On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 04:03:16 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:


snip
>
>Our snow here is different. East Coast snow is dryer. West Coast snow is
>heavy and wet. Forms a thick layer of ice almost instantly. And they use
>salt/sand or chemicals on the East Coast.

Not true, every place gets all different kinds of snow

On 2019-02-12 11:07 a.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 04:03:16 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
> snip
>>
>> Our snow here is different. East Coast snow is dryer. West Coast snow is
>> heavy and wet. Forms a thick layer of ice almost instantly. And they use
>> salt/sand or chemicals on the East Coast.
>
> Not true, every place gets all different kinds of snow

It has nothing to do with east or west. It is the weather conditions are
the time. Snow that falls when it is close to the freezing point tends
to be wetter and heavier. Snow that falls when it is dry and cold tends
to be light and fluffy, but that same snow can be dense and heavy if it
falls during high winds that break up the crystals. That was what
happened here in the Blizzard of 77. There was not that much snow but it
was extremely cold and Lake Erie was frozen over. Snow was blown all the
way across the lake and the flat areas of south western Ontario. Then it
piled up into huge, solid drifts here.

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 10:07:37 AM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 04:03:16 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
> snip
> >
> >Our snow here is different. East Coast snow is dryer. West Coast snow is
> >heavy and wet. Forms a thick layer of ice almost instantly. And they use
> >salt/sand or chemicals on the East Coast.
>
> Not true, every place gets all different kinds of snow

Very true! I've heard it said that there are like 50 words for snow in North Polar Humans' languages. And there are in English, just not as many.

John Kuthe...

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 10:07:37 AM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 04:03:16 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
> snip
> >
> >Our snow here is different. East Coast snow is dryer. West Coast snow is
> >heavy and wet. Forms a thick layer of ice almost instantly. And they use
> >salt/sand or chemicals on the East Coast.
>
> Not true, every place gets all different kinds of snow
>
But, but, but I thought it was common knowledge and accepted by all that Ju-Ju
speaks for the whole west coast! Are you telling us she is n.o.t the authority
she claims to be??? Oh the horror, heartbreak, and disappointment. I am
sorely bereaved to learn this.

Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/11/2019 1:34 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
>>> People panicked here in the Seattle area last Thursday, as evidenced
>>> by my local Fred Meyer being completely out of shopping carts when I
>>> arrived around 6pm to pick up a few things. I had done my major shopping
>>> the day before and as always I managed to forget something. I soon found
>>> where all the shopping carts had gone - they were manned by restive
>>> customers standing in lines 20 deep, going halfway up the aisles. I
>>> must say things were pretty calm despite the gridlock and lack of
>>> essentials like bread and bananas. Fortunately I had "about 12 items"
>>> and the express lane lines were more reasonable.
>>
>> When I lived in Philadelphia, that was common. In New England, no big
>> deal. People were batter at driving in snow and the highway crews are
>> better equipped to deal with it. In all my years in CT, if I could get
>> out my driveway I could get to the store.
>
> Our snow here is different. East Coast snow is dryer. West Coast snow is
> heavy and wet. Forms a thick layer of ice almost instantly. And they use
> salt/sand or chemicals on the East Coast.
>
>

That explains why we were in the Midwest, half way in between east and
west, get both. Or not.

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 11:03:54 AM UTC-6, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> Julie Bove > wrote:
> >
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 2/11/2019 1:34 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
> >>> People panicked here in the Seattle area last Thursday, as evidenced
> >>> by my local Fred Meyer being completely out of shopping carts when I
> >>> arrived around 6pm to pick up a few things. I had done my major shopping
> >>> the day before and as always I managed to forget something. I soon found
> >>> where all the shopping carts had gone - they were manned by restive
> >>> customers standing in lines 20 deep, going halfway up the aisles. I
> >>> must say things were pretty calm despite the gridlock and lack of
> >>> essentials like bread and bananas. Fortunately I had "about 12 items"
> >>> and the express lane lines were more reasonable.
> >>
> >> When I lived in Philadelphia, that was common. In New England, no big
> >> deal. People were batter at driving in snow and the highway crews are
> >> better equipped to deal with it. In all my years in CT, if I could get
> >> out my driveway I could get to the store.
> >
> > Our snow here is different. East Coast snow is dryer. West Coast snow is
> > heavy and wet. Forms a thick layer of ice almost instantly. And they use
> > salt/sand or chemicals on the East Coast.
> >
> >
>
> That explains why we were in the Midwest, half way in between east and
> west, get both. Or not.

ROFL! Yeah, we get the worst of BOTH COASTS! ;-)

John Kuthe, STL MO...

writes:
>
>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...

>> When I lived in Philadelphia, that was common. In New England, no big
>> deal. People were batter at driving in snow and the highway crews are
>> better equipped to deal with it. In all my years in CT, if I could get
>> out my driveway I could get to the store.
>
>Our snow here is different. East Coast snow is dryer. West Coast snow is
>heavy and wet. Forms a thick layer of ice almost instantly. And they use
>salt/sand or chemicals on the East Coast.

Yesterday I saw huge flakes, lake effect type snow, in the afternoon.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SL3gi2SUcaGrgvw37

Toward evening it grew wetter and the flakes got smaller until it became
rain. The type of snow depends on the temperature of the air and how it
mixes up. Looking forward to good old rain. My jury duty was cancelled
and I don't need to go back - I am considered having served. Whew!

They got four feet in Snoqualmie Pass in 36 hours - if you could get
there the skiing would be a dream! But I-90 is closed at least until
tomorrow. My boss is stuck on the other side. :-/

On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 8:40:05 AM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> People panicked here in the Seattle area last Thursday, as evidenced
> by my local Fred Meyer being completely out of shopping carts when I
> arrived around 6pm to pick up a few things. I had done my major shopping
> the day before and as always I managed to forget something. I soon found
> where all the shopping carts had gone - they were manned by restive
> customers standing in lines 20 deep, going halfway up the aisles. I
> must say things were pretty calm despite the gridlock and lack of
> essentials like bread and bananas. Fortunately I had "about 12 items"
> and the express lane lines were more reasonable.
>
> Friday I left work around 12:30 and headed toward the kids' school.
> I thought I might grab a bite for lunch before their early dismissal
> at 2:15 due to impending snow. Sure enough the flakes started coming
> down hard around 12:45 so I went straight to the school and after
> about 30 minutes had rounded up both my kids and we were on our way.
> Our trip home usually takes about 25 minutes but on Friday everyone
> decided to hit the roads at the same time so it took us two hours,
> mostly due to gridlock in the Central District. Fortunately I had
> pizza and clif bars for us to munch on during the journey. My main
> concern was my bladder but it still had some room left by the time we
> got home.
>
> Friday's dinner was bratwurst with sauerkraut and fried potatoes and
> a tossed salad. Saturday's breakfast was pancakes and bacon. Then we
> went out to play in the snow. We came back in for some pasta with red
> sauce, and discussed what our afternoon adventure would be. Well we knew
> we wanted to go sledding, it was just a matter of where. I tried my
> chains and decided after driving a couple blocks that maybe it's better
> to walk to the nearest hill rather than drive, park in the snow and not
> be certain if my car could get moving again. I'll save driving for when
> it's necessary.
>
> After sledding we came home to warm up and have some sandwiches.
> The boys' mom came to pick them up and I was on my own. I had the
> leftover brats and sauerkraut for dinner and some chips. Ice cream
> for dessert.
>
> Sunday morning I tried Bob's Red Mill "Organic Whole Grain High Fiber
> Hot Cereal" for the first time. I bought it because I've been wanting
> to try something organic and they didn't have organic steel cut oats,
> and I thought this might be the next best thing. Well, the texture is
> about a 1.5 on a scale to 10. There's nothing to really chew on, and
> it's got this glutionus almost rubbery consistency. The added butter and
> almond milk helped a little but I think all hope is lost here as far as
> an enjoyable eating experience. My homemade breakfast sausage offset
> the unpleasantness enough that I could choke down all that fiber. There's
> a recipe for muffins on the bag which I may attempt, although I will
> be prepared for a rubbery result.
>
> I wanted to make my lentil soup but didn't have any ginger so I decided
> to take a different approach. One of my kids loves that recipe but the
> other one says "there's some weird taste in there" which I suspect if
> not the lentils themselves might be the cumin. So I came up with something
> that tastes good with no cumin: tomato sauce and oregano! Here's the
> procedu dice one carrot and one celery stalk, fry in oil of your
> choice (I choose olive) and then add some minced garlic. Once they're
> all tender add 4c veg stock and 1c lentils. Let that cook for a while
> and add 1c tomato sauce, and oregano. Easy, and very tasty.
>
> After fortifying myself with a large portion of this lentil soup I
> headed out for a walk. The residential streets don't get plowed here
> but the arterials were wet or slushy. I didn't see a lot of cars driving
> around.
>
> Dinner was a massive BLT with dill pickles. I took my other BOGO pork
> shoulder out of the freezer on Friday in anticipation of being stuck for
> several more days, but temps are rising and this may all be over by
> tomorrow if the rains come and wash all the snow away. But the rain could
> freeze, too - so it'll be roast pork for dinner, with carrots and
> potatoes.
>
> I'm scheduled to report for jury duty tomorrow, so regardless of what
> Mother Nature decides, the disruptions to normal routine will continue
> for me.

The last time we were in the Seattle area during Thanksgiving, I was told that the locals were just freaking out at the snow that got dumped in the area. They weren't used to it. I thought that was peculiar.

My sister-in-law was going to great lengths in explaining how to get up the frozen hill to the church where we were having Thanksgiving dinner. It involved driving on the side or backing up the hill as well as ideas on what to do in case we got stuck. I was apprehensive when we finally faced "the Hill" but my son just drove up it with no problem. We were in a full sized AWD SUV. Going down was a little dicey though. Hee hee.

It's always a good time for us when we're in the area.

"tert in seattle" wrote in message ...

People panicked here in the Seattle area last Thursday, as evidenced
by my local Fred Meyer being completely out of shopping carts when I
arrived around 6pm to pick up a few things. I had done my major shopping
the day before and as always I managed to forget something. I soon found
where all the shopping carts had gone - they were manned by restive
customers standing in lines 20 deep, going halfway up the aisles. I
must say things were pretty calm despite the gridlock and lack of
essentials like bread and bananas. Fortunately I had "about 12 items"
and the express lane lines were more reasonable.

Friday I left work around 12:30 and headed toward the kids' school.
I thought I might grab a bite for lunch before their early dismissal
at 2:15 due to impending snow. Sure enough the flakes started coming
down hard around 12:45 so I went straight to the school and after
about 30 minutes had rounded up both my kids and we were on our way.
Our trip home usually takes about 25 minutes but on Friday everyone
decided to hit the roads at the same time so it took us two hours,
mostly due to gridlock in the Central District. Fortunately I had
pizza and clif bars for us to munch on during the journey. My main
concern was my bladder but it still had some room left by the time we
got home.

Friday's dinner was bratwurst with sauerkraut and fried potatoes and
a tossed salad. Saturday's breakfast was pancakes and bacon. Then we
went out to play in the snow. We came back in for some pasta with red
sauce, and discussed what our afternoon adventure would be. Well we knew
we wanted to go sledding, it was just a matter of where. I tried my
chains and decided after driving a couple blocks that maybe it's better
to walk to the nearest hill rather than drive, park in the snow and not
be certain if my car could get moving again. I'll save driving for when
it's necessary.

After sledding we came home to warm up and have some sandwiches.
The boys' mom came to pick them up and I was on my own. I had the
leftover brats and sauerkraut for dinner and some chips. Ice cream
for dessert.

Sunday morning I tried Bob's Red Mill "Organic Whole Grain High Fiber
Hot Cereal" for the first time. I bought it because I've been wanting
to try something organic and they didn't have organic steel cut oats,
and I thought this might be the next best thing. Well, the texture is
about a 1.5 on a scale to 10. There's nothing to really chew on, and
it's got this glutionus almost rubbery consistency. The added butter and
almond milk helped a little but I think all hope is lost here as far as
an enjoyable eating experience. My homemade breakfast sausage offset
the unpleasantness enough that I could choke down all that fiber. There's
a recipe for muffins on the bag which I may attempt, although I will
be prepared for a rubbery result.

I wanted to make my lentil soup but didn't have any ginger so I decided
to take a different approach. One of my kids loves that recipe but the
other one says "there's some weird taste in there" which I suspect if
not the lentils themselves might be the cumin. So I came up with something
that tastes good with no cumin: tomato sauce and oregano! Here's the
procedu dice one carrot and one celery stalk, fry in oil of your
choice (I choose olive) and then add some minced garlic. Once they're
all tender add 4c veg stock and 1c lentils. Let that cook for a while
and add 1c tomato sauce, and oregano. Easy, and very tasty.

After fortifying myself with a large portion of this lentil soup I
headed out for a walk. The residential streets don't get plowed here
but the arterials were wet or slushy. I didn't see a lot of cars driving
around.

Dinner was a massive BLT with dill pickles. I took my other BOGO pork
shoulder out of the freezer on Friday in anticipation of being stuck for
several more days, but temps are rising and this may all be over by
tomorrow if the rains come and wash all the snow away. But the rain could
freeze, too - so it'll be roast pork for dinner, with carrots and
potatoes.

I'm scheduled to report for jury duty tomorrow, so regardless of what
Mother Nature decides, the disruptions to normal routine will continue
for me.

==

Seems you are well organized) Keep warm)

tert in seattle wrote:
....
> I'm scheduled to report for jury duty tomorrow, so regardless of what
> Mother Nature decides, the disruptions to normal routine will continue
> for me.

i got that last winter... not much fun, but
i got through it.

as for the snow, i don't mind it here. the ice
has been more of a challenge this year.

the high winds this past weekend took down the
t.v. and internet antenna from the roof so i had
to get up there today and unhook everything and
rehook up what i could leave up there (the internet
connection ). the tv thing seems to work ok even
if it is sitting on the ground... for now until the
ice clears up and i can redo what needs to be redone
that will have to do. ice everywhere. i fell a few
days ago walking on the end of the drive where some
ice has formed, meant to be very careful but somehow
just a slight step got away from me and down i went.
nothing broken. *whew*

rain and snow on the way this week. it's mid-
winter. i would rather it was all snow.


songbird

writes:
>tert in seattle wrote:
>...
>> I'm scheduled to report for jury duty tomorrow, so regardless of what
>> Mother Nature decides, the disruptions to normal routine will continue
>> for me.
>
> i got that last winter... not much fun, but
>i got through it.
>
> as for the snow, i don't mind it here. the ice
>has been more of a challenge this year.
>
> the high winds this past weekend took down the
>t.v. and internet antenna from the roof so i had
>to get up there today and unhook everything and
>rehook up what i could leave up there (the internet
>connection ). the tv thing seems to work ok even
>if it is sitting on the ground... for now until the
>ice clears up and i can redo what needs to be redone
>that will have to do. ice everywhere. i fell a few
>days ago walking on the end of the drive where some
>ice has formed, meant to be very careful but somehow
>just a slight step got away from me and down i went.
>nothing broken. *whew*
>
> rain and snow on the way this week. it's mid-
>winter. i would rather it was all snow.
>
>
> songbird


walk like a penguin to avoid slipping on ice!

well as long as you have internet you're all set

tert in seattle wrote:
....
> walk like a penguin to avoid slipping on ice!

i would have been better off sitting on it and
sliding. one fall. no major injury but still
not good.


> well as long as you have internet you're all set

that's pretty much how i think of it. t.v. i
can ignore these days. once in a while i pick up
a dvd from the library. Mom watches the t.v. a
lot more.


songbird

"tert in seattle" > wrote in message
...
> People panicked here in the Seattle area last Thursday, as evidenced
> by my local Fred Meyer being completely out of shopping carts when I
> arrived around 6pm to pick up a few things. I had done my major shopping
> the day before and as always I managed to forget something. I soon found
> where all the shopping carts had gone - they were manned by restive
> customers standing in lines 20 deep, going halfway up the aisles. I
> must say things were pretty calm despite the gridlock and lack of
> essentials like bread and bananas. Fortunately I had "about 12 items"
> and the express lane lines were more reasonable.
>
> Friday I left work around 12:30 and headed toward the kids' school.
> I thought I might grab a bite for lunch before their early dismissal
> at 2:15 due to impending snow. Sure enough the flakes started coming
> down hard around 12:45 so I went straight to the school and after
> about 30 minutes had rounded up both my kids and we were on our way.
> Our trip home usually takes about 25 minutes but on Friday everyone
> decided to hit the roads at the same time so it took us two hours,
> mostly due to gridlock in the Central District. Fortunately I had
> pizza and clif bars for us to munch on during the journey. My main
> concern was my bladder but it still had some room left by the time we
> got home.
>
> Friday's dinner was bratwurst with sauerkraut and fried potatoes and
> a tossed salad. Saturday's breakfast was pancakes and bacon. Then we
> went out to play in the snow. We came back in for some pasta with red
> sauce, and discussed what our afternoon adventure would be. Well we knew
> we wanted to go sledding, it was just a matter of where. I tried my
> chains and decided after driving a couple blocks that maybe it's better
> to walk to the nearest hill rather than drive, park in the snow and not
> be certain if my car could get moving again. I'll save driving for when
> it's necessary.
>
> After sledding we came home to warm up and have some sandwiches.
> The boys' mom came to pick them up and I was on my own. I had the
> leftover brats and sauerkraut for dinner and some chips. Ice cream
> for dessert.
>
> Sunday morning I tried Bob's Red Mill "Organic Whole Grain High Fiber
> Hot Cereal" for the first time. I bought it because I've been wanting
> to try something organic and they didn't have organic steel cut oats,
> and I thought this might be the next best thing. Well, the texture is
> about a 1.5 on a scale to 10. There's nothing to really chew on, and
> it's got this glutionus almost rubbery consistency. The added butter and
> almond milk helped a little but I think all hope is lost here as far as
> an enjoyable eating experience. My homemade breakfast sausage offset
> the unpleasantness enough that I could choke down all that fiber. There's
> a recipe for muffins on the bag which I may attempt, although I will
> be prepared for a rubbery result.
>
> I wanted to make my lentil soup but didn't have any ginger so I decided
> to take a different approach. One of my kids loves that recipe but the
> other one says "there's some weird taste in there" which I suspect if
> not the lentils themselves might be the cumin. So I came up with something
> that tastes good with no cumin: tomato sauce and oregano! Here's the
> procedu dice one carrot and one celery stalk, fry in oil of your
> choice (I choose olive) and then add some minced garlic. Once they're
> all tender add 4c veg stock and 1c lentils. Let that cook for a while
> and add 1c tomato sauce, and oregano. Easy, and very tasty.
>
> After fortifying myself with a large portion of this lentil soup I
> headed out for a walk. The residential streets don't get plowed here
> but the arterials were wet or slushy. I didn't see a lot of cars driving
> around.
>
> Dinner was a massive BLT with dill pickles. I took my other BOGO pork
> shoulder out of the freezer on Friday in anticipation of being stuck for
> several more days, but temps are rising and this may all be over by
> tomorrow if the rains come and wash all the snow away. But the rain could
> freeze, too - so it'll be roast pork for dinner, with carrots and
> potatoes.
>
> I'm scheduled to report for jury duty tomorrow, so regardless of what
> Mother Nature decides, the disruptions to normal routine will continue
> for me.

Still bad out here in the burbs. All of my Drs. offices are closed until
perhaps Wed. Most of the people I know were told to stay home from work.
None of the side streets get plowed. The main roads do, but there is so much
ice on them and the plows can't remove the ice.

KIRO radio said the stores are scrambling to get stuff restocked. I've been
pretty much stuck here. I did go out for prescriptions at Bartells and
picked up a few things that they sell like shelf stable cheese, crackers and
boxed soup. Also placed a small Amazon Fresh order. They couldn't guarantee
that they would deliver it but it did come. Now other orders that I placed
over a week ago seem to have gotten lost.

writes:
>
>"tert in seattle" > wrote in message
...

>> I'm scheduled to report for jury duty tomorrow, so regardless of what
>> Mother Nature decides, the disruptions to normal routine will continue
>> for me.
>
>Still bad out here in the burbs. All of my Drs. offices are closed until
>perhaps Wed. Most of the people I know were told to stay home from work.
>None of the side streets get plowed. The main roads do, but there is so much
>ice on them and the plows can't remove the ice.
>
>KIRO radio said the stores are scrambling to get stuff restocked. I've been
>pretty much stuck here. I did go out for prescriptions at Bartells and
>picked up a few things that they sell like shelf stable cheese, crackers and
>boxed soup. Also placed a small Amazon Fresh order. They couldn't guarantee
>that they would deliver it but it did come. Now other orders that I placed
>over a week ago seem to have gotten lost.

I got out of jury duty which was a good thing because I wasn't going to
drive anywhere this morning, and the transit being on emergency snow
routes meant it would take a ridiculous amount of time to get to the
courthouse. AND I've fulfilled my obligation, considered to have served.
Nice!

A couple hours ago I launched out of my parking spot on the street with
some assistance from chains - not sure it would have worked without them.
But soon enough I was on wet pavement so I took them off. Fred Meyer was
back to normal, everything was in stock *except* my favorite bread from
Grand Central Bakery, which didn't surprise me. On the way home I said
****it and didn't bother putting the chains back on. I used momentum to
cruise down my slushy/snowy/icy street and get back into my parking space.
My 20 years' experience driving in snow came in handy, as did a bit of
good luck.

My neighbor who has Montana plates managed to turn around and get out
of her parking space and head in the opposite direction from how she had
parked, with no chains and just FWD (no snow tires either). I was getting
ready to head out and help but she managed all on her own. That was
impressive.

you've heard of an igloo

what about a Vagloo?

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