On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> On 2019-12-19 12:09 p.m., Pamela wrote:
>>> On 16:04 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2019-12-19 6:14 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 9:26:34 PM UTC-5, Bruce
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 18:19:04 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 8:22:30 AM UTC-6,
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I won't have to cook later. Just heat those up with
>>>>>>>>> another veg or two.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I've been looking at re-runs of 'Dallas' (from the
>>>>>>>> early 80's) and I wonder how roast beef would taste smoked
>>>>>>>> for several days. Like BBQ brisket?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I liked the very FIRST Dallas episode where Lucy was called
>>>>>>> "Juicy Lucy" because SHE WAS! But she got super popular so
>>>>>>> they had to clean her up! :-( What a loss an a waste that
>>>>>>> was! :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She was dating a guy, forgot his name, who later turned out to
>>>>>> be her uncle. The first celebration of incest on American
>>>>>> television!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nighttime television, perhaps. I'd be surprised if the daytime
>>>>> soap operas hadn't used the incest gambit long before Dallas
>>>>> did.
>>>>>
>>>> But but.... Dallas was a soap opera, as were Sons of Anarchy and
>>>> Breaking Bad.
>>>
>>> I skipped by Sons of Anarchy when it came up on Netflix as it looked
>>> like a violent reality tv show, although my nephew seems to delight
>>> in following it.
>>>
>>> Didn't know it was more like a soap.
>>
>>
>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil, some
>> somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance and sex,
>> betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the characters are down
>> right evil while others are shown to be capable of doing bad.
>
>I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that may not
>the best description.

Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do with
a soap.

On 2019 Dec 19, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, >
> wrote:
> > I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that may not
> > the best description.
>
> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do with
> a soap.

How about a dope soap?

leo

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:24:05 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2019 Dec 19, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, >
>> wrote:
>> > I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that may not
>> > the best description.
>>
>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do with
>> a soap.
>
>How about a dope soap?

Soaps are about relationships. Who gets it on with whom and who cheats
on whom. They're not about the trials and tribulations of producing
and selling drugs, are they?

On 2019 Dec 20, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

>
> Soaps are about relationships. Who gets it on with whom and who cheats
> on whom.

Yes.
> They're not about the trials and tribulations of producing
> and selling drugs, are they?

Dunno. Could be. Why not? Do they bridge the gap between drama and
melodrama? Is that important? I think we can eliminate adventure, comedy,
mystery, fantasy, musical and sci-fi for Breaking Bad. Whats left? Dope
soap. I just like the sound of it.

leo

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:55:23 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2019 Dec 20, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>>
>> Soaps are about relationships. Who gets it on with whom and who cheats
>> on whom.
>
>Yes.
>> They're not about the trials and tribulations of producing
>> and selling drugs, are they?
>
>Dunno. Could be. Why not? Do they bridge the gap between drama and
>melodrama? Is that important? I think we can eliminate adventure, comedy,
>mystery, fantasy, musical and sci-fi for Breaking Bad. Whats left? Dope
>soap. I just like the sound of it.

I'd call it crime. Let's see what IMDB says:

Crime, Drama, Thriller

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903747

On 2019 Dec 20, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> I'd call it crime. Let's see what IMDB says:
>
> Crime, Drama, Thriller
>
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903747

Thats what I told you. crime, drama, thriller == dope soap.

leo

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 01:25:29 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2019 Dec 20, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> I'd call it crime. Let's see what IMDB says:
>>
>> Crime, Drama, Thriller
>>
>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903747
>
>Thats what I told you. crime, drama, thriller == dope soap.

You win.

On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-12-19 12:09 p.m., Pamela wrote:
>>>> On 16:04 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2019-12-19 6:14 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 9:26:34 PM UTC-5, Bruce
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 18:19:04 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 8:22:30 AM UTC-6,
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I won't have to cook later. Just heat those up with
>>>>>>>>>> another veg or two.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I've been looking at re-runs of 'Dallas' (from the
>>>>>>>>> early 80's) and I wonder how roast beef would taste smoked
>>>>>>>>> for several days. Like BBQ brisket?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I liked the very FIRST Dallas episode where Lucy was called
>>>>>>>> "Juicy Lucy" because SHE WAS! But she got super popular so
>>>>>>>> they had to clean her up! :-( What a loss an a waste that
>>>>>>>> was! :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She was dating a guy, forgot his name, who later turned out to
>>>>>>> be her uncle. The first celebration of incest on American
>>>>>>> television!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nighttime television, perhaps. I'd be surprised if the daytime
>>>>>> soap operas hadn't used the incest gambit long before Dallas
>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>
>>>>> But but.... Dallas was a soap opera, as were Sons of Anarchy and
>>>>> Breaking Bad.
>>>>
>>>> I skipped by Sons of Anarchy when it came up on Netflix as it looked
>>>> like a violent reality tv show, although my nephew seems to delight
>>>> in following it.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't know it was more like a soap.
>>>
>>>
>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil, some
>>> somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance and sex,
>>> betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the characters are down
>>> right evil while others are shown to be capable of doing bad.
>>
>>I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that may not
>>the best description.
>
> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do with
> a soap.

You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its marital
crises pure soap?

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil, some
>>>> somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance and sex,
>>>> betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the characters are down
>>>> right evil while others are shown to be capable of doing bad.
>>>
>>>I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that may not
>>>the best description.
>>
>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do with
>> a soap.
>
>You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its marital
>crises pure soap?

That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
And I don't say this as a huge fan. I rated it 7/10 in the IMDB.

On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil, some
>>>>> somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance and sex,
>>>>> betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the characters are down
>>>>> right evil while others are shown to be capable of doing bad.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that may not
>>>> the best description.
>>>
>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do with
>>> a soap.
>>
>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its marital
>> crises pure soap?
>
> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.


If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:

>On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>>>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil, some
>>>>>> somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance and sex,
>>>>>> betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the characters are down
>>>>>> right evil while others are shown to be capable of doing bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that may not
>>>>> the best description.
>>>>
>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do with
>>>> a soap.
>>>
>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its marital
>>> crises pure soap?
>>
>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>
>
>If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh

"A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
sentimentality." (Wiki)

It's not a soap opera.

On 12/21/2019 4:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>
>> On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>>>>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil, some
>>>>>>> somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance and sex,
>>>>>>> betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the characters are down
>>>>>>> right evil while others are shown to be capable of doing bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that may not
>>>>>> the best description.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do with
>>>>> a soap.
>>>>
>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its marital
>>>> crises pure soap?
>>>
>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>>
>>
>> If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>
> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
> sentimentality." (Wiki)
>
> It's not a soap opera.
>
You have to consider the origins of the term. It is used generically
now for many serial shows. P & G should have copyrighted the name and
allowed it to be used only when advertised by their products. .

Wiki:
Originally serials were broadcast as fifteen-minute installments each
weekday in daytime slots. In 1956, As the World Turns and The Edge of
Night, both produced by Procter & Gamble Productions, debuted as the
first half-hour soap operas on the CBS television network. All soap
operas broadcast half-hour episodes by the end of the 1960s.

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 17:14:59 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/21/2019 4:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>>>>>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil, some
>>>>>>>> somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance and sex,
>>>>>>>> betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the characters are down
>>>>>>>> right evil while others are shown to be capable of doing bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that may not
>>>>>>> the best description.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do with
>>>>>> a soap.
>>>>>
>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its marital
>>>>> crises pure soap?
>>>>
>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>>
>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
>> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
>> sentimentality." (Wiki)
>>
>> It's not a soap opera.
>>
>You have to consider the origins of the term. It is used generically
>now for many serial shows. P & G should have copyrighted the name and
>allowed it to be used only when advertised by their products. .

I guess it also depends whether killing a psychotic drugs trafficker
is part of one's daily "domestic situation". I don't do it that often.

On 21:55 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>
>>On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>>>>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil,
>>>>>>> some somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance
>>>>>>> and sex, betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the
>>>>>>> characters are down right evil while others are shown to be
>>>>>>> capable of doing bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that
>>>>>> may not the best description.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do
>>>>> with a soap.
>>>>
>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
>>>> marital crises pure soap?
>>>
>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>>
>>
>>If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>
> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
> sentimentality." (Wiki)
>
> It's not a soap opera.

On that basis it is a soap opera. Have you actually seen the series?

On 22:25 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 17:14:59 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 12/21/2019 4:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast
>>>>>>>>> of characters coming in and out of the series, some of them
>>>>>>>>> evil, some somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories,
>>>>>>>>> romance and sex, betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of
>>>>>>>>> the characters are down right evil while others are shown to be
>>>>>>>>> capable of doing bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that
>>>>>>>> may not the best description.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do
>>>>>>> with a soap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
>>>>>> marital crises pure soap?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>>>
>>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
>>> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
>>> sentimentality." (Wiki)
>>>
>>> It's not a soap opera.
>>>
>>You have to consider the origins of the term. It is used generically
>>now for many serial shows. P & G should have copyrighted the name and
>>allowed it to be used only when advertised by their products. .
>
> I guess it also depends whether killing a psychotic drugs trafficker
> is part of one's daily "domestic situation". I don't do it that often.

Although the dominant plot arc is violence and drug manufacturing, the
whole of Walter's domestic situation revolves around relationship
difficulties. It's there are pure soap especially as it contributes
little to the main plot (apart from connecting to the brother in law Hank
and his killing much later).

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I did just read the book 'A Game of Thrones'
> by George R.R. Martin, though.

Is that worth reading, Jill? I have it here.
My son in law accidently left it here many years ago
and told me to just keep it.

It's still here but I've never read it.
Never watched the tv series either.

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 13:12:23 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 22:25 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 17:14:59 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 12/21/2019 4:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast
>>>>>>>>>> of characters coming in and out of the series, some of them
>>>>>>>>>> evil, some somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories,
>>>>>>>>>> romance and sex, betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of
>>>>>>>>>> the characters are down right evil while others are shown to be
>>>>>>>>>> capable of doing bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that
>>>>>>>>> may not the best description.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do
>>>>>>>> with a soap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
>>>>>>> marital crises pure soap?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>>>>
>>>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
>>>> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
>>>> sentimentality." (Wiki)
>>>>
>>>> It's not a soap opera.
>>>>
>>>You have to consider the origins of the term. It is used generically
>>>now for many serial shows. P & G should have copyrighted the name and
>>>allowed it to be used only when advertised by their products. .
>>
>> I guess it also depends whether killing a psychotic drugs trafficker
>> is part of one's daily "domestic situation". I don't do it that often.
>
>Although the dominant plot arc is violence and drug manufacturing, the
>whole of Walter's domestic situation revolves around relationship
>difficulties. It's there are pure soap especially as it contributes
>little to the main plot (apart from connecting to the brother in law Hank
>and his killing much later).

It's mainly about the trials and tribulations of the drugs business.

I'm starting to wonder if you've ever seen a soap. They're those
programs where you never stop when you're zapping.

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:20:23 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 21:55 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>>
>>>On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
>>>>> marital crises pure soap?
>>>>
>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>>>
>>>
>>>If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>>
>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
>> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
>> sentimentality." (Wiki)
>>
>> It's not a soap opera.
>
>On that basis it is a soap opera. Have you actually seen the series?

Every bloody episode. Not everything that deals, among other things,
with human relationships, is a soap

Gary wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > I did just read the book 'A Game of Thrones'
> > by George R.R. Martin, though.
>
> Is that worth reading, Jill? I have it here.
> My son in law accidently left it here many years ago
> and told me to just keep it.
>
> It's still here but I've never read it.
> Never watched the tv series either.

I watched a few minutes, then changed the channel...like all else "fantasy" these days it is *totally* CGI, a kid on any computer could do those special effects...

I'm a huge fan of The Man in the High Castle, the book is one of my faves of the "alternative history" genre...watched the first season but then lost interest. One thing about creating an Axis - occupied USA of 1962 is that people would not be living in nice suburban tract homes and driving cool '57 Chevies and watching Rock Hudson movies or whatever, the only difference in contrast to our real history being Nazi flags all around, etc....simply not believable!

--
Best
Greg

Bruce wrote:
>
> Every bloody episode. Not everything that deals, among other things,
> with human relationships, is a soap

Could be wrong but to me a soap is mainly a show that has
about 3 plots going on. Every episode ends one story but also
starts another story. Result...you always have to watch the
next one to see what happens. They are addictive.

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 14:21:32 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Every bloody episode. Not everything that deals, among other things,
>> with human relationships, is a soap
>
>Could be wrong but to me a soap is mainly a show that has
>about 3 plots going on. Every episode ends one story but also
>starts another story. Result...you always have to watch the
>next one to see what happens. They are addictive.

I'm immune.

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:20:23 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 21:55 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>>
>>>On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>>>>>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil,
>>>>>>>> some somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance
>>>>>>>> and sex, betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the
>>>>>>>> characters are down right evil while others are shown to be
>>>>>>>> capable of doing bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that
>>>>>>> may not the best description.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do
>>>>>> with a soap.
>>>>>
>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
>>>>> marital crises pure soap?
>>>>
>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>>>
>>>
>>>If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>>
>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
>> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
>> sentimentality." (Wiki)
>>
>> It's not a soap opera.
>
>On that basis it is a soap opera. Have you actually seen the series?

I still haven't seen a "Huge beef roast", of even a tiny beef
roast.... and I'm thinking this is aout a soup opera.

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:53:17 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I did just read the book 'A Game of Thrones'
>> by George R.R. Martin, though.
>
>Is that worth reading, Jill? I have it here.
>My son in law accidently left it here many years ago
>and told me to just keep it.
>
>It's still here but I've never read it.
>Never watched the tv series either.

I always thought thrones refered to toilets.

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 3:54:04 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:20:23 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
> >On 21:55 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
> >>>>>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil,
> >>>>>>>> some somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance
> >>>>>>>> and sex, betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the
> >>>>>>>> characters are down right evil while others are shown to be
> >>>>>>>> capable of doing bad.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that
> >>>>>>> may not the best description.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do
> >>>>>> with a soap.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
> >>>>> marital crises pure soap?
> >>>>
> >>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
> >>
> >> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
> >> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
> >> sentimentality." (Wiki)
> >>
> >> It's not a soap opera.
> >
> >On that basis it is a soap opera. Have you actually seen the series?
>
> I still haven't seen a "Huge beef roast", of even a tiny beef
> roast.... and I'm thinking this is aout a soup opera.

If you'll read Julie's original post, her gauge for a huge beef roast
is "bigger than a football".

Not huge in my opinion.

Cindy Hamilton

On 12/22/2019 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 3:54:04 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:20:23 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21:55 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>>>>>>>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil,
>>>>>>>>>> some somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance
>>>>>>>>>> and sex, betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the
>>>>>>>>>> characters are down right evil while others are shown to be
>>>>>>>>>> capable of doing bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that
>>>>>>>>> may not the best description.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do
>>>>>>>> with a soap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
>>>>>>> marital crises pure soap?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>>>>
>>>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
>>>> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
>>>> sentimentality." (Wiki)
>>>>
>>>> It's not a soap opera.
>>>
>>> On that basis it is a soap opera. Have you actually seen the series?
>>
>> I still haven't seen a "Huge beef roast", of even a tiny beef
>> roast.... and I'm thinking this is aout a soup opera.
>
> If you'll read Julie's original post, her gauge for a huge beef roast
> is "bigger than a football".
>
> Not huge in my opinion.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Huge is like what they had at the Beef'N'Beer we went to years ago. A
big steamship round where they cut off as needed for your sandwich.
Good stuff.

I have an 8 1/2 lb. rib eye I'm going to make on the rotisserie on
Christmas day. Big, not huge.

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 15:56:47 -0500, wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:53:17 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> I did just read the book 'A Game of Thrones'
>>> by George R.R. Martin, though.
>>
>>Is that worth reading, Jill? I have it here.
>>My son in law accidently left it here many years ago
>>and told me to just keep it.
>>
>>It's still here but I've never read it.
>>Never watched the tv series either.
>
>I always thought thrones refered to toilets.

Well, that's the closest you'll get to one.

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:46:51 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/22/2019 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 3:54:04 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:20:23 GMT, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 21:55 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
>>>>>>>>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil,
>>>>>>>>>>> some somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance
>>>>>>>>>>> and sex, betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the
>>>>>>>>>>> characters are down right evil while others are shown to be
>>>>>>>>>>> capable of doing bad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that
>>>>>>>>>> may not the best description.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do
>>>>>>>>> with a soap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
>>>>>>>> marital crises pure soap?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>>>>>
>>>>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
>>>>> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
>>>>> sentimentality." (Wiki)
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a soap opera.
>>>>
>>>> On that basis it is a soap opera. Have you actually seen the series?
>>>
>>> I still haven't seen a "Huge beef roast", of even a tiny beef
>>> roast.... and I'm thinking this is aout a soup opera.
>>
>> If you'll read Julie's original post, her gauge for a huge beef roast
>> is "bigger than a football".
>>
>> Not huge in my opinion.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
>Huge is like what they had at the Beef'N'Beer we went to years ago. A
>big steamship round where they cut off as needed for your sandwich.
>Good stuff.
>
>I have an 8 1/2 lb. rib eye I'm going to make on the rotisserie on
>Christmas day. Big, not huge.

8 1/2 lbs is plenty for ten peaple.
For Christmas I'm going to roast a 7lb butt half smaked ham. It won't
all be eaten, most will be frozen for another meal, or two....
probably one other meal and the rest for pea soup. We like ham and
eggs but not bacon... we both detest bacon.

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:
>
> For Christmas I'm going to roast a 7lb butt half smaked ham. It won't
> all be eaten, most will be frozen for another meal, or two....
> probably one other meal and the rest for pea soup. We like ham and
> eggs but not bacon... we both detest bacon.
>
White beans and some that ham cubed and thrown in the pot.

Scalloped potatoes and some of that ham cubed and baked in the dish with
the taters.

Ham sandwiches!

Fried apples, mashed potatoes, and a slice of ham for supper.

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 5:50:07 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:46:51 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 12/22/2019 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 3:54:04 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:20:23 GMT, Pamela >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 21:55 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela >
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith >
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a cast of
> >>>>>>>>>>> characters coming in and out of the series, some of them evil,
> >>>>>>>>>>> some somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love stories, romance
> >>>>>>>>>>> and sex, betrayals, disappearances and deaths. Some of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> characters are down right evil while others are shown to be
> >>>>>>>>>>> capable of doing bad.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although that
> >>>>>>>>>> may not the best description.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do
> >>>>>>>>> with a soap.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
> >>>>>>>> marital crises pure soap?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
> >>>>> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
> >>>>> sentimentality." (Wiki)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's not a soap opera.
> >>>>
> >>>> On that basis it is a soap opera. Have you actually seen the series?
> >>>
> >>> I still haven't seen a "Huge beef roast", of even a tiny beef
> >>> roast.... and I'm thinking this is aout a soup opera.
> >>
> >> If you'll read Julie's original post, her gauge for a huge beef roast
> >> is "bigger than a football".
> >>
> >> Not huge in my opinion.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >
> >Huge is like what they had at the Beef'N'Beer we went to years ago. A
> >big steamship round where they cut off as needed for your sandwich.
> >Good stuff.
> >
> >I have an 8 1/2 lb. rib eye I'm going to make on the rotisserie on
> >Christmas day. Big, not huge.
>
> 8 1/2 lbs is plenty for ten peaple.
> For Christmas I'm going to roast a 7lb butt half smaked ham. It won't
> all be eaten, most will be frozen for another meal, or two....
> probably one other meal and the rest for pea soup. We like ham and
> eggs but not bacon... we both detest bacon.

I got a 9-pounder for 2 people. We'll be eating beef for the rest of
the week and the bones will go for stock.

Cindy Hamilton

Sheldon wrote:
> I always thought thrones refered to toilets.
>

Like this?

https://imgur.com/a/N3fxZ

On 18:19 22 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:20:23 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 21:55 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
>>>>>> marital crises pure soap?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>>>
>>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
>>> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
>>> sentimentality." (Wiki)
>>>
>>> It's not a soap opera.
>>
>>On that basis it is a soap opera. Have you actually seen the series?
>
> Every bloody episode. Not everything that deals, among other things,
> with human relationships, is a soap

I liked the dodgy lawyer Saul as a character. Jimmy McGill was excellent.
But I as disappointed in the spin off series, Better call Saul. It had its
odd moment of glory but for the most part it was too limp.

It must be me because it's run to 4 seasons. I gave up in season 2.

On 18:16 22 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 13:12:23 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 22:25 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 17:14:59 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 12/21/2019 4:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 06:45 20 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 00:25:08 GMT, Pamela
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 19:25 19 Dec 2019, Dave Smith >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It has all the characteristics of a soap opera. There is a
>>>>>>>>>>> cast of characters coming in and out of the series, some of
>>>>>>>>>>> them evil, some somewhat admirable, parallel sub plots, love
>>>>>>>>>>> stories, romance and sex, betrayals, disappearances and
>>>>>>>>>>> deaths. Some of the characters are down right evil while
>>>>>>>>>>> others are shown to be capable of doing bad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suppose even Breaking Bad could be called a soap although
>>>>>>>>>> that may not the best description.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course not. Not that I'm a huge fan, but BB has nothing to do
>>>>>>>>> with a soap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
>>>>>>>> marital crises pure soap?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long
>>>>>>> shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
>>>>>
>>>>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially
>>>>> with domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama
>>>>> and sentimentality." (Wiki)
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a soap opera.
>>>>>
>>>>You have to consider the origins of the term. It is used generically
>>>>now for many serial shows. P & G should have copyrighted the name and
>>>>allowed it to be used only when advertised by their products. .
>>>
>>> I guess it also depends whether killing a psychotic drugs trafficker
>>> is part of one's daily "domestic situation". I don't do it that often.
>>
>>Although the dominant plot arc is violence and drug manufacturing, the
>>whole of Walter's domestic situation revolves around relationship
>>difficulties. It's there are pure soap especially as it contributes
>>little to the main plot (apart from connecting to the brother in law
>>Hank and his killing much later).
>
> It's mainly about the trials and tribulations of the drugs business.
>
> I'm starting to wonder if you've ever seen a soap. They're those
> programs where you never stop when you're zapping.

Overwhelmed man living in the suburbs disgnosed with terminal cancer tries
to look after his family while enduring a series of melodramatic
encounters in which the players have strong characterisation. He keep his
big secret away from his unsupportive wife and crippled son and especially
from his FBI brother in law. Uses his chenistry skills but sadly drifts
onto the wrong side of the law. Each episode finishes with a cliffhander
to make sure the viewer comes back for more.

Some parts sound melodramatic and soapy. The unusual high-res camera
angles and regular violence don't change that.

On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 17:03:13 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 18:16 22 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> It's mainly about the trials and tribulations of the drugs business.
>>
>> I'm starting to wonder if you've ever seen a soap. They're those
>> programs where you never stop when you're zapping.
>
>Overwhelmed man living in the suburbs disgnosed with terminal cancer tries
>to look after his family while enduring a series of melodramatic
>encounters in which the players have strong characterisation. He keep his
>big secret away from his unsupportive wife and crippled son and especially
>from his FBI brother in law. Uses his chenistry skills but sadly drifts
>onto the wrong side of the law. Each episode finishes with a cliffhander
>to make sure the viewer comes back for more.
>
>Some parts sound melodramatic and soapy. The unusual high-res camera
>angles and regular violence don't change that.

Then everything is a soap. No problem. We just redefine what "soap"
means so it covers all TV shows ever made.

On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:54:54 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 18:19 22 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:20:23 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 21:55 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not a soap opera.
>>>
>>>On that basis it is a soap opera. Have you actually seen the series?
>>
>> Every bloody episode. Not everything that deals, among other things,
>> with human relationships, is a soap
>
>I liked the dodgy lawyer Saul as a character. Jimmy McGill was excellent.
>But I as disappointed in the spin off series, Better call Saul. It had its
>odd moment of glory but for the most part it was too limp.
>
>It must be me because it's run to 4 seasons. I gave up in season 2.

I watched it. I didn't love it, but I thought it was ok. Same with
Breaking Bad.

On 12/22/2019 12:53 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I did just read the book 'A Game of Thrones'
>> by George R.R. Martin, though.
>
> Is that worth reading, Jill? I have it here.
> My son in law accidently left it here many years ago
> and told me to just keep it.
>
> It's still here but I've never read it.
> Never watched the tv series either.
>
I found it to be a fun read, Gary. Probably because I didn't see the TV
series so I didn't have any predisposed notions about it.

Jill

On 19:19 23 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 17:03:13 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 18:16 22 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> It's mainly about the trials and tribulations of the drugs business.
>>>
>>> I'm starting to wonder if you've ever seen a soap. They're those
>>> programs where you never stop when you're zapping.
>>
>>Overwhelmed man living in the suburbs disgnosed with terminal cancer tries
>>to look after his family while enduring a series of melodramatic
>>encounters in which the players have strong characterisation. He keep his
>>big secret away from his unsupportive wife and crippled son and especially
>>from his FBI brother in law. Uses his chenistry skills but sadly drifts
>>onto the wrong side of the law. Each episode finishes with a cliffhander
>>to make sure the viewer comes back for more.
>>
>>Some parts sound melodramatic and soapy. The unusual high-res camera
>>angles and regular violence don't change that.
>
> Then everything is a soap. No problem. We just redefine what "soap"
> means so it covers all TV shows ever made.

Yunno, I was wondering exactly that. I think my definition may be a bit too
wide and that not all melodrama is soap.

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 11:54:57 AM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
> On 18:19 22 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:20:23 GMT, Pamela >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On 21:55 21 Dec 2019, Bruce > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:47:12 -0700, jay > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On 12/20/19 3:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:37:58 GMT, Pamela >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You wouldn't call the subplot of Walter's domestic life and its
> >>>>>> marital crises pure soap?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's not enough to call the whole show a soap. Not by a long shot.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>If they advertise soap it can be called a soap opera. duh
> >>>
> >>> "A soap opera is a radio or television serial dealing especially with
> >>> domestic situations and frequently characterized by melodrama and
> >>> sentimentality." (Wiki)
> >>>
> >>> It's not a soap opera.
> >>
> >>On that basis it is a soap opera. Have you actually seen the series?
> >
> > Every bloody episode. Not everything that deals, among other things,
> > with human relationships, is a soap
>
> I liked the dodgy lawyer Saul as a character. Jimmy McGill was excellent.
> But I as disappointed in the spin off series, Better call Saul. It had its
> odd moment of glory but for the most part it was too limp.
>
> It must be me because it's run to 4 seasons. I gave up in season 2.

And a little bingeing wouldn't take long to catch up.

On 2019 Dec 24, , Pamela wrote
(in article >):

> On 19:19 23 Dec 2019, > wrote:
> > Then everything is a soap. No problem. We just redefine what "soap"
> > means so it covers all TV shows ever made.
>
> Yunno, I was wondering exactly that. I think my definition may be a bit too
> wide and that not all melodrama is soap.

It turns out that Walter White didnt really have cancer. He was too full
of midichlorians which makes €œBreaking Bad€� a space dope soap. Im
hearing that €œThe Rise of Skywalker€� might be one too.
Google "space opera" for even more confusion.

leo