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On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 11:08:00 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> LOL that guy's face!!! Well at least I shall know how to do it if I
> ever confront a chicken wing )

I can't say if eating a chicken wing like that would work for a Westerner.
Those Chinese guys like to eat the cartilage and all those stringy parts
i.e., they can pick those bones clean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyJavZpFzCo

====

Eww I couldn't watch that(( Feet???

On 8/4/2019 10:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> I don't think I've ever seen any from those countries. The only
> white fish I buy is British cod or haddock Hmmm I don't know about
> shellfish, I will need to look)
>
Check the labels in Tesco - some of their fish is processed in China.
I only buy the Scottish or Norwegian stuff.

"S Viemeister" wrote in message ...

On 8/4/2019 10:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> I don't think I've ever seen any from those countries. The only
> white fish I buy is British cod or haddock Hmmm I don't know about
> shellfish, I will need to look)
>
Check the labels in Tesco - some of their fish is processed in China.
I only buy the Scottish or Norwegian stuff.

====

Thanks, I will!!! The prawns I just posted about are from ASDA

On 8/3/2019 10:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/3/2019 8:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I never really understood the fascination with chicken wings.Â* Yeah,
>> yeah, Buffalo and a bar and some hot sauce.Â* Oh, and some bleu cheese
>> dip and celery.Â* There's not much meat on chicken wings.Â* But hey, as
>> bar food it worked.Â* And caught on.
>
> I don't like Buffalo winds and I'm POd at the guy that invented them and
> drove the price up.Â* I just like them roasted in the oven.Â* The ratio of
> shin to meat is what makes them tasty.Â* Done right, the skin is crispy
> and you have a nice bit of meat.Â* They are not health food.

I know you said you don't like Buffalo wings but if you did you can make
in the oven. Well, they're broiled in the oven. Here's what I came up
with many years ago because I dislike the mess of deep frying:

3-4 lbs. chicken wings
pepper
3 Tbs. butter
3-4 Tbs. Tabasco
1/2 tsp. Season-All

Using a cleaver or chef's knife, remove wing tips at the joint. (Save
the tips in the freezer to make stock later if you're so inclined). Then
separate chicken wings at the joint. Melt butter and blend in Tabasco,
pepper and Season-All. Place chicken pieces on a broiler pan. Brush
generously with butter mixture. Broil about 6 inches from heat, 10 - 15
minutes until evenly browned and crispy, turning and basting with butter
mixture throughout. Serve with celery sticks and bleu cheese or ranch
dressing for dipping.
****
Not health food, for sure. Chicken wings cost too darn much to bother
with anymore. I did buy some chicken drummettes not long ago that I
baked and they were very tasty. But they were meaty little drummettes,
on sale, IIRC $1.29/lb. Whole chicken wings cost much more than that
and simply aren't worth the price.

Jill

On 2019-08-04 9:39 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> I don't like Buffalo wings and I'm POd at the guy that invented
>> them and drove the price up.
>
> Try Buffalo thighs or even Buffalo whole chicken. Same exact recipe,
> the price is right and a very tasty meal.
>

I love Buffalo wings. I used to have them frequently in bars and enjoy
them a a beer to three. It is the taste, the texture and the heat. Throw
in some strips of celery and carrots with blue cheese dressing and
you've got a match made in heaven. Other forms of chicken with hot
sauce just aren't the same.

Wings are now a taboo food for me. Well, almost taboo. I was told not to
eat them. I translated that to meaning I could only have them once a
year. Last summer I made the mistake of having them in a place where I
had never had them, and I didn't know that you could mess up such a
simple dish so badly. It was my one wing order of the year and it was
wasted on a bad one.

On 8/3/2019 6:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
..Â* Mom used to buy it
> for 39 cents/lb.Â* Last time I checked it was $14/lb.Â* A very tough cut
> of meat that has to be marinated (or, I supposed these days soux vide)
> and very thinly sliced when served.Â* Otherwise it's expensive shoe leather.

Sounds like cube steak, here.

I don't know what it usta be ($.79USD/lb in CA) , but I've seen it going
for as high as $10.00USD/lb, here in CO ....and this is cattle country,
hereabouts!

Bring on the "fake meat" ....if it's cheaper.

nb

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 14:57:57 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 10:26:37 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 10:10:01 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 21:50:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 19:49:09 -0600, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2019-08-03 7:42 p.m., Alex wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yup. At least pork shoulders go on sale for a decent price fairly
>>>>>> often.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially since China is cutting pork imports as a retaliatory
>>>>> measure.
>>>>
>>>>African swine fever is still in full bloom there now and is
>>>>reportedly worse than they'll admit.
>>>>
>>>>Note that "banning pork imports from the U.S" doesn't include us
>>>>shipping pork to China for processing and have them ship it back to
>>>>us (McRib patties, for example). I'm sure they're gonna be pinching
>>>>some of that pork and stuffing it in their pockets, too :-)
>>>
>>>I wouldn't like it if the cheap ass, shortcut loving, human manure
>>>oriented, melamine leaking Chinese got their hands on my food before I
>>>ate it.
>>>
>>>===
>>>
>>> That bad, huh?
>>
>>Lol, yes, I don't trust how they work. We don't buy Chinese frozen
>>fish, for instance. AU, NZ, EU, US, sure, but not Chinese, Vietnamese
>>etc.
>>
>>=====
>>
>> I don't think I've ever seen any from those countries. The only white
>>fish I buy is British cod or haddock Hmmm I don't know about shellfish, I
>>will need to look)
>
>Prawns and squid are worth checking, for instance.
>
>===
>
>Ok mine says, Raw and Peeled King Prawns 'Farmed in Vietnam/and or
>Indonesia/ and or India and packed in UK!
>
>I have to say though they are very good! What do you think might be wrong
>with them?

I don't know, I just don't trust them. They might have fed them
chicken manure. They'll have taken every shortcut they can think of.

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 15:17:22 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 8/4/2019 10:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> I don't think I've ever seen any from those countries. The only
>> white fish I buy is British cod or haddock Hmmm I don't know about
>> shellfish, I will need to look)
>>
>Check the labels in Tesco - some of their fish is processed in China.
>I only buy the Scottish or Norwegian stuff.

Yes, or NZ here.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 14:57:57 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 10:26:37 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 10:10:01 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 21:50:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 19:49:09 -0600, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2019-08-03 7:42 p.m., Alex wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yup. At least pork shoulders go on sale for a decent price fairly
>>>>>> often.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially since China is cutting pork imports as a retaliatory
>>>>> measure.
>>>>
>>>>African swine fever is still in full bloom there now and is
>>>>reportedly worse than they'll admit.
>>>>
>>>>Note that "banning pork imports from the U.S" doesn't include us
>>>>shipping pork to China for processing and have them ship it back to
>>>>us (McRib patties, for example). I'm sure they're gonna be pinching
>>>>some of that pork and stuffing it in their pockets, too :-)
>>>
>>>I wouldn't like it if the cheap ass, shortcut loving, human manure
>>>oriented, melamine leaking Chinese got their hands on my food before I
>>>ate it.
>>>
>>>===
>>>
>>> That bad, huh?
>>
>>Lol, yes, I don't trust how they work. We don't buy Chinese frozen
>>fish, for instance. AU, NZ, EU, US, sure, but not Chinese, Vietnamese
>>etc.
>>
>>=====
>>
>> I don't think I've ever seen any from those countries. The only white
>>fish I buy is British cod or haddock Hmmm I don't know about shellfish,
>>I
>>will need to look)
>
>Prawns and squid are worth checking, for instance.
>
>===
>
>Ok mine says, Raw and Peeled King Prawns 'Farmed in Vietnam/and or
>Indonesia/ and or India and packed in UK!
>
>I have to say though they are very good! What do you think might be wrong
>with them?

I don't know, I just don't trust them. They might have fed them
chicken manure. They'll have taken every shortcut they can think of.

===

Hmmm you are making me nervous now LOL

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 18:01:39 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 14:57:57 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>>Ok mine says, Raw and Peeled King Prawns 'Farmed in Vietnam/and or
>>Indonesia/ and or India and packed in UK!
>>
>>I have to say though they are very good! What do you think might be wrong
>>with them?
>
>I don't know, I just don't trust them. They might have fed them
>chicken manure. They'll have taken every shortcut they can think of.
>
>===
>
> Hmmm you are making me nervous now LOL

LOL. I just think they have different standards. As in no standards.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 18:01:39 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 14:57:57 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>>Ok mine says, Raw and Peeled King Prawns 'Farmed in Vietnam/and or
>>Indonesia/ and or India and packed in UK!
>>
>>I have to say though they are very good! What do you think might be wrong
>>with them?
>
>I don't know, I just don't trust them. They might have fed them
>chicken manure. They'll have taken every shortcut they can think of.
>
>===
>
> Hmmm you are making me nervous now LOL

LOL. I just think they have different standards. As in no standards.

====

(

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 5:52:25 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 2:48:03 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, it didn't upset me as I've never seen it below $3.99 per pound here.
> > > Ever.
> > >
> >
> > Many years ago, I never saw brisket anywhere around here. I wonder
> > if they ground it up into hamburg back then? Chicken wings also were
> > mostly used for stock making. But now these meats are very popular
> > and command high prices.
> >
> Yeah, the price of chicken wings sometimes makes me think I should just spring
> for a New York strip steak.

Wings at our local market sold for $4.99CD.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 10:44:36 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 15:17:22 +0100, S Viemeister wrote:
>
>> On 8/4/2019 10:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think I've ever seen any from those countries. The only
>>> white fish I buy is British cod or haddock Hmmm I don't know about
>>> shellfish, I will need to look)
>>>
>> Check the labels in Tesco - some of their fish is processed in China.
>> I only buy the Scottish or Norwegian stuff.
>
>Walmart's "Alaskan Salmon" is the bottom of the barrel chum salmon
>that even the canneries in Alaska don't want. It's sold to China,
>who cleans and cuts it, then it's frozen and sold to Walmart.
>
>"Alaskan Salmon. Product of China"
>
>-sw

BJs Wellsley Farms Wild Alaskan pink salmon is excellent,,, caught and
processed in Alaska. Each 6oz can contains a solid piece of salmon,
no bones, no skin. A 6 pack cost $14.

In article >, Ed Pawlowski
> wrote:

> I was visiting a farm one day and the farmer showed me his prize pig.
> Said he won a few ribbons at the Fair. I asked him why he was missing a
> leg. Farmer said "when you have a good prize pig, you don't want to eat
> him all at once."

The way I heard it, the pig had saved the family from a fire by
squealing and killed a copperhead that was threatening the baby. You
don't eat a good pig like that, all at once. Meh...probably a different
farmer.

leo

On 2019-08-08 2:29 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 05:12:11 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 5:52:25 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the price of chicken wings sometimes makes me think I should just spring
>>> for a New York strip steak.
>>
>> Wings at our local market sold for $4.99CD.
>
> Per kilogram.


More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
usually advertised in pounds.

On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-08-08 2:29 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 05:12:11 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 5:52:25 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yeah, the price of chicken wings sometimes makes me think I should just spring
> >>> for a New York strip steak.
> >>
> >> Wings at our local market sold for $4.99CD.
> >
> > Per kilogram.
>
>
> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
> usually advertised in pounds.


Per pound. Cold cuts are often (depending on the shop) quoted in $'s per 100 grams. Smoked fish at my local deli is also priced in $'s per 100 grams.
Packaged bacon now usually comes in 375 gram packages.

On 2019-08-08 8:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:52 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

>> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
>> usually advertised in pounds.
>
> I wondered about that, and I searched for every measurement of meat
> and poultry prices in CA, and they're all calculated per KG. I
> didn't search individual retail grocery stores, though.
>
> That seems kinda silly that wholesale prices are calculated per KG,
> but retail per LB <shrug>
>

There are a couple issues. First of all, most older adults/shoppers grew
up with Imperial measures so they calculate their meat quantities in
pounds. That is what they are familiar with. Secondly there is the
matter of a kilo being 2.2 pounds, so something that is $5/lb translates
to $11 per kg, Even though a piece of meat will cost the same whether
is sold by the pound or the kilo, there is the perception of the much
higher cost.

The way they get around it with cold cuts and deli stuff is to price it
per 100 kg..... about 1/4 lb. Slap a $5 /lb price on a cold cut and it
translates to $11 per kg, but a 100 gram servicing is only $1.10. It
looks like a bargain,

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 00:40:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2019-08-08 8:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:52 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
>>>> usually advertised in pounds.
>>>
>>> I wondered about that, and I searched for every measurement of meat
>>> and poultry prices in CA, and they're all calculated per KG. I
>>> didn't search individual retail grocery stores, though.
>>>
>>> That seems kinda silly that wholesale prices are calculated per KG,
>>> but retail per LB <shrug>
>>>
>>
>> There are a couple issues. First of all, most older adults/shoppers grew
>> up with Imperial measures so they calculate their meat quantities in
>> pounds. That is what they are familiar with. Secondly there is the
>> matter of a kilo being 2.2 pounds, so something that is $5/lb translates
>> to $11 per kg, Even though a piece of meat will cost the same whether
>> is sold by the pound or the kilo, there is the perception of the much
>> higher cost.
>>
>> The way they get around it with cold cuts and deli stuff is to price it
>> per 100 kg..... about 1/4 lb. Slap a $5 /lb price on a cold cut and it
>> translates to $11 per kg, but a 100 gram servicing is only $1.10. It
>> looks like a bargain,
>
>Kinda like how they tried selling gas here 'Per Liter' in the
>mid-late 70's. Nobody really did the math so the price per liter
>was actually much more than it was per gallon ($.35/L vs $1.25/Gal).
>They also did it with milk and soda.
>
>That's why the metric system never really caught on here back then
>during "The Big Push". A few people did the math and realized the
>boondoggle and told everyone else, "Metric is Evil!". Too many
>companies tried to unjustly profit from the transition and it died
>quickly.
>
>Except for soda - that's still sold in 1, 2 and 3 liter bottles. Go
>figure, eh?
>
>-sw

For beverages the liter caught on because it's a bit more than a quart
but sells at the same price that a quart did, people think it's a
bargain. However people forget that the beverage is the least costly
part of the product; the container, advertising, transportation, and
profit is a larger share.
I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
millimeters,. Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
wrenches. And don't dare tell me "spanners".
Did yoose Canadians know there's a dog breed called a Chinook?
https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/chinook.htm

wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 00:40:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-08-08 8:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:52 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
>>>>> usually advertised in pounds.
>>>>
>>>> I wondered about that, and I searched for every measurement of meat
>>>> and poultry prices in CA, and they're all calculated per KG. I
>>>> didn't search individual retail grocery stores, though.
>>>>
>>>> That seems kinda silly that wholesale prices are calculated per KG,
>>>> but retail per LB <shrug>
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are a couple issues. First of all, most older adults/shoppers grew
>>> up with Imperial measures so they calculate their meat quantities in
>>> pounds. That is what they are familiar with. Secondly there is the
>>> matter of a kilo being 2.2 pounds, so something that is $5/lb translates
>>> to $11 per kg, Even though a piece of meat will cost the same whether
>>> is sold by the pound or the kilo, there is the perception of the much
>>> higher cost.
>>>
>>> The way they get around it with cold cuts and deli stuff is to price it
>>> per 100 kg..... about 1/4 lb. Slap a $5 /lb price on a cold cut and it
>>> translates to $11 per kg, but a 100 gram servicing is only $1.10. It
>>> looks like a bargain,
>>
>> Kinda like how they tried selling gas here 'Per Liter' in the
>> mid-late 70's. Nobody really did the math so the price per liter
>> was actually much more than it was per gallon ($.35/L vs $1.25/Gal).
>> They also did it with milk and soda.
>>
>> That's why the metric system never really caught on here back then
>> during "The Big Push". A few people did the math and realized the
>> boondoggle and told everyone else, "Metric is Evil!". Too many
>> companies tried to unjustly profit from the transition and it died
>> quickly.
>>
>> Except for soda - that's still sold in 1, 2 and 3 liter bottles. Go
>> figure, eh?
>>
>> -sw
>
> For beverages the liter caught on because it's a bit more than a quart
> but sells at the same price that a quart did, people think it's a
> bargain. However people forget that the beverage is the least costly
> part of the product; the container, advertising, transportation, and
> profit is a larger share.
> I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
> easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
> millimeters,. Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
> wrenches. And don't dare tell me "spanners".
> Did yoose Canadians know there's a dog breed called a Chinook?
> https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/chinook.htm
>

I bet yoose have a chinook guarding yoose pirate chest!

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 1:05:02 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 00:40:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On 2019-08-08 8:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:52 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>>> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
> >>>> usually advertised in pounds.
> >>>
> >>> I wondered about that, and I searched for every measurement of meat
> >>> and poultry prices in CA, and they're all calculated per KG. I
> >>> didn't search individual retail grocery stores, though.
> >>>
> >>> That seems kinda silly that wholesale prices are calculated per KG,
> >>> but retail per LB <shrug>
> >>>
> >>
> >> There are a couple issues. First of all, most older adults/shoppers grew
> >> up with Imperial measures so they calculate their meat quantities in
> >> pounds. That is what they are familiar with. Secondly there is the
> >> matter of a kilo being 2.2 pounds, so something that is $5/lb translates
> >> to $11 per kg, Even though a piece of meat will cost the same whether
> >> is sold by the pound or the kilo, there is the perception of the much
> >> higher cost.
> >>
> >> The way they get around it with cold cuts and deli stuff is to price it
> >> per 100 kg..... about 1/4 lb. Slap a $5 /lb price on a cold cut and it
> >> translates to $11 per kg, but a 100 gram servicing is only $1.10. It
> >> looks like a bargain,
> >
> >Kinda like how they tried selling gas here 'Per Liter' in the
> >mid-late 70's. Nobody really did the math so the price per liter
> >was actually much more than it was per gallon ($.35/L vs $1.25/Gal).
> >They also did it with milk and soda.
> >
> >That's why the metric system never really caught on here back then
> >during "The Big Push". A few people did the math and realized the
> >boondoggle and told everyone else, "Metric is Evil!". Too many
> >companies tried to unjustly profit from the transition and it died
> >quickly.
> >
> >Except for soda - that's still sold in 1, 2 and 3 liter bottles. Go
> >figure, eh?
> >
> >-sw
>
> For beverages the liter caught on because it's a bit more than a quart
> but sells at the same price that a quart did, people think it's a
> bargain. However people forget that the beverage is the least costly
> part of the product; the container, advertising, transportation, and
> profit is a larger share.
> I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
> easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
> millimeters,. Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
> wrenches. And don't dare tell me "spanners".
> Did yoose Canadians know there's a dog breed called a Chinook?
> https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/chinook.htm

A centimeter is about half an inch. A millimeter is about the thickness
of a dime. A meter is a tad more than a yard. A kilometer is a little
over half a mile.

At this stage of your life, how much precision do you really need?

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/9/2019 1:04 PM, wrote:

> I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
> easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
> millimeters,. Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
> wrenches. And don't dare tell me "spanners".

That surprises me. I had many guys at work far less intelligent and
skilled as you and they picked up metric sizes and tools easily.

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 2:44:47 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 1:05:02 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 00:40:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2019-08-08 8:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> > >>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:52 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
> > >>>> usually advertised in pounds.
> > >>>
> > >>> I wondered about that, and I searched for every measurement of meat
> > >>> and poultry prices in CA, and they're all calculated per KG. I
> > >>> didn't search individual retail grocery stores, though.
> > >>>
> > >>> That seems kinda silly that wholesale prices are calculated per KG,
> > >>> but retail per LB <shrug>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> There are a couple issues. First of all, most older adults/shoppers grew
> > >> up with Imperial measures so they calculate their meat quantities in
> > >> pounds. That is what they are familiar with. Secondly there is the
> > >> matter of a kilo being 2.2 pounds, so something that is $5/lb translates
> > >> to $11 per kg, Even though a piece of meat will cost the same whether
> > >> is sold by the pound or the kilo, there is the perception of the much
> > >> higher cost.
> > >>
> > >> The way they get around it with cold cuts and deli stuff is to price it
> > >> per 100 kg..... about 1/4 lb. Slap a $5 /lb price on a cold cut and it
> > >> translates to $11 per kg, but a 100 gram servicing is only $1.10. It
> > >> looks like a bargain,
> > >
> > >Kinda like how they tried selling gas here 'Per Liter' in the
> > >mid-late 70's. Nobody really did the math so the price per liter
> > >was actually much more than it was per gallon ($.35/L vs $1.25/Gal).
> > >They also did it with milk and soda.
> > >
> > >That's why the metric system never really caught on here back then
> > >during "The Big Push". A few people did the math and realized the
> > >boondoggle and told everyone else, "Metric is Evil!". Too many
> > >companies tried to unjustly profit from the transition and it died
> > >quickly.
> > >
> > >Except for soda - that's still sold in 1, 2 and 3 liter bottles. Go
> > >figure, eh?
> > >
> > >-sw
> >
> > For beverages the liter caught on because it's a bit more than a quart
> > but sells at the same price that a quart did, people think it's a
> > bargain. However people forget that the beverage is the least costly
> > part of the product; the container, advertising, transportation, and
> > profit is a larger share.
> > I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
> > easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
> > millimeters,. Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
> > wrenches. And don't dare tell me "spanners".
> > Did yoose Canadians know there's a dog breed called a Chinook?
> > https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/chinook.htm
>
> A centimeter is about half an inch. A millimeter is about the thickness
> of a dime. A meter is a tad more than a yard. A kilometer is a little
> over half a mile.
>
> At this stage of your life, how much precision do you really need?
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I'm a machinist, and sometimes I need to convert. 25.4mm to an inch and all that. In Canada, I still work more in imperial than in metric. That's because much of our work goes to the US. Prints in metric that need to be converted etc.

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 7:05:02 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 00:40:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On 2019-08-08 8:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:52 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>>> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
> >>>> usually advertised in pounds.
> >>>
> >>> I wondered about that, and I searched for every measurement of meat
> >>> and poultry prices in CA, and they're all calculated per KG. I
> >>> didn't search individual retail grocery stores, though.
> >>>
> >>> That seems kinda silly that wholesale prices are calculated per KG,
> >>> but retail per LB <shrug>
> >>>
> >>
> >> There are a couple issues. First of all, most older adults/shoppers grew
> >> up with Imperial measures so they calculate their meat quantities in
> >> pounds. That is what they are familiar with. Secondly there is the
> >> matter of a kilo being 2.2 pounds, so something that is $5/lb translates
> >> to $11 per kg, Even though a piece of meat will cost the same whether
> >> is sold by the pound or the kilo, there is the perception of the much
> >> higher cost.
> >>
> >> The way they get around it with cold cuts and deli stuff is to price it
> >> per 100 kg..... about 1/4 lb. Slap a $5 /lb price on a cold cut and it
> >> translates to $11 per kg, but a 100 gram servicing is only $1.10. It
> >> looks like a bargain,
> >
> >Kinda like how they tried selling gas here 'Per Liter' in the
> >mid-late 70's. Nobody really did the math so the price per liter
> >was actually much more than it was per gallon ($.35/L vs $1.25/Gal).
> >They also did it with milk and soda.
> >
> >That's why the metric system never really caught on here back then
> >during "The Big Push". A few people did the math and realized the
> >boondoggle and told everyone else, "Metric is Evil!". Too many
> >companies tried to unjustly profit from the transition and it died
> >quickly.
> >
> >Except for soda - that's still sold in 1, 2 and 3 liter bottles. Go
> >figure, eh?
> >
> >-sw
>
> For beverages the liter caught on because it's a bit more than a quart
> but sells at the same price that a quart did, people think it's a
> bargain. However people forget that the beverage is the least costly
> part of the product; the container, advertising, transportation, and
> profit is a larger share.
> I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
> easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
> millimeters,. Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
> wrenches. And don't dare tell me "spanners".
> Did yoose Canadians know there's a dog breed called a Chinook?
> https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/chinook.htm

I love metric wrenches. I can usually tell a metric nut size by sight. Italian cars would have a slightly heavier duty "feel" to them because whee a Japanese car would use a 12 or 14 mm nut, the Italian/German car would use a 13 or 15 mm one.

When I was doing graphic layouts, I learned to use centimeters instead of inches right off the bat. Dividing 8.5" into 3 equal parts to the nearest 1/16" is kind of a bitch. Dividing 21.6 cm by 3 is easy as pie.

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 8:44:47 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 1:05:02 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 00:40:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2019-08-08 8:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> > >>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:52 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
> > >>>> usually advertised in pounds.
> > >>>
> > >>> I wondered about that, and I searched for every measurement of meat
> > >>> and poultry prices in CA, and they're all calculated per KG. I
> > >>> didn't search individual retail grocery stores, though.
> > >>>
> > >>> That seems kinda silly that wholesale prices are calculated per KG,
> > >>> but retail per LB <shrug>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> There are a couple issues. First of all, most older adults/shoppers grew
> > >> up with Imperial measures so they calculate their meat quantities in
> > >> pounds. That is what they are familiar with. Secondly there is the
> > >> matter of a kilo being 2.2 pounds, so something that is $5/lb translates
> > >> to $11 per kg, Even though a piece of meat will cost the same whether
> > >> is sold by the pound or the kilo, there is the perception of the much
> > >> higher cost.
> > >>
> > >> The way they get around it with cold cuts and deli stuff is to price it
> > >> per 100 kg..... about 1/4 lb. Slap a $5 /lb price on a cold cut and it
> > >> translates to $11 per kg, but a 100 gram servicing is only $1.10. It
> > >> looks like a bargain,
> > >
> > >Kinda like how they tried selling gas here 'Per Liter' in the
> > >mid-late 70's. Nobody really did the math so the price per liter
> > >was actually much more than it was per gallon ($.35/L vs $1.25/Gal).
> > >They also did it with milk and soda.
> > >
> > >That's why the metric system never really caught on here back then
> > >during "The Big Push". A few people did the math and realized the
> > >boondoggle and told everyone else, "Metric is Evil!". Too many
> > >companies tried to unjustly profit from the transition and it died
> > >quickly.
> > >
> > >Except for soda - that's still sold in 1, 2 and 3 liter bottles. Go
> > >figure, eh?
> > >
> > >-sw
> >
> > For beverages the liter caught on because it's a bit more than a quart
> > but sells at the same price that a quart did, people think it's a
> > bargain. However people forget that the beverage is the least costly
> > part of the product; the container, advertising, transportation, and
> > profit is a larger share.
> > I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
> > easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
> > millimeters,. Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
> > wrenches. And don't dare tell me "spanners".
> > Did yoose Canadians know there's a dog breed called a Chinook?
> > https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/chinook.htm
>
> A centimeter is about half an inch. A millimeter is about the thickness
> of a dime. A meter is a tad more than a yard. A kilometer is a little
> over half a mile.
>
> At this stage of your life, how much precision do you really need?
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Oddly enough, the size of an inch was changed to equal exactly 2.54cm. That means that in 1959, our inches, feet, and miles, changed. The only question I got is if it got longer or shorter.

On 2019-08-09 2:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 1:05:02 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 00:40:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2019-08-08 8:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:52 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
>>>>>> usually advertised in pounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wondered about that, and I searched for every measurement of meat
>>>>> and poultry prices in CA, and they're all calculated per KG. I
>>>>> didn't search individual retail grocery stores, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> That seems kinda silly that wholesale prices are calculated per KG,
>>>>> but retail per LB <shrug>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are a couple issues. First of all, most older adults/shoppers grew
>>>> up with Imperial measures so they calculate their meat quantities in
>>>> pounds. That is what they are familiar with. Secondly there is the
>>>> matter of a kilo being 2.2 pounds, so something that is $5/lb translates
>>>> to $11 per kg, Even though a piece of meat will cost the same whether
>>>> is sold by the pound or the kilo, there is the perception of the much
>>>> higher cost.
>>>>
>>>> The way they get around it with cold cuts and deli stuff is to price it
>>>> per 100 kg..... about 1/4 lb. Slap a $5 /lb price on a cold cut and it
>>>> translates to $11 per kg, but a 100 gram servicing is only $1.10. It
>>>> looks like a bargain,
>>>
>>> Kinda like how they tried selling gas here 'Per Liter' in the
>>> mid-late 70's. Nobody really did the math so the price per liter
>>> was actually much more than it was per gallon ($.35/L vs $1.25/Gal).
>>> They also did it with milk and soda.
>>>
>>> That's why the metric system never really caught on here back then
>>> during "The Big Push". A few people did the math and realized the
>>> boondoggle and told everyone else, "Metric is Evil!". Too many
>>> companies tried to unjustly profit from the transition and it died
>>> quickly.
>>>
>>> Except for soda - that's still sold in 1, 2 and 3 liter bottles. Go
>>> figure, eh?
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> For beverages the liter caught on because it's a bit more than a quart
>> but sells at the same price that a quart did, people think it's a
>> bargain. However people forget that the beverage is the least costly
>> part of the product; the container, advertising, transportation, and
>> profit is a larger share.
>> I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
>> easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
>> millimeters,. Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
>> wrenches. And don't dare tell me "spanners".
> A centimeter is about half an inch. A millimeter is about the thickness
> of a dime. A meter is a tad more than a yard. A kilometer is a little
> over half a mile.
>
> At this stage of your life, how much precision do you really need?
>

Most people are pretty bad at estimating any dimension, especially in
some of the most common usage, like weather. We measure snowfall in cm
and rain in mm. The only way you can really measure rainfall is to
capture it and measure it. The rest of it falls on the ground where
some if it is absorbed into the soil and the rest runs down hill and
accumulates so the rise in the water level in rivers and streams is
often much greater than the measured rainfall.

Estimating highway driving time and distance is another matter. If you
are driving. If you on a trip and travelling 250 miles at 60 mph you are
doing a mile a minute. That means 250 miles, so then you have to divide
by 60 and it is 4 hours and 10 minutes. When you use metric the
highway speed is rounded up to 100 kph. That same distance is 400 km, so
it will take you 4 hours. Make it 600 km and it will take you 6 hours.

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 17:34:53 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>The only way you can really measure rainfall is to
>capture it and measure it.

The things we learn from Dave Smith!

On 2019-08-09 2:04 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/9/2019 1:04 PM, wrote:
>
>> I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
>> easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
>> millimeters,.Â* Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
>> wrenches.Â* And don't dare tell me "spanners".
>
> That surprises me.Â* I had many guys at work far less intelligent and
> skilled as you and they picked up metric sizes and tools easily.
>

In Canada and most foreign countries, petroleum exploration and
development wells are measured in metres. However, even though the same
companies work in the US, they measure US wells in feet. The weirdest
situation, however, is that Latin American countries have long been
metric but their wells are measured in feet.

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 5:34:17 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-08-09 2:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 1:05:02 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> >> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 00:40:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2019-08-08 8:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:52 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
> >>>>>> usually advertised in pounds.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wondered about that, and I searched for every measurement of meat
> >>>>> and poultry prices in CA, and they're all calculated per KG. I
> >>>>> didn't search individual retail grocery stores, though.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That seems kinda silly that wholesale prices are calculated per KG,
> >>>>> but retail per LB <shrug>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> There are a couple issues. First of all, most older adults/shoppers grew
> >>>> up with Imperial measures so they calculate their meat quantities in
> >>>> pounds. That is what they are familiar with. Secondly there is the
> >>>> matter of a kilo being 2.2 pounds, so something that is $5/lb translates
> >>>> to $11 per kg, Even though a piece of meat will cost the same whether
> >>>> is sold by the pound or the kilo, there is the perception of the much
> >>>> higher cost.
> >>>>
> >>>> The way they get around it with cold cuts and deli stuff is to price it
> >>>> per 100 kg..... about 1/4 lb. Slap a $5 /lb price on a cold cut and it
> >>>> translates to $11 per kg, but a 100 gram servicing is only $1.10. It
> >>>> looks like a bargain,
> >>>
> >>> Kinda like how they tried selling gas here 'Per Liter' in the
> >>> mid-late 70's. Nobody really did the math so the price per liter
> >>> was actually much more than it was per gallon ($.35/L vs $1.25/Gal).
> >>> They also did it with milk and soda.
> >>>
> >>> That's why the metric system never really caught on here back then
> >>> during "The Big Push". A few people did the math and realized the
> >>> boondoggle and told everyone else, "Metric is Evil!". Too many
> >>> companies tried to unjustly profit from the transition and it died
> >>> quickly.
> >>>
> >>> Except for soda - that's still sold in 1, 2 and 3 liter bottles. Go
> >>> figure, eh?
> >>>
> >>> -sw
> >>
> >> For beverages the liter caught on because it's a bit more than a quart
> >> but sells at the same price that a quart did, people think it's a
> >> bargain. However people forget that the beverage is the least costly
> >> part of the product; the container, advertising, transportation, and
> >> profit is a larger share.
> >> I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
> >> easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
> >> millimeters,. Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
> >> wrenches. And don't dare tell me "spanners".
> > A centimeter is about half an inch. A millimeter is about the thickness
> > of a dime. A meter is a tad more than a yard. A kilometer is a little
> > over half a mile.
> >
> > At this stage of your life, how much precision do you really need?
> >
>
> Most people are pretty bad at estimating any dimension, especially in
> some of the most common usage, like weather. We measure snowfall in cm
> and rain in mm. The only way you can really measure rainfall is to
> capture it and measure it. The rest of it falls on the ground where
> some if it is absorbed into the soil and the rest runs down hill and
> accumulates so the rise in the water level in rivers and streams is
> often much greater than the measured rainfall.
>
> Estimating highway driving time and distance is another matter. If you
> are driving. If you on a trip and travelling 250 miles at 60 mph you are
> doing a mile a minute. That means 250 miles, so then you have to divide
> by 60 and it is 4 hours and 10 minutes.

Not much traffic where you are, is there?

In any event, I never do 60. If the speed limit is 70, I do 80
except where slow-asses get in my way.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/10/2019 5:53 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 5:34:17 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-08-09 2:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 1:05:02 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 00:40:07 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:54:44 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2019-08-08 8:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:08:52 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More likely per pound. While we are officially metric, meat prices are
>>>>>>>> usually advertised in pounds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wondered about that, and I searched for every measurement of meat
>>>>>>> and poultry prices in CA, and they're all calculated per KG. I
>>>>>>> didn't search individual retail grocery stores, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That seems kinda silly that wholesale prices are calculated per KG,
>>>>>>> but retail per LB <shrug>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a couple issues. First of all, most older adults/shoppers grew
>>>>>> up with Imperial measures so they calculate their meat quantities in
>>>>>> pounds. That is what they are familiar with. Secondly there is the
>>>>>> matter of a kilo being 2.2 pounds, so something that is $5/lb translates
>>>>>> to $11 per kg, Even though a piece of meat will cost the same whether
>>>>>> is sold by the pound or the kilo, there is the perception of the much
>>>>>> higher cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The way they get around it with cold cuts and deli stuff is to price it
>>>>>> per 100 kg..... about 1/4 lb. Slap a $5 /lb price on a cold cut and it
>>>>>> translates to $11 per kg, but a 100 gram servicing is only $1.10. It
>>>>>> looks like a bargain,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kinda like how they tried selling gas here 'Per Liter' in the
>>>>> mid-late 70's. Nobody really did the math so the price per liter
>>>>> was actually much more than it was per gallon ($.35/L vs $1.25/Gal).
>>>>> They also did it with milk and soda.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why the metric system never really caught on here back then
>>>>> during "The Big Push". A few people did the math and realized the
>>>>> boondoggle and told everyone else, "Metric is Evil!". Too many
>>>>> companies tried to unjustly profit from the transition and it died
>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except for soda - that's still sold in 1, 2 and 3 liter bottles. Go
>>>>> figure, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> For beverages the liter caught on because it's a bit more than a quart
>>>> but sells at the same price that a quart did, people think it's a
>>>> bargain. However people forget that the beverage is the least costly
>>>> part of the product; the container, advertising, transportation, and
>>>> profit is a larger share.
>>>> I can deal with weights and volumes in metric but not sizes... I can
>>>> easily visualize inches, feet, yards, even miles but not silly
>>>> millimeters,. Metric wrenches give me a fit, especially allen
>>>> wrenches. And don't dare tell me "spanners".
>>> A centimeter is about half an inch. A millimeter is about the thickness
>>> of a dime. A meter is a tad more than a yard. A kilometer is a little
>>> over half a mile.
>>>
>>> At this stage of your life, how much precision do you really need?
>>>
>>
>> Most people are pretty bad at estimating any dimension, especially in
>> some of the most common usage, like weather. We measure snowfall in cm
>> and rain in mm. The only way you can really measure rainfall is to
>> capture it and measure it. The rest of it falls on the ground where
>> some if it is absorbed into the soil and the rest runs down hill and
>> accumulates so the rise in the water level in rivers and streams is
>> often much greater than the measured rainfall.
>>
>> Estimating highway driving time and distance is another matter. If you
>> are driving. If you on a trip and travelling 250 miles at 60 mph you are
>> doing a mile a minute. That means 250 miles, so then you have to divide
>> by 60 and it is 4 hours and 10 minutes.
>
> Not much traffic where you are, is there?
>
> In any event, I never do 60. If the speed limit is 70, I do 80
> except where slow-asses get in my way.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Wow, you're a wild one. Being much more conservative I set the CC for 79.

On 8/10/2019 8:48 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 12:04:36 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 10:44:36 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>
>>> "Alaskan Salmon. Product of China"
>>
>> BJs Wellsley Farms Wild Alaskan pink salmon is excellent,,, caught and
>> processed in Alaska. Each 6oz can contains a solid piece of salmon,
>> no bones, no skin. A 6 pack cost $14.
>
> Well, $16. And it's CANNED salmon. Whole different animal than
> real salmon. Not to mention the oxymoron of "Wild Salmon" coming
> from "Wellsley Farms". Yeah, Walmart doesn't exactly pay their
> marketing dept top dollar. You know where they got that name?
>
> https://namelix.com/
>
> -sw
>
Their headquarters started in or near Wellsley MA.It is an upscale
suburb in the Boston area. BJs is from the daughter of the founder,
Beverly Jean.