I am having trouble finding good, fresh produce for a good price. The celery
seems to be good now but very expensive. That's being blamed for the very
reason I want it. To juice it. Juicing has become so trendy that stores are
sometimes selling out and having trouble keeping up with demand.

Winco told me they are having difficulty getting strawberries. They didn't
tell me why. They've been out the last few times I was in there. Their large
lemons were actually mushy and visibly rotting. The small ones and the limes
were fine. I have passed up buying summer squash, cucumbers and peppers
there because they were mushy. But this problem is not limited to Winco.
I've seen the same with all of these items at several other stores.

I gave up on going to the produce markets because there is so little local
stuff available. I blame our weather for that. We had a few hot days early
on then weather so chilly that I renamed this month Junuary. We've been
wearing winter clothes and coats. Today is supposed to reach 80 or so. Will
believe it when I see it. We've also had very little rain but a little ways
South of here, there was so much rain two days ago that there was flooding.
So far I only got one edible strawberry and it was tiny. I bought a mature
tomato plant with tomatoes on it but I doubt they will ripen. If they do, it
might not be until Sept.

Sometimes I do find good looking stuff but it's tiny and expensive. There's
a new bell pepper that is yellow and red but they are no bigger than a
baseball if that and $2.99 each. Winco has good prices on cilantro, parsley
and green onions but sometimes the cilantro isn't very fresh.

I feel like I'm starved for fresh produce. I did get some really good, tiny,
blue potatoes at Sprouts. The carrots have been good most everywhere. The
broccoli seems fine but we don't eat a lot of that. Apples? No problem. I am
Jonesing for more variety!

Are things this bad in your area? Or is it just here? I've been resorting to
buying frozen stuff, especially for stir fries.

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 3:23:51 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> I am having trouble finding good, fresh produce for a good price. The celery
> seems to be good now but very expensive. That's being blamed for the very
> reason I want it. To juice it. Juicing has become so trendy that stores are
> sometimes selling out and having trouble keeping up with demand.
>
> Winco told me they are having difficulty getting strawberries. They didn't
> tell me why. They've been out the last few times I was in there. Their large
> lemons were actually mushy and visibly rotting. The small ones and the limes
> were fine. I have passed up buying summer squash, cucumbers and peppers
> there because they were mushy. But this problem is not limited to Winco.
> I've seen the same with all of these items at several other stores.
>
> I gave up on going to the produce markets because there is so little local
> stuff available. I blame our weather for that. We had a few hot days early
> on then weather so chilly that I renamed this month Junuary. We've been
> wearing winter clothes and coats. Today is supposed to reach 80 or so. Will
> believe it when I see it. We've also had very little rain but a little ways
> South of here, there was so much rain two days ago that there was flooding.
> So far I only got one edible strawberry and it was tiny. I bought a mature
> tomato plant with tomatoes on it but I doubt they will ripen. If they do, it
> might not be until Sept.
>
> Sometimes I do find good looking stuff but it's tiny and expensive. There's
> a new bell pepper that is yellow and red but they are no bigger than a
> baseball if that and $2.99 each. Winco has good prices on cilantro, parsley
> and green onions but sometimes the cilantro isn't very fresh.
>
> I feel like I'm starved for fresh produce. I did get some really good, tiny,
> blue potatoes at Sprouts. The carrots have been good most everywhere. The
> broccoli seems fine but we don't eat a lot of that. Apples? No problem. I am
> Jonesing for more variety!
>
> Are things this bad in your area? Or is it just here? I've been resorting to
> buying frozen stuff, especially for stir fries.

No. The produce in the grocery store looks great and the prices don't
seem any higher than ever.

Cindy Hamilton

Julie Bove wrote:
....
> Are things this bad in your area? Or is it just here? I've been resorting to
> buying frozen stuff, especially for stir fries.

where is here?

i've not noticed it being too horrible other than for
celery.

juicing is a waste of $.

most people need more fiber that is rough not all
ground to bits and if you want something to drink
have some water.


songbird

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 8:12:05 AM UTC-4, songbird wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
> ...
> > Are things this bad in your area? Or is it just here? I've been resorting to
> > buying frozen stuff, especially for stir fries.
>
> where is here?
>
> i've not noticed it being too horrible other than for
> celery.
>
> juicing is a waste of $.
>
> most people need more fiber that is rough not all
> ground to bits and if you want something to drink
> have some water.
>
>
> songbird

On 12 Jul 2019 songbird wrote:
>Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Are things this bad in your area? Or is it just here? I've been resorting to
>> buying frozen stuff, especially for stir fries.
>
> where is here?
>
> i've not noticed it being too horrible other than for
>celery.

The quality and price of celery varies by season, same with all
produce. I find our local market has good to excellent produce all
the time. Sometimes celery bunches are a bit on the small side with
narrow stalks but it's still good for most uses. I enjoy celery raw
but I also like it braised. I also use a lot of celery in stirfrys.

> juicing is a waste of $.
>
> most people need more fiber that is rough not all
>ground to bits and if you want something to drink
>have some water.
>
> songbird

Agreed, juicing produce is a total waste. It's smarter to braise it
or add to soups... when I braise produce I also consume the braising
liquid... otherwise it's like throwing the baby out with the bath
water.

> wrote in message
...
> On 12 Jul 2019 songbird wrote:
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> Are things this bad in your area? Or is it just here? I've been
>>> resorting to
>>> buying frozen stuff, especially for stir fries.
>>
>> where is here?
>>
>> i've not noticed it being too horrible other than for
>>celery.
>
> The quality and price of celery varies by season, same with all
> produce. I find our local market has good to excellent produce all
> the time. Sometimes celery bunches are a bit on the small side with
> narrow stalks but it's still good for most uses. I enjoy celery raw
> but I also like it braised. I also use a lot of celery in stirfrys.
>
>> juicing is a waste of $.
>>
>> most people need more fiber that is rough not all
>>ground to bits and if you want something to drink
>>have some water.
>>
>> songbird
>
> Agreed, juicing produce is a total waste. It's smarter to braise it
> or add to soups... when I braise produce I also consume the braising
> liquid... otherwise it's like throwing the baby out with the bath
> water.

I drink it in the morning before I eat. Really helps with my digestion.

Julie Bove wrote:
....
> I drink it in the morning before I eat. Really helps with my digestion.

any of the parsleys should work too.


songbird

On 7/12/2019 9:05 PM, songbird wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
> ...
>> I drink it in the morning before I eat. Really helps with my digestion.
>
> any of the parsleys should work too.
>
>
> songbird
>
She'll find a reason that won't work.

Jill

"songbird" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
> ...
>> I drink it in the morning before I eat. Really helps with my digestion.
>
> any of the parsleys should work too.

Yes.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:15:37 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I drink it in the morning before I eat. Really helps with my digestion.
>
> Celery has the highest concentration of nitrates of any food.
> You'd be better off drinking a pound of bacon than 5 ounces of
> celery juice.

Proof?

On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 22:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:15:37 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I drink it in the morning before I eat. Really helps with my digestion.
>>
>> Celery has the highest concentration of nitrates of any food.
>> You'd be better off drinking a pound of bacon than 5 ounces of
>> celery juice.
>
>Proof?

Eat a pound of bacon each morning and your clothes won't fit, you'll
have a dwarf's ass.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 22:58:42 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:15:37 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> I drink it in the morning before I eat. Really helps with my digestion.
>>>
>>> Celery has the highest concentration of nitrates of any food.
>>> You'd be better off drinking a pound of bacon than 5 ounces of
>>> celery juice.
>>
>> Proof?
>
> Look up something factual for once in your ****ing life. It's only
> two measly little words.

I did look it up. It's good for me!

On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 10:27:54 -0400, wrote:

>On 12 Jul 2019 songbird wrote:
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> Are things this bad in your area? Or is it just here? I've been resorting to
>>> buying frozen stuff, especially for stir fries.
>>
>> where is here?
>>
>> i've not noticed it being too horrible other than for
>>celery.
>
>The quality and price of celery varies by season, same with all
>produce. I find our local market has good to excellent produce all
>the time.

Of course! Popeye lives there for a reason!

Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 10:27:54 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On 12 Jul 2019 songbird wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are things this bad in your area? Or is it just here? I've been resorting to
>>>> buying frozen stuff, especially for stir fries.
>>>
>>> where is here?
>>>
>>> i've not noticed it being too horrible other than for
>>> celery.
>>
>> The quality and price of celery varies by season, same with all
>> produce. I find our local market has good to excellent produce all
>> the time.
>
> Of course! Popeye lives there for a reason!
>

Yes, the absolute FINEST produce on the planet. By way of contrast,
poor Bothel rarely has any produce, and even when it does, it is
poor quality and VERY expensive.

"songbird" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
> ...
>> Are things this bad in your area? Or is it just here? I've been resorting
>> to
>> buying frozen stuff, especially for stir fries.
>
> where is here?
>
> i've not noticed it being too horrible other than for
> celery.
>
> juicing is a waste of $.
>
> most people need more fiber that is rough not all
> ground to bits and if you want something to drink
> have some water.

I'm not most people. If I were to eat what I wanted to, I would get more
than double the recommended amount of fiber per day. I have gastroparesis
(slowed digestion) from diabetes so I have to really be careful not to
overdo on the fiber. Even in cutting back, I still take in about what the
daily amount should be. I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I chop
three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I do
not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop with
holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I chop
> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I do
> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop with
> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.

Sounds like you're NOT getting much celery nutrition that
way...just water plus a bare essence.

Just me but, in this situation, I would put those 3 ribs and the
cup of water into a blender and puree it all. Naturally, do
several batches all at once, then just drink a cup full at a
time.
You would need some layers of cheesecloth for this but that's
inexpensive.

What won't work about that?

Alt method: Put lots of cut celery and water in a crock pot and
let it simmer to extract most of the celery nutrition. Cool, then
drink. Or even drink it hot.

I make broccoli tea occasionally. It's delicious and nutritious.
I've tried that with other vegetables but only broccoli tea
shines.

On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:21:30 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
>> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I chop
>> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I do
>> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop with
>> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
>
>Sounds like you're NOT getting much celery nutrition that
>way...just water plus a bare essence.
>
>Just me but, in this situation, I would put those 3 ribs and the
>cup of water into a blender and puree it all. Naturally, do
>several batches all at once, then just drink a cup full at a
>time.
>You would need some layers of cheesecloth for this but that's
>inexpensive.
>
>What won't work about that?
>
>Alt method: Put lots of cut celery and water in a crock pot and
>let it simmer to extract most of the celery nutrition. Cool, then
>drink. Or even drink it hot.
>
>I make broccoli tea occasionally. It's delicious and nutritious.
>I've tried that with other vegetables but only broccoli tea
>shines.

Wouldn't it be easier to simply eat celery raw? I eat celery raw all
the time, I cut off the bottom white parts to eat raqw and the dark
green and leaves is used cooked or chopped into salads. This week
broccoli crowns are 99¢/lb. Nuked half to have with dinner last
night, the remaider will be left raw for a tossed salad. I will never
be convinced to juice produce, doesn't eating raw or cooked in soups
supply 100% of the nutrition? I know people who buy carrot juice and
have never thought of eating a raw carrot... carrot cake is more
nutritious and tastes better than carrot juice... a juicer removes the
fiber... then the imbeciles put it in the trash... at leat compost it
for the garden... oh, they are too unhealthy to maintain a garden.

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:21:30 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
>>> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I
>>> chop
>>> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I
>>> do
>>> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop
>>> with
>>> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
>>
>>Sounds like you're NOT getting much celery nutrition that
>>way...just water plus a bare essence.
>>
>>Just me but, in this situation, I would put those 3 ribs and the
>>cup of water into a blender and puree it all. Naturally, do
>>several batches all at once, then just drink a cup full at a
>>time.
>>You would need some layers of cheesecloth for this but that's
>>inexpensive.
>>
>>What won't work about that?
>>
>>Alt method: Put lots of cut celery and water in a crock pot and
>>let it simmer to extract most of the celery nutrition. Cool, then
>>drink. Or even drink it hot.
>>
>>I make broccoli tea occasionally. It's delicious and nutritious.
>>I've tried that with other vegetables but only broccoli tea
>>shines.
>
> Wouldn't it be easier to simply eat celery raw? I eat celery raw all
> the time, I cut off the bottom white parts to eat raqw and the dark
> green and leaves is used cooked or chopped into salads. This week
> broccoli crowns are 99¢/lb. Nuked half to have with dinner last
> night, the remaider will be left raw for a tossed salad. I will never
> be convinced to juice produce, doesn't eating raw or cooked in soups
> supply 100% of the nutrition? I know people who buy carrot juice and
> have never thought of eating a raw carrot... carrot cake is more
> nutritious and tastes better than carrot juice... a juicer removes the
> fiber... then the imbeciles put it in the trash... at leat compost it
> for the garden... oh, they are too unhealthy to maintain a garden.

I do eat it raw but the juice is supposed to help fatty liver, which I have.
Have been juicing now for a month or two and my liver profile is in range
and that area is less bloated than it once was.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
>> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I
>> chop
>> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I
>> do
>> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop
>> with
>> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
>
> Sounds like you're NOT getting much celery nutrition that
> way...just water plus a bare essence.
>
> Just me but, in this situation, I would put those 3 ribs and the
> cup of water into a blender and puree it all. Naturally, do
> several batches all at once, then just drink a cup full at a
> time.
> You would need some layers of cheesecloth for this but that's
> inexpensive.
>
> What won't work about that?
>
> Alt method: Put lots of cut celery and water in a crock pot and
> let it simmer to extract most of the celery nutrition. Cool, then
> drink. Or even drink it hot.
>
> I make broccoli tea occasionally. It's delicious and nutritious.
> I've tried that with other vegetables but only broccoli tea
> shines.

I want a cold drink and they say that it needs to be consumed while fresh. I
do have dried celery that I was going to use to make tea. Never got around
to it.

Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:13:56 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
>> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I chop
>> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I do
>> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop with
>> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
>
> That's ridiculous. No doubt you got that from one of your kook
> sires or your kook doctors.
>
> -sw
>

Its the latest and greatest €œthing€� now. Here you go:


https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Mediu.../dp/140195765X

"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
> Sqwertz > wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:13:56 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
>>> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I
>>> chop
>>> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I
>>> do
>>> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop
>>> with
>>> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
>>
>> That's ridiculous. No doubt you got that from one of your kook
>> sires or your kook doctors.
>>
>> -sw
>>
>
> Its the latest and greatest €œthing€� now. Here you go:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Mediu.../dp/140195765X

Yep. Got it from that book too. Lots of good info. but also some quackery,
IMO. However I know how I feel when drinking the juice and my liver panel is
now in range. Hasn't been for years so I'm going to keep on doing it.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Sqwertz > wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:13:56 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
>>>> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a
>>>> juicer. I chop
>>>> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over
>>>> ice. I do
>>>> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through
>>>> a scoop with
>>>> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
>>>
>>> That's ridiculous.Â* No doubt you got thatÂ* from one of your kook
>>> sires or your kook doctors.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>>
>> It€„¢s the latest and greatest €œthing€Â� now. Here you go:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Mediu.../dp/140195765X
>>
>
> Yep. Got it from that book too. Lots of good info. but also some
> quackery, IMO. However I know how I feel when drinking the juice and
> my liver panel is now in range. Hasn't been for years so I'm going
> to keep on doing it.

Just to be sure it's working, shouldn't you send off a hair sample
weekly for lab analysis?

I take some monoclonal antibody drugs, so must be careful too.
Doctor requires blood tests for liver function every 3 months. I
also have to take folic acid because of methotrexate. They never
told me about celery though. And they never analyzed my hair. Do you
think I should demand a hair analysis?

I used to live very near where you are, so I'm wondering if there is
something in the water there, possibly flowing down from the Hanford
reactor site, where the first plutonium was generated.

On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 05:02:27 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx
> wrote:

>Sqwertz > wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:13:56 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
>>> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I chop
>>> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I do
>>> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop with
>>> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
>>
>> That's ridiculous. No doubt you got that from one of your kook
>> sires or your kook doctors.
>>
>> -sw
>
>It’s the latest and greatest “thing” now. Here you go:
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Mediu.../dp/140195765X

Juicing celery is stupid when you can simply eat raw celery by the
stalk. Tastes extra good soaked in bloody marys, or stuffed with
blue cheese.

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 05:02:27 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx
> > wrote:
>
>>Sqwertz > wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:13:56 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
>>>> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I
>>>> chop
>>>> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I
>>>> do
>>>> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop
>>>> with
>>>> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
>>>
>>> That's ridiculous. No doubt you got that from one of your kook
>>> sires or your kook doctors.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>>It's the latest and greatest "thing" now. Here you go:
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Mediu.../dp/140195765X
>
> Juicing celery is stupid when you can simply eat raw celery by the
> stalk. Tastes extra good soaked in bloody marys, or stuffed with
> blue cheese.

You can't eat much of it if you have to watch your fiber intake.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:13:56 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
>> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I
>> chop
>> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I
>> do
>> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop
>> with
>> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
>
> That's ridiculous. No doubt you got that from one of your kook
> sires or your kook doctors.

Nope.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20355787

There is a test for it you know. Very common in diabetics.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 1:32:12 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:13:56 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
> >> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I
> >> chop
> >> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice. I
> >> do
> >> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a scoop
> >> with
> >> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
> >
> > That's ridiculous. No doubt you got that from one of your kook
> > sires or your kook doctors.
>
> Nope.
>
> https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20355787
>
> There is a test for it you know. Very common in diabetics.

I got tested for it. They gave me a radioactive egg sandwich to eat. Then they filmed my innards digesting the food. Yes I've got gastroparesis. Bad scene. Eating fibre is not a good thing, however I do eat it, just not too much.

"A Moose in Love" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 1:32:12 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:13:56 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> >> I love celery and I do eat it and use it in cooking
>> >> but juicing allows me to consume more of it. I don't have a juicer. I
>> >> chop
>> >> three ribs, put it in a cup of water, then strain and drink over ice.
>> >> I
>> >> do
>> >> not use cheesecloth as recommended to strain. I pour it through a
>> >> scoop
>> >> with
>> >> holes in it so I am getting some of the pulp.
>> >
>> > That's ridiculous. No doubt you got that from one of your kook
>> > sires or your kook doctors.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20355787
>>
>> There is a test for it you know. Very common in diabetics.
>
> I got tested for it. They gave me a radioactive egg sandwich to eat.
> Then they filmed my innards digesting the food. Yes I've got
> gastroparesis. Bad scene. Eating fibre is not a good thing, however I do
> eat it, just not too much.

Yep. Mine was done via endoscopy because I can't have egg.

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 2:23:51 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> I am having trouble finding good, fresh produce for a good price.
.....

Yeah, this Climate Change thing is a real bitch, eh?

John kuthe, Climate Anarchist and What Ya Gonna Do About It?

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 12:59:06 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 2:23:51 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> > I am having trouble finding good, fresh produce for a good price.
> ....
>
> Yeah, this Climate Change thing is a real bitch, eh?

Apparently, the climate is changing only in Bothell, WA. Nobody
else is having any trouble finding produce.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 1:04:45 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 12:59:06 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 2:23:51 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > I am having trouble finding good, fresh produce for a good price.
> > ....
> >
> > Yeah, this Climate Change thing is a real bitch, eh?
>
> Apparently, the climate is changing only in Bothell, WA. Nobody
> else is having any trouble finding produce.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

We've got lots of produce here. Although some stores are pricey. Sobey's our nearest store has brussel sprouts on for $4.99 CDN lb. Cauliflower for $5.99 per head. Yet when I walk up about 5 minutes past there, I can get cauliflower for 2 heads for $5.00. Top sirloin at Sobey's is on special for $4.99 lb. Same price as brussel sprouts.

"A Moose in Love" > wrote in message
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On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 1:04:45 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 12:59:06 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 2:23:51 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > I am having trouble finding good, fresh produce for a good price.
> > ....
> >
> > Yeah, this Climate Change thing is a real bitch, eh?
>
> Apparently, the climate is changing only in Bothell, WA. Nobody
> else is having any trouble finding produce.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

We've got lots of produce here. Although some stores are pricey. Sobey's
our nearest store has brussel sprouts on for $4.99 CDN lb. Cauliflower for
$5.99 per head. Yet when I walk up about 5 minutes past there, I can get
cauliflower for 2 heads for $5.00. Top sirloin at Sobey's is on special for
$4.99 lb. Same price as brussel sprouts.

Same here. I can almost always get good organic carrots at the Walmart food
center and the price is far less than other places, but their green onions
are no bargain!

A Moose in Love wrote:
> Top sirloin at Sobey's is on special for $4.99 lb. Same price as brussel sprouts.

Hmmmm... decisions, decisions.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 8:19:40 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> A Moose in Love wrote:
> > Top sirloin at Sobey's is on special for $4.99 lb. Same price as brussel sprouts.
>
> Hmmmm... decisions, decisions.

I'll take the Brussels sprouts. Not a big fan of top sirloin.

Cindy Hamilton

On 12 Jul 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>On July 12, 2019 John Kuthe wrote:
>> On July 12, 2019 Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>> > I am having trouble finding good, fresh produce for a good price.
>>
>> Yeah, this Climate Change thing is a real bitch, eh?
>
>Apparently, the climate is changing only in Bothell, WA. Nobody
>else is having any trouble finding produce.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I'm certain that the climate is changing but so impeceptively and
slowly that no one has noticed any changes in over a thousand years.
What changes on a daily basis is weather... for as long as I'm here
each year's seasons have been eswsentially a duplicate of previous
year's. There's nothing humans can do on this planet to affect its
climate... only what occurs on our sun can affect climate. Anyone
talking climate change has to have gone comatose in the 4th grade...
that's about when the rudiments of our solar system is learned...
wasn't all that long ago when humans learned that this planet wasn't
flat and the planets were in solar orbit. Climate change is a
misnomer... anyone with a functioning brain says solar and atmospheric
change. Climate is a product of the polluting populations

writes:
>On 12 Jul 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>On July 12, 2019 John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On July 12, 2019 Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>> > I am having trouble finding good, fresh produce for a good price.
>>>
>>> Yeah, this Climate Change thing is a real bitch, eh?
>>
>>Apparently, the climate is changing only in Bothell, WA. Nobody
>>else is having any trouble finding produce.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I'm certain that the climate is changing but so impeceptively and
>slowly that no one has noticed any changes in over a thousand years.
>What changes on a daily basis is weather... for as long as I'm here
>each year's seasons have been eswsentially a duplicate of previous
>year's. There's nothing humans can do on this planet to affect its
>climate... only what occurs on our sun can affect climate. Anyone
>talking climate change has to have gone comatose in the 4th grade...
>that's about when the rudiments of our solar system is learned...
>wasn't all that long ago when humans learned that this planet wasn't
>flat and the planets were in solar orbit. Climate change is a
>misnomer... anyone with a functioning brain says solar and atmospheric
>change. Climate is a product of the polluting populations

this isn't for Sheldon - nothing can penetrate the CP induced fog -
but there's a striking graph at the top of this article that shows the
history of global surface temperature since 1880

<https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature>

the Highlights sidebar is a nice summary of how extreme things have become

I'm not sure how a person can argue with "the 10 warmest years on record
have all occurred since 1998" - it's just data, and it needs to be taken
seriously, not confused with this sunspots crap or whatever

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 3:20:06 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> writes:
> >On 12 Jul 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>On July 12, 2019 John Kuthe wrote:
> >>> On July 12, 2019 Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>
> >>> > I am having trouble finding good, fresh produce for a good price.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, this Climate Change thing is a real bitch, eh?
> >>
> >>Apparently, the climate is changing only in Bothell, WA. Nobody
> >>else is having any trouble finding produce.
> >>
> >>Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >I'm certain that the climate is changing but so impeceptively and
> >slowly that no one has noticed any changes in over a thousand years.
> >What changes on a daily basis is weather... for as long as I'm here
> >each year's seasons have been eswsentially a duplicate of previous
> >year's. There's nothing humans can do on this planet to affect its
> >climate... only what occurs on our sun can affect climate. Anyone
> >talking climate change has to have gone comatose in the 4th grade...
> >that's about when the rudiments of our solar system is learned...
> >wasn't all that long ago when humans learned that this planet wasn't
> >flat and the planets were in solar orbit. Climate change is a
> >misnomer... anyone with a functioning brain says solar and atmospheric
> >change. Climate is a product of the polluting populations
>
> this isn't for Sheldon - nothing can penetrate the CP induced fog -
> but there's a striking graph at the top of this article that shows the
> history of global surface temperature since 1880
>
> <https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature>
>
> the Highlights sidebar is a nice summary of how extreme things have become
>
> I'm not sure how a person can argue with "the 10 warmest years on record
> have all occurred since 1998" - it's just data, and it needs to be taken
> seriously, not confused with this sunspots crap or whatever

I like this graph:

<https://www.xkcd.com/1732/>

He doesn't say where he got his data, but the abrupt change in the slope of
the graph is impressive.

One thing Sheldon just doesn't understand is that the climate/weather is
not entirely determined by the sun. Ocean currents have so much effect
on it.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >, tert in seattle
> wrote:

> I'm not sure how a person can argue with "the 10 warmest years on record
> have all occurred since 1998" - it's just data, and it needs to be taken
> seriously, not confused with this sunspots crap or whatever

Oh, that's easy! I lost my job in the late seventies to global cooling.
That made me a sceptic. The grand data points on whatever graph you're
selling have been collected by "climatologists" since then, when they
learned that being a compliant "climatologist" means big bucks from
taxpayer funding [government grants] if they can sell a program that
benefits the various governments. Keep the populace afraid, and control
them with blather and points on a questionable graph.
Climate change is ongoing since our planet first formed.

leo

> wrote in message
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> On 12 Jul 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>On July 12, 2019 John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On July 12, 2019 Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>> > I am having trouble finding good, fresh produce for a good price.
>>>
>>> Yeah, this Climate Change thing is a real bitch, eh?
>>
>>Apparently, the climate is changing only in Bothell, WA. Nobody
>>else is having any trouble finding produce.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
> I'm certain that the climate is changing but so impeceptively and
> slowly that no one has noticed any changes in over a thousand years.
> What changes on a daily basis is weather... for as long as I'm here
> each year's seasons have been eswsentially a duplicate of previous
> year's. There's nothing humans can do on this planet to affect its
> climate... only what occurs on our sun can affect climate. Anyone
> talking climate change has to have gone comatose in the 4th grade...
> that's about when the rudiments of our solar system is learned...
> wasn't all that long ago when humans learned that this planet wasn't
> flat and the planets were in solar orbit. Climate change is a
> misnomer... anyone with a functioning brain says solar and atmospheric
> change. Climate is a product of the polluting populations

It stands to reason that it is changing and always is. I mean... Ice age and
all.

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 12:19:10 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> It stands to reason that it is changing and always is. I mean... Ice age and
> all.

The Earth's climate has always been changing but humans aren't supposed to notice the change during their lifetime. The change in the weather in the last 20 years has been noticeable. The last 10 years have been positively alarming. If it keeps up, it's going to change everything, from our government, where people choose to live, and the foods we eat. My guess is that our republic will not survive a global temperature increase of 3 degrees.

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 8:56:26 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>
> I'm certain that the climate is changing but so impeceptively and
> slowly that no one has noticed any changes in over a thousand years.
> What changes on a daily basis is weather... for as long as I'm here
> each year's seasons have been eswsentially a duplicate of previous
> year's. There's nothing humans can do on this planet to affect its
> climate... only what occurs on our sun can affect climate. Anyone
> talking climate change has to have gone comatose in the 4th grade...
> that's about when the rudiments of our solar system is learned...
> wasn't all that long ago when humans learned that this planet wasn't
> flat and the planets were in solar orbit. Climate change is a
> misnomer... anyone with a functioning brain says solar and atmospheric
> change. Climate is a product of the polluting populations

"There's nothing humans can do on this planet to affect its climate..."

"Climate is a product of the polluting populations"

That's goofy as hell.