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On 2020-04-07 10:53 a.m., wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 10:39:10 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 11:22:51 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
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>>> The other day I made a couple of kg of bread dough from a newly opened
>>> bag of flour.
>>> I used a 250ml measuring cup as a handy scoop to put the flour into a
>>> bowl on the scale and was astounded when it weighed 175g. A lot of US
>>> recipes use a 4oz/114g equivalence for a US 236ml cup but as many
>>> devotees of weighing will attest, it all depends on how you fill the cup.
>>> That 175g measure equates to 168g for a 236ml US cup.
>>> I then used a whisk to stir up the flour in the bag and spooned the
>>> flour to fill the cup. That weighed 134g (126g US).
>>> No wonder my elderly neighbour complained that she couldn't make decent
>>> pastry as she used volume measure.

>>
>> I favor appropriate technology for the task. Volumetric measurements
>> are fine for crumble, chocolate chip cookies, brownies, and a host
>> of other things. I use mass for pizza dough. If I made bread, I'd
>> use mass for that, too.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>

> I'm no baker even by mud pie makers standards but I've watched enough baking
> shows to know that for bread they *always* advocate weighing your ingredients.
> But for cookies, pies and such the regular measuring cup method has worked
> wonders for years. And if F Murtz is so disconcerted by the measurements
> for a simple American recipe I'd suggest s/he pass on by any recipes from
> the other side of the pond.
>

Funnily enough, Joan, you can make a *very* acceptable loaf of bread "by
eye" but for pastry and cakes, and even cookies, weighing is preferable,
even essential. As Emeril used to say: "Baking is chemistry" and he
always weighed when he baked on his TV show.
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On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 1:21:41 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> On 2020-04-07 10:53 a.m., wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 10:39:10 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 11:22:51 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> >>
> >>> The other day I made a couple of kg of bread dough from a newly opened
> >>> bag of flour.
> >>> I used a 250ml measuring cup as a handy scoop to put the flour into a
> >>> bowl on the scale and was astounded when it weighed 175g. A lot of US
> >>> recipes use a 4oz/114g equivalence for a US 236ml cup but as many
> >>> devotees of weighing will attest, it all depends on how you fill the cup.
> >>> That 175g measure equates to 168g for a 236ml US cup.
> >>> I then used a whisk to stir up the flour in the bag and spooned the
> >>> flour to fill the cup. That weighed 134g (126g US).
> >>> No wonder my elderly neighbour complained that she couldn't make decent
> >>> pastry as she used volume measure.
> >>
> >> I favor appropriate technology for the task. Volumetric measurements
> >> are fine for crumble, chocolate chip cookies, brownies, and a host
> >> of other things. I use mass for pizza dough. If I made bread, I'd
> >> use mass for that, too.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>

> > I'm no baker even by mud pie makers standards but I've watched enough baking
> > shows to know that for bread they *always* advocate weighing your ingredients.
> > But for cookies, pies and such the regular measuring cup method has worked
> > wonders for years. And if F Murtz is so disconcerted by the measurements
> > for a simple American recipe I'd suggest s/he pass on by any recipes from
> > the other side of the pond.
> >

> Funnily enough, Joan, you can make a *very* acceptable loaf of bread "by
> eye" but for pastry and cakes, and even cookies, weighing is preferable,
> even essential.


Oh, c'mon. Cookies? Maybe some really fancy ones, but the most popular
cookie recipe in the U.S. (probably North America) doesn't care. I could
probably be off by 20% on flour for chocolate chip cookies, and they'd be
just fine.

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On 4/7/2020 1:52 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 1:21:41 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>> On 2020-04-07 10:53 a.m., wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 10:39:10 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 11:22:51 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The other day I made a couple of kg of bread dough from a newly opened
>>>>> bag of flour.
>>>>> I used a 250ml measuring cup as a handy scoop to put the flour into a
>>>>> bowl on the scale and was astounded when it weighed 175g. A lot of US
>>>>> recipes use a 4oz/114g equivalence for a US 236ml cup but as many
>>>>> devotees of weighing will attest, it all depends on how you fill the cup.
>>>>> That 175g measure equates to 168g for a 236ml US cup.
>>>>> I then used a whisk to stir up the flour in the bag and spooned the
>>>>> flour to fill the cup. That weighed 134g (126g US).
>>>>> No wonder my elderly neighbour complained that she couldn't make decent
>>>>> pastry as she used volume measure.
>>>>
>>>> I favor appropriate technology for the task. Volumetric measurements
>>>> are fine for crumble, chocolate chip cookies, brownies, and a host
>>>> of other things. I use mass for pizza dough. If I made bread, I'd
>>>> use mass for that, too.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> I'm no baker even by mud pie makers standards but I've watched enough baking
>>> shows to know that for bread they *always* advocate weighing your ingredients.
>>> But for cookies, pies and such the regular measuring cup method has worked
>>> wonders for years. And if F Murtz is so disconcerted by the measurements
>>> for a simple American recipe I'd suggest s/he pass on by any recipes from
>>> the other side of the pond.
>>>

>> Funnily enough, Joan, you can make a *very* acceptable loaf of bread "by
>> eye" but for pastry and cakes, and even cookies, weighing is preferable,
>> even essential.

>
> Oh, c'mon. Cookies? Maybe some really fancy ones, but the most popular
> cookie recipe in the U.S. (probably North America) doesn't care. I could
> probably be off by 20% on flour for chocolate chip cookies, and they'd be
> just fine.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Wait, you don't count out the chocolate chips?

I can see the importance of accuracy for repeatability, especially in a
commercial setting. Weight is marginally more accurate than volume.
For the typical home baker no one is going to know if you were off a
bit. A few moths back my daughter made my favorite cake for my birthday
and missed putting in the milk. Sure, it was different but still pretty
good as it has a lot of butter in it to work.
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