On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:15:59 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 2/10/2021 9:10 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> As a cook, I doubt Sheldon actually "manned" and fired a 5" gun. His job
>>> was to bring the shells up from below to keep the real gunner supplied
>>> with ammo.
>>
>> I thought he was a navy cook, during peacetime? Singlehandedly
>> feeding the entire crew. So he says. The only shells he handled were
>> eggshells.
>
>Popeye was in the Navy during the early 60's. Vietnam war was going on
>then but Navy ships were pretty safe from attack. It was a land war
>mostly with some carrier plane support for bombing. Sheldon was never in
>much danger.

Was no Nam in the early 60s, then it was the Ruskies with the Cubans.
Was lots of danger, the ruskies were bringing lots of misssles to Cuba
and close to the eastern US shore. But what would yoose cowardly
faggots who never served know.

On 2021-02-10 4:45 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:15:59 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>


>> Popeye was in the Navy during the early 60's. Vietnam war was going on
>> then but Navy ships were pretty safe from attack. It was a land war
>> mostly with some carrier plane support for bombing. Sheldon was never in
>> much danger.
>
> Was no Nam in the early 60s, then it was the Ruskies with the Cubans.
> Was lots of danger, the ruskies were bringing lots of misssles to Cuba
> and close to the eastern US shore. But what would yoose cowardly
> faggots who never served know.
>

No one knows valor like a cook in a peace time navy.

On 2/10/2021 4:45 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> Was no Nam in the early 60s, then it was the Ruskies with the Cubans.
> Was lots of danger, the ruskies were bringing lots of misssles to Cuba
> and close to the eastern US shore. But what would yoose cowardly
> faggots who never served know.

Cuban Missle Crisis occured in 1962. I wasn't allowed to join the Navy
then. I was only 9 years old. Us kids were playing army though.

US started sending troops and bombing in Vietnam in 1965 but had been
sending in "advisors" earlier.

I was draft age in 1972 but got a high lottery number. If I had gotten a
draft notice, was going to join the Marines (better trained than the
Army). Turned out that they didn't draft at all that year and they left
Vietnam in 1973. And the commies won after all those years.

In hindsight, we should have stayed out of that civil war in the
beginning and saved many young lives on both sides.

On 11/02/2021 13:15, Gary wrote:
> On 2/10/2021 4:45 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> Was no Nam in the early 60s, then it was the Ruskies with the Cubans.
>> Was lots of danger, the ruskies were bringing lots of misssles to Cuba
>> and close to the eastern US shore.* But what would yoose cowardly
>> faggots who never served know.
>
> Cuban Missle Crisis occured in 1962. I wasn't allowed to join the Navy
> then. I was only 9 years old.* * Us kids were playing army though.
>
> US started sending troops and bombing in Vietnam in 1965 but had been
> sending in "advisors" earlier.
>
In _1964_, when I returned to Scotland, I saw lots of banners and
posters saying things like 'US out of Viet Nam'.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:15:19 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Cuban Missle Crisis occured in 1962. I wasn't allowed to join the Navy
>then. I was only 9 years old. Us kids were playing army though.
>
>US started sending troops and bombing in Vietnam in 1965 but had been
>sending in "advisors" earlier.
>
>I was draft age in 1972 but got a high lottery number. If I had gotten a
>draft notice, was going to join the Marines (better trained than the
>Army). Turned out that they didn't draft at all that year and they left
>Vietnam in 1973. And the commies won after all those years.
>
>In hindsight, we should have stayed out of that civil war in the
>beginning and saved many young lives on both sides.

And you wouldn't have had your ass handed to you by a much smaller
enemy.

--
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"S Viemeister" wrote in message ...

On 11/02/2021 13:15, Gary wrote:
> On 2/10/2021 4:45 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> Was no Nam in the early 60s, then it was the Ruskies with the Cubans.
>> Was lots of danger, the ruskies were bringing lots of misssles to Cuba
>> and close to the eastern US shore. But what would yoose cowardly
>> faggots who never served know.
>
> Cuban Missle Crisis occured in 1962. I wasn't allowed to join the Navy
> then. I was only 9 years old. Us kids were playing army though.
>
> US started sending troops and bombing in Vietnam in 1965 but had been
> sending in "advisors" earlier.
>
In _1964_, when I returned to Scotland, I saw lots of banners and
posters saying things like 'US out of Viet Nam'.

===

Ehh them were't days ... <g>

Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:15:19 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Cuban Missle Crisis occured in 1962. I wasn't allowed to join the Navy
>> then. I was only 9 years old. Us kids were playing army though.
>>
>> US started sending troops and bombing in Vietnam in 1965 but had been
>> sending in "advisors" earlier.
>>
>> I was draft age in 1972 but got a high lottery number. If I had gotten a
>> draft notice, was going to join the Marines (better trained than the
>> Army). Turned out that they didn't draft at all that year and they left
>> Vietnam in 1973. And the commies won after all those years.
>>
>> In hindsight, we should have stayed out of that civil war in the
>> beginning and saved many young lives on both sides.
>
> And you wouldn't have had your ass handed to you by a much smaller
> enemy.
>

Indeed, and his ass wouldn't be sniffed by you this very day!

Gary > writes:

> Daniel wrote:
>> Sheesh. On the bacon even.. I've done that by accident but not ever on
>> purpose. I definitely salt my eggs and pancakes but never sausage or bacon.
>
> I've never salted pancakes on the plate but the batter does require a bit.

I like how the salt blends with the sweetness of jam or syrup. I don't
add much.

--
Daniel
Visit me at: gopher://gcpp.world

Gary > writes:

> On 2/7/2021 12:48 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 2/7/2021 9:19 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 12:13:46 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>> The salt thread has started and continued to be nutso.
>>>>
>>>> Can we do the same with pepper?
>>>
>>> Sure. I'll start.
>>>
>>> White pepper and black pepper are not interchangeable, IMO. I'd
>>> rather have black specks in my white sauce than have it taste like
>>> hot and sour soup.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>>
>> My problem with white pepper in restaurant kitchens is that it is so
>> light it blows away. When seasoning a tray of fish pieces I have to
>> drop the white pepper clear to the side and let it drift to the drop zone.
>>
>> But I also don't mind black specks on the fish.
>
> I've never knowingly had white pepper. I'll have to buy a bit next
> time I go for herbs and spices just to see how it tastes.

I was out of it myself, and because of this thread, I remembered to buy
a new jar.

--
Daniel
Visit me at: gopher://gcpp.world

On 2021 Feb 10, , Gary wrote
(in article >):

> As a cook, I doubt Sheldon actually "manned" and fired a 5" gun. His job
> was to bring the shells up from below to keep the real gunner supplied
> with ammo.
>
> Cshenk might know about the typical "battle station" assignments.

I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter brass
shotgun shells with a cork top.

On 2/12/2021 9:33 PM, Leo wrote:
> I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter brass
> shotgun shells with a cork top.
>

That'll leave a mark.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:33:35 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2021 Feb 10, , Gary wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> As a cook, I doubt Sheldon actually "manned" and fired a 5" gun. His job
>> was to bring the shells up from below to keep the real gunner supplied
>> with ammo.
>>
>> Cshenk might know about the typical "battle station" assignments.
>
>I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter brass
>shotgun shells with a cork top.

Those large projectiles and their powder charges are loaded onto a
rack and are automatically chambered. Those big guns are aimed
automatically, they are locked onto targets via a computer driven
dish, looks like a small radar dish... called "Fire Control".
The gunners mates don't have a whole lot to do other than deciding
when to commense and cease firing. The gunners mates mostly did
maintenence, cleaning and lubricating. Anything above that was the
job of the gunnery officers. Anything over minor repairs were done
while docked.
The magazine is three decks below the water line, next deck is for
racking ammo. I'm sure things have improved immensely since my time
there. In fact the ship I served on DD932 has long ago been retired,
scrapped, and deep sixed... now used by marine life... I think there
have been 2-3 more versions since, the present one is nuclear.

On 2/12/2021 9:36 PM, Stu Rawlings wrote:
> On 2/12/2021 9:33 PM, Leo wrote:
>> I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter
>> brass
>> shotgun shells with a cork top.
>>
>
> That'll leave a mark.
>
You bet. That's some serious firepower there.

I've had 16 gauge shotgun shells for deer hunting. No pellets, just one
big cylinder of lead sticking half in and half out the shell.

"Gary" wrote in message ...

On 2/12/2021 9:36 PM, Stu Rawlings wrote:
> On 2/12/2021 9:33 PM, Leo wrote:
>> I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter
>> brass
>> shotgun shells with a cork top.
>>
>
> That'll leave a mark.
>
You bet. That's some serious firepower there.

I've had 16 gauge shotgun shells for deer hunting. No pellets, just one
big cylinder of lead sticking half in and half out the shell.

===

Shotgun slugs?

On 2/14/2021 8:46 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Gary" wrote in message ...
> On 2/12/2021 9:36 PM, Stu Rawlings wrote:
>> On 2/12/2021 9:33 PM, Leo wrote:
>>> I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter
>>> brass
>>> shotgun shells with a cork top.
>>>
>>
>> That'll leave a mark.
>>
> You bet. That's some serious firepower there.
>
> I've had 16 gauge shotgun shells for deer hunting. No pellets, just one
> big cylinder of lead sticking half in and half out the shell.
>
> ===
>
> Shotgun slugs?
>
yes. Known as "deer slugs" and also "pumpkin ball" loads back then. (1960s)

"Gary" wrote in message ...

On 2/14/2021 8:46 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Gary" wrote in message ...
> On 2/12/2021 9:36 PM, Stu Rawlings wrote:
>> On 2/12/2021 9:33 PM, Leo wrote:
>>> I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter
>>> brass
>>> shotgun shells with a cork top.
>>>
>>
>> That'll leave a mark.
>>
> You bet. That's some serious firepower there.
>
> I've had 16 gauge shotgun shells for deer hunting. No pellets, just one
> big cylinder of lead sticking half in and half out the shell.
>
> ===
>
> Shotgun slugs?
>
yes. Known as "deer slugs" and also "pumpkin ball" loads back then. (1960s)

===

)))

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 09:06:15 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 2/14/2021 8:46 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>> On 2/12/2021 9:36 PM, Stu Rawlings wrote:
>>> On 2/12/2021 9:33 PM, Leo wrote:
>>>> I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter
>>>> brass
>>>> shotgun shells with a cork top.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That'll leave a mark.
>>>
>> You bet. That's some serious firepower there.
>>
>> I've had 16 gauge shotgun shells for deer hunting. No pellets, just one
>> big cylinder of lead sticking half in and half out the shell.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Shotgun slugs?
>>
>yes. Known as "deer slugs" and also "pumpkin ball" loads back then. (1960s)

Those are usually 12 ga.

On 2/14/2021 11:07 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 09:06:15 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> On 2/14/2021 8:46 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>> On 2/12/2021 9:36 PM, Stu Rawlings wrote:
>>>> On 2/12/2021 9:33 PM, Leo wrote:
>>>>> I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter
>>>>> brass
>>>>> shotgun shells with a cork top.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That'll leave a mark.
>>>>
>>> You bet. That's some serious firepower there.
>>>
>>> I've had 16 gauge shotgun shells for deer hunting. No pellets, just one
>>> big cylinder of lead sticking half in and half out the shell.
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Shotgun slugs?
>>>
>> yes. Known as "deer slugs" and also "pumpkin ball" loads back then. (1960s)
>
> Those are usually 12 ga.
>


Everything is usually 12 gauge. So what's your point?

In article >, says...
>
> On 2/14/2021 11:07 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 09:06:15 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/14/2021 8:46 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
> >>> On 2/12/2021 9:36 PM, Stu Rawlings wrote:
> >>>> On 2/12/2021 9:33 PM, Leo wrote:
> >>>>> I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter
> >>>>> brass
> >>>>> shotgun shells with a cork top.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That'll leave a mark.
> >>>>
> >>> You bet. That's some serious firepower there.
> >>>
> >>> I've had 16 gauge shotgun shells for deer hunting. No pellets, just one
> >>> big cylinder of lead sticking half in and half out the shell.
> >>>
> >>> ===
> >>>
> >>> Shotgun slugs?
> >>>
> >> yes. Known as "deer slugs" and also "pumpkin ball" loads back then. (1960s)
> >
> > Those are usually 12 ga.
> >
>
>
> Everything is usually 12 gauge. So what's your point?
>
Exactly, what kind of sissy uses a 16 gauge anyway?
--
Regards
David Crossley

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:18:51 -0500, David Crossley
> wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> On 2/14/2021 11:07 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 09:06:15 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2/14/2021 8:46 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>> >>> On 2/12/2021 9:36 PM, Stu Rawlings wrote:
>> >>>> On 2/12/2021 9:33 PM, Leo wrote:
>> >>>>> I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter
>> >>>>> brass
>> >>>>> shotgun shells with a cork top.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That'll leave a mark.
>> >>>>
>> >>> You bet. That's some serious firepower there.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've had 16 gauge shotgun shells for deer hunting. No pellets, just one
>> >>> big cylinder of lead sticking half in and half out the shell.
>> >>>
>> >>> ===
>> >>>
>> >>> Shotgun slugs?
>> >>>
>> >> yes. Known as "deer slugs" and also "pumpkin ball" loads back then. (1960s)
>> >
>> > Those are usually 12 ga.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Everything is usually 12 gauge. So what's your point?
>>
>Exactly, what kind of sissy uses a 16 gauge anyway?

A 16 GA. IS A SISSY GUAGE... MAY AS WELL USE 20 GA.
The lower the gauge the more powerful. None of yoose use firearms.

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:59:09 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:18:51 -0500, David Crossley
> wrote:
>
>>In article >, says...
>>>
>>> Everything is usually 12 gauge. So what's your point?
>>>
>>Exactly, what kind of sissy uses a 16 gauge anyway?
>
>A 16 GA. IS A SISSY GUAGE... MAY AS WELL USE 20 GA.
>The lower the gauge the more powerful. None of yoose use firearms.

Get over yourself, you were just a cook in the navy.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>>> I've had 16 gauge shotgun shells for deer hunting. No pellets, just one
>>> big cylinder of lead sticking half in and half out the shell.
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Shotgun slugs?
>>>
>> yes. Known as "deer slugs" and also "pumpkin ball" loads back then. (1960s)
>
> Those are usually 12 ga.

The more popular size.

On 2/14/2021 3:59 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:18:51 -0500, David Crossley
> > wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> On 2/14/2021 11:07 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 09:06:15 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/14/2021 8:46 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>>>>> On 2/12/2021 9:36 PM, Stu Rawlings wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/12/2021 9:33 PM, Leo wrote:
>>>>>>>> I used to fill 5" naval gun charges. They looked like 5 inch diameter
>>>>>>>> brass
>>>>>>>> shotgun shells with a cork top.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That'll leave a mark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You bet. That's some serious firepower there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had 16 gauge shotgun shells for deer hunting. No pellets, just one
>>>>>> big cylinder of lead sticking half in and half out the shell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shotgun slugs?
>>>>>>
>>>>> yes. Known as "deer slugs" and also "pumpkin ball" loads back then. (1960s)
>>>>
>>>> Those are usually 12 ga.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Everything is usually 12 gauge. So what's your point?
>>>
>> Exactly, what kind of sissy uses a 16 gauge anyway?
>
> A 16 GA. IS A SISSY GUAGE... MAY AS WELL USE 20 GA.
> The lower the gauge the more powerful. None of yoose use firearms.


Santa gave me a 16 GA for Christmas when I was 13. Who was I to
complain? It was a Mossberg bolt action. Held one in the chamber and two
in the clip.

It's not a SISSY GUAGE either. It would take your head off.

Since you don't hunt, tell us why you bought a 12 guage a few years ago.
Was it because of your nearby prison?

My grandfather had an old 10 guage shotgun. It was hard on the shoulder.

"Bruce" wrote in message news
On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:59:09 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:18:51 -0500, David Crossley
> wrote:
>
>>In article >, says...
>>>
>>> Everything is usually 12 gauge. So what's your point?
>>>
>>Exactly, what kind of sissy uses a 16 gauge anyway?
>
>A 16 GA. IS A SISSY GUAGE... MAY AS WELL USE 20 GA.
>The lower the gauge the more powerful. None of yoose use firearms.

Get over yourself, you were just a cook in the navy.

=======

Lower gauge is rarely more powerful. Power i.e. energy delivered is a
multiple of projectile weight and velocity. With firearms a larger calibre
e.g. .308/7.62 is not as fast as a .223/5.56 but delivered energy is far
greater. If you want a huge difference look at the hitting power of a .50
cal. In Shotguns a 12 gauge slug is massively bigger and with a more
powerful punch than a 20 or even smaller .410, Lower gauge is more powerful
is totally wrong.

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 8:10:58 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message news > On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:59:09 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:18:51 -0500, David Crossley
> > wrote:
> >
> >>In article >, says...
> >>>
> >>> Everything is usually 12 gauge. So what's your point?
> >>>
> >>Exactly, what kind of sissy uses a 16 gauge anyway?
> >
> >A 16 GA. IS A SISSY GUAGE... MAY AS WELL USE 20 GA.
> >The lower the gauge the more powerful. None of yoose use firearms.
>
> Get over yourself, you were just a cook in the navy.
> =======
>
> Lower gauge is rarely more powerful. Power i.e. energy delivered is a
> multiple of projectile weight and velocity. With firearms a larger calibre
> e.g. .308/7.62 is not as fast as a .223/5.56 but delivered energy is far
> greater. If you want a huge difference look at the hitting power of a .50
> cal. In Shotguns a 12 gauge slug is massively bigger and with a more
> powerful punch than a 20 or even smaller .410, Lower gauge is more powerful
> is totally wrong.

What you say is true. OTOH, I think people are thinking in terms of the gauge number instead of bore size i.e., a bore size with a higher number will be less powerful than one with a lower number.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 8:10:58 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message news > On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:59:09 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:18:51 -0500, David Crossley
> > wrote:
> >
> >>In article >,
> >>says...
> >>>
> >>> Everything is usually 12 gauge. So what's your point?
> >>>
> >>Exactly, what kind of sissy uses a 16 gauge anyway?
> >
> >A 16 GA. IS A SISSY GUAGE... MAY AS WELL USE 20 GA.
> >The lower the gauge the more powerful. None of yoose use firearms.
>
> Get over yourself, you were just a cook in the navy.
> =======
>
> Lower gauge is rarely more powerful. Power i.e. energy delivered is a
> multiple of projectile weight and velocity. With firearms a larger calibre
> e.g. .308/7.62 is not as fast as a .223/5.56 but delivered energy is far
> greater. If you want a huge difference look at the hitting power of a .50
> cal. In Shotguns a 12 gauge slug is massively bigger and with a more
> powerful punch than a 20 or even smaller .410, Lower gauge is more
> powerful
> is totally wrong.

What you say is true. OTOH, I think people are thinking in terms of the
gauge number instead of bore size i.e., a bore size with a higher number
will be less powerful than one with a lower number.

======

Ah OK, so not the 'smaller' the Gauge, just the lower the gauge 'number' and
only in that case in relation to shotguns. See over here shotguns and
firearms are classed differently e.g. we have a shotgun certificate for
smoothbore guns or a firearms licence for those with rifling. But then we
also refer to 12/16/20 Bore rather than gauge. Different strokes for
different folks!

)

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 11:26:13 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 8:10:58 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Bruce" wrote in message news > > On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:59:09 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:18:51 -0500, David Crossley
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>In article >,
> > >>says...
> > >>>
> > >>> Everything is usually 12 gauge. So what's your point?
> > >>>
> > >>Exactly, what kind of sissy uses a 16 gauge anyway?
> > >
> > >A 16 GA. IS A SISSY GUAGE... MAY AS WELL USE 20 GA.
> > >The lower the gauge the more powerful. None of yoose use firearms.
> >
> > Get over yourself, you were just a cook in the navy.
> > =======
> >
> > Lower gauge is rarely more powerful. Power i.e. energy delivered is a
> > multiple of projectile weight and velocity. With firearms a larger calibre
> > e.g. .308/7.62 is not as fast as a .223/5.56 but delivered energy is far
> > greater. If you want a huge difference look at the hitting power of a .50
> > cal. In Shotguns a 12 gauge slug is massively bigger and with a more
> > powerful punch than a 20 or even smaller .410, Lower gauge is more
> > powerful
> > is totally wrong.
>
> What you say is true. OTOH, I think people are thinking in terms of the
> gauge number instead of bore size i.e., a bore size with a higher number
> will be less powerful than one with a lower number.
> ======
>
> Ah OK, so not the 'smaller' the Gauge, just the lower the gauge 'number' and
> only in that case in relation to shotguns. See over here shotguns and
> firearms are classed differently e.g. we have a shotgun certificate for
> smoothbore guns or a firearms licence for those with rifling. But then we
> also refer to 12/16/20 Bore rather than gauge. Different strokes for
> different folks!
>
> )

It's certainly confusing! My wife said they were administering the Covid-19 vaccine using big gauge needles. There was some complaining about that so they switch to a higher gauge needle i.e., a thinner one. Wire is also typically sized by gauge. Household wiring will typically run 14 to 8 gauge. The 8 gauge would be for higher current applications like stoves. Small appliances will use thinner wire. I can't say what wire sizes are in your country since you run a different voltage.
The wiring for electric guitar pickups will be around 43 gauge. That's thinner than hair! Beats the heck out of me why wire is sized like that. I'd like to see a 1 gauge wire. What is that - infinity?

On 2021 Feb 15, , Ophelia wrote
(in article >):

> Ah OK, so not the 'smaller' the Gauge, just the lower the gauge 'number' and
> only in that case in relation to shotguns. See over here shotguns and
> firearms are classed differently e.g. we have a shotgun certificate for
> smoothbore guns or a firearms licence for those with rifling. But then we
> also refer to 12/16/20 Bore rather than gauge. Different strokes for
> different folks!

Here´s a ten-gauge or ten-bore shotgun. It shoots three and a half inch
shells and is the biggest shotgun allowed for hunting in the United States.
Ignore the unfinished 4th of July quilt in front of it. Notice how I swung
the barrel forward to make it look scarier. You sure know a lot about
shotguns, Ophelia ;-)

<https://postimg.cc/zbH8TrSz>

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 11:26:13 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 8:10:58 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Bruce" wrote in message news > > On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:59:09 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:18:51 -0500, David Crossley
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>In article >,
> > >>says...
> > >>>
> > >>> Everything is usually 12 gauge. So what's your point?
> > >>>
> > >>Exactly, what kind of sissy uses a 16 gauge anyway?
> > >
> > >A 16 GA. IS A SISSY GUAGE... MAY AS WELL USE 20 GA.
> > >The lower the gauge the more powerful. None of yoose use firearms.
> >
> > Get over yourself, you were just a cook in the navy.
> > =======
> >
> > Lower gauge is rarely more powerful. Power i.e. energy delivered is a
> > multiple of projectile weight and velocity. With firearms a larger
> > calibre
> > e.g. .308/7.62 is not as fast as a .223/5.56 but delivered energy is far
> > greater. If you want a huge difference look at the hitting power of a
> > .50
> > cal. In Shotguns a 12 gauge slug is massively bigger and with a more
> > powerful punch than a 20 or even smaller .410, Lower gauge is more
> > powerful
> > is totally wrong.
>
> What you say is true. OTOH, I think people are thinking in terms of the
> gauge number instead of bore size i.e., a bore size with a higher number
> will be less powerful than one with a lower number.
> ======
>
> Ah OK, so not the 'smaller' the Gauge, just the lower the gauge 'number'
> and
> only in that case in relation to shotguns. See over here shotguns and
> firearms are classed differently e.g. we have a shotgun certificate for
> smoothbore guns or a firearms licence for those with rifling. But then we
> also refer to 12/16/20 Bore rather than gauge. Different strokes for
> different folks!
>
> )

It's certainly confusing! My wife said they were administering the Covid-19
vaccine using big gauge needles. There was some complaining about that so
they switch to a higher gauge needle i.e., a thinner one. Wire is also
typically sized by gauge. Household wiring will typically run 14 to 8 gauge.
The 8 gauge would be for higher current applications like stoves. Small
appliances will use thinner wire. I can't say what wire sizes are in your
country since you run a different voltage.
The wiring for electric guitar pickups will be around 43 gauge. That's
thinner than hair! Beats the heck out of me why wire is sized like that. I'd
like to see a 1 gauge wire. What is that - infinity?

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lol

"Leo" wrote in message
vidual.Net...

On 2021 Feb 15, , Ophelia wrote
(in article >):

> Ah OK, so not the 'smaller' the Gauge, just the lower the gauge 'number'
> and
> only in that case in relation to shotguns. See over here shotguns and
> firearms are classed differently e.g. we have a shotgun certificate for
> smoothbore guns or a firearms licence for those with rifling. But then we
> also refer to 12/16/20 Bore rather than gauge. Different strokes for
> different folks!

Here´s a ten-gauge or ten-bore shotgun. It shoots three and a half inch
shells and is the biggest shotgun allowed for hunting in the United States.
Ignore the unfinished 4th of July quilt in front of it. Notice how I swung
the barrel forward to make it look scarier. You sure know a lot about
shotguns, Ophelia ;-)
<https://postimg.cc/zbH8TrSz>


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Yeah that's a biggie)))

On 2/16/2021 2:12 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Leo" wrote in message
> vidual.Net...
>
> On 2021 Feb 15, , Ophelia wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> Ah OK, so not the 'smaller' the Gauge, just the lower the gauge 'number'
>> and
>> only in that case in relation to shotguns. See over here shotguns and
>> firearms are classed differently e.g. we have a shotgun certificate for
>> smoothbore guns or a firearms licence for those with rifling. But then we
>> also refer to 12/16/20 Bore rather than gauge. Different strokes for
>> different folks!
>
> Here´s a ten-gauge or ten-bore shotgun. It shoots three and a half inch
> shells and is the biggest shotgun allowed for hunting in the United States.
> Ignore the unfinished 4th of July quilt in front of it. Notice how I swung
> the barrel forward to make it look scarier. You sure know a lot about
> shotguns, Ophelia ;-)
> <https://postimg.cc/zbH8TrSz>
>
>
> ===
>
> Yeah that's a biggie)))
>
>
>


Rubbish. THIS is a biggie!

https://industrialcartridgesa.com/8-gauge-kiln-system/

Ophelia wrote:
> Lower gauge is rarely more powerful. Power i.e. energy delivered is a
> multiple of projectile weight and velocity. With firearms a larger
> calibre e.g. .308/7.62 is not as fast as a .223/5.56 but delivered
> energy is far greater. If you want a huge difference look at the hitting
> power of a .50 cal. In Shotguns a 12 gauge slug is massively bigger and
> with a more powerful punch than a 20 or even smaller .410,

Well said, Oph. I'll bet I know where you got that info from and it
wasn't Google.

"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...

On 2/16/2021 2:12 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Leo" wrote in message
> vidual.Net...
>
> On 2021 Feb 15, , Ophelia wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> Ah OK, so not the 'smaller' the Gauge, just the lower the gauge 'number'
>> and
>> only in that case in relation to shotguns. See over here shotguns and
>> firearms are classed differently e.g. we have a shotgun certificate for
>> smoothbore guns or a firearms licence for those with rifling. But then we
>> also refer to 12/16/20 Bore rather than gauge. Different strokes for
>> different folks!
>
> Here´s a ten-gauge or ten-bore shotgun. It shoots three and a half inch
> shells and is the biggest shotgun allowed for hunting in the United
> States.
> Ignore the unfinished 4th of July quilt in front of it. Notice how I swung
> the barrel forward to make it look scarier. You sure know a lot about
> shotguns, Ophelia ;-)
> <https://postimg.cc/zbH8TrSz>
>
>
> ===
>
> Yeah that's a biggie)))
>
>
>


Rubbish. THIS is a biggie!

https://industrialcartridgesa.com/8-gauge-kiln-system/

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LOL

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
> Lower gauge is rarely more powerful. Power i.e. energy delivered is a
> multiple of projectile weight and velocity. With firearms a larger
> calibre e.g. .308/7.62 is not as fast as a .223/5.56 but delivered
> energy is far greater. If you want a huge difference look at the hitting
> power of a .50 cal. In Shotguns a 12 gauge slug is massively bigger and
> with a more powerful punch than a 20 or even smaller .410,

Well said, Oph. I'll bet I know where you got that info from and it
wasn't Google.

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You could be right, but I do have guns you know))

On 2021-02-16 1:25 a.m., Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Feb 15, , Ophelia wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> Ah OK, so not the 'smaller' the Gauge, just the lower the gauge 'number' and
>> only in that case in relation to shotguns. See over here shotguns and
>> firearms are classed differently e.g. we have a shotgun certificate for
>> smoothbore guns or a firearms licence for those with rifling. But then we
>> also refer to 12/16/20 Bore rather than gauge. Different strokes for
>> different folks!
>
> Here´s a ten-gauge or ten-bore shotgun. It shoots three and a half inch
> shells and is the biggest shotgun allowed for hunting in the United States.
> Ignore the unfinished 4th of July quilt in front of it. Notice how I swung
> the barrel forward to make it look scarier. You sure know a lot about
> shotguns, Ophelia ;-)
>
> <https://postimg.cc/zbH8TrSz>
>
>
Nice. Among my collection is a Baikil 12 guage side by side, made in
East Germany. I once took it to a turkey shoot at a friends place, and
that would have been about 40 years ago. There was a guy where with a
nice over and under with a ventilated barrel. He was boasting about
paying over $5000 for it, and that he used only his one hand pressed
shells. He said my gun was a piece of crap and I would be lucky to hit
anything with it. He was even less impressed with my ammunition, the
cheap stuff sold under the Canadian Tire name.

I had been trained as a weapons tech in the reserves so knew quite a bit
about guns. My Commie shotgun was well made and, very important for a
shotgun, it fit me perfectly. I figure that with a shotgun all you need
is the right load and the proper lead and that they fire when you pull
the trigger.

I won the glass turkey that day. He came in fifth.

"Ophelia" wrote in message ...



"Gary" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
> Lower gauge is rarely more powerful. Power i.e. energy delivered is a
> multiple of projectile weight and velocity. With firearms a larger
> calibre e.g. .308/7.62 is not as fast as a .223/5.56 but delivered
> energy is far greater. If you want a huge difference look at the hitting
> power of a .50 cal. In Shotguns a 12 gauge slug is massively bigger and
> with a more powerful punch than a 20 or even smaller .410,

Well said, Oph. I'll bet I know where you got that info from and it
wasn't Google.

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You could be right, but I do have guns you know))

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I ought to have added, I have a good teacher as you well know ))