Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 1/21/2019 11:05 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >"cshenk" > wrote in message speaking of grab bars
> >
> > > I have one at the back of my shower/tub and an over the tub rim
> > > handrail from Amazon.* I have though of adding one to the back of
> > > the tub and one by the showerhead.
> >
> >
> > I have a handrail on the tub rim too, I love it.
> >
> > Cheri
> Yes, we had one before we remodeled in the old house and eliminated
> the tub. This time we had the second bath made with just a shower
> too. Last time a tub was used in our house was shen my youngest
> granddaughter stayed with us. She was 4 at the time, now 22. I see
> no reason to climb over a tub if it is never going to be used.

Smile, I would die without a bubble bath.

On 1/24/2019 8:46 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 1/21/2019 11:05 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message speaking of grab bars
>>>
>>>> I have one at the back of my shower/tub and an over the tub rim
>>>> handrail from Amazon.Â* I have though of adding one to the back of
>>>> the tub and one by the showerhead.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a handrail on the tub rim too, I love it.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>> Yes, we had one before we remodeled in the old house and eliminated
>> the tub. This time we had the second bath made with just a shower
>> too. Last time a tub was used in our house was shen my youngest
>> granddaughter stayed with us. She was 4 at the time, now 22. I see
>> no reason to climb over a tub if it is never going to be used.
>
> Smile, I would die without a bubble bath.
>

When we listed out house for sale I was wondering if no tub would be a
problem. Only one person mentioned it. The original was just a
standard 5 foot fiberglass tub. In your case, it should be a big deep
tub to get comfy in.

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:09:17 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> When we listed out house for sale I was wondering if no tub would be a
> problem. Only one person mentioned it. The original was just a
> standard 5 foot fiberglass tub. In your case, it should be a big deep
> tub to get comfy in.
>
I think about the only ones really, really wanting a tub are parents with small
children so they can supervise bath time. But I do enjoy an occasional soak
myself, thus I have tubs. When I remodeled the original bathroom here I opted
for a walk-in tub.

On 2019-01-24 11:27 p.m., wrote:
> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:09:17 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> When we listed out house for sale I was wondering if no tub would be a
>> problem. Only one person mentioned it. The original was just a
>> standard 5 foot fiberglass tub. In your case, it should be a big deep
>> tub to get comfy in.
>>
> I think about the only ones really, really wanting a tub are parents with small
> children so they can supervise bath time. But I do enjoy an occasional soak
> myself, thus I have tubs. When I remodeled the original bathroom here I opted
> for a walk-in tub.
>

About once I week I like to soak in a nice hot bath. I suppose I could
live with a walk in shower and no bath. I would not be happy with the
sort of shower stall arrangements that I have seen in hotels and private
homes in Denmark. They were were usually in the corner of the bathroom
and the floor was sloped over to it and there is a floor length shower
curtain. Some of them had a hint of a lip around the shower stall.

After more than 24 hours of travel to get to my hotel there I went to my
room to freshen up before meting my friends for lunch. Since I as having
a quick shower I left my clothes on the bathroom floor. Big mistake.
They were soaked.

On 1/24/2019 11:27 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:09:17 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> When we listed out house for sale I was wondering if no tub would be a
>> problem. Only one person mentioned it. The original was just a
>> standard 5 foot fiberglass tub. In your case, it should be a big deep
>> tub to get comfy in.
>>
> I think about the only ones really, really wanting a tub are parents with small
> children so they can supervise bath time. But I do enjoy an occasional soak
> myself, thus I have tubs. When I remodeled the original bathroom here I opted
> for a walk-in tub.
>

If you like a bath, the walk in makes a lot of sense. Even with grab
bars, stepping over a tub can be a danger, even impossible for some.

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 10:52:01 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> If you like a bath, the walk in makes a lot of sense. Even with grab
> bars, stepping over a tub can be a danger, even impossible for some.
>
I do like a bath occasionally and the walk-in also has the water jets. The tub
I opted for has the lowest step-over on the market at 2 inches. But for anyone
wheelchair bound that could still be a problem.

On 1/24/2019 11:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-01-24 11:27 p.m., wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:09:17 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> When we listed out house for sale I was wondering if no tub would be a
>>> problem.Â* Only one person mentioned it.Â* The original was just a
>>> standard 5 foot fiberglass tub.Â* In your case, it should be a big deep
>>> tub to get comfy in.
>>>
>> I think about the only ones really, really wanting a tub are parents
>> with small
>> children so they can supervise bath time.Â* But I do enjoy an
>> occasional soak
>> myself, thus I have tubs.Â* When I remodeled the original bathroom here
>> I opted
>> for a walk-in tub.
>>
>
> About once I week I like to soak in a nice hot bath. I suppose I could
> live with a walk in shower and no bath.Â*Â* I would not be happy with the
> sort of shower stall arrangements that I have seen in hotels and private
> homes in Denmark.Â* They were were usually in the corner of the bathroom
> and the floor was sloped over to it andÂ* there is a floor length shower
> curtain. Some of them had a hint of a lip around the shower stall.
>
> After more than 24 hours of travel to get to my hotel there I went to my
> room to freshen up before meting my friends for lunch. Since I as having
> a quick shower I left my clothes on the bathroom floor. Big mistake.
> They were soaked.
>

Showers in Europe are no more than a phone booth at best.

The master bath here is a walk in, no door. There is a 1" drop at the
entry. Controls are near the entry so you can turn the water on and not
get wet. I just pull the handle out the the temperature is the same
every time.

The other is a 60" in the same footprint as a tub. You have to step
over a lip of a couple inches and the doors slide.

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 11:48:19 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-01-24 11:27 p.m., wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:09:17 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> When we listed out house for sale I was wondering if no tub would be a
> >> problem. Only one person mentioned it. The original was just a
> >> standard 5 foot fiberglass tub. In your case, it should be a big deep
> >> tub to get comfy in.
> >>
> > I think about the only ones really, really wanting a tub are parents with small
> > children so they can supervise bath time. But I do enjoy an occasional soak
> > myself, thus I have tubs. When I remodeled the original bathroom here I opted
> > for a walk-in tub.
> >
>
> About once I week I like to soak in a nice hot bath. I suppose I could
> live with a walk in shower and no bath. I would not be happy with the
> sort of shower stall arrangements that I have seen in hotels and private
> homes in Denmark. They were were usually in the corner of the bathroom
> and the floor was sloped over to it and there is a floor length shower
> curtain. Some of them had a hint of a lip around the shower stall.

I would love that. My ideal bathroom would be a one-piece extrusion
with a watertight boot that can come down over the toilet paper and
a self-serve carwash style nozzle in the ceiling. Jet spray the whole
bathroom, squeegee the water down the drain, and voila!

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 23:51:59 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>>
> If you like a bath, the walk in makes a lot of sense. Even with grab
> bars, stepping over a tub can be a danger, even impossible for some.

I had never heard of a 'walk in bathtub' before this thread - so I
googled. From what I saw on various sites/pics, one would have to sit in
there while filling it and then wait until all (or 99%) of the water
drains out before opening the door.... I don't have the patience for that
LOL. Not to mention I would freeze in winter while waiting for the thing
to fill up. (No central heating here).

Also I would be wary about water leakage through the door seals. The
water where we live is very 'hard' and we have to contend with calcium
build-up in the shower head, all our faucets and related plumbing - so we
have to clean and/or change rubber washers/seals on the faucets and
toilet cistern mechanisms, etc. more often than most. By the looks of it,
these tubs are rather pricey too.

But I suppose if one can afford it, and doesn't mind the wait, it would
suit some people.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 23:51:59 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>>
>> If you like a bath, the walk in makes a lot of sense. Even with grab
>> bars, stepping over a tub can be a danger, even impossible for some.
>
> I had never heard of a 'walk in bathtub' before this thread - so I
> googled. From what I saw on various sites/pics, one would have to sit in
> there while filling it and then wait until all (or 99%) of the water
> drains out before opening the door.... I don't have the patience for that
> LOL. Not to mention I would freeze in winter while waiting for the thing
> to fill up. (No central heating here).
>
> Also I would be wary about water leakage through the door seals. The
> water where we live is very 'hard' and we have to contend with calcium
> build-up in the shower head, all our faucets and related plumbing - so we
> have to clean and/or change rubber washers/seals on the faucets and
> toilet cistern mechanisms, etc. more often than most. By the looks of it,
> these tubs are rather pricey too.
>
> But I suppose if one can afford it, and doesn't mind the wait, it would
> suit some people.
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy


I don't think it would be feasible in drought areas either, but then I don't
really know how much water it takes.

Cheri

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 05:25:17 -0800, Cheri wrote:


>
> I don't think it would be feasible in drought areas either, but then I
> don't really know how much water it takes.
>

One of the sites I looked at said between 40 to 80 gallons, depending on
the model one chooses, so yeah, there is that too.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 05:25:17 -0800, Cheri wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I don't think it would be feasible in drought areas either, but then I
>> don't really know how much water it takes.
>>
>
> One of the sites I looked at said between 40 to 80 gallons, depending on
> the model one chooses, so yeah, there is that too.
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy


Geez, even if not a drought, most places have water metering.

Cheri

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 ChattyCathy wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> If you like a bath, the walk in makes a lot of sense. Even with grab
>> bars, stepping over a tub can be a danger, even impossible for some.
>
>I had never heard of a 'walk in bathtub' before this thread - so I
>googled. From what I saw on various sites/pics, one would have to sit in
>there while filling it and then wait until all (or 99%) of the water
>drains out before opening the door.... I don't have the patience for that
>LOL. Not to mention I would freeze in winter while waiting for the thing
>to fill up. (No central heating here).
>
>Also I would be wary about water leakage through the door seals. The
>water where we live is very 'hard' and we have to contend with calcium
>build-up in the shower head, all our faucets and related plumbing - so we
>have to clean and/or change rubber washers/seals on the faucets and
>toilet cistern mechanisms, etc. more often than most. By the looks of it,
>these tubs are rather pricey too.
>
>But I suppose if one can afford it, and doesn't mind the wait, it would
>suit some people.

I wouldn't like having to sit in the tub until it fills and drains.
We have an over sized tub, it's extra deep and exta wide from
Bathfitters, of some sort of space age plastic with a molded in padded
bottom at the rear third. The last owners had it installed, because
she's a soaker, they had a new home built and put a spa tub in their
basement. We don't take soaking baths we prefer showers so I installed
a fancy schmancy shower head that has several spray selections
including a powerful pulsating jet that I like very much for my back.
Neither of us likes soaking in our dirty bathwater.
If you have hard water like our well water you need a water softener,
totally ended all the nasty deposits. Softened water feels very
sexually arousing too, you will have trouble stopping touching your
body, your skin will feel like slippery silk. Also softened water is
a must for doing laundry, washing clothes in hard water is like not
washing them at all. A water softener costs little and very little to
maintain... a 40# sack of salt about every six weeks only costs $6, a
very small price to eliminate all those nasty calcium deposits. Not
only does laundry wash much better so do dishes, and especially
shampooing your hair, you won't need conditioner. All our water is
softened except outside hose bibs, but we have one hose bib right at
the garage door with softened tempered water so we can wash the salt
off the cars in winter with warm water, and no water spots ever.
Washing everything with softened water makes a very noticeable
difference, soap lathers like it's supposed to, even toothpaste works
smuch better. All our water also passes through a UV light chamber,
kills bacteria and viruses,,, cuts way down on colds and visits to the
Dermatologist. Our A/C duct has a state of the art Aprilair filter
and also has a UV lamp installed. With the AprilAir filter we never
open windows, we have no screens to collect pollen and schmutz, I
detest looking through screens, especialy dirty screens... the
filtering chamber can be adjusted to let in a percentage of outside
air, sort of like how high end cars have a cabin filter only this is
better. The A/C filter works 24/7, even in winter, when the system
doesn't call for cool the blower motor switches to low speed. With
the Aprilair filter there's only one filter element, needs to be
replaced every two years, $40.. the A/C service guy changes the filter
and the UV lamps. The UV lamps are a bit pricey, about $100 each and
we have three. two for the A/C and one for the water. They may not be
burned out but still need changing every two years as after a while
the UV emission becomes progressively weaker, plus they need proper
disposal, UV lamps contain mercury.... $10 per lamp. Some choose to
do the servic e themselves and toss the old bulbs in their trash but I
have a professional service the A/C and another professional service
the water softener and the RO filter. He tests the water hardness and
adjusts the salt meter to suit, with well water hardness is constantly
changing due to underground flumes changing. He also takes samples to
have tested at an independant lab.
The air one breathes and the water one uses is very important to one's
health.... we believe clean water and clean air extends one's life.
People would be much better off spending the money they waste on the
organic foods scam for better water and air... organic food is most
definately a scam, as is bottled water. I grow most of my own veggies
and use no chemferts or insecticides yet so long as there's
precipitation, runoff, and gravity organic farming is IMPOSSIBLE...
unless grown in a hot house under laboratory clean room conditions.

On 2019-01-25 11:06 a.m., Cheri wrote:
> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 05:25:17 -0800, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I don't think it would be feasible in drought areas either, but then I
>>> don't really know how much water it takes.
>>>
>>
>> One of the sites I looked at said between 40 to 80 gallons, depending on
>> the model one chooses, so yeah, there is that too.
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chatty Cathy
>
>
> Geez, even if not a drought, most places have water metering.
>

That is a lot of water. I am on a well, so all it costs me is the
electricity to pump the water, but then there is the cost of heating
that much water.

wrote:
>
>
> I wouldn't like having to sit in the tub until it fills and drains.
> We have an over sized tub, it's extra deep and exta wide from
> Bathfitters, of some sort of space age plastic with a molded in padded
> bottom at the rear third. The last owners had it installed, because
> she's a soaker, they had a new home built and put a spa tub in their
> basement. We don't take soaking baths we prefer showers so I installed
> a fancy schmancy shower head that has several spray selections
> including a powerful pulsating jet that I like very much for my back.
> Neither of us likes soaking in our dirty bathwater.
> If you have hard water like our well water you need a water softener,
> totally ended all the nasty deposits. Softened water feels very
> sexually arousing too, you will have trouble stopping touching your
> body, your skin will feel like slippery silk. Also softened water is
> a must for doing laundry, washing clothes in hard water is like not
> washing them at all. A water softener costs little and very little to
> maintain... a 40# sack of salt about every six weeks only costs $6, a
> very small price to eliminate all those nasty calcium deposits. Not
> only does laundry wash much better so do dishes, and especially
> shampooing your hair, you won't need conditioner. All our water is
> softened except outside hose bibs, but we have one hose bib right at
> the garage door with softened tempered water so we can wash the salt
> off the cars in winter with warm water, and no water spots ever.
> Washing everything with softened water makes a very noticeable
> difference, soap lathers like it's supposed to, even toothpaste works
> smuch better. All our water also passes through a UV light chamber,
> kills bacteria and viruses,,, cuts way down on colds and visits to the
> Dermatologist. Our A/C duct has a state of the art Aprilair filter
> and also has a UV lamp installed. With the AprilAir filter we never
> open windows, we have no screens to collect pollen and schmutz, I
> detest looking through screens, especialy dirty screens... the
> filtering chamber can be adjusted to let in a percentage of outside
> air, sort of like how high end cars have a cabin filter only this is
> better. The A/C filter works 24/7, even in winter, when the system
> doesn't call for cool the blower motor switches to low speed. With
> the Aprilair filter there's only one filter element, needs to be
> replaced every two years, $40.. the A/C service guy changes the filter
> and the UV lamps. The UV lamps are a bit pricey, about $100 each and
> we have three. two for the A/C and one for the water. They may not be
> burned out but still need changing every two years as after a while
> the UV emission becomes progressively weaker, plus they need proper
> disposal, UV lamps contain mercury.... $10 per lamp. Some choose to
> do the servic e themselves and toss the old bulbs in their trash but I
> have a professional service the A/C and another professional service
> the water softener and the RO filter. He tests the water hardness and
> adjusts the salt meter to suit, with well water hardness is constantly
> changing due to underground flumes changing. He also takes samples to
> have tested at an independant lab.
> The air one breathes and the water one uses is very important to one's
> health.... we believe clean water and clean air extends one's life.
> People would be much better off spending the money they waste on the
> organic foods scam for better water and air... organic food is most
> definately a scam, as is bottled water. I grow most of my own veggies
> and use no chemferts or insecticides yet so long as there's
> precipitation, runoff, and gravity organic farming is IMPOSSIBLE...
> unless grown in a hot house under laboratory clean room conditions.

Good grief! I marked this as unread until I have plenty of spare
time.
Perhaps Trump should hire this fellow newyorker to build him a
wall of text. lol

writes:
wrote:
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't like having to sit in the tub until it fills and drains.

[...]
>> unless grown in a hot house under laboratory clean room conditions.
>
>Good grief! I marked this as unread until I have plenty of spare
>time.
>Perhaps Trump should hire this fellow newyorker to build him a
>wall of text. lol

"You talking too much and you story is not interesting" -Mr Kim
(Kim's Convenience)

"Gary" > wrote in message speaking of Sheldon's very long
post.

> Good grief! I marked this as unread until I have plenty of spare
> time.
> Perhaps Trump should hire this fellow newyorker to build him a
> wall of text. lol


Paragraphs are his friend. I simply could not make it through all of it.

Cheri

On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 7:10:09 AM UTC-6, Chatty Cathy wrote:
>
> I had never heard of a 'walk in bathtub' before this thread - so I
> googled. From what I saw on various sites/pics, one would have to sit in
> there while filling it and then wait until all (or 99%) of the water
> drains out before opening the door.... I don't have the patience for that
> LOL. Not to mention I would freeze in winter while waiting for the thing
> to fill up. (No central heating here).
>
You can buy models that have a 'power drain.' They're guaranteed to drain the
water in about 90 seconds. Also, you can buy them that have a heater to keep
the water warm while you are in the tub.
>
> Also I would be wary about water leakage through the door seals. The
> water where we live is very 'hard' and we have to contend with calcium
> build-up in the shower head, all our faucets and related plumbing - so we
> have to clean and/or change rubber washers/seals on the faucets and
> toilet cistern mechanisms, etc. more often than most. By the looks of it,
> these tubs are rather pricey too.
>
I've experienced absolutely no leakage around my door but I don't know what
hard water would do to the seals on these.

Yes, these tubs can be quite pricey. The Safe-Step tub that is sold here has
not been sold for less than $11,000 installed. I had my bathroom completely
remodeled for $12,578. What ****ed me off when inquiring about a Safe-Step
tub is they will absolutely NOT give a quote for the tub and it's installation.
They insist on coming to your house to give a quote and in hopes of selling
you one. Joan doesn't play that game.
>
> But I suppose if one can afford it, and doesn't mind the wait, it would
> suit some people.
>
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy
>
It's not often that I fill my walk-in tub as it holds 65 gallons of water but
it does drain fast without the power drain.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 16:48:35 -0800, wrote:


> You can buy models that have a 'power drain.' They're guaranteed to
> drain the water in about 90 seconds. Also, you can buy them that have a
> heater to keep the water warm while you are in the tub.
>>
It's not just the time it takes to drain it's the filling time too - and
once it's full, sitting in the nice warm water is very pleasant - no
matter what kind of tub.

However, depending on the water pressure in the house, it can take a
while to fill up. If one has central heating, sitting starkers in the tub
for say 10-15 mins (in winter) while it slowly fills with warm water
would probably be just fine. But if not...... brrrrrrrr.

>>
> I've experienced absolutely no leakage around my door but I don't know
> what hard water would do to the seals on these.

Years ago, when I lived in the 'city' with municipal water, I had far
less problems with calcium build-up. But where we live now, we have
ground water so we just have to deal with hard water.

>
> Yes, these tubs can be quite pricey. The Safe-Step tub that is sold
> here has not been sold for less than $11,000 installed.

Yowser!

>
> I had my bathroom completely remodeled for $12,578. What ****ed me off
> when inquiring about a Safe-Step tub is they will absolutely NOT give a
> quote for the tub and it's installation.
> They insist on coming to your house to give a quote and in hopes of
> selling you one. Joan doesn't play that game.

Yeah, sales droids can be a real PITA,

>
> It's not often that I fill my walk-in tub as it holds 65 gallons of
> water but it does drain fast without the power drain.

We worked out how much water I use in my 'normal' bathtub and it would be
about 250l (66 US gallons) so that's practically the same. Of course
'normal' tubs vary in size too - and how deep one fills it. Mine takes
maybe 2-3 minutes to drain - just gravity doing its thing - but I don't
have to wait for it to be empty before getting out of the bathtub. Also
because we have ground water - as Dave mentioned - you only pay for the
electricity to pump it up (and heat it), the water itself is 'free'.

So.... there's several factors involved here. I know people say showers
are more cost-effective and they're right, but I like my soak in the
bathtub

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

wrote:
>
> The air one breathes and the water one uses is very important to one's
> health....

Yes. And it's a shame you live on closed up recycled home air
24/7 with all your nifty filters. Ever hear of fresh air? It's
not the evil that you seem to think.

With a good easterly wind here, I'll open all east and west
windows, flush out old air and replace with fresh off-the-ocean
air.

Do you wear a respirator to go outside. Wouldn't want to breathe
that evil fresh air, would we?

On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 7:17:59 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
> >
> > The air one breathes and the water one uses is very important to one's
> > health....
>
> Yes. And it's a shame you live on closed up recycled home air
> 24/7 with all your nifty filters. Ever hear of fresh air? It's
> not the evil that you seem to think.
>
> With a good easterly wind here, I'll open all east and west
> windows, flush out old air and replace with fresh off-the-ocean
> air.
>

Not everybody has fresh off-the-ocean air. Ours is usually humid
and laden with mold, pollen or dust. Nevertheless, we occasionally
open our windows, even in the winter.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Not everybody has fresh off-the-ocean air. Ours is usually humid
> and laden with mold, pollen or dust. Nevertheless, we occasionally
> open our windows, even in the winter.

Especially in winter. Doctor told me many years ago that the
reason winter is the traditional cold and flu season is because
that's when people keep their houses closed up. Those viruses are
around all year long. People just need to get fresh air.

I do that all the time even in winter... Get a nice breezy day
even when it's cold. Turn off your heat, open all windows and
replace the old air with fresh... if you have central heat, turn
fan on for a few minutes to flush out all your air ducts too.

On a windy winter cold day it only takes about 15 minutes. After
that, close up windows and doors and turn the heat back on. You
lose very little heat. All your walls, furniture, etc are still
warm. Just reheat the air and that takes no time at all.

On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 9:43:47 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Not everybody has fresh off-the-ocean air. Ours is usually humid
> > and laden with mold, pollen or dust. Nevertheless, we occasionally
> > open our windows, even in the winter.
>
> Especially in winter. Doctor told me many years ago that the
> reason winter is the traditional cold and flu season is because
> that's when people keep their houses closed up. Those viruses are
> around all year long. People just need to get fresh air.
>
> I do that all the time even in winter... Get a nice breezy day
> even when it's cold.

We only open the windows when it's relatively warm out. Say, above 30 F.
This Thursday we're supposed to have a low of -12 and a high of 1. That
contrasts sharply with your predicted low of 427 and high of 44.

I believe we'll keep the windows closed until the weather mends.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> This Thursday we're supposed to have a low of -12 and a high of 1. That
> contrasts sharply with your predicted low of 427 and high of 44.

Huh?

On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > This Thursday we're supposed to have a low of -12 and a high of 1. That
> > contrasts sharply with your predicted low of 427 and high of 44.
>
> Huh?

Sorry. Bad typo. Your low of 27 and high of 44.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2019-01-26 7:18 a.m., Gary wrote:

> Yes. And it's a shame you live on closed up recycled home air
> 24/7 with all your nifty filters. Ever hear of fresh air? It's
> not the evil that you seem to think.
>
> With a good easterly wind here, I'll open all east and west
> windows, flush out old air and replace with fresh off-the-ocean
> air.
>
> Do you wear a respirator to go outside. Wouldn't want to breathe
> that evil fresh air, would we?
>



On a related note..... there were stories in the news yesterday about
air quality on cruise ships. People who go for cruises expect to be
getting away from urban pollution when they get out on the open seas.
Thanks to the huge engines that power those ships, they end up with
poorer quality air than they would get back home in the city.

On 1/26/2019 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Not everybody has fresh off-the-ocean air. Ours is usually humid
>> and laden with mold, pollen or dust. Nevertheless, we occasionally
>> open our windows, even in the winter.
>
> Especially in winter. Doctor told me many years ago that the
> reason winter is the traditional cold and flu season is because
> that's when people keep their houses closed up. Those viruses are
> around all year long. People just need to get fresh air.
>
> I do that all the time even in winter... Get a nice breezy day
> even when it's cold. Turn off your heat, open all windows and
> replace the old air with fresh... if you have central heat, turn
> fan on for a few minutes to flush out all your air ducts too.
>
> On a windy winter cold day it only takes about 15 minutes. After
> that, close up windows and doors and turn the heat back on. You
> lose very little heat. All your walls, furniture, etc are still
> warm. Just reheat the air and that takes no time at all.
>
I've heard about the benefits of that often. I never opened all the
windows, but at time we'd give the air a flush. Leave the door open a
few minutes, kitchen window with the whole house fan on. Always feels
good after.

On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 07:18:03 -0500, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> The air one breathes and the water one uses is very important to one's
>> health....
>
>Yes. And it's a shame you live on closed up recycled home air
>24/7 with all your nifty filters. Ever hear of fresh air? It's
>not the evil that you seem to think.

Your reading comprehension is as poor as the dwarfs, like the dwarf
your mind only comprehends what you want it to... didn't you
comprehend when I wrote how the Aprilair filter has a control for
allowing a percentage of outside air to enter, same as most modern
automobiles. I even have some window screens with built in filters
that I use between seasons. Where I live if I opened my windows it
wouldn't be a day before everything would be yellow from pollen.
I can't help it you live a baby step above homeless people, you don't
even have medical insurance, you likely don't have air conditioning so
you open your windows, and the reason you never got a new ferret is
because you can't afford to feed it.

On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 11:48:25 -0500, wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 07:18:03 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>>
>>> The air one breathes and the water one uses is very important to one's
>>> health....
>>
>>Yes. And it's a shame you live on closed up recycled home air
>>24/7 with all your nifty filters. Ever hear of fresh air? It's
>>not the evil that you seem to think.
>
>Your reading comprehension is as poor as the dwarfs, like the dwarf
>your mind only comprehends what you want it to... didn't you
>comprehend when I wrote how the Aprilair filter has a control for
>allowing a percentage of outside air to enter, same as most modern
>automobiles.

lol @ 'automobiles'.

>I even have some window screens with built in filters
>that I use between seasons. Where I live if I opened my windows it
>wouldn't be a day before everything would be yellow from pollen.
>I can't help it you live a baby step above homeless people, you don't
>even have medical insurance, you likely don't have air conditioning so
>you open your windows, and the reason you never got a new ferret is
>because you can't afford to feed it.

Talk about going off on a tangent.

wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 07:18:03 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The air one breathes and the water one uses is very important to one's
>>> health....
>>
>> Yes. And it's a shame you live on closed up recycled home air
>> 24/7 with all your nifty filters. Ever hear of fresh air? It's
>> not the evil that you seem to think.
>
> Your reading comprehension is as poor as the dwarfs, like the dwarf
> your mind only comprehends what you want it to... didn't you
> comprehend when I wrote how the Aprilair filter has a control for
> allowing a percentage of outside air to enter, same as most modern
> automobiles. I even have some window screens with built in filters
> that I use between seasons. Where I live if I opened my windows it
> wouldn't be a day before everything would be yellow from pollen.
> I can't help it you live a baby step above homeless people, you don't
> even have medical insurance, you likely don't have air conditioning so
> you open your windows, and the reason you never got a new ferret is
> because you can't afford to feed it.
>

Popeye, pull yoose head out of yoose ass and come up for some air.

On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 2:54:05 AM UTC-6, Chatty Cathy wrote:
>
> However, depending on the water pressure in the house, it can take a
> while to fill up. If one has central heating, sitting starkers in the tub
> for say 10-15 mins (in winter) while it slowly fills with warm water
> would probably be just fine. But if not...... brrrrrrrr.
>
My house is 95 years old and I do have central heating with a vent in the bathroom. But to keep the bathroom warm while bathing I'd have to crank up the
thermostat. To solve that problem I bought a ceramic heater with a cut-off
feature if it is tipped over. Bathroom stays nice and toasting with it.
>
> > Yes, these tubs can be quite pricey. The Safe-Step tub that is sold
> > here has not been sold for less than $11,000 installed.
>
> Yowser!
>
That's what I thought after popping my eyes back in my head.
>
> > It's not often that I fill my walk-in tub as it holds 65 gallons of
> > water but it does drain fast without the power drain.
>
> I know people say showers
> are more cost-effective and they're right, but I like my soak in the
> bathtub
>
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy
>
Sometimes nothing beats a nice long soak in a tub of hot water. It does wonders
for aching bones and muscles that need relaxing. My walk-in tub has the water
jets and they are great for a soothing soak. It doesn't faze me in the least
that I look like a prune when I get out.
:-)