https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/

I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you can
use and he has 5 of them or something.

Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over Pnematics at this
stage of our lives.

On 2020-11-28 4:34 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> https://wwww.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>
> I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you can
> use and he has 5 of them or something.
>
> Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over Pnematics at this
> stage of our lives.
>

My old neighbour had one similar to that. He loaned it to me when I had
that huge branch fall on my house. It was more like tree size. It could
not handle the 18" pieces, but it sure was handy for anything you would
get in a load of unsplit firewood.
Word of caution... use a heavy duty extension cord or you will be
burning out the motor or blowing fuses.

On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 "cshenk" wrote:
>
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>
>I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you can
>use and he has 5 of them or something.
>
>Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over Pnematics at this
>stage of our lives.


We don't burn wood, never have. How do you dream up such trash...
imagining my hard shagbark hickory must make you squirt in your
panties.

We have a nice stand of a few dozen mature shagbark hickory trees.
https://chiefrivernursery.com/shagba...seedlings.html
I've posted pictures before but I don't feel like looking for them...
but if you insist on having a major orgasm I'd be happy to oblige.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-11-28 4:34 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > https://wwww.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> >
> > I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you
> > can use and he has 5 of them or something.
> >
> > Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over Pnematics at this
> > stage of our lives.
> >
>
> My old neighbour had one similar to that. He loaned it to me when I
> had that huge branch fall on my house. It was more like tree size. It
> could not handle the 18" pieces, but it sure was handy for anything
> you would get in a load of unsplit firewood. Word of caution... use
> a heavy duty extension cord or you will be burning out the motor or
> blowing fuses.

Thanks! Our needs are more to the splitting down a bit more. By 18"
do you mean long or wide?

Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 "cshenk" wrote:
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> >
> > I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you
> > can use and he has 5 of them or something.
> >
> > Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over Pnematics at this
> > stage of our lives.
>
>
> We don't burn wood, never have.


Removed your crystal palace rudeness. If it didn't occur to you
Sheldon, there is a reason why you are in so many killfiles.

Sheldon wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 "cshenk" wrote:
> >
> >https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> >
> >I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you can
> >use and he has 5 of them or something.
> >
> >Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over Pnematics at this
> >stage of our lives.
> We don't burn wood, never have. How do you dream up such trash...
> imagining my hard shagbark hickory must make you squirt in your
> panties.
>
> We have a nice stand of a few dozen mature shagbark hickory trees.
> https://chiefrivernursery.com/shagba...seedlings.html
> I've posted pictures before but I don't feel like looking for them...
> but if you insist on having a major orgasm I'd be happy to oblige.


Lol...in my twenty - plus years here, IIRC you've never *once* mentioned yourself "log - splitting", and you've mentioned *many* times your aversion to burning wood...anyone who reads your posts regularly will agree that this is "common knowledge" here...

As for Carol, it's "Liar, liar, PANTIES on fire...!!!" ... her hubby Don's elderly pecker aka WOOD must have withered, hence she is seeking "excitement" with dire fabulations such as the above with her risible mention of you...

<chuckle>

--
Best
Greg

cshenk wrote:

> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 "cshenk" wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> > >
> > > I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you
> > > can use and he has 5 of them or something.
> > >
> > > Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over Pnematics at this
> > > stage of our lives.
> >
> >
> > We don't burn wood, never have.
> Removed your crystal palace rudeness. If it didn't occur to you
> Sheldon, there is a reason why you are in so many killfiles.


Uh, *why* did *you* mention him in the *first* place, you hectoring witch...???

"Will the FORGED Carol PLEASE return, 'she' was ever so much more NICER...and SMARTER, too...!!!"

<snicker>

--
Best
Greg

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:
>
> We have a nice stand of a few dozen mature shagbark hickory trees.
> https://chiefrivernursery.com/shagba...seedlings.html
>

Shagbark hickory bark is great for grilling.

--Bryan

On 2020-11-28 5:33 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2020-11-28 4:34 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>> https://wwww.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>>>
>>> I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you
>>> can use and he has 5 of them or something.
>>>
>>> Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over Pnematics at this
>>> stage of our lives.
>>>
>>
>> My old neighbour had one similar to that. He loaned it to me when I
>> had that huge branch fall on my house. It was more like tree size. It
>> could not handle the 18" pieces, but it sure was handy for anything
>> you would get in a load of unsplit firewood. Word of caution... use
>> a heavy duty extension cord or you will be burning out the motor or
>> blowing fuses.
>
> Thanks! Our needs are more to the splitting down a bit more. By 18"
> do you mean long or wide?
>

18" diameter. That would be about the limit and, of course, depends on
the type of wood. Some wood splits more easily than other wood. With the
big and newer wood you might have to start near the side rather than
going straight down the middle right off the bat.

wrote:

> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> > We have a nice stand of a few dozen mature shagbark hickory trees.
> > https://chiefrivernursery.com/shagba...seedlings.html
> >
> Shagbark hickory bark is great for grilling.


Since "shag" is Britspeak for "****", we should call it "****bark"...

--
Best
Greg

On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:34:09 -0600, cshenk wrote:

> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>
> I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you can
> use and he has 5 of them or something.
>
> Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over at this
> stage of our lives.

I think I'd rather have a sausage stuffer.

Wasn't there 459 reviews and ratings of the product on the Amazon
website?

-sw

On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:27:33 -0500, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> imagining my hard shagbark hickory must make you squirt in your
> panties.

Pigs love hickory wood. Squeal for me Pussy Katz!

-sw

cshenk wrote:
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 "cshenk" wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>>>
>>> I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you
>>> can use and he has 5 of them or something.
>>>
>>> Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over Pnematics at this
>>> stage of our lives.
>>
>>
>> We don't burn wood, never have.
>
>
> Removed your crystal palace rudeness. If it didn't occur to you
> Sheldon, there is a reason why you are in so many killfiles.
>

Dammit! If yoose hurt his feelings, he may quit telling us his
raunchy sex stories.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:26:05 PM UTC-6, GM wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:
> > >
> > > We have a nice stand of a few dozen mature shagbark hickory trees.
> > > https://chiefrivernursery.com/shagba...seedlings.html
> > >
> > Shagbark hickory bark is great for grilling.
> Since "shag" is Britspeak for "****", we should call it "****bark"...

Those ****barks have the best nuts. Seriously. Shelled shagbark nuts are
the Beluga caviar of the nut world. This price with shipping works out to
$77.33/pound.
https://www.ebay.com/i/133590897504
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

--Bryan

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 01:34:48 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:26:05 PM UTC-6, GM wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:
>> > >
>> > > We have a nice stand of a few dozen mature shagbark hickory trees.
>> > > https://chiefrivernursery.com/shagba...seedlings.html
>> > >
>> > Shagbark hickory bark is great for grilling.
>> Since "shag" is Britspeak

You mean English?

On 11/28/2020 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-11-28 5:33 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> On 2020-11-28 4:34 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>> https://wwww.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>>>>
>>>> I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you
>>>> can use and he has 5 of them or something.
>>>>
>>>> Now for real people with smaller needs?Â* I am over Pnematics at this
>>>> stage of our lives.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My old neighbour had one similar to that. He loaned it to me when I
>>> had that huge branch fall on my house. It was more like tree size. It
>>> could not handle the 18" pieces, but it sure was handy for anything
>>> you would get in a load of unsplit firewood.Â* Word of caution... use
>>> a heavy duty extension cord or you will be burning out the motor or
>>> blowing fuses.
>>
>> Thanks!Â* Our needs are more to the splitting down a bit more.Â* By 18"
>> do you mean long or wide?
>>
>
> 18" diameter. That would be about the limit and, of course, depends on
> the type of wood. Some wood splits more easily than other wood. With the
> big and newer wood you might have to start near the side rather than
> going straight down the middle right off the bat.
>

Sounds like you've been there ... IMO that splitter would be fine for
someone who wants a small stockpile of firewood for emergency use or
someone who has a fireplace that they burn for esthetics . If I were
splitting for a main source of heat , I'd want something bigger and gas
powered . As Dave said , use a heavy cord , minimum 12 ga but 10 would
be better . You'll also want to do your back a favor and put that thing
up on a platform of some type . From what I've read and seen on the 'net
, one of the biggest complaints is that these electrics need both hands
to operate . Makes it a bit difficult to balance a big piece on the beam
while splitting it .
Mine's a 12 ton horizontal with a 196CC gas engine . It does pretty
good , but gnarly grain in a big piece will have me cutting the chunks
down with a chainsaw - I've split up to 24" diameter pieces with
straight grain with no problems . I currently have about 4 cords of oak
(red and white) and half a cord of hickory split and stacked , and plan
to cut that much more this winter . I like being warm ... and I'm trying
to get a year ahead , well seasoned wood burns better with more heat and
less creosote .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-11-28 5:33 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > On 2020-11-28 4:34 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > > https://wwww.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> > > >
> > > > I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all
> > > > you can use and he has 5 of them or something.
> > > >
> > > > Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over Pnematics at
> > > > this stage of our lives.
> > > >
> > >
> > > My old neighbour had one similar to that. He loaned it to me when
> > > I had that huge branch fall on my house. It was more like tree
> > > size. It could not handle the 18" pieces, but it sure was handy
> > > for anything you would get in a load of unsplit firewood. Word
> > > of caution... use a heavy duty extension cord or you will be
> > > burning out the motor or blowing fuses.
> >
> > Thanks! Our needs are more to the splitting down a bit more. By
> > 18" do you mean long or wide?
> >
>
> 18" diameter. That would be about the limit and, of course, depends
> on the type of wood. Some wood splits more easily than other wood.
> With the big and newer wood you might have to start near the side
> rather than going straight down the middle right off the bat.

Works for me. Most of ours is 'pre-split' but sometimes we need to
make one a bit smaller.

Don's been cutting down some with the Pneumatic manual but that's
getting harder now that he is 70. So, I did go ahead and get this
unit. Seems the right size and capacity for us and stores 'upright' so
won't take up a huge footprint in our shed(s).

We have 3 sheds BTW. First one was a 6x6 metal unit. It's been a bit
tree damaged (neighbors Pecan) but still works and is dry. The other
was an 8x10 wood unit, nice but once the roding lawn mower, smaller gas
one, and some other stuff was in it, no room for a work place for Don.

We added an 8x12 middle of this month and are happily NOT stuffing it
so far, but preserving a work bench setup (built in). First storage
rack 1/2 built (60"x19.5"x36", not huge but works). Don finished the
sealing today and on 5Dec, paint and such arrives. Had the other
things like painters tape, brushes, rollers already from a local store.

Snag wrote:

> On 11/28/2020 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2020-11-28 5:33 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2020-11-28 4:34 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> > > > >
> > > > > I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are
> > > > > all you can use and he has 5 of them or something.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now for real people with smaller needs?Â* I am over Pnematics
> > > > > at this stage of our lives.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > My old neighbour had one similar to that. He loaned it to me
> > > > when I had that huge branch fall on my house. It was more like
> > > > tree size. It could not handle the 18" pieces, but it sure was
> > > > handy for anything you would get in a load of unsplit
> > > > firewood.Â* Word of caution... use a heavy duty extension cord
> > > > or you will be burning out the motor or blowing fuses.
> > >
> > > Thanks!Â* Our needs are more to the splitting down a bit more.Â* By
> > > 18" do you mean long or wide?
> > >
> >
> > 18" diameter. That would be about the limit and, of course, depends
> > on the type of wood. Some wood splits more easily than other wood.
> > With the big and newer wood you might have to start near the side
> > rather than going straight down the middle right off the bat.
> >
>
> Sounds like you've been there ... IMO that splitter would be fine for
> someone who wants a small stockpile of firewood for emergency use or
> someone who has a fireplace that they burn for esthetics . If I were
> splitting for a main source of heat , I'd want something bigger and
> gas powered.

Not trying to split 18 cords for a winter, Snag! This is more a weekend
augment to the heat (weekdays depend but with working from home still,
hard to say what will happen this year). At roughly 4 logs a minute if
both Don and I are working it, a 1/2 hour probably covers us (plus
some) for a weekend. MOst doesn't need re-splitting at all.

> As Dave said , use a heavy cord , minimum 12 ga but 10
> would be better . You'll also want to do your back a favor and put
> that thing up on a platform of some type . From what I've read and

No really good way to do that here but I'll keep it in mind if I find
something stable and level enough for it.

> seen on the 'net , one of the biggest complaints is that these
> electrics need both hands to operate. Makes it a bit difficult to
> balance a big piece on the beam while splitting it.

Watch the review please. Hands off sort. Log fits between the bars.
10 inch max width of log but we rarely have wider and if we do, we
could do that with the Pneumatic.

> Mine's a 12 ton
> horizontal with a 196CC gas engine . It does pretty good , but gnarly
> grain in a big piece will have me cutting the chunks down with a
> chainsaw - I've split up to 24" diameter pieces with straight grain
> with no problems . I currently have about 4 cords of oak (red and
> white) and half a cord of hickory split and stacked , and plan to cut
> that much more this winter . I like being warm ... and I'm trying to
> get a year ahead , well seasoned wood burns better with more heat and
> less creosote.

Agreed and love your wood pile! That might be 10 years worth for us
here!

I have 6 8' racks and a 16' rack. I gave away a 4' rack to another who
really needed it for a wood stove (he has no other heat).

These are single layer so if doubled (we plan to do that as they empty
and zip-tie them together), that seems 1/2 cord right? So 1.5 cords
(and we always have some leftover that doesn't fit when we get a load
which was why the single 4' rack)

We aren't real specific on 'cords' down here. It's more often sold by
truck size. The 2-ton truck load is what we normally get and we know
what it fills. No one gets antsy about exactly how much rack fillage
there is.

The fellow I use has a decent proption of what I call 'Banker Logs'. I
don't know what another would call them but they are the larger parts,
very useful once it's going really well but alone are too big to burn
correctly without smaller ones around it. I'd say 1 in 10 are that but
it's 2 more or so than desired? Hence other than helping others cut
wood, our needs here will be small.

On 2020-11-29 3:49 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>> 18" diameter. That would be about the limit and, of course, depends
>> on the type of wood. Some wood splits more easily than other wood.
>> With the big and newer wood you might have to start near the side
>> rather than going straight down the middle right off the bat.
>
> Works for me. Most of ours is 'pre-split' but sometimes we need to
> make one a bit smaller.
>
> Don's been cutting down some with the Pneumatic manual but that's
> getting harder now that he is 70. So, I did go ahead and get this
> unit. Seems the right size and capacity for us and stores 'upright' so
> won't take up a huge footprint in our shed(s).
>
> We have 3 sheds BTW. First one was a 6x6 metal unit. It's been a bit
> tree damaged (neighbors Pecan) but still works and is dry. The other
> was an 8x10 wood unit, nice but once the roding lawn mower, smaller gas
> one, and some other stuff was in it, no room for a work place for Don.
>
> We added an 8x12 middle of this month and are happily NOT stuffing it
> so far, but preserving a work bench setup (built in). First storage
> rack 1/2 built (60"x19.5"x36", not huge but works). Don finished the
> sealing today and on 5Dec, paint and such arrives. Had the other
> things like painters tape, brushes, rollers already from a local store.
>
If I had a tractor and bucket, a good gas powered splitter and was not
under weight and activity restrictions I would have ready access to
enough wood to keep me going for years I have two huge maples in my
front yard, but they are on town property One of them was so rotten in
the base that the town is taking it down. The tree service company has
spent about 4 days working on it. They didn't last long the first day
because their cherry picker could not reach high enough and for enough
to do the top branches. This tree is 60-70 feet high and the trunk is
more than 3 feet in diameter.

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 17:13:33 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

..
>>
> If I had a tractor and bucket, a good gas powered splitter and was not
> under weight and activity restrictions I would have ready access to
> enough wood to keep me going for years I have two huge maples in my
> front yard, but they are on town property One of them was so rotten in
> the base that the town is taking it down. The tree service company has
> spent about 4 days working on it. They didn't last long the first day
> because their cherry picker could not reach high enough and for enough
> to do the top branches. This tree is 60-70 feet high and the trunk is
> more than 3 feet in diameter.

Pity I don't live in the area. Despite the rot, I bet I could get quite a
few salad bowls from that trunk.

On 2020-11-29 5:26 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 17:13:33 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> .
>>>
>> If I had a tractor and bucket, a good gas powered splitter and was not
>> under weight and activity restrictions I would have ready access to
>> enough wood to keep me going for years I have two huge maples in my
>> front yard, but they are on town property One of them was so rotten in
>> the base that the town is taking it down. The tree service company has
>> spent about 4 days working on it. They didn't last long the first day
>> because their cherry picker could not reach high enough and for enough
>> to do the top branches. This tree is 60-70 feet high and the trunk is
>> more than 3 feet in diameter.
>
> Pity I don't live in the area. Despite the rot, I bet I could get quite a
> few salad bowls from that trunk.
>

The rot is at the bottom of the trunk. The branches are mostly sound
and wider than a lot of tree trunks. You could be turning bowl well into
eternity.

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:34:09 -0600, cshenk wrote:
>
> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> >
> > I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are all you
> > can use and he has 5 of them or something.
> >
> > Now for real people with smaller needs? I am over at this
> > stage of our lives.
>
> I think I'd rather have a sausage stuffer.
>
> Wasn't there 459 reviews and ratings of the product on the Amazon
> website?
>
> -sw


Grin, I don't have a use for a sausage stuffer!

Yes, about that number of reviews. Most are positive. As always, you
get the one off idiot who complain it didn't work (probably forgot to
plug it in). Enough to see the flaws and make a decision on.

On 11/29/2020 3:53 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Snag wrote:
>
>> On 11/28/2020 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-11-28 5:33 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2020-11-28 4:34 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are
>>>>>> all you can use and he has 5 of them or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now for real people with smaller needs?Â* I am over Pnematics
>>>>>> at this stage of our lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My old neighbour had one similar to that. He loaned it to me
>>>>> when I had that huge branch fall on my house. It was more like
>>>>> tree size. It could not handle the 18" pieces, but it sure was
>>>>> handy for anything you would get in a load of unsplit
>>>>> firewood.Â* Word of caution... use a heavy duty extension cord
>>>>> or you will be burning out the motor or blowing fuses.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!Â* Our needs are more to the splitting down a bit more.Â* By
>>>> 18" do you mean long or wide?
>>>>
>>>
>>> 18" diameter. That would be about the limit and, of course, depends
>>> on the type of wood. Some wood splits more easily than other wood.
>>> With the big and newer wood you might have to start near the side
>>> rather than going straight down the middle right off the bat.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like you've been there ... IMO that splitter would be fine for
>> someone who wants a small stockpile of firewood for emergency use or
>> someone who has a fireplace that they burn for esthetics . If I were
>> splitting for a main source of heat , I'd want something bigger and
>> gas powered.
>
> Not trying to split 18 cords for a winter, Snag! This is more a weekend
> augment to the heat (weekdays depend but with working from home still,
> hard to say what will happen this year). At roughly 4 logs a minute if
> both Don and I are working it, a 1/2 hour probably covers us (plus
> some) for a weekend. MOst doesn't need re-splitting at all.
>
>> As Dave said , use a heavy cord , minimum 12 ga but 10
>> would be better . You'll also want to do your back a favor and put
>> that thing up on a platform of some type . From what I've read and
>
> No really good way to do that here but I'll keep it in mind if I find
> something stable and level enough for it.
>
>> seen on the 'net , one of the biggest complaints is that these
>> electrics need both hands to operate. Makes it a bit difficult to
>> balance a big piece on the beam while splitting it.
>
> Watch the review please. Hands off sort. Log fits between the bars.
> 10 inch max width of log but we rarely have wider and if we do, we
> could do that with the Pneumatic.
>
>> Mine's a 12 ton
>> horizontal with a 196CC gas engine . It does pretty good , but gnarly
>> grain in a big piece will have me cutting the chunks down with a
>> chainsaw - I've split up to 24" diameter pieces with straight grain
>> with no problems . I currently have about 4 cords of oak (red and
>> white) and half a cord of hickory split and stacked , and plan to cut
>> that much more this winter . I like being warm ... and I'm trying to
>> get a year ahead , well seasoned wood burns better with more heat and
>> less creosote.
>
> Agreed and love your wood pile! That might be 10 years worth for us
> here!
>
> I have 6 8' racks and a 16' rack. I gave away a 4' rack to another who
> really needed it for a wood stove (he has no other heat).
>
> These are single layer so if doubled (we plan to do that as they empty
> and zip-tie them together), that seems 1/2 cord right? So 1.5 cords
> (and we always have some leftover that doesn't fit when we get a load
> which was why the single 4' rack)
>
> We aren't real specific on 'cords' down here. It's more often sold by
> truck size. The 2-ton truck load is what we normally get and we know
> what it fills. No one gets antsy about exactly how much rack fillage
> there is.
>
> The fellow I use has a decent proption of what I call 'Banker Logs'. I
> don't know what another would call them but they are the larger parts,
> very useful once it's going really well but alone are too big to burn
> correctly without smaller ones around it. I'd say 1 in 10 are that but
> it's 2 more or so than desired? Hence other than helping others cut
> wood, our needs here will be small.
>

My wood lot for firewood stacks is used steel roofing pieces 10 and
12 feet long . Total area is about 30 x 10/12 feet . I figure 20"
lengths of wood in a stack 10 feet long and 4 1/2 feet high is about 2/3
of a cord , 12 foot stacks are about 3/4 cord . I started this year to
leave a space for circulation between rows , it helps quite a bit to dry
it quicker . What your supplier calls banker logs are what we call
overnighters , I like to put a couple of big pieces in just before I go
to bed . There's usually still a pretty good fire when I get up in the
morning . I split my wood into a range of sizes starting about 2x4 size
because you just don't always need a big fire . Warm (above 50°F) days
call for a fire of smaller pieces . Colder nights (like tonight ,
predicted low is 27°F) call for some bigger wood , and sometimes an
early-morning replenishment .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

On 11/29/2020 5:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I have two huge maples in my
> front yard, but they are on town property One of them was so rotten in
> the base that the town is taking it down. The tree service company has
> spent about 4 days working on it. They didn't last long the first day
> because their cherry picker could not reach high enough and for enough
> to do the top branches. This tree is 60-70 feet high and the trunk is
> more than 3 feet in diameter.

Oh good grief. 4+ days for a tree service company to take down one tree?
What a bunch of hogans. Be thankful the city is paying for that.

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 08:04:31 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 11/29/2020 5:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> I have two huge maples in my
>> front yard, but they are on town property One of them was so rotten in
>> the base that the town is taking it down. The tree service company has
>> spent about 4 days working on it. They didn't last long the first day
>> because their cherry picker could not reach high enough and for enough
>> to do the top branches. This tree is 60-70 feet high and the trunk is
>> more than 3 feet in diameter.
>
>Oh good grief. 4+ days for a tree service company to take down one tree?
>What a bunch of hogans. Be thankful the city is paying for that.

Um, the taxpayers are paying.

On 2020-11-30 8:38 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 08:04:31 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>> Oh good grief. 4+ days for a tree service company to take down one tree?
>> What a bunch of hogans. Be thankful the city is paying for that.
>
> Um, the taxpayers are paying.



Yes. Of course they are. The town is responsible for trees on their
property. It wasn't like I had to argue with them. I called about the
problem. They came and looked at it, and within just a couple weeks they
came and started work on it. It would have been over $10,000 to bring it
down if it were on my property.

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:03:11 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> It would have been over $10,000 [...] on my property.

Easy. As you said,

DO Cost_Item IN [ Height Diameter Infected Rotten Obstructed ]
Cost += Several(Cost_Item) * $K
ENDDO

I paid $2K for one healthy white ash. The city paid me several hundred.
In Quebec, the emerald ash-borer beetle, (Or as Trump calls it, "The
Chinese Beetle"), is spreading way faster than anticipated.

Basically, we only have a few years to cut down the ash trees. Soon, they
will all get the pest and die. So when they would need to be cut down,
they would be even taller and thicker.

Mine was 4 branches growing from one stump. Branch #1 was close to my
house, but #4 was leaning a lot towards my neighbour. All were +100 yr,
+60' height, +1' diameter. #2 or #3 would take down street-light wires.


The tree-cutting department at the city had a form which the arborist
filled in with the exact measurements from the registered contaminated
waste dispostion agency, who get paid to properly document burying of
what everyone can see is uninfected wood, and I got the cheque a few
weeks later.

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 16:08:45 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:03:11 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> It would have been over $10,000 [...] on my property.
>
> Easy. As you said,
>
> DO Cost_Item IN [ Height Diameter Infected Rotten Obstructed ]
> Cost += Several(Cost_Item) * $K
> ENDDO
>
> I paid $2K for one healthy white ash. The city paid me several hundred.
> In Quebec, the emerald ash-borer beetle, (Or as Trump calls it, "The
> Chinese Beetle"), is spreading way faster than anticipated.
>
In 2017, my b-i-l and I went on a cycling holiday along the Canal du Midi
in southern France. We saw the devastation wreaked by a fungus on the Plane
trees that line the banks that is thought to have been introduced from
wooden pallets originating in the USA. They cut down the infected trees and
burn them nearby.
Photo 1 shows what it should look like:
https://postimg.cc/K1n43C46
This is a typical scene where a recent infestation has been dealt with:
https://postimg.cc/y3Z74SZM
This is an extreme and, unfortunately, not a rare case:
https://postimg.cc/Fd2QZsBD

On 2020-11-30 11:08 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:03:11 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> It would have been over $10,000 [...] on my property.
>
> Easy. As you said,
>
> DO Cost_Item IN [ Height Diameter Infected Rotten Obstructed ]
> Cost += Several(Cost_Item) * $K
> ENDDO
>
> I paid $2K for one healthy white ash. The city paid me several hundred.
> In Quebec, the emerald ash-borer beetle, (Or as Trump calls it, "The
> Chinese Beetle"), is spreading way faster than anticipated.

A friend said she paid $11,000 to have a dozen dead ash trees taken down
on their property. These were all basically straight trees with trunks
no more than a foot in diameter. They would have cut them themselves
had they not been near the house or near power lines. Another friend
paid about $1500 to remove the rest of a poplar tree after a big piece
snapped off the top and landed on his fence. I never realized how many
ash trees we had here until the last two years when almost entire
forests died off from the green ash borer. It doesn't seem that long
ago that people were bitching and moaning about the government cutting
down all their local ash trees in order to create an ash borer exclusion
zone. Too little too late around here.

>
> Basically, we only have a few years to cut down the ash trees. Soon, they
> will all get the pest and die. So when they would need to be cut down,
> they would be even taller and thicker.

Dang. They will go the way of the Elm trees. There have been a few
places around here where clusters of elms made a valiant attempt to
return. They get to be 8-10 inches in diameter and 25-30 feet high and
then in a matter of weeks they just disappear. We had one elm three in
the yard. One day I noticed that all the leaves on one of the two main
trunks had suddenly turned brown. Two weeks later it happened to the
other side.


> The tree-cutting department at the city had a form which the arborist
> filled in with the exact measurements from the registered contaminated
> waste dispostion agency, who get paid to properly document burying of
> what everyone can see is uninfected wood, and I got the cheque a few
> weeks later.

No one is paying me anything for this maple. That's okay. I am just
grateful that the town is taking care of it. However, I am going to miss
that magnificent old tree.
>

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:03:11 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-11-30 8:38 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 08:04:31 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>>> Oh good grief. 4+ days for a tree service company to take down one tree?
>>> What a bunch of hogans. Be thankful the city is paying for that.
>>
>> Um, the taxpayers are paying.
>
>
>
>Yes. Of course they are. The town is responsible for trees on their
>property. It wasn't like I had to argue with them. I called about the
>problem. They came and looked at it, and within just a couple weeks they
>came and started work on it. It would have been over $10,000 to bring it
>down if it were on my property.

Not really, where I live there are plenty of people who would take it
down for a couple hundred dollars and the fire wood. In fact just
yesterday my neighbor who does haying, takes care of our tractors, and
stores his haying equipment in our barn took seven huge oak trees down
for an eldery lady (Lillian) who lives across the road from us. He
and his son had them down and taken to his place 1/4 mile down the
road in about five hours. Obviously the job was planned months ago as
he left the round bale moving forks on his giant tractor. If it
wasn't pouring rain today he'd be sawing, splitting, stacking, and
ready for selling... for all I know he already began, his big shed has
a saw mill in it, he sells lumber too... many large trees are worth a
lot more as lumber than firewood. He has steady firewood and lumber
customers... same for hay, he has hay already sold before he bales it.
A lot of hay is for the livestock farmers. I've been learning a lot
about the hay business, there are many kinds, some for bedding and
some for forage. The best forage hay goes to the race tracks and
mounted police.

On 2020-11-30 3:26 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:03:11 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2020-11-30 8:38 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:

>>> Um, the taxpayers are paying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes. Of course they are. The town is responsible for trees on their
>> property. It wasn't like I had to argue with them. I called about the
>> problem. They came and looked at it, and within just a couple weeks they
>> came and started work on it. It would have been over $10,000 to bring it
>> down if it were on my property.
>
> Not really, where I live there are plenty of people who would take it
> down for a couple hundred dollars and the fire wood. In fact just
> yesterday my neighbor who does haying, takes care of our tractors, and
> stores his haying equipment in our barn took seven huge oak trees down
> for an eldery lady (Lillian) who lives across the road from us.

I know people who would take down smaller trees for a small fee and the
the fire wood. This is not a small tree. It is a huge maple. It There
are several branches that are bigger than most trees. The first day
they were here they didn't get very far because their bucket would not
extend far enough for them to be able to cut in in smaller pieces so
they would not take out the power lines. They have been out 4 or five
days now and there is more than 30 feet of the base left, and it is
close to 4 feet across at the base.



>

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:03:11 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2020-11-30 8:38 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 08:04:31 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>> Oh good grief. 4+ days for a tree service company to take down one tree?
>>>> What a bunch of hogans. Be thankful the city is paying for that.
>>>
>>> Um, the taxpayers are paying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes. Of course they are. The town is responsible for trees on their
>> property. It wasn't like I had to argue with them. I called about the
>> problem. They came and looked at it, and within just a couple weeks they
>> came and started work on it. It would have been over $10,000 to bring it
>> down if it were on my property.
>
> Not really, where I live there are plenty of people who would take it
> down for a couple hundred dollars and the fire wood. In fact just
> yesterday my neighbor who does haying, takes care of our tractors, and
> stores his haying equipment in our barn took seven huge oak trees down
> for an eldery lady (Lillian) who lives across the road from us. He
> and his son had them down and taken to his place 1/4 mile down the
> road in about five hours. Obviously the job was planned months ago as
> he left the round bale moving forks on his giant tractor. If it
> wasn't pouring rain today he'd be sawing, splitting, stacking, and
> ready for selling... for all I know he already began, his big shed has
> a saw mill in it, he sells lumber too...

I bet he has other enormous equipment yoose interested in Popeye.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-11-30 3:26 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:03:11 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2020-11-30 8:38 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>>>> Um, the taxpayers are paying.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. Of course they are. The town is responsible for trees on their
>>> property.* It wasn't like I had to argue with them. I called
>>> about the
>>> problem. They came and looked at it, and within just a couple
>>> weeks they
>>> came and started work on it. It would have been over $10,000 to
>>> bring it
>>> down if it were on my property.
>>
>> Not really, where I live there are plenty of people who would
>> take it
>> down for a couple hundred dollars and the fire wood.* In fact just
>> yesterday my neighbor who does haying, takes care of our
>> tractors, and
>> stores his haying equipment in our barn took seven huge oak trees
>> down
>> for an eldery lady (Lillian) who lives across the road from us.
>
> I know people who would take down smaller trees for a small fee and
> the the fire wood. This is not a small tree. It is a huge maple. It
> There are several branches that are bigger than most trees.* The
> first day they were here they didn't get very far because their
> bucket would not extend far enough for them to be able to cut in in
> smaller pieces so they would not take out the power lines.* They
> have been out 4 or five days now and there is more than 30 feet of
> the base left, and it is close to 4 feet across at the base.
>

Shucks, Popeye would have had that damn tree down, and sawed into
lumber in 15 minutes!

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:27:56 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

> Shucks, Popeye would have had that damn tree down,
> and sawed into lumber in 15 minutes!

I'm not sure Hank. In the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH-vCjSk4Hs

it takes 12 seconds, (Time index 03:05 to 03:17),

but the other guy actually cuts down the tree.


And he cut it into firewood, not lumber. I think Dave's tree (his
municipality's) was rotten and huge.


I had a bunch of other trees bending towards a different neighbour taken
down a few years ago (maple & beech & white ash), and the crew asked if
they could take their time and remove 12' logs instead of just cutting
shorter pieces.

They left them on the property but came by later to pick them up for his
hardwood furniture shop.

cshenk wrote:

> Snag wrote:
>
> > On 11/28/2020 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2020-11-28 5:33 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2020-11-28 4:34 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are
> > > > > > all you can use and he has 5 of them or something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now for real people with smaller needs?Â* I am over Pnematics
> > > > > > at this stage of our lives.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My old neighbour had one similar to that. He loaned it to me
> > > > > when I had that huge branch fall on my house. It was more like
> > > > > tree size. It could not handle the 18" pieces, but it sure was
> > > > > handy for anything you would get in a load of unsplit
> > > > > firewood.Â* Word of caution... use a heavy duty extension cord
> > > > > or you will be burning out the motor or blowing fuses.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!Â* Our needs are more to the splitting down a bit more.Â*
> > > > By 18" do you mean long or wide?
> > > >
> > >
> > > 18" diameter. That would be about the limit and, of course,
> > > depends on the type of wood. Some wood splits more easily than
> > > other wood. With the big and newer wood you might have to start
> > > near the side rather than going straight down the middle right
> > > off the bat.
> > >
> >
> > Sounds like you've been there ... IMO that splitter would be fine
> > for someone who wants a small stockpile of firewood for emergency
> > use or someone who has a fireplace that they burn for esthetics .
> > If I were splitting for a main source of heat , I'd want something
> > bigger and gas powered.
>
> Not trying to split 18 cords for a winter, Snag! This is more a
> weekend augment to the heat (weekdays depend but with working from
> home still, hard to say what will happen this year). At roughly 4
> logs a minute if both Don and I are working it, a 1/2 hour probably
> covers us (plus some) for a weekend. MOst doesn't need re-splitting
> at all.
>
> > As Dave said , use a heavy cord , minimum 12 ga but 10
> > would be better . You'll also want to do your back a favor and put
> > that thing up on a platform of some type . From what I've read and
>
> No really good way to do that here but I'll keep it in mind if I find
> something stable and level enough for it.
>
> > seen on the 'net , one of the biggest complaints is that these
> > electrics need both hands to operate. Makes it a bit difficult to
> > balance a big piece on the beam while splitting it.
>
> Watch the review please. Hands off sort. Log fits between the bars.
> 10 inch max width of log but we rarely have wider and if we do, we
> could do that with the Pneumatic.
>
> > Mine's a 12 ton
> > horizontal with a 196CC gas engine . It does pretty good , but
> > gnarly grain in a big piece will have me cutting the chunks down
> > with a chainsaw - I've split up to 24" diameter pieces with
> > straight grain with no problems . I currently have about 4 cords of
> > oak (red and white) and half a cord of hickory split and stacked ,
> > and plan to cut that much more this winter . I like being warm ...
> > and I'm trying to get a year ahead , well seasoned wood burns
> > better with more heat and less creosote.
>
> Agreed and love your wood pile! That might be 10 years worth for us
> here!
>
> I have 6 8' racks and a 16' rack. I gave away a 4' rack to another
> who really needed it for a wood stove (he has no other heat).
>
> These are single layer so if doubled (we plan to do that as they empty
> and zip-tie them together), that seems 1/2 cord right? So 1.5 cords
> (and we always have some leftover that doesn't fit when we get a load
> which was why the single 4' rack)
>
> We aren't real specific on 'cords' down here. It's more often sold by
> truck size. The 2-ton truck load is what we normally get and we know
> what it fills. No one gets antsy about exactly how much rack fillage
> there is.
>
> The fellow I use has a decent proption of what I call 'Banker Logs'.
> I don't know what another would call them but they are the larger
> parts, very useful once it's going really well but alone are too big
> to burn correctly without smaller ones around it. I'd say 1 in 10
> are that but it's 2 more or so than desired? Hence other than
> helping others cut wood, our needs here will be small.

I see I missed adding in the 16ft rack, so is a double wide 8ftx6ft (2
singles strapped together in my case) is 1/2 cord, then I have 2 cords
stacking and gave away a smaller unit to another who really needed it.

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 21:58:04 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:27:56 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
>> Shucks, Popeye would have had that damn tree down,
>> and sawed into lumber in 15 minutes!
>
> I'm not sure Hank. In the video:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH-vCjSk4Hs
>
> it takes 12 seconds, (Time index 03:05 to 03:17),
>
> but the other guy actually cuts down the tree.
>
>
> And he cut it into firewood, not lumber. I think Dave's tree (his
> municipality's) was rotten and huge.
>
>
> I had a bunch of other trees bending towards a different neighbour taken
> down a few years ago (maple & beech & white ash), and the crew asked if
> they could take their time and remove 12' logs instead of just cutting
> shorter pieces.
>
> They left them on the property but came by later to pick them up for his
> hardwood furniture shop.

It's a pity that Dave's tree will end up as firewood at best. A local wood
store buys in big slabs that have all sorts of faults, checks etc and they
fill the faukts with coloured epoxy making huge, natural-edge table tops.
Despite the rot, I bet there's plent of recoverable wood in that maple.

Gary wrote:

> On 11/29/2020 5:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > I have two huge maples in my
> > front yard, but they are on town property One of them was so
> > rotten in the base that the town is taking it down. The tree
> > service company has spent about 4 days working on it. They didn't
> > last long the first day because their cherry picker could not reach
> > high enough and for enough to do the top branches. This tree is
> > 60-70 feet high and the trunk is more than 3 feet in diameter.
>
> Oh good grief. 4+ days for a tree service company to take down one
> tree? What a bunch of hogans. Be thankful the city is paying for that.

Here they climb up where it can't reach and cut the top in small parts
with blocks and tackle for a controlled fall. Non-issue, happens all
the time.

150ft tree in neighbors yard, took a day, it was fun to watch!

Snag wrote:

> On 11/29/2020 3:53 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Snag wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/28/2020 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2020-11-28 5:33 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 2020-11-28 4:34 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are
> > > > > > > all you can use and he has 5 of them or something.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now for real people with smaller needs?Â* I am over
> > > > > > > Pnematics at this stage of our lives.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My old neighbour had one similar to that. He loaned it to me
> > > > > > when I had that huge branch fall on my house. It was more
> > > > > > like tree size. It could not handle the 18" pieces, but it
> > > > > > sure was handy for anything you would get in a load of
> > > > > > unsplit firewood.Â* Word of caution... use a heavy duty
> > > > > > extension cord or you will be burning out the motor or
> > > > > > blowing fuses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!Â* Our needs are more to the splitting down a bit
> > > > > more.Â* By 18" do you mean long or wide?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > 18" diameter. That would be about the limit and, of course,
> > > > depends on the type of wood. Some wood splits more easily than
> > > > other wood. With the big and newer wood you might have to
> > > > start near the side rather than going straight down the middle
> > > > right off the bat.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sounds like you've been there ... IMO that splitter would be fine
> > > for someone who wants a small stockpile of firewood for emergency
> > > use or someone who has a fireplace that they burn for esthetics .
> > > If I were splitting for a main source of heat , I'd want
> > > something bigger and gas powered.
> >
> > Not trying to split 18 cords for a winter, Snag! This is more a
> > weekend augment to the heat (weekdays depend but with working from
> > home still, hard to say what will happen this year). At roughly 4
> > logs a minute if both Don and I are working it, a 1/2 hour probably
> > covers us (plus some) for a weekend. MOst doesn't need
> > re-splitting at all.
> >
> > > As Dave said , use a heavy cord , minimum 12 ga but 10
> > > would be better . You'll also want to do your back a favor and put
> > > that thing up on a platform of some type . From what I've read and
> >
> > No really good way to do that here but I'll keep it in mind if I
> > find something stable and level enough for it.
> >
> > > seen on the 'net , one of the biggest complaints is that these
> > > electrics need both hands to operate. Makes it a bit difficult to
> > > balance a big piece on the beam while splitting it.
> >
> > Watch the review please. Hands off sort. Log fits between the bars.
> > 10 inch max width of log but we rarely have wider and if we do, we
> > could do that with the Pneumatic.
> >
> > > Mine's a 12 ton
> > > horizontal with a 196CC gas engine . It does pretty good , but
> > > gnarly grain in a big piece will have me cutting the chunks down
> > > with a chainsaw - I've split up to 24" diameter pieces with
> > > straight grain with no problems . I currently have about 4 cords
> > > of oak (red and white) and half a cord of hickory split and
> > > stacked , and plan to cut that much more this winter . I like
> > > being warm ... and I'm trying to get a year ahead , well seasoned
> > > wood burns better with more heat and less creosote.
> >
> > Agreed and love your wood pile! That might be 10 years worth for us
> > here!
> >
> > I have 6 8' racks and a 16' rack. I gave away a 4' rack to another
> > who really needed it for a wood stove (he has no other heat).
> >
> > These are single layer so if doubled (we plan to do that as they
> > empty and zip-tie them together), that seems 1/2 cord right? So
> > 1.5 cords (and we always have some leftover that doesn't fit when
> > we get a load which was why the single 4' rack)
> >
> > We aren't real specific on 'cords' down here. It's more often sold
> > by truck size. The 2-ton truck load is what we normally get and we
> > know what it fills. No one gets antsy about exactly how much rack
> > fillage there is.
> >
> > The fellow I use has a decent proption of what I call 'Banker
> > Logs'. I don't know what another would call them but they are the
> > larger parts, very useful once it's going really well but alone are
> > too big to burn correctly without smaller ones around it. I'd say
> > 1 in 10 are that but it's 2 more or so than desired? Hence other
> > than helping others cut wood, our needs here will be small.
> >
>
> My wood lot for firewood stacks is used steel roofing pieces 10 and
> 12 feet long . Total area is about 30 x 10/12 feet . I figure 20"
> lengths of wood in a stack 10 feet long and 4 1/2 feet high is about
> 2/3 of a cord , 12 foot stacks are about 3/4 cord . I started this
> year to leave a space for circulation between rows , it helps quite a
> bit to dry it quicker . What your supplier calls banker logs are what
> we call overnighters , I like to put a couple of big pieces in just
> before I go to bed . There's usually still a pretty good fire when I
> get up in the morning . I split my wood into a range of sizes
> starting about 2x4 size because you just don't always need a big fire
> . Warm (above 50°F) days call for a fire of smaller pieces . Colder
> nights (like tonight , predicted low is 27°F) call for some bigger
> wood , and sometimes an early-morning replenishment .

Makes sense! Obviously I use less. Overnighters then (grin). Same I
think. For the rest, banking the fire so you can stir it up fast in
the morning.

2x4 size is good for starter wood too since we don't burn 24x7 here.
Mostly we want what would equate to 4x4 or 4x6 sizes. The bankers /
overnighters are more like a 10x7 and there are the rare larger ones.

cshenk wrote:
> Snag wrote:
>
>> On 11/29/2020 3:53 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Snag wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/28/2020 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-11-28 5:33 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2020-11-28 4:34 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I KNOW there are massive units that Sheldon will claim are
>>>>>>>> all you can use and he has 5 of them or something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now for real people with smaller needs?Â* I am over
>>>>>>>> Pnematics at this stage of our lives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My old neighbour had one similar to that. He loaned it to me
>>>>>>> when I had that huge branch fall on my house. It was more
>>>>>>> like tree size. It could not handle the 18" pieces, but it
>>>>>>> sure was handy for anything you would get in a load of
>>>>>>> unsplit firewood.Â* Word of caution... use a heavy duty
>>>>>>> extension cord or you will be burning out the motor or
>>>>>>> blowing fuses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!Â* Our needs are more to the splitting down a bit
>>>>>> more.Â* By 18" do you mean long or wide?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 18" diameter. That would be about the limit and, of course,
>>>>> depends on the type of wood. Some wood splits more easily than
>>>>> other wood. With the big and newer wood you might have to
>>>>> start near the side rather than going straight down the middle
>>>>> right off the bat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like you've been there ... IMO that splitter would be fine
>>>> for someone who wants a small stockpile of firewood for emergency
>>>> use or someone who has a fireplace that they burn for esthetics .
>>>> If I were splitting for a main source of heat , I'd want
>>>> something bigger and gas powered.
>>>
>>> Not trying to split 18 cords for a winter, Snag! This is more a
>>> weekend augment to the heat (weekdays depend but with working from
>>> home still, hard to say what will happen this year). At roughly 4
>>> logs a minute if both Don and I are working it, a 1/2 hour probably
>>> covers us (plus some) for a weekend. MOst doesn't need
>>> re-splitting at all.
>>>
>>>> As Dave said , use a heavy cord , minimum 12 ga but 10
>>>> would be better . You'll also want to do your back a favor and put
>>>> that thing up on a platform of some type . From what I've read and
>>>
>>> No really good way to do that here but I'll keep it in mind if I
>>> find something stable and level enough for it.
>>>
>>>> seen on the 'net , one of the biggest complaints is that these
>>>> electrics need both hands to operate. Makes it a bit difficult to
>>>> balance a big piece on the beam while splitting it.
>>>
>>> Watch the review please. Hands off sort. Log fits between the bars.
>>> 10 inch max width of log but we rarely have wider and if we do, we
>>> could do that with the Pneumatic.
>>>
>>>> Mine's a 12 ton
>>>> horizontal with a 196CC gas engine . It does pretty good , but
>>>> gnarly grain in a big piece will have me cutting the chunks down
>>>> with a chainsaw - I've split up to 24" diameter pieces with
>>>> straight grain with no problems . I currently have about 4 cords
>>>> of oak (red and white) and half a cord of hickory split and
>>>> stacked , and plan to cut that much more this winter . I like
>>>> being warm ... and I'm trying to get a year ahead , well seasoned
>>>> wood burns better with more heat and less creosote.
>>>
>>> Agreed and love your wood pile! That might be 10 years worth for us
>>> here!
>>>
>>> I have 6 8' racks and a 16' rack. I gave away a 4' rack to another
>>> who really needed it for a wood stove (he has no other heat).
>>>
>>> These are single layer so if doubled (we plan to do that as they
>>> empty and zip-tie them together), that seems 1/2 cord right? So
>>> 1.5 cords (and we always have some leftover that doesn't fit when
>>> we get a load which was why the single 4' rack)
>>>
>>> We aren't real specific on 'cords' down here. It's more often sold
>>> by truck size. The 2-ton truck load is what we normally get and we
>>> know what it fills. No one gets antsy about exactly how much rack
>>> fillage there is.
>>>
>>> The fellow I use has a decent proption of what I call 'Banker
>>> Logs'. I don't know what another would call them but they are the
>>> larger parts, very useful once it's going really well but alone are
>>> too big to burn correctly without smaller ones around it. I'd say
>>> 1 in 10 are that but it's 2 more or so than desired? Hence other
>>> than helping others cut wood, our needs here will be small.
>>>
>>
>> My wood lot for firewood stacks is used steel roofing pieces 10 and
>> 12 feet long . Total area is about 30 x 10/12 feet . I figure 20"
>> lengths of wood in a stack 10 feet long and 4 1/2 feet high is about
>> 2/3 of a cord , 12 foot stacks are about 3/4 cord . I started this
>> year to leave a space for circulation between rows , it helps quite a
>> bit to dry it quicker . What your supplier calls banker logs are what
>> we call overnighters , I like to put a couple of big pieces in just
>> before I go to bed . There's usually still a pretty good fire when I
>> get up in the morning . I split my wood into a range of sizes
>> starting about 2x4 size because you just don't always need a big fire
>> . Warm (above 50°F) days call for a fire of smaller pieces . Colder
>> nights (like tonight , predicted low is 27°F) call for some bigger
>> wood , and sometimes an early-morning replenishment .
>
> Makes sense! Obviously I use less. Overnighters then (grin). Same I
> think. For the rest, banking the fire so you can stir it up fast in
> the morning.
>
> 2x4 size is good for starter wood too since we don't burn 24x7 here.
> Mostly we want what would equate to 4x4 or 4x6 sizes. The bankers /
> overnighters are more like a 10x7 and there are the rare larger ones.
>

I used to get ends cut from railroad ties at a sawmill (not treated
of course). Hard to get them started burning though, Had to have a
pretty good fire going before putting them in.

On 2020-11-30 7:58 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote:

>> Oh good grief. 4+ days for a tree service company to take down one
>> tree? What a bunch of hogans. Be thankful the city is paying for that.
>
> Here they climb up where it can't reach and cut the top in small parts
> with blocks and tackle for a controlled fall. Non-issue, happens all
> the time.
>
> 150ft tree in neighbors yard, took a day, it was fun to watch!
>

The guys who came to clean up when a huge branch broke off the other
(bigger) tree were independents and one of them said that he loves
climbing up into the high branches. This was a crew from a major tree
service company and they may have company policies and insurance issues
that prevent. Two guys did more work in one day that this crew has done
in all the time they have been coming here.


If it were an independent tree guy the job probably would have been done
in short order. The first day they were here for about hour hours
during which time they worked for maybe an hour and a half. Then they
left, saying they needed the truck with the long boom. The last time
they were here them Friday <?>, their truck was here are 8 am. They
started sometime after 9. They cut off one big piece of a main branch of
the trunk, took a break and then cut a second length of it and they were
gone by 1:30. I thought they were going for lunch, but they never came
back.