We talked about the Dutch "Professor T." series that airs on my local PBS
station a few weeks ago. I've got a question about Dutch courts I hope you
can answer.

The episode that aired Saturday night here involved a murder trial. There were
three judges, all in robes, and I'm guessing it was the prosecutor in robes as
well. But my question pertains to the jurors, I *think* there were 12 but not
entirely sure. What surprised me was all the jurors hearing this murder trial
were all taking notes on what appeared to be yellow legal pads. Is this the
norm in the courts there?? All courts or just criminal trials???

I can't speak for all states but taking notes while on a jury here in my
state will quickly get you pulled off that jury by your ear like a naughty
child. Most likely you are escorted to the door then a swift kick in the
seat of your pants hoping you'll tumble down the steps head first.

Can you enlighten me, please??? Fellow 'Murikans, is note taking allowed in
your state while serving on a jury??

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:10:31 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>
>We talked about the Dutch "Professor T." series that airs on my local PBS
>station a few weeks ago. I've got a question about Dutch courts I hope you
>can answer.
>
>The episode that aired Saturday night here involved a murder trial. There were
>three judges, all in robes, and I'm guessing it was the prosecutor in robes as
>well. But my question pertains to the jurors, I *think* there were 12 but not
>entirely sure. What surprised me was all the jurors hearing this murder trial
>were all taking notes on what appeared to be yellow legal pads. Is this the
>norm in the courts there?? All courts or just criminal trials???

It's a Belgian series. The Netherlands doesn't have jurors.

>I can't speak for all states but taking notes while on a jury here in my
>state will quickly get you pulled off that jury by your ear like a naughty
>child. Most likely you are escorted to the door then a swift kick in the
>seat of your pants hoping you'll tumble down the steps head first.
>
>Can you enlighten me, please??? Fellow 'Murikans, is note taking allowed in
>your state while serving on a jury??

What's wrong with taking notes?

On 2019-09-09 6:15 p.m., Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:10:31 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> We talked about the Dutch "Professor T." series that airs on my local PBS
>> station a few weeks ago. I've got a question about Dutch courts I hope you
>> can answer.
>>
>> The episode that aired Saturday night here involved a murder trial. There were
>> three judges, all in robes, and I'm guessing it was the prosecutor in robes as
>> well. But my question pertains to the jurors, I *think* there were 12 but not
>> entirely sure. What surprised me was all the jurors hearing this murder trial
>> were all taking notes on what appeared to be yellow legal pads. Is this the
>> norm in the courts there?? All courts or just criminal trials???
>
> It's a Belgian series. The Netherlands doesn't have jurors.
>
>> I can't speak for all states but taking notes while on a jury here in my
>> state will quickly get you pulled off that jury by your ear like a naughty
>> child. Most likely you are escorted to the door then a swift kick in the
>> seat of your pants hoping you'll tumble down the steps head first.
>>
>> Can you enlighten me, please??? Fellow 'Murikans, is note taking allowed in
>> your state while serving on a jury??
>
> What's wrong with taking notes?
>
It proves that you are literate and therefore have at least a basic
education!

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 18:48:07 -0600, graham > wrote:


>> What's wrong with taking notes?
>>
>It proves that you are literate and therefore have at least a basic
>education!

Which means you MIGHT be more likely to make the RIGHT decision!!

On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 7:15:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> What's wrong with taking notes?
>
It's just not something that is tolerated in courts in my city and/or state.
Maybe they figure you are more interested in doing a book deal than giving
the accused a fair trial. I can't really say I know why.

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:57:34 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 7:15:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> What's wrong with taking notes?
>>
>It's just not something that is tolerated in courts in my city and/or state.
>Maybe they figure you are more interested in doing a book deal than giving
>the accused a fair trial. I can't really say I know why.

That could be it. Or maybe they think that if you make notes, you'll
miss part of what's being said.

On 9/9/2019 8:57 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 7:15:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> What's wrong with taking notes?
>>
> It's just not something that is tolerated in courts in my city and/or state.
> Maybe they figure you are more interested in doing a book deal than giving
> the accused a fair trial. I can't really say I know why.
>


https://courts.uslegal.com/jury-syst...ing-by-jurors/
As trials have become more complex, and the information given more
difficult to remember and place in perspective, a number of states have
made express permission for jurors to take notes during the trial. These
states include Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Missouri, New Jersey, New
York, North Dakota, Ohio, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Although
only one state expressly prohibits this practice, in most jurisdictions
whether members of a jury are allowed to take notes will depend upon the
discretion of the judge. One survey indicated that 37 percent of the
judges in state courts indicate they do not allow jurors to take notes
during a trial. In federal courts, this matter is also left up to the judge

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 22:32:02 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/9/2019 8:57 PM, wrote:
>> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 7:15:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> What's wrong with taking notes?
>>>
>> It's just not something that is tolerated in courts in my city and/or state.
>> Maybe they figure you are more interested in doing a book deal than giving
>> the accused a fair trial. I can't really say I know why.
>>
>
>
>https://courts.uslegal.com/jury-syst...ing-by-jurors/
>As trials have become more complex, and the information given more
>difficult to remember and place in perspective, a number of states have
>made express permission for jurors to take notes during the trial. These
>states include Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Missouri, New Jersey, New
>York, North Dakota, Ohio, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Although
>only one state expressly prohibits this practice, in most jurisdictions
>whether members of a jury are allowed to take notes will depend upon the
>discretion of the judge. One survey indicated that 37 percent of the
>judges in state courts indicate they do not allow jurors to take notes
>during a trial. In federal courts, this matter is also left up to the judge

But the question remains: where it's not allowed, why not?

On 9/9/2019 10:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 22:32:02 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 9/9/2019 8:57 PM, wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 7:15:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What's wrong with taking notes?
>>>>
>>> It's just not something that is tolerated in courts in my city and/or state.
>>> Maybe they figure you are more interested in doing a book deal than giving
>>> the accused a fair trial. I can't really say I know why.
>>>
>>
>>
>> https://courts.uslegal.com/jury-syst...ing-by-jurors/
>> As trials have become more complex, and the information given more
>> difficult to remember and place in perspective, a number of states have
>> made express permission for jurors to take notes during the trial. These
>> states include Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Missouri, New Jersey, New
>> York, North Dakota, Ohio, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Although
>> only one state expressly prohibits this practice, in most jurisdictions
>> whether members of a jury are allowed to take notes will depend upon the
>> discretion of the judge. One survey indicated that 37 percent of the
>> judges in state courts indicate they do not allow jurors to take notes
>> during a trial. In federal courts, this matter is also left up to the judge
>
> But the question remains: where it's not allowed, why not?
>

Looks like PA does not allow it
https://www.co.westmoreland.pa.us/Do...rJurors?bidId=

5. Do not engage in any conduct that will distract attention. Reading
matter,such as books or newspapers, is not permitted in the jury box.
You are not permitted to take any notes during the trial.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/9/2019 8:57 PM, wrote:
>> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 7:15:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> What's wrong with taking notes?
>>>
>> It's just not something that is tolerated in courts in my city
>> and/or state.
>> Maybe they figure you are more interested in doing a book deal
>> than giving
>> the accused a fair trial.* I can't really say I know why.
>>
>
>
> https://courts.uslegal.com/jury-syst...ing-by-jurors/
>
> As trials have become more complex, and the information given more
> difficult to remember and place in perspective, a number of states
> have made express permission for jurors to take notes during the
> trial. These states include Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut,
> Missouri, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Washington,
> Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Although only one state expressly prohibits
> this practice, in most jurisdictions whether members of a jury are
> allowed to take notes will depend upon the discretion of the judge.
> One survey indicated that 37 percent of the judges in state courts
> indicate they do not allow jurors to take notes during a trial. In
> federal courts, this matter is also left up to the judge

I bet they are allowed to review the trial's transcripts during
deliberations though. That would be a close second to notes, if not
actually more comprehensive than the average note-taker.

Perhaps note-taking may be forbidden lest it contain testimony that
has been disallowed and stricken from the record?

At any rate, they should allow notes, if only to ease poor Druce's
eggbag.

On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 7:15:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:10:31 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >We talked about the Dutch "Professor T." series that airs on my local PBS
> >station a few weeks ago. I've got a question about Dutch courts I hope you
> >can answer.
> >
> >The episode that aired Saturday night here involved a murder trial. There were
> >three judges, all in robes, and I'm guessing it was the prosecutor in robes as
> >well. But my question pertains to the jurors, I *think* there were 12 but not
> >entirely sure. What surprised me was all the jurors hearing this murder trial
> >were all taking notes on what appeared to be yellow legal pads. Is this the
> >norm in the courts there?? All courts or just criminal trials???
>
> It's a Belgian series. The Netherlands doesn't have jurors.
>
WHAT????

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:58:24 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 7:15:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:10:31 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >We talked about the Dutch "Professor T." series that airs on my local PBS
>> >station a few weeks ago. I've got a question about Dutch courts I hope you
>> >can answer.
>> >
>> >The episode that aired Saturday night here involved a murder trial. There were
>> >three judges, all in robes, and I'm guessing it was the prosecutor in robes as
>> >well. But my question pertains to the jurors, I *think* there were 12 but not
>> >entirely sure. What surprised me was all the jurors hearing this murder trial
>> >were all taking notes on what appeared to be yellow legal pads. Is this the
>> >norm in the courts there?? All courts or just criminal trials???
>>
>> It's a Belgian series. The Netherlands doesn't have jurors.
>>
>WHAT????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judici...he_Netherlands

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:10:31 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>
>We talked about the Dutch "Professor T." series that airs on my local PBS
>station a few weeks ago. I've got a question about Dutch courts I hope you
>can answer.
>
>The episode that aired Saturday night here involved a murder trial. There were
>three judges, all in robes, and I'm guessing it was the prosecutor in robes as
>well. But my question pertains to the jurors, I *think* there were 12 but not
>entirely sure. What surprised me was all the jurors hearing this murder trial
>were all taking notes on what appeared to be yellow legal pads. Is this the
>norm in the courts there?? All courts or just criminal trials???
>
>I can't speak for all states but taking notes while on a jury here in my
>state will quickly get you pulled off that jury by your ear like a naughty
>child. Most likely you are escorted to the door then a swift kick in the
>seat of your pants hoping you'll tumble down the steps head first.
>
>Can you enlighten me, please??? Fellow 'Murikans, is note taking allowed in
>your state while serving on a jury??

https://courts.uslegal.com/jury-syst...ing-by-jurors/

Only one State completely blocks note taking by Jurors.

In most areas, it is at the discretion of the Judge,
but some States, including here in California, do allow it.

On 9/10/2019 1:10 AM, wrote:
>
> We talked about the Dutch "Professor T." series that airs on my local PBS
> station a few weeks ago. I've got a question about Dutch courts I hope you
> can answer.
>
> The episode that aired Saturday night here involved a murder trial. There were
> three judges, all in robes, and I'm guessing it was the prosecutor in robes as
> well. But my question pertains to the jurors, I *think* there were 12 but not
> entirely sure. What surprised me was all the jurors hearing this murder trial
> were all taking notes on what appeared to be yellow legal pads. Is this the
> norm in the courts there?? All courts or just criminal trials???
>
> I can't speak for all states but taking notes while on a jury here in my
> state will quickly get you pulled off that jury by your ear like a naughty
> child. Most likely you are escorted to the door then a swift kick in the
> seat of your pants hoping you'll tumble down the steps head first.
>
> Can you enlighten me, please??? Fellow 'Murikans, is note taking allowed in
> your state while serving on a jury??
>
I've served on civil criminal, and grand juries in NJ. In civil and
criminal courts, note-taking was not permitted - in the grand jury, not
only was it permitted, it was expected. They issued notebooks to us,
which had to be handed in at the end of each session - they were
returned when the jury reconvened.

On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 8:10:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> We talked about the Dutch "Professor T." series that airs on my local PBS
> station a few weeks ago. I've got a question about Dutch courts I hope you
> can answer.
>
> The episode that aired Saturday night here involved a murder trial. There were
> three judges, all in robes, and I'm guessing it was the prosecutor in robes as
> well. But my question pertains to the jurors, I *think* there were 12 but not
> entirely sure. What surprised me was all the jurors hearing this murder trial
> were all taking notes on what appeared to be yellow legal pads. Is this the
> norm in the courts there?? All courts or just criminal trials???
>
> I can't speak for all states but taking notes while on a jury here in my
> state will quickly get you pulled off that jury by your ear like a naughty
> child. Most likely you are escorted to the door then a swift kick in the
> seat of your pants hoping you'll tumble down the steps head first.
>
> Can you enlighten me, please??? Fellow 'Murikans, is note taking allowed in
> your state while serving on a jury??

Yes. We were issued pads on which we could take any notes we wished.

Cindy Hamilton