It is Black Friday's Eve, and I am appropriately thinking about purchasing material possessions at bargain prices.
You never get too old for one of these:
https://www.harborfreight.com/bigfoo...gon-60570.html

--Bryan

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 8:54:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> It is Black Friday's Eve, and I am appropriately thinking about purchasing material possessions at bargain prices.
> You never get too old for one of these:
> https://www.harborfreight.com/bigfoo...gon-60570.html
>
> --Bryan

I buy NOTHING on Black Friday!

Nor respond to any advertisements!

John Kuthe...

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 8:54:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> > It is Black Friday's Eve, and I am appropriately thinking about purchasing material possessions at bargain prices.
> > You never get too old for one of these:
> > https://www.harborfreight.com/bigfoo...gon-60570.html
> >
> > --Bryan
> I buy NOTHING on Black Friday!
>
> Nor respond to any advertisements!
>
> John Kuthe...

Well, aren't you righteous.

Black Friday sales simply never offer anything I want.

After the crowds dissipate today, I'll probably go to Home Despot with the
list of things I'm out of:
Contractor bags
Rosin paper
Stabil
2-cycle mix
Garden hose valve
Rope

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 03:11:01 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 8:54:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>> > It is Black Friday's Eve, and I am appropriately thinking about purchasing material possessions at bargain prices.
>> > You never get too old for one of these:
>> > https://www.harborfreight.com/bigfoo...gon-60570.html
>> >
>> > --Bryan
>> I buy NOTHING on Black Friday!
>>
>> Nor respond to any advertisements!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>Well, aren't you righteous.
>
>Black Friday sales simply never offer anything I want.
>
>After the crowds dissipate today, I'll probably go to Home Despot with the
>list of things I'm out of:
>Contractor bags
>Rosin paper
>Stabil
>2-cycle mix
>Garden hose valve
>Rope

You're such a party animal.

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:11:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 8:54:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> > > It is Black Friday's Eve, and I am appropriately thinking about purchasing material possessions at bargain prices.
> > > You never get too old for one of these:
> > > https://www.harborfreight.com/bigfoo...gon-60570.html
> > >
> > > --Bryan
> > I buy NOTHING on Black Friday!
> >
> > Nor respond to any advertisements!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
> Well, aren't you righteous.
>
> Black Friday sales simply never offer anything I want.
>
> After the crowds dissipate today, I'll probably go to Home Despot with the
> list of things I'm out of:
> Contractor bags
> Rosin paper
> Stabil
> 2-cycle mix
> Garden hose valve
> Rope

I bought my wagon, a nice bright flashlight that was also super discounted
($3.99) while I was at Harbor Freight anyway, and some 30 packs of AA and
AAA alkaline batteries at Menard's. That was it. I also bought myself a StL
Cardinals shirt that was clearance ($10.25, originally $39.99) but that had
nothing to do with Black Friday.

Our big expense this weekend is plumbing. We've had a few minor issues
that we've been waiting until Covid was under control before having a
person who doesn't live here in our house, but the kitchen faucet started
leaking badly, so we're getting everything done in one visit. The guy doesn't
work weekends, but will be here 9 am Monday. We've filled up lots of jugs
of water for toilet flushing and hand washing, and will have the water turned
off, only turning it on for showering and to refill the jugs.

The reason that we need to shut off all the water is because the shutoff
valve under the kitchen sink is defective, and if we shut off the water there,
it leaks out of the valve, so that's also getting replaced. I might also use this
as an opportunity to replace the basement toilet with a more efficient one.

The plumber lives on a street near where I went to high school, and I
wondered why that street name rang a bell, and then I remembered that I
think that I used to buy weed from a guy who lived on that street back in
1976. It was all leaf, no buds or stems, from Michoachan, not all that
potent, but no stems or seeds made for great rolled joints.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan

On 2020-11-27 8:54 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:

> Our big expense this weekend is plumbing. We've had a few minor issues
> that we've been waiting until Covid was under control before having a
> person who doesn't live here in our house, but the kitchen faucet started
> leaking badly, so we're getting everything done in one visit. The guy doesn't
> work weekends, but will be here 9 am Monday. We've filled up lots of jugs
> of water for toilet flushing and hand washing, and will have the water turned
> off, only turning it on for showering and to refill the jugs.
>
> The reason that we need to shut off all the water is because the shutoff
> valve under the kitchen sink is defective, and if we shut off the water there,
> it leaks out of the valve, so that's also getting replaced. I might also use this
> as an opportunity to replace the basement toilet with a more efficient one.

How about shutting off the water and changing the shut of to the
kitchen. Then you can turn the water back on for the rest of the house.

Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:11:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 8:54:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>>> It is Black Friday's Eve, and I am appropriately thinking about purchasing material possessions at bargain prices.
>>>> You never get too old for one of these:
>>>> https://www.harborfreight.com/bigfoo...gon-60570.html
>>>>
>>>> --Bryan
>>> I buy NOTHING on Black Friday!
>>>
>>> Nor respond to any advertisements!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>> Well, aren't you righteous.
>>
>> Black Friday sales simply never offer anything I want.
>>
>> After the crowds dissipate today, I'll probably go to Home Despot with the
>> list of things I'm out of:
>> Contractor bags
>> Rosin paper
>> Stabil
>> 2-cycle mix
>> Garden hose valve
>> Rope
>
> I bought my wagon, a nice bright flashlight that was also super discounted
> ($3.99) while I was at Harbor Freight anyway, and some 30 packs of AA and
> AAA alkaline batteries at Menard's. That was it. I also bought myself a StL
> Cardinals shirt that was clearance ($10.25, originally $39.99) but that had
> nothing to do with Black Friday.
>
> Our big expense this weekend is plumbing. We've had a few minor issues
> that we've been waiting until Covid was under control before having a
> person who doesn't live here in our house, but the kitchen faucet started
> leaking badly, so we're getting everything done in one visit. The guy doesn't
> work weekends, but will be here 9 am Monday. We've filled up lots of jugs
> of water for toilet flushing and hand washing, and will have the water turned
> off, only turning it on for showering and to refill the jugs.
>
> The reason that we need to shut off all the water is because the shutoff
> valve under the kitchen sink is defective, and if we shut off the water there,
> it leaks out of the valve, so that's also getting replaced. I might also use this
> as an opportunity to replace the basement toilet with a more efficient one.
>
> The plumber lives on a street near where I went to high school, and I
> wondered why that street name rang a bell, and then I remembered that I
> think that I used to buy weed from a guy who lived on that street back in
> 1976. It was all leaf, no buds or stems, from Michoachan, not all that
> potent, but no stems or seeds made for great rolled joints.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> --Bryan
>

Hell, why not ask the guy to move in? Instead of a gardener, you
could have your own Plumber.

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 10:28:05 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:11:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 8:54:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> >>>> It is Black Friday's Eve, and I am appropriately thinking about purchasing material possessions at bargain prices.
> >>>> You never get too old for one of these:
> >>>> https://www.harborfreight.com/bigfoo...gon-60570.html
> >>>>
> >>>> --Bryan
> >>> I buy NOTHING on Black Friday!
> >>>
> >>> Nor respond to any advertisements!
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe...
> >> Well, aren't you righteous.
> >>
> >> Black Friday sales simply never offer anything I want.
> >>
> >> After the crowds dissipate today, I'll probably go to Home Despot with the
> >> list of things I'm out of:
> >> Contractor bags
> >> Rosin paper
> >> Stabil
> >> 2-cycle mix
> >> Garden hose valve
> >> Rope
> >
> > I bought my wagon, a nice bright flashlight that was also super discounted
> > ($3.99) while I was at Harbor Freight anyway, and some 30 packs of AA and
> > AAA alkaline batteries at Menard's. That was it. I also bought myself a StL
> > Cardinals shirt that was clearance ($10.25, originally $39.99) but that had
> > nothing to do with Black Friday.
> >
> > Our big expense this weekend is plumbing. We've had a few minor issues
> > that we've been waiting until Covid was under control before having a
> > person who doesn't live here in our house, but the kitchen faucet started
> > leaking badly, so we're getting everything done in one visit. The guy doesn't
> > work weekends, but will be here 9 am Monday. We've filled up lots of jugs
> > of water for toilet flushing and hand washing, and will have the water turned
> > off, only turning it on for showering and to refill the jugs.
> >
> > The reason that we need to shut off all the water is because the shutoff
> > valve under the kitchen sink is defective, and if we shut off the water there,
> > it leaks out of the valve, so that's also getting replaced. I might also use this
> > as an opportunity to replace the basement toilet with a more efficient one.
> >
> > The plumber lives on a street near where I went to high school, and I
> > wondered why that street name rang a bell, and then I remembered that I
> > think that I used to buy weed from a guy who lived on that street back in
> > 1976. It was all leaf, no buds or stems, from Michoachan, not all that
> > potent, but no stems or seeds made for great rolled joints.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > --Bryan
> >
> Hell, why not ask the guy to move in? Instead of a gardener, you
> could have your own Plumber.

I bet that Julie's gardener works on her plumbing.

--Bryan

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:23:33 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-11-27 8:54 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
> > Our big expense this weekend is plumbing. We've had a few minor issues
> > that we've been waiting until Covid was under control before having a
> > person who doesn't live here in our house, but the kitchen faucet started
> > leaking badly, so we're getting everything done in one visit. The guy doesn't
> > work weekends, but will be here 9 am Monday. We've filled up lots of jugs
> > of water for toilet flushing and hand washing, and will have the water turned
> > off, only turning it on for showering and to refill the jugs.
> >
> > The reason that we need to shut off all the water is because the shutoff
> > valve under the kitchen sink is defective, and if we shut off the water there,
> > it leaks out of the valve, so that's also getting replaced. I might also use this
> > as an opportunity to replace the basement toilet with a more efficient one.
> How about shutting off the water and changing the shut of to the
> kitchen. Then you can turn the water back on for the rest of the house.

There is no shut off to the kitchen. There should be, but there isn't. There's only
the cheesy shutoff valve below the sink. I'm going to have the plumber replace
the cheap valve with a high quality one. We bought this house after a
foreclosure, and the guy who did the interior work, most of which was very well
done, used the cheap faucet hookup things that have those chrome plated oval
knobs.
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Comp.../dp/B07W6M3RWW
The better choice looks like this:
https://www.kennypipe.com/2526323/pr...tainless-steel
or for a low volume application, like this:
https://store.acpro.com/angle-needle...-x-1-8-25-pack

I don't do plumbing work, and labor is expensive. It's way more expensive than
investing in higher quality parts to begin with. Same goes for appliances. Within
10 years, I had two washing machines fail, so I bought a Speed Queen. That
wouldn't have been practical, considering that we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood
moving out of this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property, and the
washer will probably outlive both my wife and me.

--Bryan

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 7:32:25 PM UTC-6, wrote:
....
> We bought this house after a
> foreclosure, and the guy who did the interior work, most of which was very well
> done, used the cheap faucet hookup things that have those chrome plated oval
> knobs.
> https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Comp.../dp/B07W6M3RWW
....

That's the kind of cheap water shutoff as my 1st Floor toilet has on it. Works but begrudgingly!



John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 7:32:25 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> ...
>> We bought this house after a
>> foreclosure, and the guy who did the interior work, most of which was very well
>> done, used the cheap faucet hookup things that have those chrome plated oval
>> knobs.
>> https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Comp.../dp/B07W6M3RWW
> ...
>
> That's the kind of cheap water shutoff as my 1st Floor toilet has on it. Works but begrudgingly!
>
>
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Cheap chinese shit?

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 3:32:25 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:23:33 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2020-11-27 8:54 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >
> > > Our big expense this weekend is plumbing. We've had a few minor issues
> > > that we've been waiting until Covid was under control before having a
> > > person who doesn't live here in our house, but the kitchen faucet started
> > > leaking badly, so we're getting everything done in one visit. The guy doesn't
> > > work weekends, but will be here 9 am Monday. We've filled up lots of jugs
> > > of water for toilet flushing and hand washing, and will have the water turned
> > > off, only turning it on for showering and to refill the jugs.
> > >
> > > The reason that we need to shut off all the water is because the shutoff
> > > valve under the kitchen sink is defective, and if we shut off the water there,
> > > it leaks out of the valve, so that's also getting replaced. I might also use this
> > > as an opportunity to replace the basement toilet with a more efficient one.
> > How about shutting off the water and changing the shut of to the
> > kitchen. Then you can turn the water back on for the rest of the house.
> There is no shut off to the kitchen. There should be, but there isn't. There's only
> the cheesy shutoff valve below the sink. I'm going to have the plumber replace
> the cheap valve with a high quality one. We bought this house after a
> foreclosure, and the guy who did the interior work, most of which was very well
> done, used the cheap faucet hookup things that have those chrome plated oval
> knobs.
> https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Comp.../dp/B07W6M3RWW
> The better choice looks like this:
> https://www.kennypipe.com/2526323/pr...tainless-steel
> or for a low volume application, like this:
> https://store.acpro.com/angle-needle...-x-1-8-25-pack
>
> I don't do plumbing work, and labor is expensive. It's way more expensive than
> investing in higher quality parts to begin with. Same goes for appliances. Within
> 10 years, I had two washing machines fail, so I bought a Speed Queen. That
> wouldn't have been practical, considering that we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood
> moving out of this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property, and the
> washer will probably outlive both my wife and me.
>
> --Bryan
My brother-in-laws installed some in-line shut-off valves to our shower. To shut off the water, you flip the handle 1/4 turn. Well, that's the theory. I've never tested them out.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RV7bTCwNnEsgopaM7

On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,

That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
complications.

Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
police & lawyers.

In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't depend on
relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.

On 11/28/2020 9:51 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> My brother-in-laws installed some in-line shut-off valves to our shower. To shut off the water, you flip the handle 1/4 turn. Well, that's the theory. I've never tested them out.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RV7bTCwNnEsgopaM7
>

You should test them. At least a couple of times a year, close and
open. Valves can get bound up with mineral deposits over time and fail
when you need them.

On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
>> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
>
> That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
> to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
> complications.
>
> Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
> police & lawyers.
>
> In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't depend on
> relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
>

I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.

I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
time.

On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 22:50:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>
>>> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
>>> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
>>
>> That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
>> to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
>> complications.
>>
>> Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
>> police & lawyers.
>>
>> In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't depend on
>> relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
>>
>
>I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
>them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
>
>I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
>know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
>nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
>problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
>time.

If your tenants are black, you could always call the police and have
them shot.

On 2020-11-28 9:51 p.m., dsi1 wrote:


> My brother-in-laws installed some in-line shut-off valves to our
> shower. To shut off the water, you flip the handle 1/4 turn. Well,
> that's the theory. I've never tested them out.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RV7bTCwNnEsgopaM7
>

They work well. I have three of them on my water pressure system. I have
two intake lines, one from the cistern and one from the well so I can
easily switch from one to the other. The third is on the output line
from the pressure system. I also have the old fashioned stop valves on
the lines to the kitchen and to the upstairs bathroom. Then I have shot
offs to the washing machine, the toilets and all sinks.

Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 22:50:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>
>>>> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
>>>> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
>>>
>>> That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
>>> to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
>>> complications.
>>>
>>> Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
>>> police & lawyers.
>>>
>>> In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't depend on
>>> relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
>>>
>>
>> I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
>> them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
>>
>> I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
>> know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
>> nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
>> problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
>> time.
>
> If your tenants are black, you could always call the police and have
> them shot.
>

If they are not black, the best he could accomplish is having you
sniff their asses.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:44:24 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/28/2020 9:51 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > My brother-in-laws installed some in-line shut-off valves to our shower. To shut off the water, you flip the handle 1/4 turn. Well, that's the theory. I've never tested them out.
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/RV7bTCwNnEsgopaM7
> >
> You should test them. At least a couple of times a year, close and
> open. Valves can get bound up with mineral deposits over time and fail
> when you need them.
I should do that - I shall try.

On 11/28/2020 10:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>
>>> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
>>> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
>>
>> That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
>> to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
>> complications.
>>
>> Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
>> police & lawyers.
>>
>> In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't depend on
>> relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
>>
>
> I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
> them.Â* You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
>
> I also know people with horror stories.Â* I've hears and seen enough to
> know it is not something I want to do.Â* I have thought about it but
> nixed it.Â* There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
> problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
> time.

I would never, ever want to be a landlord. When I lived in my apartment
in Cordova (for 12 years) there were some privately owned duplexes
across the street. One day the owner of one of them saw me out by my
mailbox and asked if I would be interested in buying the duplex. Said I
could live on one side, rent out the other! Uh, no. I'd seen all the
tenants coming and going every 6 months. Short term rentals. Sure as
heck didn't want to become a landlord living next door to a tenant and
having to listen to complaints and have to fix every little thing that
was wrong with what I knew was a 30 year old property. This guy also
owned a couple of other duplexes up the street and they had FOR SALE
signs on them. He was bailing on the rental market. I wasn't about to
help him do it.

Jill

On 2020-11-28 10:44 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/28/2020 9:51 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> My brother-in-laws installed some in-line shut-off valves to our
>> shower. To shut off the water, you flip the handle 1/4 turn. Well,
>> that's the theory. I've never tested them out.
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RV7bTCwNnEsgopaM7
>>
>
> You should test them.Â* At least a couple of times a year, close and
> open.Â* Valves can get bound up with mineral deposits over time and fail
> when you need them.

Especially the old fashioned twisty knob type. If you leave it for a
year or more you are likely to find that it leaks, or that you just
can't turn it at all.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:50:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >
> >> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
> >> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
> >
> > That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
> > to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
> > complications.
> >
> > Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
> > police & lawyers.
> >
> > In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't depend on
> > relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
> >
> I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
> them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
>
> I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
> know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
> nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
> problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
> time.
My friend has a tenant that is renting a condo he owns. If all goes well, the guy will vacate the apartment this month and we can go in and check out the condition of the joint. He's been renting for about a decade and we're prepared for the worst. Of course, he's going to have to replace the carpeting and paint the place. My guess is that he'll have to replace the refrigerator and maybe the range. If that's all it's going to take, that would be awesome.

It's kind of a scary place because it's at the top of a tall, skinny, building. Going out to the patio is scary. The good part is that it's near Waikiki and there's no other high rises next to it. He should be able to rent it out easily and for more than he was getting previously. My scientific mind wants to throw stuff of the lanai to see what happens.

On 2020-11-28 10:50 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I also know people with horror stories.Â* I've hears and seen enough to
> know it is not something I want to do.Â* I have thought about it but
> nixed it.Â* There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
> problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
> time.
My former neighbours had a property that was such a pain in the ass they
got rid of it. It had been her mother's house and she had inherited it
when the mother died. He was handyman. They rented it to students and
they were calling him regularly with stupid problems, like light bulbs.
It would cost him $10 and and hour and a half of his time to drive there
to change a light bulb, and it happened way to often. Then they made the
mistake of renting out one more room and slipped into another category
that required wired smoke detectors, fire doors. They got fed up and
sold it and were glad to be rid of it. They took the money from that
place and built a place up north. He did most of the work himself and
ended up with a house that was about four times bigger, much nicer and
in a secluded valley on a river.... and money in their pockets.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:50:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >
> >> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
> >> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
> >
> > That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
> > to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
> > complications.
> >
> > Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
> > police & lawyers.
> >
> > In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't depend on
> > relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
> >
> I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
> them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
>
> I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
> know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
> nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
> problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
> time.
My friend has a tenant that is renting a condo he owns. If all goes well,
the guy will vacate the apartment this month and we can go in and check out
the condition of the joint. He's been renting for about a decade and we're
prepared for the worst. Of course, he's going to have to replace the
carpeting and paint the place. My guess is that he'll have to replace the
refrigerator and maybe the range. If that's all it's going to take, that
would be awesome.

It's kind of a scary place because it's at the top of a tall, skinny,
building. Going out to the patio is scary. The good part is that it's near
Waikiki and there's no other high rises next to it. He should be able to
rent it out easily and for more than he was getting previously. My
scientific mind wants to throw stuff of the lanai to see what happens.

=====

"throw stuff of the lanai" please translate?

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 9:51:05 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:

> My brother-in-laws installed some in-line shut-off valves to our shower. To shut off
> the water, you flip the handle 1/4 turn. Well, that's the theory. I've never tested them out.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RV7bTCwNnEsgopaM7

Ball valves. The preferred solution for shutoffs. As Ed recommends, you should
exercise them occasionally.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 6:15:01 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:50:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> > > On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >
> > >> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
> > >> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
> > >
> > > That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
> > > to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
> > > complications.
> > >
> > > Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
> > > police & lawyers.
> > >
> > > In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't depend on
> > > relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
> > >
> > I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
> > them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
> >
> > I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
> > know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
> > nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
> > problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
> > time.
> My friend has a tenant that is renting a condo he owns. If all goes well,
> the guy will vacate the apartment this month and we can go in and check out
> the condition of the joint. He's been renting for about a decade and we're
> prepared for the worst. Of course, he's going to have to replace the
> carpeting and paint the place. My guess is that he'll have to replace the
> refrigerator and maybe the range. If that's all it's going to take, that
> would be awesome.
>
> It's kind of a scary place because it's at the top of a tall, skinny,
> building. Going out to the patio is scary. The good part is that it's near
> Waikiki and there's no other high rises next to it. He should be able to
> rent it out easily and for more than he was getting previously. My
> scientific mind wants to throw stuff of the lanai to see what happens.
> =====
>
> "throw stuff of the lanai" please translate?

"of" is a typo for "off"

Lanai:
<https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk00BzHAGXCzkupC0HBED1s-CLkvjCw%3A1606651558931&source=hp&ei=po7DX5-zNoq5tQbHqKeIDw&q=lanai&oq=lanai>

Cindy Hamilton

On 11/29/2020 6:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:50:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> > On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> >
>> >> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
>> >> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
>> >
>> > That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
>> > to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
>> > complications.
>> >
>> > Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
>> > police & lawyers.
>> >
>> > In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't
>> depend on
>> > relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
>> >
>> I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
>> them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
>>
>> I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
>> know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
>> nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
>> problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
>> time.
> My friend has a tenant that is renting a condo he owns. If all goes
> well, the guy will vacate the apartment this month and we can go in and
> check out the condition of the joint. He's been renting for about a
> decade and we're prepared for the worst. Of course, he's going to have
> to replace the carpeting and paint the place. My guess is that he'll
> have to replace the refrigerator and maybe the range. If that's all it's
> going to take, that would be awesome.
>
> It's kind of a scary place because it's at the top of a tall, skinny,
> building. Going out to the patio is scary. The good part is that it's
> near Waikiki and there's no other high rises next to it. He should be
> able to rent it out easily and for more than he was getting previously.
> My scientific mind wants to throw stuff of the lanai to see what happens.
>
> =====
>
> Â*"throw stuff of the lanai"Â*Â* please translate?
>
>
He's talking about throwing stuff off the patio, which in a high-rise
building would commonly be called a balcony. In my world a "lanai" is a
patio or veranda at ground level; a balcony is the outdoor space you
find in some high rise condominiums. Just like stuffing vs. dressing,
though, the terms are pretty much interchangable.

Jill

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 9:30:53 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> On 11/29/2020 6:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:50:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
> >> >> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
> >> >
> >> > That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
> >> > to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
> >> > complications.
> >> >
> >> > Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
> >> > police & lawyers.
> >> >
> >> > In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't
> >> depend on
> >> > relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
> >> >
> >> I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
> >> them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
> >>
> >> I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
> >> know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
> >> nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
> >> problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
> >> time.
> > My friend has a tenant that is renting a condo he owns. If all goes
> > well, the guy will vacate the apartment this month and we can go in and
> > check out the condition of the joint. He's been renting for about a
> > decade and we're prepared for the worst. Of course, he's going to have
> > to replace the carpeting and paint the place. My guess is that he'll
> > have to replace the refrigerator and maybe the range. If that's all it's
> > going to take, that would be awesome.
> >
> > It's kind of a scary place because it's at the top of a tall, skinny,
> > building. Going out to the patio is scary. The good part is that it's
> > near Waikiki and there's no other high rises next to it. He should be
> > able to rent it out easily and for more than he was getting previously.
> > My scientific mind wants to throw stuff of the lanai to see what happens.
> >
> > =====
> >
> > "throw stuff of the lanai" please translate?
> >
> >
> He's talking about throwing stuff off the patio, which in a high-rise
> building would commonly be called a balcony. In my world a "lanai" is a
> patio or veranda at ground level; a balcony is the outdoor space you
> find in some high rise condominiums. Just like stuffing vs. dressing,
> though, the terms are pretty much interchangable.

At least he's not talking about defenestration.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

wrote:

> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 9:30:53 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> > On 11/29/2020 6:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:50:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >> On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> > >> > On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
> > >> >> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
> > >> >
> > >> > That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
> > >> > to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
> > >> > complications.
> > >> >
> > >> > Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
> > >> > police & lawyers.
> > >> >
> > >> > In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't
> > >> depend on
> > >> > relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
> > >> >
> > >> I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
> > >> them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
> > >>
> > >> I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
> > >> know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
> > >> nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
> > >> problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
> > >> time.
> > > My friend has a tenant that is renting a condo he owns. If all goes
> > > well, the guy will vacate the apartment this month and we can go in and
> > > check out the condition of the joint. He's been renting for about a
> > > decade and we're prepared for the worst. Of course, he's going to have
> > > to replace the carpeting and paint the place. My guess is that he'll
> > > have to replace the refrigerator and maybe the range. If that's all it's
> > > going to take, that would be awesome.
> > >
> > > It's kind of a scary place because it's at the top of a tall, skinny,
> > > building. Going out to the patio is scary. The good part is that it's
> > > near Waikiki and there's no other high rises next to it. He should be
> > > able to rent it out easily and for more than he was getting previously.
> > > My scientific mind wants to throw stuff of the lanai to see what happens.
> > >
> > > =====
> > >
> > > "throw stuff of the lanai" please translate?
> > >
> > >
> > He's talking about throwing stuff off the patio, which in a high-rise
> > building would commonly be called a balcony. In my world a "lanai" is a
> > patio or veranda at ground level; a balcony is the outdoor space you
> > find in some high rise condominiums. Just like stuffing vs. dressing,
> > though, the terms are pretty much interchangable.
> At least he's not talking about defenestration.


Decades ago I once "defenestrated" a heavy old window A/C unit out of a fourth - floor window to the concrete walkway below...BANG BANG...!!!

--
Best
Greg

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 9:30:53 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> On 11/29/2020 6:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > My scientific mind wants to throw stuff of the lanai to see what happens.
> >
> > =====
> >
> > "throw stuff of the lanai" please translate?
> >
> >
> He's talking about throwing stuff off the patio, which in a high-rise
> building would commonly be called a balcony. In my world a "lanai" is a
> patio or veranda at ground level; a balcony is the outdoor space you
> find in some high rise condominiums. Just like stuffing vs. dressing,
> though, the terms are pretty much interchangable.
>
> Jill
>
I'm going to repeat myself. It will be thrilling once Google reaches Scotland
and OhFeelMe can look up words and terms herself.

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 1:15:01 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:50:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> > > On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >
> > >> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
> > >> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
> > >
> > > That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close enough
> > > to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
> > > complications.
> > >
> > > Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
> > > police & lawyers.
> > >
> > > In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't depend on
> > > relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
> > >
> > I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
> > them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
> >
> > I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
> > know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
> > nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
> > problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
> > time.
> My friend has a tenant that is renting a condo he owns. If all goes well,
> the guy will vacate the apartment this month and we can go in and check out
> the condition of the joint. He's been renting for about a decade and we're
> prepared for the worst. Of course, he's going to have to replace the
> carpeting and paint the place. My guess is that he'll have to replace the
> refrigerator and maybe the range. If that's all it's going to take, that
> would be awesome.
>
> It's kind of a scary place because it's at the top of a tall, skinny,
> building. Going out to the patio is scary. The good part is that it's near
> Waikiki and there's no other high rises next to it. He should be able to
> rent it out easily and for more than he was getting previously. My
> scientific mind wants to throw stuff of the lanai to see what happens.
> =====
>
> "throw stuff of the lanai" please translate?
It's a popular aussie sport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4_9-3ygnXE

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 1:15:01 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:50:48 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 11/28/2020 10:08 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> > > On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:32:19 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >
> > >> we'll be retiring, and in all likelihood moving out of
> > >> this house, but we plan on keeping it as a rental property,
> > >
> > > That might seem like a fine plan. Are you planning to stay close
> > > enough
> > > to keep an eye on it? Renting a house is fraught with unforseen
> > > complications.
> > >
> > > Without going into the details, the only time I tried ended up with
> > > police & lawyers.
> > >
> > > In any case, try to remain closer than a thousand miles. Don't depend
> > > on
> > > relatives. And for goodness sake, don't rent to relatives.
> > >
> > I know a couple of people with multiple properties and they do well with
> > them. You have to be nearby and do most maintenance yourself.
> >
> > I also know people with horror stories. I've hears and seen enough to
> > know it is not something I want to do. I have thought about it but
> > nixed it. There are some good people that rent and pay and cause no
> > problems but the wrong one can live rent free in your house for a long
> > time.
> My friend has a tenant that is renting a condo he owns. If all goes well,
> the guy will vacate the apartment this month and we can go in and check
> out
> the condition of the joint. He's been renting for about a decade and we're
> prepared for the worst. Of course, he's going to have to replace the
> carpeting and paint the place. My guess is that he'll have to replace the
> refrigerator and maybe the range. If that's all it's going to take, that
> would be awesome.
>
> It's kind of a scary place because it's at the top of a tall, skinny,
> building. Going out to the patio is scary. The good part is that it's near
> Waikiki and there's no other high rises next to it. He should be able to
> rent it out easily and for more than he was getting previously. My
> scientific mind wants to throw stuff of the lanai to see what happens.
> =====
>
> "throw stuff of the lanai" please translate?
It's a popular aussie sport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4_9-3ygnXE

====

LOL

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 08:51:49 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> At least he's not talking about defenestration.

My Dad & his buddy did that at a Pentecostal church once.

They were trying to impress some local girls. So when they got to the
part where people flop around like fish, his buddy decided to participate.

Apparently, those people can tell when you're faking it. The crowd got so
ugly so fast they actually jumped out the church window.

"Mike Duffy" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 08:51:49 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> At least he's not talking about defenestration.

My Dad & his buddy did that at a Pentecostal church once.

They were trying to impress some local girls. So when they got to the
part where people flop around like fish, his buddy decided to participate.

Apparently, those people can tell when you're faking it. The crowd got so
ugly so fast they actually jumped out the church window.

====

Ouch!

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:41:54 PM UTC-6, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 08:51:49 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
> > At least he's not talking about defenestration.
> My Dad & his buddy did that at a Pentecostal church once.
>
> They were trying to impress some local girls. So when they got to the
> part where people flop around like fish, his buddy decided to participate.
>
> Apparently, those people can tell when you're faking it. The crowd got so
> ugly so fast they actually jumped out the church window.

No. That was deFINestration.

--Bryan