendous appeal. In this collection
>> of stories you will find prescicely the sort of healthy, imanaginative
>> entertainment that is an essentil in stimulating thought-germs in the
>> child mind. Merely from the standpoint of their desireability for
>> helping the growing tot to pass an idle half hour, any one of these
>> volumes would be worth your while. BUT the author had something further
>> than that in mind. He has, with simplicity and grace, worthy of high
>> commendation, sought to convey a two-fold lesson throughout the entire
>> series, the first based upon natural history and the second upon the
>> elemetary principles of living which should be made clear to every child
>> at the earliest age of understanding."
>>
>> It goes on. There are many other little stories in this 'Fatty Coon'
>> book. At the back of the book is a short 'Tale of Jolly Robin',
>> Tale of Betsy Butterfly', 'Buster Bumblebee' (he wasn't writing about
>> canned tuna!) and 'Tale of Freddie Firefly'.
>>
>> I wonder what going to school and having these books passed down during
>> the Depression to take to school must have been like.
>
> Anyway, back to hummingbirds.
>

<*SNIFF*>

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:25:49 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

> Bruce wrote:

>> Anyway, back to hummingbirds.

> <*SNIFF*>

seriously, Hank. Those things move at like 80 MPH just to go from one
flower to the next. Do you really think he can get close enough?

I've read also that birds do not fart, so what would be the point?

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:01:45 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/26/2021 7:02 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:45:20 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/25/2021 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2021-02-25 5:35 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is time to start passing the cost of the tax onto them. Figure
>>>> out your taxes based on the whole amount and then with only 1/3 of the
>>>> annuity. If they complain you can threaten to let the IRS know about
>>>> their undeclared income.
>>>>
>>> It doesn't work that way. Probate was finalized in 2009. Prior to that
>>> I talked to at least seven agents via the phone at the IRS (in one phone
>>> call!) about this issue before I filed the Estate taxes. They were all
>>> very helpful and understood my questions. Each tried to find a way to
>>> make them file on their share. Unfortunately the tax code isn't written
>>> that way. It all came down to the beneficiary listed on the annuity. I
>>> was responsible even if I distributed the money to my siblings. I
>>> cannot go back and change a settled estate now. The IRS doesn't
>>> consider it "undeclared income". Done deal. Oh well.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> As I read it, you got the whole house to yourself, not shared with
>> them so that more than pays their shares of the taxes!
>>
>You really are obtuse. My mother left the house to me because I'm the
>one who picked up and moved in to help her with Dad, who had
>Alzheimer's. Neither of my brothers lifted a finger. If she had wanted
>them to have a share of the house she would have specified in her Will
>that it be sold and the proceeds split. She didn't do that. (Legally I
>could have kept all the money from that annuity rather than split it
>with them, BTW. I didn't do that, either.)
>
>My greedy middle brother threatened to contest Mom's Will (claiming she
>was demented) simply because he thought I should sell the house and give
>him more money. Her lawyer informed him under South Carolina law the
>house became mine immediately upon her death so even if I chose to sell
>it he was not entitled to a dime of that money. Her lawyer further
>informed him that if he wanted to waste his time and money hiring a
>lawyer and going to court to contest the Will he'd be right there
>testifying on Mom's behalf. She knew exactly what she was doing.
>
>Our father died in March, 2008. When we got back from Dad's funeral,
>Mom went to lie down. My brothers were walking around the house,
>picking out all the things they wanted! I was appalled. I told them to
>shut the hell up. I said, "Mom isn't dead." I am 100% sure she could
>hear every word they were saying. She met with her attorney and had her
>Will drawn up the next month. Get it now?
>
>BTW, they did get their pick of all the furnishings in the house.
>Middle bro had long coveted some "antique" carved Chinese "ivory"
>statuettes of an Emperor and Empress and an "ivory" ceremonial incense
>burner. (I'm pretty darn sure it wasn't ivory; Dad had a way of picking
>things up when we lived in SE Asia he thought was valuable and he often
>got taken. Dad bought the alleged ivory in 1969 and was told it was 100
>years old. Sorry, it didn't have the right patina to be real.) Brother
>got the carved teak "elephant chairs" with Thai silk cushions and the
>carved teak bar with a marble top that he'd always wanted. He also took
>every mirror in the house (except those attached to the walls in the
>bathrooms). My oldest brother asked for the master bedroom furniture.
>I gladly gave it to him. He also asked for a couple of lovely framed
>Chinese embroidered silk scarves with glass beads and the hanging silk
>wall screens. Also the Noritake 'Bamboo' pattern china. No problem.
>
>Note: my oldest brother told Scott when we got back to the house after
>Mom's funeral he felt I deserved the house. He's also the one who came
>down here to pack up all the things they each wanted and drive them in a
>rented truck to personally delivere the furnishings, etc. to our
>brother. (Again, Scott didn't lift a finger.)
>
>You want I should feel guilty? Think again. Then again, you seem to
>think I'm stuck in some sort of old folks home. It might surprise you
>to know many of my friends and neighbors are right around my age.
>
>I neglected to tell you, I'm sorry you lost your brother when he was 15.
> That was surely tragic. But you cannot empirically state you would
>have gotten along with him 40 years later. My middle brother and I were
>very close for a long time. We shared a rental house for a number of
>years when we were in our 20's (he's only 3 years older than I am).
>Things changed later on. That's life. <shrug>
>
>Jill

Jill, don't feed these people. It's NONE of their business and the
more you explain things, the more they will try to pick it apart.
Ignore them.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 08:23:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 08:03:27 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:16:10 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:29:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 7:14:50 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 19:27:43 -0500, Alex > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> >>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 3:46:32 PM UTC-6,
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> ...
>>>>> >>>> If they got money from the heritance, then yes, they should have
>>>>> >>>> paid their
>>>>> >>>> part of the inheritance tax.
>>>>> >>> Not with a Living Trust established! My Father was not stupid!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On his death, my sister got everything as she is most fairest people
>>>>> >>> I know. He knows that too!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>> >> "most fairest"? You skipped and English degree.
>>>>> > Uhm...
>>>>> I should have put "and" in quotes. He misuses that word constantly.
>>>>
>>>>If I had a nickel for every time my fingers added a 'd' to the word "an",
>>>>I could take a nice vacation.
>>>>
>>>>As far as misusing "and", I assume you're talking about the rule against
>>>>starting
>>>>a sentence with a coordinate conjunction. If this were formal writing, I'd
>>>>agree with you. But it's not.
>>>
>>>Alex is acting like a school teacher and making mistakes while doing
>>>so. That's what this was about. No need to nerd out about it.
>>>
>>>====
>>>
>>> LOL yes he is. Cindy can put him right though)))
>>
>>Yes. Can you explain in detail exactly in what way he is? It would
>>sure help.
>
>This is the fake Bruce, as you can see by the headers: he doesn't post
>with Eternal September.

Nobody cares about headers. LOL.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:10:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message news >
>On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 08:03:27 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:16:10 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:29:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 7:14:50 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 19:27:43 -0500, Alex > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> >>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 3:46:32 PM UTC-6,
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> ...
>>>>> >>>> If they got money from the heritance, then yes, they should have
>>>>> >>>> paid their
>>>>> >>>> part of the inheritance tax.
>>>>> >>> Not with a Living Trust established! My Father was not stupid!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On his death, my sister got everything as she is most fairest
>>>>> >>> people
>>>>> >>> I know. He knows that too!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>> >> "most fairest"? You skipped and English degree.
>>>>> > Uhm...
>>>>> I should have put "and" in quotes. He misuses that word constantly.
>>>>
>>>>If I had a nickel for every time my fingers added a 'd' to the word "an",
>>>>I could take a nice vacation.
>>>>
>>>>As far as misusing "and", I assume you're talking about the rule against
>>>>starting
>>>>a sentence with a coordinate conjunction. If this were formal writing,
>>>>I'd
>>>>agree with you. But it's not.
>>>
>>>Alex is acting like a school teacher and making mistakes while doing
>>>so. That's what this was about. No need to nerd out about it.
>>>
>>>====
>>>
>>> LOL yes he is. Cindy can put him right though)))
>>
>>Yes. Can you explain in detail exactly in what way he is? It would
>>sure help.
>
>This is the fake Bruce, as you can see by the headers: he doesn't post
>with Eternal September.
>
>The real Bruce posts with Eternal September
>
>====
>
> Yes, I go that


Thanks :-)

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 7:33:58 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>
> On 2/25/2021 7:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I thought it was an ongoing thing.
> >
> Only because Joan keeps bringing it up whenever she gets mad at me.
> It's old news though and I won't let her bait me again.
>
Nobody has to 'bait' you. I'll give you a few weeks, 3 or 4 months at most
you'll take a dig at her about her inheritance again when you perceive a
slight or dig.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:10:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message
>news >
>On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 08:03:27 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:16:10 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:29:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 7:14:50 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 19:27:43 -0500, Alex > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> >>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 3:46:32 PM UTC-6,
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> ...
>>>>> >>>> If they got money from the heritance, then yes, they should have
>>>>> >>>> paid their
>>>>> >>>> part of the inheritance tax.
>>>>> >>> Not with a Living Trust established! My Father was not stupid!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On his death, my sister got everything as she is most fairest
>>>>> >>> people
>>>>> >>> I know. He knows that too!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>> >> "most fairest"? You skipped and English degree.
>>>>> > Uhm...
>>>>> I should have put "and" in quotes. He misuses that word constantly.
>>>>
>>>>If I had a nickel for every time my fingers added a 'd' to the word
>>>>"an",
>>>>I could take a nice vacation.
>>>>
>>>>As far as misusing "and", I assume you're talking about the rule against
>>>>starting
>>>>a sentence with a coordinate conjunction. If this were formal writing,
>>>>I'd
>>>>agree with you. But it's not.
>>>
>>>Alex is acting like a school teacher and making mistakes while doing
>>>so. That's what this was about. No need to nerd out about it.
>>>
>>>====
>>>
>>> LOL yes he is. Cindy can put him right though)))
>>
>>Yes. Can you explain in detail exactly in what way he is? It would
>>sure help.
>
>This is the fake Bruce, as you can see by the headers: he doesn't post
>with Eternal September.
>
>The real Bruce posts with Eternal September
>
>====
>
> Yes, I go that


Thanks :-)

====

It is good to be able to check, when I am not sure)

On 16:01 26 Feb 2021, jmcquown said:

> On 2/26/2021 7:02 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:45:20 -0500, jmcquown
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/25/2021 6:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2021-02-25 5:35 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is time to start passing the cost of the tax onto
>>>> them. Figure out your taxes based on the whole amount and then
>>>> with only 1/3 of the annuity. If they complain you can threaten
>>>> to let the IRS know about their undeclared income.
>>>>
>>> It doesn't work that way. Probate was finalized in 2009. Prior
>>> to that I talked to at least seven agents via the phone at the
>>> IRS (in one phone call!) about this issue before I filed the
>>> Estate taxes. They were all very helpful and understood my
>>> questions. Each tried to find a way to make them file on their
>>> share. Unfortunately the tax code isn't written that way. It
>>> all came down to the beneficiary listed on the annuity. I was
>>> responsible even if I distributed the money to my siblings. I
>>> cannot go back and change a settled estate now. The IRS doesn't
>>> consider it "undeclared income". Done deal. Oh well.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> As I read it, you got the whole house to yourself, not shared
>> with them so that more than pays their shares of the taxes!
>>
> You really are obtuse. My mother left the house to me because I'm
> the one who picked up and moved in to help her with Dad, who had
> Alzheimer's. Neither of my brothers lifted a finger. If she had
> wanted them to have a share of the house she would have specified
> in her Will that it be sold and the proceeds split. She didn't do
> that. (Legally I could have kept all the money from that annuity
> rather than split it with them, BTW. I didn't do that, either.)
>
> My greedy middle brother threatened to contest Mom's Will
> (claiming she was demented) simply because he thought I should
> sell the house and give him more money. Her lawyer informed him
> under South Carolina law the house became mine immediately upon
> her death so even if I chose to sell it he was not entitled to a
> dime of that money. Her lawyer further informed him that if he
> wanted to waste his time and money hiring a lawyer and going to
> court to contest the Will he'd be right there testifying on Mom's
> behalf. She knew exactly what she was doing.
>
> Our father died in March, 2008. When we got back from Dad's
> funeral, Mom went to lie down. My brothers were walking around
> the house, picking out all the things they wanted! I was
> appalled. I told them to shut the hell up. I said, "Mom isn't
> dead." I am 100% sure she could hear every word they were saying.
> She met with her attorney and had her Will drawn up the next
> month. Get it now?
>
> BTW, they did get their pick of all the furnishings in the house.
> Middle bro had long coveted some "antique" carved Chinese "ivory"
> statuettes of an Emperor and Empress and an "ivory" ceremonial
> incense burner. (I'm pretty darn sure it wasn't ivory; Dad had a
> way of picking things up when we lived in SE Asia he thought was
> valuable and he often got taken. Dad bought the alleged ivory in
> 1969 and was told it was 100 years old. Sorry, it didn't have the
> right patina to be real.) Brother got the carved teak "elephant
> chairs" with Thai silk cushions and the carved teak bar with a
> marble top that he'd always wanted. He also took every mirror in
> the house (except those attached to the walls in the bathrooms).
> My oldest brother asked for the master bedroom furniture. I gladly
> gave it to him. He also asked for a couple of lovely framed
> Chinese embroidered silk scarves with glass beads and the hanging
> silk wall screens. Also the Noritake 'Bamboo' pattern china. No
> problem.
>
> Note: my oldest brother told Scott when we got back to the house
> after Mom's funeral he felt I deserved the house. He's also the
> one who came down here to pack up all the things they each wanted
> and drive them in a rented truck to personally delivere the
> furnishings, etc. to our brother. (Again, Scott didn't lift a
> finger.)
>
> You want I should feel guilty? Think again. Then again, you seem
> to think I'm stuck in some sort of old folks home. It might
> surprise you to know many of my friends and neighbors are right
> around my age.
>
> I neglected to tell you, I'm sorry you lost your brother when he
> was 15. That was surely tragic. But you cannot empirically state
> you would have gotten along with him 40 years later. My middle
> brother and I were very close for a long time. We shared a rental
> house for a number of years when we were in our 20's (he's only 3
> years older than I am). Things changed later on. That's life.
> <shrug>
>
> Jill

Brilliant trolling.

On 13:27 23 Feb 2021, Gary said:

> On 2/22/2021 2:23 PM, wrote:
>>>
>> Yep, but I don't come back a day or so later with the lame "I was
>> joking" or make a nasty post and end it with a smiley. If I make
>> a dig, I stand by my dig and no backpedaling.
>
> (sigh) I've explained many times that I joke or tease often. It's
> often based on fact though. Something that someone says or does.
> I eventually started ending with a smirky face to indicate
> that I'm only teasing for people like you that doesn't get the
> joke.
>
> Days later, I'm often forced to say (Just kidding) for people like
> you that didn't get it. Not backpedaling. Just explaining that it
> was a joke for the humor challenged.
>
>
> ? Gary is ****ed off because Jill inherited a house
>> and she won't divulge the amount of any money she might have
>> received.
>
> Over a series of posts, Jill told enough about her inheritance to
> run the numbers. I don't care that she got the house and enough to
> maintain it but she shouldn't have asked her brothers for money
> back to pay the inheritance tax.
>
> They didn't rip her off by not paying. She was trying to rip them
> off by asking them to pay.

In America, surely the payments for inheritance tax come out of the
estate which includes (and may primarily consist of) the house?

It seems a bit strange to ask a nonbeneficiary to provide funds to
pay taxes on the estate.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:32:21 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 13:27 23 Feb 2021, Gary said:
>
>> On 2/22/2021 2:23 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>> Yep, but I don't come back a day or so later with the lame "I was
>>> joking" or make a nasty post and end it with a smiley. If I make
>>> a dig, I stand by my dig and no backpedaling.
>>
>> (sigh) I've explained many times that I joke or tease often. It's
>> often based on fact though. Something that someone says or does.
>> I eventually started ending with a smirky face to indicate
>> that I'm only teasing for people like you that doesn't get the
>> joke.
>>
>> Days later, I'm often forced to say (Just kidding) for people like
>> you that didn't get it. Not backpedaling. Just explaining that it
>> was a joke for the humor challenged.
>>
>>
>> ? Gary is ****ed off because Jill inherited a house
>>> and she won't divulge the amount of any money she might have
>>> received.
>>
>> Over a series of posts, Jill told enough about her inheritance to
>> run the numbers. I don't care that she got the house and enough to
>> maintain it but she shouldn't have asked her brothers for money
>> back to pay the inheritance tax.
>>
>> They didn't rip her off by not paying. She was trying to rip them
>> off by asking them to pay.
>
>In America, surely the payments for inheritance tax come out of the
>estate which includes (and may primarily consist of) the house?
>
>It seems a bit strange to ask a nonbeneficiary to provide funds to
>pay taxes on the estate.

To me it seems if Jill got the house outright, that is way more than
her brothers received of a 1/4 of the estate money - so she had to pay
the taxes - she is still way ahead of them. Yes she moved to look
after her parents, how many daughters wouldn't? Sons likely not so
much.

I expect that even if my brother had been alive when my father died,
it would have been me who took her in. I don't look back and feel
virtuous about it, it was what it was, she could not live alone in
Spain and I could not be away for anymore long stretches from David
and our three teenagers. Actually it was a great thing for them to
have an elderly person in the house, taught them a lot of things. In
some ways it is a shame that most old people retire to nursing homes,
it means children do have the multi-generation living.

Back on topic, food, I remember coming home from one trip over to
Spain and the kids saying to me 'Thank god you're back!! We are sick
of toad-in-hole, bangers and mash, bacon and egg and all those things'
:-)

On 2021-02-27 9:10 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:32:21 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>> On 13:27 23 Feb 2021, Gary said:
>>
>>> On 2/22/2021 2:23 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Yep, but I don't come back a day or so later with the lame "I was
>>>> joking" or make a nasty post and end it with a smiley. If I make
>>>> a dig, I stand by my dig and no backpedaling.
>>>
>>> (sigh) I've explained many times that I joke or tease often. It's
>>> often based on fact though. Something that someone says or does.
>>> I eventually started ending with a smirky face to indicate
>>> that I'm only teasing for people like you that doesn't get the
>>> joke.
>>>
>>> Days later, I'm often forced to say (Just kidding) for people like
>>> you that didn't get it. Not backpedaling. Just explaining that it
>>> was a joke for the humor challenged.
>>>
>>>
>>> ? Gary is ****ed off because Jill inherited a house
>>>> and she won't divulge the amount of any money she might have
>>>> received.
>>>
>>> Over a series of posts, Jill told enough about her inheritance to
>>> run the numbers. I don't care that she got the house and enough to
>>> maintain it but she shouldn't have asked her brothers for money
>>> back to pay the inheritance tax.
>>>
>>> They didn't rip her off by not paying. She was trying to rip them
>>> off by asking them to pay.
>>
>> In America, surely the payments for inheritance tax come out of the
>> estate which includes (and may primarily consist of) the house?
>>
>> It seems a bit strange to ask a nonbeneficiary to provide funds to
>> pay taxes on the estate.
>
> To me it seems if Jill got the house outright, that is way more than
> her brothers received of a 1/4 of the estate money - so she had to pay
> the taxes - she is still way ahead of them. Yes she moved to look
> after her parents, how many daughters wouldn't? Sons likely not so
> much.


It doesn't really matter if she was way ahead of them. The house had
been left to her. That may or may not be fair compensation for her
having moved back in with her parents and being their care giver. The
money was a separate issue. It was supposed to be shared equally. It
wasn't. The brothers each got a third. Jill got a third minus the tax
paid on the entire amount.


Yesterday I mentioned about my SiL whining that I had more than my share
of my mother's stuff. I admit that I did get a lot of stuff of
considerable value, like a very expensive set of dishes, a lot of very
expensive crystal and beautiful scarves. Nobody else wanted it and my
brother was going to through it out. How ridiculous is it to whine about
someone possibly getting more than you when you didn't want the stuff.
Then there were things like an expensive pan, an ice cream maker and a
VCR, all of which I had bought for her. To be perfectly honest, I
didn't even want those dishes. I just couldn't bear to see them get
thrown out.


>
>t means children do have the multi-generation living.
>
> Back on topic, food, I remember coming home from one trip over to
> Spain and the kids saying to me 'Thank god you're back!! We are sick
> of toad-in-hole, bangers and mash, bacon and egg and all those things'
> :-)

It was the opposite in my house. My son once asked me what shift I was
working the next. He was happy that I was on day shift because that
meant I would be cooking.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:07:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:10:12 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
>>news >>
>>On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 08:03:27 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:16:10 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:29:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 7:14:50 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 19:27:43 -0500, Alex > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>> >>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 3:46:32 PM UTC-6,
>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> ...
>>>>>> >>>> If they got money from the heritance, then yes, they should have
>>>>>> >>>> paid their
>>>>>> >>>> part of the inheritance tax.
>>>>>> >>> Not with a Living Trust established! My Father was not stupid!
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On his death, my sister got everything as she is most fairest
>>>>>> >>> people
>>>>>> >>> I know. He knows that too!
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>> >> "most fairest"? You skipped and English degree.
>>>>>> > Uhm...
>>>>>> I should have put "and" in quotes. He misuses that word constantly.
>>>>>
>>>>>If I had a nickel for every time my fingers added a 'd' to the word
>>>>>"an",
>>>>>I could take a nice vacation.
>>>>>
>>>>>As far as misusing "and", I assume you're talking about the rule against
>>>>>starting
>>>>>a sentence with a coordinate conjunction. If this were formal writing,
>>>>>I'd
>>>>>agree with you. But it's not.
>>>>
>>>>Alex is acting like a school teacher and making mistakes while doing
>>>>so. That's what this was about. No need to nerd out about it.
>>>>
>>>>====
>>>>
>>>> LOL yes he is. Cindy can put him right though)))
>>>
>>>Yes. Can you explain in detail exactly in what way he is? It would
>>>sure help.
>>
>>This is the fake Bruce, as you can see by the headers: he doesn't post
>>with Eternal September.
>>
>>The real Bruce posts with Eternal September
>>
>>====
>>
>> Yes, I go that
>
>
>Thanks :-)
>
>====
>
> It is good to be able to check, when I am not sure)
>

Yes :-)


--

The real Bruce posts with Eternal September

On 2021 Feb 27, , Dave Smith wrote
(in article >):

> It doesn't really matter if she was way ahead of them. The house had
> been left to her. That may or may not be fair compensation for her
> having moved back in with her parents and being their care giver. The
> money was a separate issue. It was supposed to be shared equally. It
> wasn't. The brothers each got a third. Jill got a third minus the tax
> paid on the entire amount.

Not a one of us, except Jill, knows what the total estate was worth. The home
may or may not have been the majority asset of the estate.

On 2021-02-27 10:43 p.m., Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Feb 27, , Dave Smith wrote (in article
> >):
>
>> It doesn't really matter if she was way ahead of them. The house
>> had been left to her. That may or may not be fair compensation for
>> her having moved back in with her parents and being their care
>> giver. The money was a separate issue. It was supposed to be shared
>> equally. It wasn't. The brothers each got a third. Jill got a third
>> minus the tax paid on the entire amount.
>
> Not a one of us, except Jill, knows what the total estate was worth.
> The home may or may not have been the majority asset of the estate.
>
>

That is true, but it remains irrelevant. Her parents left her the house.
They left the money to her and the two brothers to be shared equally.
She split the gross equally and she got stuck with the tax on it, so it
ended up not being an equal split.

On 2/26/2021 1:47 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> Mike's book is admittedly a children's book. I have no reason to read
> one, although I do own a children's "reader" that was used by my father
> and his older brother and their older syster before. They all wrote
> their names inside as it was handed down.

Some children's books can be good. Simple but well written and entertaining.

I read one 15-20 years ago and really enjoyed it. It was recommended by
a friend that grew up in England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swallows_and_Amazons

On 02/03/2021 14:30, Gary wrote:
> On 2/26/2021 1:47 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> Mike's book is admittedly a children's book.Â* I have no reason to read
>> one, although I do own a children's "reader" that was used by my father
>> and his older brother and their older syster before.Â* They all wrote
>> their names inside as it was handed down.
>
> Some children's books can be good. Simple but well written and
> entertaining.
>
> I read one 15-20 years ago and really enjoyed it. It was recommended by
> a friend that grew up in England.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swallows_and_Amazons
>
That's just the first one in the series. They are all good. I read them
as a child, and loved them. When I read them as an adult, I also enjoyed
them, but noticed elements which weren't obvious to the child 'me'.
I read them to my kids at bedtime, and they enjoyed them, too.

On 2021 Mar 2, , S Viemeister wrote
(in article >):

> That's just the first one in the series. They are all good. I read them
> as a child, and loved them. When I read them as an adult, I also enjoyed
> them, but noticed elements which weren't obvious to the child 'me'.
> I read them to my kids at bedtime, and they enjoyed them, too.

My favorite children´s book was "Just So Stories". I´m sure the book
is considered evil now. I also loved "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey"
which celebrate lust, war, magic and oppression. No wonder I am who I am.

On 3/3/2021 2:29 AM, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Mar 2, , S Viemeister wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> That's just the first one in the series. They are all good. I read them
>> as a child, and loved them. When I read them as an adult, I also enjoyed
>> them, but noticed elements which weren't obvious to the child 'me'.
>> I read them to my kids at bedtime, and they enjoyed them, too.
>
> My favorite children´s book was "Just So Stories". I´m sure the book
> is considered evil now. I also loved "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey"
> which celebrate lust, war, magic and oppression. No wonder I am who I am.

offensive is the key word these days. Did you see on the news that now
some places are removing certain "Dr. Seuss" childrens books because
some of the pictures are offensive to blacks.

It's the new "Woke" movement, I believe it's called.
I wonder if could start a Woke thing...being offended to women wearing
red lipstick? lol Hey, fair is fair, right? ;-D

It's like "killfiles" on usenet have morphed into real life.

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 9:29:08 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Mar 2, , S Viemeister wrote
> (in article >):
> > That's just the first one in the series. They are all good. I read them
> > as a child, and loved them. When I read them as an adult, I also enjoyed
> > them, but noticed elements which weren't obvious to the child 'me'.
> > I read them to my kids at bedtime, and they enjoyed them, too.
> My favorite children´s book was "Just So Stories". I´m sure the book
> is considered evil now. I also loved "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey"
> which celebrate lust, war, magic and oppression. No wonder I am who I am.

My favorite kid's book was "Little Black Sambo." The idea that a tiger could turn into butter by running around in circles was a new and exciting concept for me. I was interested in processes even back then. Our Sunday school teacher read that to us. Ha ha, that's so weird. Of course, that book had to go!

On 2021-03-03 1:05 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 9:29:08 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
>> On 2021 Mar 2, , S Viemeister wrote
>> (in article >):
>>> That's just the first one in the series. They are all good. I read them
>>> as a child, and loved them. When I read them as an adult, I also enjoyed
>>> them, but noticed elements which weren't obvious to the child 'me'.
>>> I read them to my kids at bedtime, and they enjoyed them, too.
>> My favorite children´s book was "Just So Stories". I´m sure the book
>> is considered evil now. I also loved "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey"
>> which celebrate lust, war, magic and oppression. No wonder I am who I am.
>
> My favorite kid's book was "Little Black Sambo." The idea that a tiger could turn into butter by running around in circles was a new and exciting concept for me. I was interested in processes even back then. Our Sunday school teacher read that to us. Ha ha, that's so weird. Of course, that book had to go!
>


My favourite book to read to my son was The Church Mice, I used to have
a hard time reading that with breaking our in laughter.

On 2021-03-03 1:05 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 9:29:08 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
>> On 2021 Mar 2, , S Viemeister wrote
>> (in article >):
>>> That's just the first one in the series. They are all good. I read them
>>> as a child, and loved them. When I read them as an adult, I also enjoyed
>>> them, but noticed elements which weren't obvious to the child 'me'.
>>> I read them to my kids at bedtime, and they enjoyed them, too.
>> My favorite children´s book was "Just So Stories". I´m sure the book
>> is considered evil now. I also loved "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey"
>> which celebrate lust, war, magic and oppression. No wonder I am who I am.
>
> My favorite kid's book was "Little Black Sambo." The idea that a tiger could turn into butter by running around in circles was a new and exciting concept for me. I was interested in processes even back then. Our Sunday school teacher read that to us. Ha ha, that's so weird. Of course, that book had to go!
>
My favourite book to read to my son was The Church Mice, I used to have
a hard time reading that without breaking out in laughter.

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:49:03 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-03 1:05 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 9:29:08 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
> >> On 2021 Mar 2, , S Viemeister wrote
> >> (in article >):
> >>> That's just the first one in the series. They are all good. I read them
> >>> as a child, and loved them. When I read them as an adult, I also enjoyed
> >>> them, but noticed elements which weren't obvious to the child 'me'.
> >>> I read them to my kids at bedtime, and they enjoyed them, too.
> >> My favorite children´s book was "Just So Stories". I´m sure the book
> >> is considered evil now. I also loved "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey"
> >> which celebrate lust, war, magic and oppression. No wonder I am who I am.
> >
> > My favorite kid's book was "Little Black Sambo." The idea that a tiger could turn into butter by running around in circles was a new and exciting concept for me. I was interested in processes even back then. Our Sunday school teacher read that to us. Ha ha, that's so weird. Of course, that book had to go!
> >
> My favourite book to read to my son was The Church Mice, I used to have
> a hard time reading that without breaking out in laughter.

I've never heard of that series - not that I'm real hip to that kind of stuff. It sounds oh-so-very-British. OTOH, maybe it's because you said it was a "favourite" book.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:51:29 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:49:03 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-03-03 1:05 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 9:29:08 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
>> >> On 2021 Mar 2, , S Viemeister wrote
>> >> (in article >):
>> >>> That's just the first one in the series. They are all good. I read them
>> >>> as a child, and loved them. When I read them as an adult, I also enjoyed
>> >>> them, but noticed elements which weren't obvious to the child 'me'.
>> >>> I read them to my kids at bedtime, and they enjoyed them, too.
>> >> My favorite children´s book was "Just So Stories". I´m sure the book
>> >> is considered evil now. I also loved "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey"
>> >> which celebrate lust, war, magic and oppression. No wonder I am who I am.
>> >
>> > My favorite kid's book was "Little Black Sambo." The idea that a tiger could turn into butter by running around in circles was a new and exciting concept for me. I was interested in processes even back then. Our Sunday school teacher read that to us. Ha ha, that's so weird. Of course, that book had to go!
>> >
>> My favourite book to read to my son was The Church Mice, I used to have
>> a hard time reading that without breaking out in laughter.
>
>I've never heard of that series - not that I'm real hip to that kind of stuff. It sounds oh-so-very-British. OTOH, maybe it's because you said it was a "favourite" book.

That tells me that the book might be using correct spelling.

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On 2021-03-03 3:51 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:49:03 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

>> My favourite book to read to my son was The Church Mice, I used to have
>> a hard time reading that without breaking out in laughter.
>
> I've never heard of that series - not that I'm real hip to that kind of stuff. It sounds oh-so-very-British. OTOH, maybe it's because you said it was a "favourite" book.
>

It is very much a very British story about a bunch of mice who live in a
small country church. There is a cat in the church but he had heard so
many sermons peace and brotherly love that he did not bother the mice
who inhabited the church.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 16:12:43 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-03-03 3:51 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:49:03 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> My favourite book to read to my son was The Church Mice, I used to have
>>> a hard time reading that without breaking out in laughter.
>>
>> I've never heard of that series - not that I'm real hip to that kind of stuff. It sounds oh-so-very-British. OTOH, maybe it's because you said it was a "favourite" book.
>>
>
>It is very much a very British story about a bunch of mice who live in a
>small country church. There is a cat in the church but he had heard so
>many sermons peace and brotherly love that he did not bother the mice
>who inhabited the church.

Good, teach the children about vegetarianism. Although, I fear that
the cat starved to death.

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