On 2020-08-18 6:53 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I had a co-worker who was ordained in at least a half dozen churches.
>
> An ordained minister is an ordained minister. Good for all
> churches.
>

I would have to ask for a cit on that. I can't imagine a person ordained
in the Southern Baptist church taking over mass for a Catholic church.
The thing is that this dick head was sending away for the papers or
going to weekend seminars and collecting them as some sort of bonus
points to get to heaven. He was probably one of the most unchristian
people I ever met.

I have to give him credit for showing how the lord works in mysterious
ways. I was stuck in a job in a department that was slated to be shut
down and the work privatized. I had tried working hard. I tried screwing
up. Then I figured I could make some waves. I filed a complaint about
religious harassment. I almost felt sorry for my boss because he was
stuck between my complaint about religious harassment and his constant
complaints about racial discrimination. I had been trying to transfer to
safety and regulation for over a year and never even got an interview. I
had an application in for enforcement. I got an interview and got the
job. My new pay rate was almost double my old rate, and there was a
classification grievance ongoing which was settled about two years later
and retroactive. I ended up with more than $20,000 per year more pay.
He ended up with a small buyout and early retirement.

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 10:15:52 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 6:54:42 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I had a co-worker who was ordained in at least a half dozen churches.
> > > An ordained minister is an ordained minister. Good for all
> > > churches.
> >
> > Wherever did you get that idea? Sure, some nondenominational churches don't care,
> > but I doubt the Episcopal church would let an ordained Southern Baptist take over
> > one of their churches as its minister. And vice versa.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> Being an ordained minister is not about taking over churches.

Yes, that was not the best choice of words. "Being hired to serve" probably
was more what I had in mind.

Shoot, the various Lutheran Synods barely talk to each other.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:13:26 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:53:58 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> > >Dave Smith wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I had a co-worker who was ordained in at least a half dozen churches..
> > >
> > >An ordained minister is an ordained minister. Good for all
> > >churches.
> >
> > Really? Don't you distinguish between Catholic, all the different
> > types of Protestant and the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
>
> All protestant churches. Catholics are different as are Muslims,
> Buddhist, etc.

I went to a Buddhist memorial service for our most honorable ancestor. The guy doing the service and reading the sutras was Jewish. I believe the kids call that a "mash-up." I don't mind. I can more easily relate to a guy with a beard and a head of hair than a Buddhist monk. Those monks are intimidating and a little scary. Maybe they know kung fu and can kill you with their little finger.

On 2020-08-18 11:24 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 10:15:52 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:

>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> Being an ordained minister is not about taking over churches.
>
> Yes, that was not the best choice of words. "Being hired to serve" probably
> was more what I had in mind.
>
> Shoot, the various Lutheran Synods barely talk to each other.
>

We have a large Dutch community here and many of them belong to the
stricter sects of the Reform church. There is a standing joke about the
reason there are so many Dutch churches being built.... they keep
getting into fights and go out and start their own church.

On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 10:15:52 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > Wherever did you get that idea? Sure, some nondenominational churches don't care,
>> > but I doubt the Episcopal church would let an ordained Southern Baptist take over
>> > one of their churches as its minister. And vice versa.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> Being an ordained minister is not about taking over churches.
>
>Yes, that was not the best choice of words. "Being hired to serve" probably
>was more what I had in mind.
>
>Shoot, the various Lutheran Synods barely talk to each other.

I learnt in high school that when 2 protestants disagree about
something religious, one will start a new church. One protestant
church split in two over the question how many angels fit on the point
of a needle.

Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 10:15:52 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wherever did you get that idea? Sure, some nondenominational churches don't care,
>>>> but I doubt the Episcopal church would let an ordained Southern Baptist take over
>>>> one of their churches as its minister. And vice versa.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> Being an ordained minister is not about taking over churches.
>>
>> Yes, that was not the best choice of words. "Being hired to serve" probably
>> was more what I had in mind.
>>
>> Shoot, the various Lutheran Synods barely talk to each other.
>
> I learnt in high school that when 2 protestants disagree about
> something religious, one will start a new church. One protestant
> church split in two over the question how many angels fit on the point
> of a needle.
>

The only good thing about christianity is that they are so fissile.

On 8/18/2020 5:00 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 10:15:52 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wherever did you get that idea? Sure, some nondenominational
>>>>> churches don't care,
>>>>> but I doubt the Episcopal church would let an ordained Southern
>>>>> Baptist take over
>>>>> one of their churches as its minister. And vice versa.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>> Being an ordained minister is not about taking over churches.
>>>
>>> Yes, that was not the best choice of words.Â* "Being hired to serve"
>>> probably
>>> was more what I had in mind.
>>>
>>> Shoot, the various Lutheran Synods barely talk to each other.
>>
>> I learnt in high school that when 2 protestants disagree about
>> something religious, one will start a new church. One protestant
>> church split in two over the question how many angels fit on the point
>> of a needle.
>>
>
> The only good thing about christianity is that they are so fissile.
>
>

Jesus went into a restaurant and asked "table for 26 please" and the
hostess said, "but there are only 13 of you"
He replied "we are all going to sit on one side"

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:26:18 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/18/2020 5:00 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:24:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 10:15:52 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wherever did you get that idea? Sure, some nondenominational
> >>>>> churches don't care,
> >>>>> but I doubt the Episcopal church would let an ordained Southern
> >>>>> Baptist take over
> >>>>> one of their churches as its minister. And vice versa.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>> Being an ordained minister is not about taking over churches.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, that was not the best choice of words.Â* "Being hired to serve"
> >>> probably
> >>> was more what I had in mind.
> >>>
> >>> Shoot, the various Lutheran Synods barely talk to each other.
> >>
> >> I learnt in high school that when 2 protestants disagree about
> >> something religious, one will start a new church. One protestant
> >> church split in two over the question how many angels fit on the point
> >> of a needle.
> >>
> >
> > The only good thing about christianity is that they are so fissile.
> >
> >
>
> Jesus went into a restaurant and asked "table for 26 please" and the
> hostess said, "but there are only 13 of you"
> He replied "we are all going to sit on one side"

That's a pretty funny joke. One of these days, I'd like to have a party and have everybody sit on one side of the table. That would be epic - maybe even biblical.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> ...a Buddhist monk. Those monks are intimidating and a little
> scary. Maybe they know kung fu and can kill you with their
> little finger.

Buddhist monks are the friendliest of the religious people.
They even walk carefully as to not step on and kill insects.
They value all life.

The kung fu is fun to do and *something* to do rather than
just chant all the time. Good for defense too. One must
protect oneself from evil.

I say they are very friendly...just don't mess with them.
It's a "speak softly and carry a big stick" thing.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Jesus went into a restaurant and asked "table for 26 please" and the
> hostess said, "but there are only 13 of you"
> He replied "we are all going to sit on one side"

Too funny. My Mom is now super religious and constantly trying
to save me. (sigh). I didn't grow up in a religious family
but after I moved away from home, they moved West into the
bible belt. Now they are all obscessed with it and I'm the
black sheep. Looks like I left home just in the nick of
time. Whew!

Anyway, I've got to tell her that joke next weekend.
Hope it doesn't offend her. Blasphemy and all that.

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 2:36:55 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > ...a Buddhist monk. Those monks are intimidating and a little
> > scary. Maybe they know kung fu and can kill you with their
> > little finger.
>
> Buddhist monks are the friendliest of the religious people.
> They even walk carefully as to not step on and kill insects.
> They value all life.
>
> The kung fu is fun to do and *something* to do rather than
> just chant all the time. Good for defense too. One must
> protect oneself from evil.
>
> I say they are very friendly...just don't mess with them.
> It's a "speak softly and carry a big stick" thing.

I'll sometimes see them walking about doing normal people stuff like going food shopping. I suppose they just buy vegetables and maybe Pop-Tarts and Kool-ade. They don't seem especially friendly but I'll try making eye contact and giving them a "howzit" the next time I come across them.

On 8/17/2020 5:26 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:21:17 -0600, graham wrote:
>
>> When I was a child, my grandfather (a highly ethical and honest
>> businessman) warned me never to trust overtly religious people in
>> business dealings. Where we lived, he meant fundamentalist xtians. He
>> told me that they will *always* try to swindle you.
>
> Which is true. I used to work for a pastor. He'd even rip off his
> own family. And after I left the company I found out he never paid
> my portion of the social security taxes - for anybody in the
> company.
>
> -sw
>
Don't let us forget 'Angel Food Ministries'. Yeah, they were greedy
"angels".

Jill

On 8/18/2020 6:53 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I had a co-worker who was ordained in at least a half dozen churches.
>
> An ordained minister is an ordained minister. Good for all
> churches.
>
That is absolutely not true.

Jill

On 8/17/2020 11:38 PM, Opinicus wrote:
>
> Far from "evil" I believe that vegetarians and vegetarianism should be
> supported and encouraged. It helps keep meat prices down for the rest
> of us.
>
As the end of summer approaches I'm looking forward to grilling some
bratwurst alongside sliced yellow crookneck and zucchini squash.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/18/2020 6:53 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a co-worker who was ordained in at least a half dozen
>>> churches.
>>
>> An ordained minister is an ordained minister. Good for all
>> churches.
>>
> That is absolutely not true.
>
> Jill

It's real easy to get ordained. I did it once just for kicks, but
never preached, nor collected money for the church.

All religion is business, fueled by money, like any other business.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 8/18/2020 6:53 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> I had a co-worker who was ordained in at least a half dozen churches.
> >
> > An ordained minister is an ordained minister. Good for all
> > churches.
> >
> That is absolutely not true.

Good for all protestant churches. It's up to the individual
churches to want you or not, depending on the individual
church beliefs and they do vary.

An ordained minister just knows the bible well.

My father was an ordained minister. The real kind with a
4 year degree from a seminary school after high school.
He ended up working for the defense dept but he did occasionally
do guest preaching at churches.

He took me along with him one Sunday when he was the
guest preacher at a "church for the deaf." That was
very weird and yes, he knew sign language. Darn smarty
pants.

On 8/20/2020 10:48 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 8/18/2020 6:53 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a co-worker who was ordained in at least a half dozen churches.
>>>
>>> An ordained minister is an ordained minister. Good for all
>>> churches.
>>>
>> That is absolutely not true.
>
> Good for all protestant churches. It's up to the individual
> churches to want you or not, depending on the individual
> church beliefs and they do vary.
>
> An ordained minister just knows the bible well.
>
> My father was an ordained minister. The real kind with a
> 4 year degree from a seminary school after high school.
> He ended up working for the defense dept but he did occasionally
> do guest preaching at churches.
>
> He took me along with him one Sunday when he was the
> guest preacher at a "church for the deaf." That was
> very weird and yes, he knew sign language. Darn smarty
> pants.
>
My father knew sign language, too. When he was in high school he was
friends with a deaf boy who lived down the street. He made a point of
learning sign language so he could communicate with him. None of the
other kids (or teachers) bothered. They treated that boy like he was
retarded.

Jill