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Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >, Bruce > > wrote: > > > On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 23:53:05 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell > > > > s/everything/something/g. Nuff sed. > > > > ¿Que? > > My remark > contains a clue > Which may be something > fun to do > > I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this > picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much > color to them. > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> > > leo Nice Leo! More of a New England version there. Nothing wrong with that! If you want to fancy them up a little (won't change the color much), consider chopped bits of dried fruits. Not the candied stuff for fruit cake, but figs, even prunes, raisens (sp?), dried guava or mangos work well. If the color bothers you, try using dark brown sugar for the sweetner. |
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote: >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >to them. ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. |
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On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> > On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell > > wrote: > > >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this > >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color > >to them. > ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> > > I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. > They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by having never eaten corn muffins. |
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On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote: >On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >> > wrote: >> >> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >> >to them. >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >> >> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >> >They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >having never eaten corn muffins. Yes, they do sound good. Is it possible to use or add fresh corn at all or just cornmeal? |
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On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote: >On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >> > wrote: >> >> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >> >to them. >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >> >> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >> >They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >having never eaten corn muffins. Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. <room reserved for Jebus> |
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On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:22:27 +1000, Bruce >
wrote: >On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " > wrote: > >>On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >>> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >>> >to them. >>> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >>> >>> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >>> >>They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >>having never eaten corn muffins. > >Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. > ><room reserved for Jebus> Yes, true in the sense it's overused thanks to lobbyists and manufacturers in the U.S. But that's not to say corn is of itself bad in moderation. |
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On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:37:42 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:22:27 +1000, Bruce > >wrote: > >>On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " > wrote: >> >>>On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >>>> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >>>> >to them. >>>> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >>>> >>>> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >>>> >>>They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >>>having never eaten corn muffins. >> >>Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. >> >><room reserved for Jebus> > >Yes, true in the sense it's overused thanks to lobbyists and >manufacturers in the U.S. But that's not to say corn is of itself bad >in moderation. No, I don't think so either, although it's probably always GM in the US. |
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On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:37:42 +0700, Jeßus > wrote: > > >On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:22:27 +1000, Bruce > > >wrote: > > > >>On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " > > wrote: > >> > >>>On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell > >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this > >>>> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color > >>>> >to them. > >>>> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> > >>>> > >>>> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. > >>>> > >>>They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by > >>>having never eaten corn muffins. > >> > >>Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. > >> > >><room reserved for Jebus> > > > >Yes, true in the sense it's overused thanks to lobbyists and > >manufacturers in the U.S. But that's not to say corn is of itself bad > >in moderation. > > No, I don't think so either, although it's probably always GM in the > US. No, of course it isn't. Much of the sweet corn grown directly for the table is non-GMO. Some dent corn is non-GMO so that some people can have their fish tacos GMO-free. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 9/9/2019 1:12 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:37:42 +0700, Jeßus > wrote: > >> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:22:27 +1000, Bruce > >> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >>>>>> picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >>>>>> to them. >>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >>>>> >>>> They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >>>> having never eaten corn muffins. >>> >>> Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. >>> >>> <room reserved for Jebus> >> >> Yes, true in the sense it's overused thanks to lobbyists and >> manufacturers in the U.S. But that's not to say corn is of itself bad >> in moderation. > > No, I don't think so either, although it's probably always GM in the > US. > GM is relatively new. Hybrid plants though, have been around for centuries. Not just edibles, look at rose bushes. Many fruits are hybrids. |
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On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 10:50:59 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " > > wrote: > > >On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell > >> > wrote: > >> > >> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this > >> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color > >> >to them. > >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> > >> > >> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. > >> > >They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by > >having never eaten corn muffins. > > Yes, they do sound good. Is it possible to use or add fresh corn at > all or just cornmeal? > I've had cornbread with corn added and America's Test Kitchen did a cornbread recipe last year using fresh corn. I can't say I really liked the addition of added corn and the ATK recipe didn't impress me enough to try it. For _me_ cornbread needs no gussying up another than copious amounts of butter. |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote: >On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 10:50:59 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >> >> On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " >> > wrote: >> >> >On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >> >> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >> >> >to them. >> >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >> >> >> >> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >> >> >> >They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >> >having never eaten corn muffins. >> >> Yes, they do sound good. Is it possible to use or add fresh corn at >> all or just cornmeal? >> >I've had cornbread with corn added and America's Test Kitchen did a cornbread >recipe last year using fresh corn. I can't say I really liked the addition >of added corn and the ATK recipe didn't impress me enough to try it. > >For _me_ cornbread needs no gussying up another than copious amounts of >butter. I bake corn muffins often during winter months, I use the jumbo muffin tins... I add about 20% coarse cornmeal to the fine and a can of creamed corn. Many stores bake their muffins in paper liners, those are not muffins, those are cupcakes. |
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On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell > >> >> > >> >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> > >> >> > Many stores bake their muffins in paper liners, those > are not muffins, those are cupcakes. > They're still muffins; he just didn't overfill the liners. A bit blonde, but I'd not refuse one if offered. |
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On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:07:32 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote: > > > > >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell > > >> >> > > >> >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> > > >> >> > > Many stores bake their muffins in paper liners, those > > are not muffins, those are cupcakes. > > > They're still muffins; he just didn't overfill the liners. A bit blonde, but > I'd not refuse one if offered. Sheldon has some kind of irrational thing about muffins in paper liners. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 2019-09-09 1:18 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:07:32 PM UTC-4, >> They're still muffins; he just didn't overfill the liners. A bit >> blonde, but I'd not refuse one if offered. > > Sheldon has some kind of irrational thing about muffins in paper > liners. > > It is more rational in my case. We make muffins frequently. They may be plain, corn, bran, blueberry, cranberry carrot or some other variation, but we never use paper liners. There are several local bakeries that make them without liners. Then there are the kind you get in grocery stores or cheap coffee shops, and they use liners. They are more like cup cakes than muffins. They use a sweet, light batter and they are definitely more like cake than muffins. |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote: >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >> >> >> >> >> >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >> >> >> >> Many stores bake their muffins in paper liners, those >> are not muffins, those are cupcakes. >> >They're still muffins; he just didn't overfill the liners. A bit blonde, but >I'd not refuse one if offered. Still not muffins, plus even for cupcakes they look raw... muffins are crusty. And I didn't see them until now, the first time, three hours ago it asked that I sign up. I guessed they'd be in paper liners as so many here don't know the difference between a muffin and a cupcake. |
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On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 3:02:52 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT), " > > wrote: > > >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote: > >> > >> >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> > >> >> >> > >> Many stores bake their muffins in paper liners, those > >> are not muffins, those are cupcakes. > >> > >They're still muffins; he just didn't overfill the liners. A bit blonde, but > >I'd not refuse one if offered. > > Still not muffins, plus even for cupcakes they look raw... muffins are > crusty. And I didn't see them until now, the first time, three hours > ago it asked that I sign up. I guessed they'd be in paper liners as > so many here don't know the difference between a muffin and a cupcake. Is the difference a paper liner? I was under the impression that cupcakes were made by creaming butter and sugar (and then adding other ingredients) as for a cake--with a smooth batter--and that muffins are made like a quick bread, with a more lumpy batter. Ideally, muffins have less sugar than cupcakes. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:18:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:07:32 PM UTC-4, wrote: >> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote: >> > >> > >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >> > >> >> >> > >> >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >> > >> >> >> > Many stores bake their muffins in paper liners, those >> > are not muffins, those are cupcakes. >> > >> They're still muffins; he just didn't overfill the liners. A bit blonde, but >> I'd not refuse one if offered. > >Sheldon has some kind of irrational thing about muffins in paper liners. > >Cindy Hamilton You're who's irrational, you permit your disdain to get in the way of truth. To date I've not seen anything you've cooked so I don't believe you can... and here you've proved that you can't by not knowing the difference between a muffin and a cupcake. Lousy bakeries use paper liners for muffin batter because they are too lazy to grease muffin pans... however if they knew how to bake there'd be nothing to wash as muffin tins need to be properly greased, they'd pop right out cleanly and don't need washing before the next batch. Now I know not only can't you cook you can't bake a lick either. |
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On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 2:46:09 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > Lousy bakeries use paper liners for muffin batter because they are too > lazy to grease muffin pans... however if they knew how to bake there'd > be nothing to wash as muffin tins need to be properly greased, they'd > pop right out cleanly and don't need washing before the next batch. > Now I know not only can't you cook you can't bake a lick either. > No proof whatsoever but I'm guessing why bakeries use paper liners is for their convenience as well as a bit of hygiene. Unless they wear plastic gloves con- stantly they can pick up the muffins/cupcakes without actually touching the baked product. Also, the customer can peel the liner away to eat it and keep their hands reasonably clean. One scene comes readily to mind; people trying to eat their breakfast while driving to work. Eating, driving, slurping their coffee and let's not forget talking on their phones. |
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On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 3:46:09 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:18:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton > > wrote: > > >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:07:32 PM UTC-4, wrote: > >> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote: > >> > > >> > >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> > >> > >> >> > >> > Many stores bake their muffins in paper liners, those > >> > are not muffins, those are cupcakes. > >> > > >> They're still muffins; he just didn't overfill the liners. A bit blonde, but > >> I'd not refuse one if offered. > > > >Sheldon has some kind of irrational thing about muffins in paper liners. > > > >Cindy Hamilton > > You're who's irrational, you permit your disdain to get in the way of > truth. To date I've not seen anything you've cooked so I don't > believe you can... and here you've proved that you can't by not > knowing the difference between a muffin and a cupcake. > Lousy bakeries use paper liners for muffin batter because they are too > lazy to grease muffin pans... however if they knew how to bake there'd > be nothing to wash as muffin tins need to be properly greased, they'd > pop right out cleanly and don't need washing before the next batch. > Now I know not only can't you cook you can't bake a lick either. So you're saying that the only difference between cupcakes and muffins is the paper liner? Cindy Hamilton |
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On 2019-09-09 3:13 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 3:02:52 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote: >> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT), >> " > wrote: >> >>> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-5, Sheldon >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Many stores bake their muffins in paper liners, those >>>> are not muffins, those are cupcakes. >>>> >>> They're still muffins; he just didn't overfill the liners. A bit >>> blonde, but I'd not refuse one if offered. >> >> Still not muffins, plus even for cupcakes they look raw... muffins >> are crusty. And I didn't see them until now, the first time, three >> hours ago it asked that I sign up. I guessed they'd be in paper >> liners as so many here don't know the difference between a muffin >> and a cupcake. > > Is the difference a paper liner? > > I was under the impression that cupcakes were made by creaming butter > and sugar (and then adding other ingredients) as for a cake--with a > smooth batter--and that muffins are made like a quick bread, with a > more lumpy batter. Ideally, muffins have less sugar than cupcakes. > That works for me. We always mix ours by hand, and not too much. My experience with most of the muffins sold in coffee shops, grocery stores and convenience stores is that they are more of a cake texture. They are sweet and light. FWIW, the corner bakery where I go for coffee and muffins sell honest to goodness muffins with quality ingredients. They started using parchment paper wrappers a year or two ago but still have a quality muffin product... with a wrapper. I am not saying they cannot be muffins because they have a wrapper. I am only saying that most of the commercially made muffins with wrappers are more like cupcakes. |
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On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 3:43:34 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > So you're saying that the only difference between cupcakes and muffins > is the paper liner? > > Cindy Hamilton > I found this: Definition of Cupcake and Muffin Cupcake "€œ is a small cake baked in a special pan that can be eaten by one person in one sitting. Apart from their size, they have all the same attributes of a cake which can include frosting and other decorations. Muffin "€œ is a small loaf of bread baked in a shallow, round pan. Unlike traditional loaves of bread, muffins generally have more butter and sugar in them. And this one, too: https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyl...m-muffin-facts |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 13:43:31 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 3:46:09 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote: >> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:18:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton >> > wrote: >> >> >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:07:32 PM UTC-4, wrote: >> >> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Many stores bake their muffins in paper liners, those >> >> > are not muffins, those are cupcakes. >> >> > >> >> They're still muffins; he just didn't overfill the liners. A bit blonde, but >> >> I'd not refuse one if offered. >> > >> >Sheldon has some kind of irrational thing about muffins in paper liners. >> > >> >Cindy Hamilton >> >> You're who's irrational, you permit your disdain to get in the way of >> truth. To date I've not seen anything you've cooked so I don't >> believe you can... and here you've proved that you can't by not >> knowing the difference between a muffin and a cupcake. >> Lousy bakeries use paper liners for muffin batter because they are too >> lazy to grease muffin pans... however if they knew how to bake there'd >> be nothing to wash as muffin tins need to be properly greased, they'd >> pop right out cleanly and don't need washing before the next batch. >> Now I know not only can't you cook you can't bake a lick either. > >So you're saying that the only difference between cupcakes and muffins >is the paper liner? > >Cindy Hamilton Realy... the paper liner totally eliminates the crust. |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote: >On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 10:50:59 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >> >> On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " >> > wrote: >> >> >On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >> >> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >> >> >to them. >> >> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >> >> >> >> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >> >> >> >They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >> >having never eaten corn muffins. >> >> Yes, they do sound good. Is it possible to use or add fresh corn at >> all or just cornmeal? >> >I've had cornbread with corn added and America's Test Kitchen did a cornbread >recipe last year using fresh corn. I can't say I really liked the addition >of added corn and the ATK recipe didn't impress me enough to try it. > >For _me_ cornbread needs no gussying up another than copious amounts of >butter. Yes. I may or may not like it. It would alter the texture a lot... I just thought it might be a way to reduce the carbohydrates and G.I (I'm a somewhat of an high GI/carbo-phobe) |
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On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 6:43:54 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT), " > > wrote: > > >> Yes, they do sound good. Is it possible to use or add fresh corn at > >> all or just cornmeal? > >> > >I've had cornbread with corn added and America's Test Kitchen did a cornbread > >recipe last year using fresh corn. I can't say I really liked the addition > >of added corn and the ATK recipe didn't impress me enough to try it. > > > >For _me_ cornbread needs no gussying up another than copious amounts of > >butter. > > Yes. I may or may not like it. It would alter the texture a lot... I > just thought it might be a way to reduce the carbohydrates and G.I > (I'm a somewhat of an high GI/carbo-phobe) > The only way I know to reduce the carbs in corn/cornbread is to not eat it. |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 16:57:11 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote: >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 6:43:54 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >> >> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT), " >> > wrote: >> >> >> Yes, they do sound good. Is it possible to use or add fresh corn at >> >> all or just cornmeal? >> >> >> >I've had cornbread with corn added and America's Test Kitchen did a cornbread >> >recipe last year using fresh corn. I can't say I really liked the addition >> >of added corn and the ATK recipe didn't impress me enough to try it. >> > >> >For _me_ cornbread needs no gussying up another than copious amounts of >> >butter. >> >> Yes. I may or may not like it. It would alter the texture a lot... I >> just thought it might be a way to reduce the carbohydrates and G.I >> (I'm a somewhat of an high GI/carbo-phobe) >> >The only way I know to reduce the carbs in corn/cornbread is to not eat it. Well, indeed :) But I can indulge occasionally, regardless. |
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On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 7:06:49 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 16:57:11 -0700 (PDT), " > > wrote: > > >The only way I know to reduce the carbs in corn/cornbread is to not eat it. > > Well, indeed :) But I can indulge occasionally, regardless. > Don't you just love the simple answers you find here?? ;o)) |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 02:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:37:42 +0700, Jeßus > wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:22:27 +1000, Bruce > >> >wrote: >> > >> >>On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " >> > wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >> >>>> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >> >>>> >to them. >> >>>> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >> >>>> >> >>>> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >> >>>> >> >>>They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >> >>>having never eaten corn muffins. >> >> >> >>Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. >> >> >> >><room reserved for Jebus> >> > >> >Yes, true in the sense it's overused thanks to lobbyists and >> >manufacturers in the U.S. But that's not to say corn is of itself bad >> >in moderation. >> >> No, I don't think so either, although it's probably always GM in the >> US. > >No, of course it isn't. Much of the sweet corn grown directly for the >table is non-GMO. Some dent corn is non-GMO so that some people can have >their fish tacos GMO-free. "Currently, up to 92% of U.S. corn is genetically engineered (GE), as are 94% of soybeans and 94% of cotton [1] (cottonseed oil is often used in food products). It has been estimated that upwards of 75% of processed foods on supermarket shelves €“ from soda to soup, crackers to condiments €“ contain genetically engineered ingredients." <https://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/issues/311/ge-foods/about-ge-foods> There goes your biodiversity. Everything becomes the same. In the future, all Americans will look and talk like Gary. You'll all have freshly painted houses full of ferrets! |
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Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 02:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton > > wrote: > >> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >>> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:37:42 +0700, Jeßus > wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:22:27 +1000, Bruce > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >>>>>>>> picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >>>>>>>> to them. >>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >>>>>>> >>>>>> They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >>>>>> having never eaten corn muffins. >>>>> >>>>> Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. >>>>> >>>>> <room reserved for Jebus> >>>> >>>> Yes, true in the sense it's overused thanks to lobbyists and >>>> manufacturers in the U.S. But that's not to say corn is of itself bad >>>> in moderation. >>> >>> No, I don't think so either, although it's probably always GM in the >>> US. >> >> No, of course it isn't. Much of the sweet corn grown directly for the >> table is non-GMO. Some dent corn is non-GMO so that some people can have >> their fish tacos GMO-free. > > "Currently, up to 92% of U.S. corn is genetically engineered (GE), as > are 94% of soybeans and 94% of cotton [1] (cottonseed oil is often > used in food products). It has been estimated that upwards of 75% of > processed foods on supermarket shelves €€œ from soda to soup, crackers > to condiments €€œ contain genetically engineered ingredients." > <https://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/issues/311/ge-foods/about-ge-foods> > > There goes your biodiversity. Everything becomes the same. In the > future, all Americans will look and talk like Gary. You'll all have > freshly painted houses full of ferrets! > And all their asses will look exactly like yoose face :) |
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In article >,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote: > Unix stuff. Look for every instance of "everything" and replace it with > "something". Did you catch my "sed" reference in Nuff sed? I just can't get over myself ;) leo |
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In article >, Dave Smith
> wrote: > I have not had cornmeal muffins. Do you always use the cupcake liners? > We make muffins frequently and just grease the pans. They come out > without problems. I use the recipe right off a Albers Corn Meal box. <http://alberscorn.com/sweet-corn-muffins/> The recipe states that the muffins can be made with greased cups or cupcake liners. I used liners. Next time I'll grease the tin up. It ain't like it's difficult to do. After I made them, I remembered that last time I made them, I threatened to mix in blueberries. Next time, I will. cshenk suggested dried fruit. That would be fine too. They're good as I made them, but a little fruit oomph is a fine idea. leo |
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On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 02:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton > > wrote: > > >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: > >> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:37:42 +0700, Jeßus > wrote: > >> > >> >On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:22:27 +1000, Bruce > > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >>On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell > >> >>>> > wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this > >> >>>> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color > >> >>>> >to them. > >> >>>> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. > >> >>>> > >> >>>They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by > >> >>>having never eaten corn muffins. > >> >> > >> >>Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. > >> >> > >> >><room reserved for Jebus> > >> > > >> >Yes, true in the sense it's overused thanks to lobbyists and > >> >manufacturers in the U.S. But that's not to say corn is of itself bad > >> >in moderation. > >> > >> No, I don't think so either, although it's probably always GM in the > >> US. > > > >No, of course it isn't. Much of the sweet corn grown directly for the > >table is non-GMO. Some dent corn is non-GMO so that some people can have > >their fish tacos GMO-free. > > "Currently, up to 92% of U.S. corn is genetically engineered (GE), as > are 94% of soybeans and 94% of cotton [1] (cottonseed oil is often > used in food products). It has been estimated that upwards of 75% of > processed foods on supermarket shelves €“ from soda to soup, crackers > to condiments €“ contain genetically engineered ingredients." > <https://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/issues/311/ge-foods/about-ge-foods> > > There goes your biodiversity. Everything becomes the same. In the > future, all Americans will look and talk like Gary. You'll all have > freshly painted houses full of ferrets! Eight percent of the corn grown in the U.S. is still a helluva lot of corn. 8% of 366.6 million metric tons is close to 30 million metric tons. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 8:51:23 PM UTC-4, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >, > Cindy Hamilton > wrote: > > > Unix stuff. Look for every instance of "everything" and replace it with > > "something". > > Did you catch my "sed" reference in Nuff sed? I just can't get over > myself ;) > > leo Yes. I didn't want to explain sed to Bruce. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 03:08:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 02:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton >> > wrote: >> >> >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:37:42 +0700, Jeßus > wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:22:27 +1000, Bruce > >> >> >wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >> >> >>>> > wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >> >> >>>> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >> >> >>>> >to them. >> >> >>>> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >> >> >>>having never eaten corn muffins. >> >> >> >> >> >>Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. >> >> >> >> >> >><room reserved for Jebus> >> >> > >> >> >Yes, true in the sense it's overused thanks to lobbyists and >> >> >manufacturers in the U.S. But that's not to say corn is of itself bad >> >> >in moderation. >> >> >> >> No, I don't think so either, although it's probably always GM in the >> >> US. >> > >> >No, of course it isn't. Much of the sweet corn grown directly for the >> >table is non-GMO. Some dent corn is non-GMO so that some people can have >> >their fish tacos GMO-free. >> >> "Currently, up to 92% of U.S. corn is genetically engineered (GE), as >> are 94% of soybeans and 94% of cotton [1] (cottonseed oil is often >> used in food products). It has been estimated that upwards of 75% of >> processed foods on supermarket shelves €“ from soda to soup, crackers >> to condiments €“ contain genetically engineered ingredients." >> <https://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/issues/311/ge-foods/about-ge-foods> >> >> There goes your biodiversity. Everything becomes the same. In the >> future, all Americans will look and talk like Gary. You'll all have >> freshly painted houses full of ferrets! > >Eight percent of the corn grown in the U.S. is still a helluva lot of >corn. 8% of 366.6 million metric tons is close to 30 million metric >tons. Most of your corn is GM, which was my point. |
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 03:09:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 8:51:23 PM UTC-4, Leonard Blaisdell wrote: >> In article >, >> Cindy Hamilton > wrote: >> >> > Unix stuff. Look for every instance of "everything" and replace it with >> > "something". >> >> Did you catch my "sed" reference in Nuff sed? I just can't get over >> myself ;) >> >> leo > >Yes. I didn't want to explain sed to Bruce. Bunch of old Unix farts. |
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On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 6:31:02 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 03:08:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton > > wrote: > > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: > >> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 02:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton > >> > wrote: > >> > >> >On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: > >> >> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:37:42 +0700, Jeßus > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:22:27 +1000, Bruce > > >> >> >wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >>>On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell > >> >> >>>> > wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> >I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this > >> >> >>>> >picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color > >> >> >>>> >to them. > >> >> >>>> ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by > >> >> >>>having never eaten corn muffins. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. > >> >> >> > >> >> >><room reserved for Jebus> > >> >> > > >> >> >Yes, true in the sense it's overused thanks to lobbyists and > >> >> >manufacturers in the U.S. But that's not to say corn is of itself bad > >> >> >in moderation. > >> >> > >> >> No, I don't think so either, although it's probably always GM in the > >> >> US. > >> > > >> >No, of course it isn't. Much of the sweet corn grown directly for the > >> >table is non-GMO. Some dent corn is non-GMO so that some people can have > >> >their fish tacos GMO-free. > >> > >> "Currently, up to 92% of U.S. corn is genetically engineered (GE), as > >> are 94% of soybeans and 94% of cotton [1] (cottonseed oil is often > >> used in food products). It has been estimated that upwards of 75% of > >> processed foods on supermarket shelves €“ from soda to soup, crackers > >> to condiments €“ contain genetically engineered ingredients." > >> <https://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/issues/311/ge-foods/about-ge-foods> > >> > >> There goes your biodiversity. Everything becomes the same. In the > >> future, all Americans will look and talk like Gary. You'll all have > >> freshly painted houses full of ferrets! > > > >Eight percent of the corn grown in the U.S. is still a helluva lot of > >corn. 8% of 366.6 million metric tons is close to 30 million metric > >tons. > > Most of your corn is GM, which was my point. And my point is that people who don't want to eat GM corn can find non-GM corn. You said "probably always", which is simply not the case. The relatively few people who actually care about GMOs aren't likely to eat grocery-store processed food anyway. It's interesting that about half of Americans think GMOs are worse for one's health, yet roughly 92% of them eat GMO corn (sometimes filtered through farm animals first). Cindy Hamilton |
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On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 6:31:20 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 03:09:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton > > wrote: > > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 8:51:23 PM UTC-4, Leonard Blaisdell wrote: > >> In article >, > >> Cindy Hamilton > wrote: > >> > >> > Unix stuff. Look for every instance of "everything" and replace it with > >> > "something". > >> > >> Did you catch my "sed" reference in Nuff sed? I just can't get over > >> myself ;) > >> > >> leo > > > >Yes. I didn't want to explain sed to Bruce. > > Bunch of old Unix farts. Yet these old Unix farts still get a ton accomplished with those tools. Whenever the young whippersnappers at work have an intractable problem one of us oldtimers solves it with a Unix shell script. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 2019-09-11 9:17 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 6:31:02 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 03:08:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton >> > wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 02:50:15 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:37:42 +0700, Jeßus > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:22:27 +1000, Bruce > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT), " >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 00:32:12 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm bored. My wife and SIL are gone to a class reunion. Check out this >>>>>>>>>>> picture of sweet corn muffins that I made today. There's not much color >>>>>>>>>>> to them. >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qf3djfdi4tlezy/corn%20muffins.jpg?dl=0> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to try those. Never had corn muffins before. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They're rather 'blonde' looking but you don't know what you're missing by >>>>>>>>> having never eaten corn muffins. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Americans and their corn are like Asians and their soy beans. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <room reserved for Jebus> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, true in the sense it's overused thanks to lobbyists and >>>>>>> manufacturers in the U.S. But that's not to say corn is of itself bad >>>>>>> in moderation. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, I don't think so either, although it's probably always GM in the >>>>>> US. >>>>> >>>>> No, of course it isn't. Much of the sweet corn grown directly for the >>>>> table is non-GMO. Some dent corn is non-GMO so that some people can have >>>>> their fish tacos GMO-free. >>>> >>>> "Currently, up to 92% of U.S. corn is genetically engineered (GE), as >>>> are 94% of soybeans and 94% of cotton [1] (cottonseed oil is often >>>> used in food products). It has been estimated that upwards of 75% of >>>> processed foods on supermarket shelves €“ from soda to soup, crackers >>>> to condiments €“ contain genetically engineered ingredients." >>>> <https://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/issues/311/ge-foods/about-ge-foods> >>>> >>>> There goes your biodiversity. Everything becomes the same. In the >>>> future, all Americans will look and talk like Gary. You'll all have >>>> freshly painted houses full of ferrets! >>> >>> Eight percent of the corn grown in the U.S. is still a helluva lot of >>> corn. 8% of 366.6 million metric tons is close to 30 million metric >>> tons. >> >> Most of your corn is GM, which was my point. > > And my point is that people who don't want to eat GM corn can find > non-GM corn. You said "probably always", which is simply not the case. > > The relatively few people who actually care about GMOs aren't likely to > eat grocery-store processed food anyway. > > It's interesting that about half of Americans think GMOs are worse for > one's health, yet roughly 92% of them eat GMO corn (sometimes filtered > through farm animals first). > I am not concerned about health issues from GMO foods. I just dislike their marketing. For as long as there has been agriculture farmers have been saving a portion of their crop for seed for future crops. Farmers bought seed and then cultivated the crops, replanted and the cycle continued. With GMO plants they have to buy the seed new each year or pay a license fee to sow the grain that they grew. They have prosecuted farmers for using the seed of GMO grains that infiltrated their crops. If I ran the world the farmers would be able to take action against Monsanto for the contamination of their crops. |
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Bruce wrote:
> > "Currently, up to 92% of U.S. corn is genetically engineered (GE), as > are 94% of soybeans and 94% of cotton [1] (cottonseed oil is often > used in food products). It has been estimated that upwards of 75% of > processed foods on supermarket shelves €“ from soda to soup, crackers > to condiments €“ contain genetically engineered ingredients." > <https://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/issues/311/ge-foods/about-ge-foods> Science scares the hell out of you, doesn't it? Educate yourself and maybe you'll learn that much of it has improved lives. As chemical compounds scare you so much, don't ever get sick and require prescription meds. oh man > There goes your biodiversity. Everything becomes the same. In the > future, all Americans will look and talk like Gary. You'll all have > freshly painted houses full of ferrets! Sounds like my vision of Heaven except for the 'everyone looks like Gary' part. |
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