On 2020 Aug 2, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> You're basically a richer Brazil.

Which makes sense. Brazil is the richest country in South America. Holland is
richer than Monaco and Australia is richer than New Zealand. See how that
works?

On Sun, 02 Aug 2020 18:16:04 -0700, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Aug 2, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> You're basically a richer Brazil.
>
>Which makes sense. Brazil is the richest country in South America. Holland is
>richer than Monaco and Australia is richer than New Zealand. See how that
>works?

There's a bit more to Brazil than how rich or poor they are. You're
not American by any chance?

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 6:45:28 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 08:31:47 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:42:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >
> >>In article >, says...
> >>> >Sounds like kangaroos are just as stupid as moose when it comes
> >>> >to avoiding cars.
> >>>
> >>> They have that stupid tendency to run in front of you, rather than run
> >>> away from you. Especially at night when they get dazzled by lights. A
> >>> lot of animals do this, I'm curious to know the reason behind it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Animals which are active between dawn and dusk have an extra adaptive
> >>layer of cells between the lens and retina. This tapetum lucidum acts
> >>as a light reflector enhances visual sensitivity in darkness and low
> >>light conditions (hence "cats can see in the dark ")
> >>
> >>
> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapetum_lucidum
> >>.
> >> At night, a sudden change in illumination saturates the animal
> >>retina rendering the animal instantly blind.
> >
> >Thanks for the link Janet.
>
> "There is a car coming towards me. It's blinding me. You know what? I
> ain't gonna move." That's still strange logic.

It's not logic. They aren't equipped by evolution to recognize the
threat involved.

Nor are they equipped to recognize the inherent threat in something
moving 70 mph.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 02:49:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 6:45:28 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 08:31:47 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:42:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article >, says...
>> >>> >Sounds like kangaroos are just as stupid as moose when it comes
>> >>> >to avoiding cars.
>> >>>
>> >>> They have that stupid tendency to run in front of you, rather than run
>> >>> away from you. Especially at night when they get dazzled by lights. A
>> >>> lot of animals do this, I'm curious to know the reason behind it.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Animals which are active between dawn and dusk have an extra adaptive
>> >>layer of cells between the lens and retina. This tapetum lucidum acts
>> >>as a light reflector enhances visual sensitivity in darkness and low
>> >>light conditions (hence "cats can see in the dark ")
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapetum_lucidum
>> >>.
>> >> At night, a sudden change in illumination saturates the animal
>> >>retina rendering the animal instantly blind.
>> >
>> >Thanks for the link Janet.
>>
>> "There is a car coming towards me. It's blinding me. You know what? I
>> ain't gonna move." That's still strange logic.
>
>It's not logic. They aren't equipped by evolution to recognize the
>threat involved.
>
>Nor are they equipped to recognize the inherent threat in something
>moving 70 mph.

You take me a bit literally.

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 6:16:10 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 02:49:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 6:45:28 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 08:31:47 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:42:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>In article >, says....
> >> >>> >Sounds like kangaroos are just as stupid as moose when it comes
> >> >>> >to avoiding cars.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> They have that stupid tendency to run in front of you, rather than run
> >> >>> away from you. Especially at night when they get dazzled by lights.. A
> >> >>> lot of animals do this, I'm curious to know the reason behind it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Animals which are active between dawn and dusk have an extra adaptive
> >> >>layer of cells between the lens and retina. This tapetum lucidum acts
> >> >>as a light reflector enhances visual sensitivity in darkness and low
> >> >>light conditions (hence "cats can see in the dark ")
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapetum_lucidum
> >> >>.
> >> >> At night, a sudden change in illumination saturates the animal
> >> >>retina rendering the animal instantly blind.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for the link Janet.
> >>
> >> "There is a car coming towards me. It's blinding me. You know what? I
> >> ain't gonna move." That's still strange logic.
> >
> >It's not logic. They aren't equipped by evolution to recognize the
> >threat involved.
> >
> >Nor are they equipped to recognize the inherent threat in something
> >moving 70 mph.
>
> You take me a bit literally.

In the absense of vocal tone and body language, that tends to happen
on Usenet. Use some emoticons.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 03:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 6:16:10 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 02:49:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 6:45:28 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 08:31:47 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:42:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>In article >, says...
>> >> >>> >Sounds like kangaroos are just as stupid as moose when it comes
>> >> >>> >to avoiding cars.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> They have that stupid tendency to run in front of you, rather than run
>> >> >>> away from you. Especially at night when they get dazzled by lights. A
>> >> >>> lot of animals do this, I'm curious to know the reason behind it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Animals which are active between dawn and dusk have an extra adaptive
>> >> >>layer of cells between the lens and retina. This tapetum lucidum acts
>> >> >>as a light reflector enhances visual sensitivity in darkness and low
>> >> >>light conditions (hence "cats can see in the dark ")
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapetum_lucidum
>> >> >>.
>> >> >> At night, a sudden change in illumination saturates the animal
>> >> >>retina rendering the animal instantly blind.
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks for the link Janet.
>> >>
>> >> "There is a car coming towards me. It's blinding me. You know what? I
>> >> ain't gonna move." That's still strange logic.
>> >
>> >It's not logic. They aren't equipped by evolution to recognize the
>> >threat involved.
>> >
>> >Nor are they equipped to recognize the inherent threat in something
>> >moving 70 mph.
>>
>> You take me a bit literally.
>
>In the absense of vocal tone and body language, that tends to happen
>on Usenet. Use some emoticons.

Jebus was puzzled by kangaroos' behaviour. Janet UK tried to explain
said behaviour. I still agreed with Jebus that it was strange
behaviour. But I know that kangaroos and other animals don't always
follow human logic. They also don't cross the road at a pedestrian
crossing.

On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 02:49:10 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> It's not logic. They aren't equipped by evolution to recognize the
> threat involved.
>
> Nor are they equipped to recognize the inherent threat in something
> moving 70 mph.

The instinctual 'logic' is that whatever caused my blindness (usually
lightning) has caused similar blindness in any other animals present. So
it's best to use my ears & nose to identify threats.

I quote 'logic' because evolution is not a deductive process. From the
animals subjective point of view it is also not a logical process. The
original threat, plus fear after going blind releases adrenaline. The
animal is now operating on instincts triggered by mortal fear. The best
defence is to stay still and lash out with maximum force against anything
that gets close enough to ascertain its position.

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 5:19:12 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
....
>
> In the absense of vocal tone and body language, that tends to happen
> on Usenet. Use some emoticons.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Yep, that's why Computer Nerds invented emoticons! To impart emotion to their otherwise lifeless ASCII text.

John Kuthe...

On 2020-08-03 8:18 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 02:49:10 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> It's not logic. They aren't equipped by evolution to recognize the
>> threat involved.
>>
>> Nor are they equipped to recognize the inherent threat in something
>> moving 70 mph.
>
> The instinctual 'logic' is that whatever caused my blindness (usually
> lightning) has caused similar blindness in any other animals present. So
> it's best to use my ears & nose to identify threats.
>
> I quote 'logic' because evolution is not a deductive process. From the
> animals subjective point of view it is also not a logical process. The
> original threat, plus fear after going blind releases adrenaline. The
> animal is now operating on instincts triggered by mortal fear. The best
> defence is to stay still and lash out with maximum force against anything
> that gets close enough to ascertain its position.
>

A critter that has good night vision is likely blinded by the light they
are looking at, so when they look away they don't see much at all.
Standing still is a natural response to a threat and they seem to know
that not moving makes them harder to spot. We have quite a few dear
around here and it is quite common for them to just stand still until
you are close enough for them to incite them to flee.

FWIW...a couple weeks ago I was out on the motorcycle when I spotted
what looked like a small deer walking across the road with a fox. I
slowed down and stopped where there had crossed. It turned out to be a
small doe and her very recently born fawn. The doe was standing being a
clump of brush and the fawn turned and walked toward me. Mama was
getting quite frantic so I left.

On 7/31/2020 6:33 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:21:46 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 06:16:20 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Joan wrote:
>>>>> Come November and we'll be discussing the electoral college a.g.a.i.n.
>>>>
>>>> Now that's my laugh for the day, thanks
>>>
>>> I have a feeling that the Electoral College isn't going to
>>> affect the election outcome this year.
>>
>> As in the result will be clearer than that this time? It's important
>> that you, the Average American, says that!
>
> Mr Trump is thinking of delaying the elections due to Covid, he
> pictures himself as a copy of Robert Mugabe.
>
Despite what he thinks, tweets or pronounces on television, he's not
allowed to do that.

Jill

On 7/31/2020 9:16 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 6:34:04 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:21:46 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 06:16:20 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joan wrote:
>>>>>> Come November and we'll be discussing the electoral college a.g.a.i.n.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that's my laugh for the day, thanks
>>>>
>>>> I have a feeling that the Electoral College isn't going to
>>>> affect the election outcome this year.
>>>
>>> As in the result will be clearer than that this time? It's important
>>> that you, the Average American, says that!
>>
>> Mr Trump is thinking of delaying the elections due to Covid, he
>> pictures himself as a copy of Robert Mugabe.
>
> However, the Republican establishment has told him he can't do that.
> Really, the man tweets anything that pops into his little pea brain.
>
> In practical terms, even if he simply tried to persuade governors to
> delay the election, the Democratic governors would tell him to get bent
> and the Republican governors would see that some states were having
> elections and would have no choice but to follow suit.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
It's not up to any state governors. It's a Congressional mandate the
election will be held in November. It's been that way since the 1800's.
The Giant Talking Jackass has no power to change that, no matter what he
tweets.

Jill

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 19:25:17 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/31/2020 6:33 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:21:46 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 06:16:20 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joan wrote:
>>>>>> Come November and we'll be discussing the electoral college a.g.a.i.n.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that's my laugh for the day, thanks
>>>>
>>>> I have a feeling that the Electoral College isn't going to
>>>> affect the election outcome this year.
>>>
>>> As in the result will be clearer than that this time? It's important
>>> that you, the Average American, says that!
>>
>> Mr Trump is thinking of delaying the elections due to Covid, he
>> pictures himself as a copy of Robert Mugabe.
>>
>Despite what he thinks, tweets or pronounces on television, he's not
>allowed to do that.
>
>Jill

He has done many things one never thought a POTUS would do!

On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 18:59:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-08-02 6:31 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 16:42:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>> Sounds like kangaroos are just as stupid as moose when it comes
>>>>> to avoiding cars.
>>>>
>>>> They have that stupid tendency to run in front of you, rather than run
>>>> away from you. Especially at night when they get dazzled by lights. A
>>>> lot of animals do this, I'm curious to know the reason behind it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Animals which are active between dawn and dusk have an extra adaptive
>>> layer of cells between the lens and retina. This tapetum lucidum acts
>>> as a light reflector enhances visual sensitivity in darkness and low
>>> light conditions (hence "cats can see in the dark ")
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapetum_lucidum
>>> .
>>> At night, a sudden change in illumination saturates the animal
>>> retina rendering the animal instantly blind.
>>
>> Thanks for the link Janet.
>>
>
>One of the Danish Resistance members who helped my father to escape used
>that trick. While Dad and his fellow escapee were getting ready to
>leave by kayak she and a friend approached the guard on the beach and
>asked for a light. The flare of the match was their signal to leave and
>the guard was momentarily blinded.

Good strategy.