Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the floor,
his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story as there
was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes, there had been
oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long time to clean it up.
So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact that other things in the
kitchen were damaged and he claimed those damages were related to the
shattered oven door, but they couldn't possibly be. I am not going to get
into that!

I finally have my kitchen back after his hideous foray into cooking. But...
No oven. I have the low end, GE, self cleaning one and it's about 15 years
old. So I think it would be better for me to replace it rather than repair
the door. Still shopping around.

That being said, in researching shattered oven doors, it's a fairly common
thing and the incidents of it happening are on the rise! The first I heard
of this was last year at about this time when my friend got a new, high end
oven. She was looking forward to cooking the holiday meal, and the day
before the holiday, the glass shattered. The oven wasn't on and thankfully
no one was near it. My friend makes everything from scratch so they had a
very disappointing holiday meal as she was unable to bake anything.
Thankfully she had already made her cookies.

Just spoke to another friend who said there was a segment on the news about
shattered oven doors being on the rise. But the reason is unclear. My
research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and perhaps
we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or two before the
incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.

Anyone here ever have this happen? Or have you heard of it? Makes me want to
buy some cheap thing with no glass in the door but they don't seem to make
them that way any more. I did have one many years ago and mostly I made
cookies, muffins, cakes and biscuits. My nose always told me when they were
done. It never fails me for things like that.

She who lives here does not cook so I am not too worried about a shattered oven.
I have never seen a shattered oven door.

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 04:38:36 -0800 (PST), Thomas >
wrote:

>She who lives here does not cook so I am not too worried about a shattered oven.
>I have never seen a shattered oven door.

Yeah uhh a knee could NOT do that. It would take a hammer or a large
pot.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 04:38:36 -0800 (PST), Thomas >
> wrote:
>
>>She who lives here does not cook so I am not too worried about a shattered
>>oven.
>>I have never seen a shattered oven door.
>
> Yeah uhh a knee could NOT do that. It would take a hammer or a large
> pot.

Not from what I've read online!

Thomas wrote:

> She who lives here does not cook so I am not too worried about a
> shattered oven. I have never seen a shattered oven door.

Never seen one either.

"Thomas" > wrote in message
...
> She who lives here does not cook so I am not too worried about a shattered
> oven.
> I have never seen a shattered oven door.

Well, you're lucky! Was a bitch to clean!

On 11/16/19 10:45 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> My research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and
> perhaps we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or
> two before the incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.

Yep that's what the G says.

Never happened with a good number of ovens we have owned and We have
also never won the lottery.

Sounds like you have a rather high worry quotient. Just replace it and
carry on worrying about something else.

On 11/17/2019 8:34 AM, jay wrote:
> On 11/16/19 10:45 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> My research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and
>> perhaps we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or
>> two before the incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
>
> Yep that's what the G says.
>
> Never happened with a good number of ovens we have owned and We have
> also never won the lottery.
>
> Sounds like you have a rather high worry quotient.* Just replace it and
> carry on worrying about something else.
>
>
Her biggest problem will be finding someone else to move in so she can
complain about them. They would have to be willing to live there
rent-free. Do odd jobs around the house. Move in with a dog and a goat
and share the same food intolerances. Must love rice & beans.

Recenly she posted about shattering glass/pyrex mixing bowls in her
sink. It was strongly suggested she use stainless steel mixing bowls.
Glass and Julie's kitchen do not mix.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/17/2019 8:34 AM, jay wrote:
>> On 11/16/19 10:45 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> My research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and
>>> perhaps we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or
>>> two before the incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
>>
>> Yep that's what the G says.
>>
>> Never happened with a good number of ovens we have owned and We have also
>> never won the lottery.
>>
>> Sounds like you have a rather high worry quotient. Just replace it and
>> carry on worrying about something else.
>>
>>
> Her biggest problem will be finding someone else to move in so she can
> complain about them. They would have to be willing to live there
> rent-free. Do odd jobs around the house. Move in with a dog and a goat
> and share the same food intolerances. Must love rice & beans.
>
> Recenly she posted about shattering glass/pyrex mixing bowls in her sink.
> It was strongly suggested she use stainless steel mixing bowls. Glass and
> Julie's kitchen do not mix.

Angela is welcome to move back in. No one else.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:52:14 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Angela is welcome to move back in. No one else.
>
> Once she and her best friend break up and drop out of nursing
> school. It's inevitable.

Nursing school?

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:17:58 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:52:14 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> Angela is welcome to move back in. No one else.
>>>
>>> Once she and her best friend break up and drop out of nursing
>>> school. It's inevitable.
>>
>> Nursing school?
>
> Yes. Pima Medical Institute, to be exact. From their website:
>
> Programs:
> We offer certificate, associate and bachelor degree programs in
> allied healthcare and nursing.
>
> So what kind of nit are you going to pick about that now? Oh, just
> save it, OK? But you'll pick it anyway. Go ahead... you can do
> it...

She did go here but not for nursing.

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:28:52 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 11/17/2019 8:34 AM, jay wrote:
>> On 11/16/19 10:45 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> My research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and
>>> perhaps we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or
>>> two before the incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
>>
>> Yep that's what the G says.
>>
>> Never happened with a good number of ovens we have owned and We have
>> also never won the lottery.
>>
>> Sounds like you have a rather high worry quotient.Â* Just replace it and
>> carry on worrying about something else.
>>
>>
>Her biggest problem will be finding someone else to move in so she can
>complain about them.

Ask her. She's here.

On 11/17/2019 12:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
> floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story
> as there was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes,
> there had been oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long
> time to clean it up. So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact
> that other things in the kitchen were damaged and he claimed those
> damages were related to the shattered oven door, but they couldn't
> possibly be.
>
I can't help with an oven search but it sounds to me like you're well
rid of the mooch.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/17/2019 12:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
>> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
>> floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story
>> as there was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes,
>> there had been oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long time
>> to clean it up. So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact that
>> other things in the kitchen were damaged and he claimed those damages
>> were related to the shattered oven door, but they couldn't possibly be.
>>
> I can't help with an oven search but it sounds to me like you're well rid
> of the mooch.

I found a couple of apartment sized ones. No glass. They are white, and used
but reconditioned. They are more in my price range. Store wasn't open today
and isn't open tomorrow. I'll go look. They're more in my price range.

On 11/17/2019 10:07 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:56:17 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> I can't help with an oven search but it sounds to me like you're well
>> rid of the mooch.
>
> But the next question is, who will be next? And how will this
> change its posting frequency?
>
> -sw
>
My guess is she'll still need a handyman so she'll invite another
vagrant to move into the "back house" and eventually into her house.
Because she just loves helping people! Of course they'll have to be
interested in eating a lot of rice and beans and have all the same food
intolerances.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/17/2019 10:07 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:56:17 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> I can't help with an oven search but it sounds to me like you're well
>>> rid of the mooch.
>>
>> But the next question is, who will be next? And how will this
>> change its posting frequency?
>>
>> -sw
>>
> My guess is she'll still need a handyman so she'll invite another vagrant
> to move into the "back house" and eventually into her house. Because she
> just loves helping people! Of course they'll have to be interested in
> eating a lot of rice and beans and have all the same food intolerances.

One handyman has already been here. My dryer is working and the locks are
changed but he doesn't do electrical and plumbing. So my old handyman is
coming tomorrow. He's happily married.

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:11:46 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 11/17/2019 10:07 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:56:17 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> I can't help with an oven search but it sounds to me like you're well
>>> rid of the mooch.
>>
>> But the next question is, who will be next? And how will this
>> change its posting frequency?
>>
>> -sw
>>
>My guess is she'll still need a handyman

Ask her. She's here.

"Bruce" wrote in message news
On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:11:46 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 11/17/2019 10:07 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:56:17 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> I can't help with an oven search but it sounds to me like you're well
>>> rid of the mooch.
>>
>> But the next question is, who will be next? And how will this
>> change its posting frequency?
>>
>> -sw
>>
>My guess is she'll still need a handyman

Ask her. She's here.

===

"Bruce" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:11:46 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 11/17/2019 10:07 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:56:17 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't help with an oven search but it sounds to me like you're well
>>>> rid of the mooch.
>>>
>>> But the next question is, who will be next? And how will this
>>> change its posting frequency?
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>>My guess is she'll still need a handyman
>
> Ask her. She's here.

My old Handyman just left. His name is Shawn.

On 05:45 17 Nov 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:

> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
> floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story
> as there was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes,
> there had been oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long
> time to clean it up. So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact
> that other things in the kitchen were damaged and he claimed those
> damages were related to the shattered oven door, but they couldn't
> possibly be. I am not going to get into that!

Why would anyone lie about this? He's admitted to breaking the glass, so why
do you care how exactly how it happened?

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:27:03 GMT, pamela >
wrote:

>On 05:45 17 Nov 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
>> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
>> floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story
>> as there was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes,
>> there had been oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long
>> time to clean it up. So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact
>> that other things in the kitchen were damaged and he claimed those
>> damages were related to the shattered oven door, but they couldn't
>> possibly be. I am not going to get into that!
>
>Why would anyone lie about this? He's admitted to breaking the glass, so why
>do you care how exactly how it happened?

She doesn't. It's really all about the fact that he's left her.

On 22:01 17 Nov 2019, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:27:03 GMT, pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 05:45 17 Nov 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats
>>> now) where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on
>>> the floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this
>>> story as there was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check
>>> this. Yes, there had been oil on the floor two days prior and it took
>>> me a long time to clean it up. So that part, I don't buy. Then there
>>> was the fact that other things in the kitchen were damaged and he
>>> claimed those damages were related to the shattered oven door, but
>>> they couldn't possibly be. I am not going to get into that!
>>
>>Why would anyone lie about this? He's admitted to breaking the glass,
>>so why do you care how exactly how it happened?
>
> She doesn't. It's really all about the fact that he's left her.

The oven door is neither here nor there.

There must have been something to upset him because, as I understand it,
he got cheap food and lodgings.

"pamela" > wrote in message
...
> On 05:45 17 Nov 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
>> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
>> floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story
>> as there was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes,
>> there had been oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long
>> time to clean it up. So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact
>> that other things in the kitchen were damaged and he claimed those
>> damages were related to the shattered oven door, but they couldn't
>> possibly be. I am not going to get into that!
>
> Why would anyone lie about this? He's admitted to breaking the glass, so
> why
> do you care how exactly how it happened?

An accident is one thing. On purpose is another.

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:00:46 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"pamela" > wrote in message
...
>> On 05:45 17 Nov 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
>>> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
>>> floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story
>>> as there was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes,
>>> there had been oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long
>>> time to clean it up. So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact
>>> that other things in the kitchen were damaged and he claimed those
>>> damages were related to the shattered oven door, but they couldn't
>>> possibly be. I am not going to get into that!
>>
>> Why would anyone lie about this? He's admitted to breaking the glass, so
>> why
>> do you care how exactly how it happened?
>
>An accident is one thing. On purpose is another.

You forgot to mention occuring due to stupidity.... in fact most times
it's not an accident, it's stupidity... I seriously doubt it was an on
purpose. No one is stupid on purpose... 'cept maybe Kootchie.

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:00:46 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"pamela" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 05:45 17 Nov 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats
>>>> now)
>>>> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
>>>> floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story
>>>> as there was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes,
>>>> there had been oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long
>>>> time to clean it up. So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact
>>>> that other things in the kitchen were damaged and he claimed those
>>>> damages were related to the shattered oven door, but they couldn't
>>>> possibly be. I am not going to get into that!
>>>
>>> Why would anyone lie about this? He's admitted to breaking the glass,
>>> so
>>> why
>>> do you care how exactly how it happened?
>>
>>An accident is one thing. On purpose is another.
>
> You forgot to mention occuring due to stupidity.... in fact most times
> it's not an accident, it's stupidity... I seriously doubt it was an on
> purpose. No one is stupid on purpose... 'cept maybe Kootchie.

I have reason to believe otherwise. Not gonna get into that.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:00:46 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "pamela" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 05:45* 17 Nov 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the
>>>>> cats now)
>>>>> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil
>>>>> on the
>>>>> floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy
>>>>> this story
>>>>> as there was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check
>>>>> this. Yes,
>>>>> there had been oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a
>>>>> long
>>>>> time to clean it up. So that part, I don't buy. Then there was
>>>>> the fact
>>>>> that other things in the kitchen were damaged and he claimed those
>>>>> damages were related to the shattered oven door, but they couldn't
>>>>> possibly be. I am not going to get into that!
>>>>
>>>> Why would anyone lie about this?* He's admitted to breaking the
>>>> glass, so
>>>> why
>>>> do you care how exactly how it happened?
>>>
>>> An accident is one thing. On purpose is another.
>>
>> You forgot to mention occuring due to stupidity.... in fact most
>> times
>> it's not an accident, it's stupidity... I seriously doubt it was
>> an on
>> purpose.* No one is stupid on purpose... 'cept maybe Kootchie.
>
> I have reason to believe otherwise. Not gonna get into that.

Yoose will need a new gardener. I think Popeye would be an excellent
choice and he's always available.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:38:28 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> You forgot to mention occuring due to stupidity.... in fact most times
>>> it's not an accident, it's stupidity... I seriously doubt it was an on
>>> purpose. No one is stupid on purpose... 'cept maybe Kootchie.
>>
>> I have reason to believe otherwise. Not gonna get into that.
>
> Do you still insist he wasn't doing hard drugs?

I have seen no evidence.

On 10:00 18 Nov 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:

>
> "pamela" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 05:45 17 Nov 2019, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
>>> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
>>> floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story
>>> as there was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes,
>>> there had been oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long
>>> time to clean it up. So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact
>>> that other things in the kitchen were damaged and he claimed those
>>> damages were related to the shattered oven door, but they couldn't
>>> possibly be. I am not going to get into that!
>>
>> Why would anyone lie about this? He's admitted to breaking the glass, so
>> why
>> do you care how exactly how it happened?
>
> An accident is one thing. On purpose is another.

Don't you take Hanlon's Razor into account?

On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:45:14 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
>where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the floor,
>his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story as there
>was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes, there had been
>oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long time to clean it up.
>So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact that other things in the
>kitchen were damaged and he claimed those damages were related to the
>shattered oven door, but they couldn't possibly be. I am not going to get
>into that!
>
>I finally have my kitchen back after his hideous foray into cooking. But...
>No oven. I have the low end, GE, self cleaning one and it's about 15 years
>old. So I think it would be better for me to replace it rather than repair
>the door. Still shopping around.
>
>That being said, in researching shattered oven doors, it's a fairly common
>thing and the incidents of it happening are on the rise! The first I heard
>of this was last year at about this time when my friend got a new, high end
>oven. She was looking forward to cooking the holiday meal, and the day
>before the holiday, the glass shattered. The oven wasn't on and thankfully
>no one was near it. My friend makes everything from scratch so they had a
>very disappointing holiday meal as she was unable to bake anything.
>Thankfully she had already made her cookies.
>
>Just spoke to another friend who said there was a segment on the news about
>shattered oven doors being on the rise. But the reason is unclear. My
>research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and perhaps
>we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or two before the
>incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
>
>Anyone here ever have this happen? Or have you heard of it?

Nrver had it happen or heard of it.... but I suppose it could happen.

>Makes me want to buy some cheap thing with no glass in the door but they don't seem to make
>them that way anymore.

I haven't looked but I'm sure some companies must make oven doors
without a glass window. My GE profile oven door has a glass window,
however in the 20 years I have it I've not once used the glass window
to look inside the oven... it's really just something extra to clean
because even though it has an auto clean function it cleans the oven
but not the glass window.... I still need to use a razor and Windex to
clean that glass... it's a PIA job and it doesn't stay clean very
long. The oven works great but were I to do it again I'd look for one
without a window in the door.... I still need to open the door to
check what's cooking inside.... with a meat thermommeter stuck into a
roast I still need to open the door to read the thermometer. Maybe my
vision has deteriorated. I probably should sget one of those wireless
thermometers that sends the temperature to an external gauge. I still
wouldn't trust it without actually examining the roast and taking its
temperature with my trusty Sponge Bob anal thermometer. LOL

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:45:14 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
>>where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
>>floor,
>>his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story as there
>>was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes, there had
>>been
>>oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long time to clean it up.
>>So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact that other things in
>>the
>>kitchen were damaged and he claimed those damages were related to the
>>shattered oven door, but they couldn't possibly be. I am not going to get
>>into that!
>>
>>I finally have my kitchen back after his hideous foray into cooking.
>>But...
>>No oven. I have the low end, GE, self cleaning one and it's about 15 years
>>old. So I think it would be better for me to replace it rather than repair
>>the door. Still shopping around.
>>
>>That being said, in researching shattered oven doors, it's a fairly common
>>thing and the incidents of it happening are on the rise! The first I heard
>>of this was last year at about this time when my friend got a new, high
>>end
>>oven. She was looking forward to cooking the holiday meal, and the day
>>before the holiday, the glass shattered. The oven wasn't on and thankfully
>>no one was near it. My friend makes everything from scratch so they had a
>>very disappointing holiday meal as she was unable to bake anything.
>>Thankfully she had already made her cookies.
>>
>>Just spoke to another friend who said there was a segment on the news
>>about
>>shattered oven doors being on the rise. But the reason is unclear. My
>>research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and
>>perhaps
>>we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or two before
>>the
>>incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
>>
>>Anyone here ever have this happen? Or have you heard of it?
>
> Nrver had it happen or heard of it.... but I suppose it could happen.
>
>>Makes me want to buy some cheap thing with no glass in the door but they
>>don't seem to make
>>them that way anymore.
>
> I haven't looked but I'm sure some companies must make oven doors
> without a glass window. My GE profile oven door has a glass window,
> however in the 20 years I have it I've not once used the glass window
> to look inside the oven... it's really just something extra to clean
> because even though it has an auto clean function it cleans the oven
> but not the glass window.... I still need to use a razor and Windex to
> clean that glass... it's a PIA job and it doesn't stay clean very
> long. The oven works great but were I to do it again I'd look for one
> without a window in the door.... I still need to open the door to
> check what's cooking inside.... with a meat thermommeter stuck into a
> roast I still need to open the door to read the thermometer. Maybe my
> vision has deteriorated. I probably should sget one of those wireless
> thermometers that sends the temperature to an external gauge. I still
> wouldn't trust it without actually examining the roast and taking its
> temperature with my trusty Sponge Bob anal thermometer. LOL

The only ones I found were apartment size and oddly they are more expensive.
I'm going to look at a few used, refurbished ones. No glass.

On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 7:45:31 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the floor,
> his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story as there
> was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes, there had been
> oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long time to clean it up.
> So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact that other things in the
> kitchen were damaged and he claimed those damages were related to the
> shattered oven door, but they couldn't possibly be. I am not going to get
> into that!
>
> I finally have my kitchen back after his hideous foray into cooking. But...
> No oven. I have the low end, GE, self cleaning one and it's about 15 years
> old. So I think it would be better for me to replace it rather than repair
> the door. Still shopping around.
>
> That being said, in researching shattered oven doors, it's a fairly common
> thing and the incidents of it happening are on the rise! The first I heard
> of this was last year at about this time when my friend got a new, high end
> oven. She was looking forward to cooking the holiday meal, and the day
> before the holiday, the glass shattered. The oven wasn't on and thankfully
> no one was near it. My friend makes everything from scratch so they had a
> very disappointing holiday meal as she was unable to bake anything.
> Thankfully she had already made her cookies.
>
> Just spoke to another friend who said there was a segment on the news about
> shattered oven doors being on the rise. But the reason is unclear. My
> research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and perhaps
> we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or two before the
> incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
>
> Anyone here ever have this happen? Or have you heard of it? Makes me want to
> buy some cheap thing with no glass in the door but they don't seem to make
> them that way any more. I did have one many years ago and mostly I made
> cookies, muffins, cakes and biscuits. My nose always told me when they were
> done. It never fails me for things like that.

This is why we should have cameras inside the oven and ditch the glass in doors. Just put a display on the door or stream the video to your cell phone.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 7:45:31 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
>> where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
>> floor,
>> his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story as there
>> was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes, there had
>> been
>> oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long time to clean it
>> up.
>> So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact that other things in
>> the
>> kitchen were damaged and he claimed those damages were related to the
>> shattered oven door, but they couldn't possibly be. I am not going to get
>> into that!
>>
>> I finally have my kitchen back after his hideous foray into cooking.
>> But...
>> No oven. I have the low end, GE, self cleaning one and it's about 15
>> years
>> old. So I think it would be better for me to replace it rather than
>> repair
>> the door. Still shopping around.
>>
>> That being said, in researching shattered oven doors, it's a fairly
>> common
>> thing and the incidents of it happening are on the rise! The first I
>> heard
>> of this was last year at about this time when my friend got a new, high
>> end
>> oven. She was looking forward to cooking the holiday meal, and the day
>> before the holiday, the glass shattered. The oven wasn't on and
>> thankfully
>> no one was near it. My friend makes everything from scratch so they had a
>> very disappointing holiday meal as she was unable to bake anything.
>> Thankfully she had already made her cookies.
>>
>> Just spoke to another friend who said there was a segment on the news
>> about
>> shattered oven doors being on the rise. But the reason is unclear. My
>> research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and
>> perhaps
>> we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or two before
>> the
>> incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
>>
>> Anyone here ever have this happen? Or have you heard of it? Makes me want
>> to
>> buy some cheap thing with no glass in the door but they don't seem to
>> make
>> them that way any more. I did have one many years ago and mostly I made
>> cookies, muffins, cakes and biscuits. My nose always told me when they
>> were
>> done. It never fails me for things like that.
>
> This is why we should have cameras inside the oven and ditch the glass in
> doors. Just put a display on the door or stream the video to your cell
> phone.

That would be cool!

On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:45:14 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
>where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the floor,
>his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story as there
>was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes, there had been
>oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long time to clean it up.
>So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact that other things in the
>kitchen were damaged and he claimed those damages were related to the
>shattered oven door, but they couldn't possibly be. I am not going to get
>into that!
>
>I finally have my kitchen back after his hideous foray into cooking. But...
>No oven. I have the low end, GE, self cleaning one and it's about 15 years
>old. So I think it would be better for me to replace it rather than repair
>the door. Still shopping around.
>
>That being said, in researching shattered oven doors, it's a fairly common
>thing and the incidents of it happening are on the rise! The first I heard
>of this was last year at about this time when my friend got a new, high end
>oven. She was looking forward to cooking the holiday meal, and the day
>before the holiday, the glass shattered. The oven wasn't on and thankfully
>no one was near it. My friend makes everything from scratch so they had a
>very disappointing holiday meal as she was unable to bake anything.
>Thankfully she had already made her cookies.
>
>Just spoke to another friend who said there was a segment on the news about
>shattered oven doors being on the rise. But the reason is unclear. My
>research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and perhaps
>we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or two before the
>incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
>
>Anyone here ever have this happen? Or have you heard of it? Makes me want to
>buy some cheap thing with no glass in the door but they don't seem to make
>them that way any more. I did have one many years ago and mostly I made
>cookies, muffins, cakes and biscuits. My nose always told me when they were
>done. It never fails me for things like that.


If you do not have one yet I would strongly recommend an airfryer
oven!

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:45:14 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
> >where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the floor,
> >his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story as there
> >was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes, there had been
> >oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long time to clean it up.
> >So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact that other things in the
> >kitchen were damaged and he claimed those damages were related to the
> >shattered oven door, but they couldn't possibly be. I am not going to get
> >into that!
> >
> >I finally have my kitchen back after his hideous foray into cooking. But....
> >No oven. I have the low end, GE, self cleaning one and it's about 15 years
> >old. So I think it would be better for me to replace it rather than repair
> >the door. Still shopping around.
> >
> >That being said, in researching shattered oven doors, it's a fairly common
> >thing and the incidents of it happening are on the rise! The first I heard
> >of this was last year at about this time when my friend got a new, high end
> >oven. She was looking forward to cooking the holiday meal, and the day
> >before the holiday, the glass shattered. The oven wasn't on and thankfully
> >no one was near it. My friend makes everything from scratch so they had a
> >very disappointing holiday meal as she was unable to bake anything.
> >Thankfully she had already made her cookies.
> >
> >Just spoke to another friend who said there was a segment on the news about
> >shattered oven doors being on the rise. But the reason is unclear. My
> >research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and perhaps
> >we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or two before the
> >incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
> >
> >Anyone here ever have this happen? Or have you heard of it? Makes me want to
> >buy some cheap thing with no glass in the door but they don't seem to make
> >them that way any more. I did have one many years ago and mostly I made
> >cookies, muffins, cakes and biscuits. My nose always told me when they were
> >done. It never fails me for things like that.
>
>
> If you do not have one yet I would strongly recommend an airfryer
> oven!
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

I would strongly recommend not getting an airfryer. Unless you're cooking for one, the size of the cooking chamber greatly reduces its usefulness. I don't cook a large quantity of food but the size of my air fryer is frustratingly small. If, however, you like to fiddle and fuss with your food and cooker and enjoy babysitting your food as it's cooking, I suppose you might find the air fryer satisfying.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-10,
wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:45:14 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the cats now)
> >where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped on oil on the
> >floor,
> >his knee hit the door and it shattered. I did not buy this story as there
> >was no oil on the floor. I had Angela double check this. Yes, there had
> >been
> >oil on the floor two days prior and it took me a long time to clean it
> >up.
> >So that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact that other things in
> >the
> >kitchen were damaged and he claimed those damages were related to the
> >shattered oven door, but they couldn't possibly be. I am not going to get
> >into that!
> >
> >I finally have my kitchen back after his hideous foray into cooking.
> >But...
> >No oven. I have the low end, GE, self cleaning one and it's about 15
> >years
> >old. So I think it would be better for me to replace it rather than
> >repair
> >the door. Still shopping around.
> >
> >That being said, in researching shattered oven doors, it's a fairly
> >common
> >thing and the incidents of it happening are on the rise! The first I
> >heard
> >of this was last year at about this time when my friend got a new, high
> >end
> >oven. She was looking forward to cooking the holiday meal, and the day
> >before the holiday, the glass shattered. The oven wasn't on and
> >thankfully
> >no one was near it. My friend makes everything from scratch so they had a
> >very disappointing holiday meal as she was unable to bake anything.
> >Thankfully she had already made her cookies.
> >
> >Just spoke to another friend who said there was a segment on the news
> >about
> >shattered oven doors being on the rise. But the reason is unclear. My
> >research said it might be linked to the high heat of self clean and
> >perhaps
> >we should not use that feature. I did the self clean a day or two before
> >the
> >incident and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
> >
> >Anyone here ever have this happen? Or have you heard of it? Makes me want
> >to
> >buy some cheap thing with no glass in the door but they don't seem to
> >make
> >them that way any more. I did have one many years ago and mostly I made
> >cookies, muffins, cakes and biscuits. My nose always told me when they
> >were
> >done. It never fails me for things like that.
>
>
> If you do not have one yet I would strongly recommend an airfryer
> oven!
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

I would strongly recommend not getting an airfryer. Unless you're cooking
for one, the size of the cooking chamber greatly reduces its usefulness. I
don't cook a large quantity of food but the size of my air fryer is
frustratingly small. If, however, you like to fiddle and fuss with your food
and cooker and enjoy babysitting your food as it's cooking, I suppose you
might find the air fryer satisfying.

---

I did look into them. I see no need for one whatever and I'd rather have the
counter space. I have no place to store one.

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ... On
> Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-10,
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:45:14 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Had an incident with he who longer lives here (Just me and the
> > > cats now) where the oven door shattered. The claim is he slipped
> > > on oil on the >floor, his knee hit the door and it shattered. I
> > > did not buy this story as there was no oil on the floor. I had
> > > Angela double check this. Yes, there had >been oil on the floor
> > > two days prior and it took me a long time to clean it >up. So
> > > that part, I don't buy. Then there was the fact that other things
> > > in >the kitchen were damaged and he claimed those damages were
> > > related to the shattered oven door, but they couldn't possibly
> > > be. I am not going to get into that!
> > >
> > > I finally have my kitchen back after his hideous foray into
> > > cooking. >But... No oven. I have the low end, GE, self cleaning
> > > one and it's about 15 >years old. So I think it would be better
> > > for me to replace it rather than >repair the door. Still
> > > shopping around.
> > >
> > > That being said, in researching shattered oven doors, it's a
> > > fairly >common thing and the incidents of it happening are on
> > > the rise! The first I >heard of this was last year at about this
> > > time when my friend got a new, high >end oven. She was looking
> > > forward to cooking the holiday meal, and the day before the
> > > holiday, the glass shattered. The oven wasn't on and >thankfully
> > > no one was near it. My friend makes everything from scratch so
> > > they had a very disappointing holiday meal as she was unable to
> > > bake anything. Thankfully she had already made her cookies.
> > >
> > > Just spoke to another friend who said there was a segment on the
> > > news >about shattered oven doors being on the rise. But the
> > > reason is unclear. My research said it might be linked to the
> > > high heat of self clean and >perhaps we should not use that
> > > feature. I did the self clean a day or two before >the incident
> > > and that makes me feel slightly guilty.
> > >
> > > Anyone here ever have this happen? Or have you heard of it? Makes
> > > me want >to buy some cheap thing with no glass in the door but
> > > they don't seem to >make them that way any more. I did have one
> > > many years ago and mostly I made cookies, muffins, cakes and
> > > biscuits. My nose always told me when they >were done. It never
> > > fails me for things like that.
> >
> >
> > If you do not have one yet I would strongly recommend an airfryer
> > oven!
> >
> > --
> >
> > ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>
> I would strongly recommend not getting an airfryer. Unless you're
> cooking for one, the size of the cooking chamber greatly reduces its
> usefulness. I don't cook a large quantity of food but the size of my
> air fryer is frustratingly small. If, however, you like to fiddle and
> fuss with your food and cooker and enjoy babysitting your food as
> it's cooking, I suppose you might find the air fryer satisfying.
>
> ---
>
> I did look into them. I see no need for one whatever and I'd rather
> have the counter space. I have no place to store one.

I have one but I have storage for it. It was nice if Charltte or I had
a hankering for a few tater tots or something. Less hassle than
cleaning up a toaster own and the amounts were too small to use the
oven.

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:09:53 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-10, wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:45:14 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>
>I would strongly recommend not getting an airfryer. Unless you're cooking for one, the size of the cooking chamber greatly reduces its usefulness. I don't cook a large quantity of food but the size of my air fryer is frustratingly small. If, however, you like to fiddle and fuss with your food and cooker and enjoy babysitting your food as it's cooking, I suppose you might find the air fryer satisfying.

We cook for 2 and the air fryer is big enough. Maybe in your country
portions are different?

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:11:06 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:09:53 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-10, wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:45:14 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>
>>I would strongly recommend not getting an airfryer. Unless you're cooking for one, the size of the cooking chamber greatly reduces its usefulness. I don't cook a large quantity of food but the size of my air fryer is frustratingly small. If, however, you like to fiddle and fuss with your food and cooker and enjoy babysitting your food as it's cooking, I suppose you might find the air fryer satisfying.
>
>We cook for 2 and the air fryer is big enough. Maybe in your country
>portions are different?

I wouldn't want something I'd have to clean that's only capable of two
toddler sized portions.

If I'm going to take the time and make the effort to actually cook I'm
going to cook enough to have lots of left overs for my freezer. I've
already seen what the Ukelele calls cooking, I wouldn't want any,
especially not as left overs.... all his dishes look exactly the same,
closely resembling what comes from a can of Chun King.

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:11:06 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:09:53 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-10,
wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:45:14 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>
>>>I would strongly recommend not getting an airfryer. Unless you're cooking
>>>for one, the size of the cooking chamber greatly reduces its usefulness.
>>>I don't cook a large quantity of food but the size of my air fryer is
>>>frustratingly small. If, however, you like to fiddle and fuss with your
>>>food and cooker and enjoy babysitting your food as it's cooking, I
>>>suppose you might find the air fryer satisfying.
>>
>>We cook for 2 and the air fryer is big enough. Maybe in your country
>>portions are different?
>
> I wouldn't want something I'd have to clean that's only capable of two
> toddler sized portions.
>
> If I'm going to take the time and make the effort to actually cook I'm
> going to cook enough to have lots of left overs for my freezer. I've
> already seen what the Ukelele calls cooking, I wouldn't want any,
> especially not as left overs.... all his dishes look exactly the same,
> closely resembling what comes from a can of Chun King.

You're right on that!

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:33:20 -0500, wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:11:06 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:09:53 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-10, wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:45:14 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>
>>>I would strongly recommend not getting an airfryer. Unless you're cooking for one, the size of the cooking chamber greatly reduces its usefulness. I don't cook a large quantity of food but the size of my air fryer is frustratingly small. If, however, you like to fiddle and fuss with your food and cooker and enjoy babysitting your food as it's cooking, I suppose you might find the air fryer satisfying.
>>
>>We cook for 2 and the air fryer is big enough. Maybe in your country
>>portions are different?
>
>I wouldn't want something I'd have to clean that's only capable of two
>toddler sized portions.

Who said toddler sized?

>If I'm going to take the time and make the effort to actually cook I'm
>going to cook enough to have lots of left overs for my freezer.

Fried potatoes are better fresh than from the freezer.

>I've
>already seen what the Ukelele calls cooking, I wouldn't want any,
>especially not as left overs.... all his dishes look exactly the same,
>closely resembling what comes from a can of Chun King.

Do you want to know what I'd choose if I had to choose between his
cooking and yours?