On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:31:03 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 1:18:40 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
>> My least favorite place to store anything is on the very bottom part
>> of lower cabinets... I don't feel like crawling on the floor with a
>> flashlight to find things.
>
>Two words: pullout shelves
>
>The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
>shelves in every base cabinet.
>
>Cindy Hamilton\

I'd still need to crawl on the floor.
A lot less expensive and problematic to store stuff in the basement.
Actually I don't consider a house without a basement a house.. a house
on a slab is exactly the same as living in a garage, or a goat barn A
lot of the old barns here have a basement, the basements were used for
whelping livestock. Today many are converted to houses and sell for 2
million and up... an old barn on 40+ acres sells for big bucks... the
old barns were built far better than modern houses.

On 2/13/2019 7:29 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:31:03 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 1:18:40 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>>> My least favorite place to store anything is on the very bottom part
>>> of lower cabinets... I don't feel like crawling on the floor with a
>>> flashlight to find things.
>>
>> Two words: pullout shelves
>>
>> The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
>> shelves in every base cabinet.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton\
>
> I'd still need to crawl on the floor.
> A lot less expensive and problematic to store stuff in the basement.
> Actually I don't consider a house without a basement a house..
(snippage)

Yes, we know, Sheldon. What you don't seem to comprehend is not every
house is built where a basement makes any sense. Where I live is about
23 feet above sea level. Having a basement would be just plain stupid.

Jill

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 19:29:56 -0500, wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:31:03 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>Two words: pullout shelves
>>
>>The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
>>shelves in every base cabinet.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton\
>
>I'd still need to crawl on the floor.
>A lot less expensive and problematic to store stuff in the basement.
>Actually I don't consider a house without a basement a house.. a house
>on a slab is exactly the same as living in a garage, or a goat barn A
>lot of the old barns here have a basement, the basements were used for
>whelping livestock.

The bloody real estate agent never told us we were looking at a goat
barn! On the plus side, we don't whelp much livestock.

On 2/13/2019 7:29 PM, wrote:

> Actually I don't consider a house without a basement a house.. a house
> on a slab is exactly the same as living in a garage, or a goat barn

But we did get the goats out before we moved in.

The grain left behind makes a good breakfast cereal. Makes a good start
for the day.

On 2/13/2019 8:07 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/13/2019 7:29 PM, wrote:
>
>> Actually I don't consider a house without a basement a house.. a house
>> on a slab is exactly the same as living in a garage, or a goat barn
>
> But we did get the goats out before we moved in.
>
You should have cooked those pesky goats on your new grill.

> The grain left behind makes a good breakfast cereal.Â* Makes a good start
> for the day.

No doubt!

Jill

>> The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
>> shelves in every base cabinet.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> They can be added to existing cabinets too.Â* Nice to have.

When my father retired his first project was to refit the kitchen. He
refinished the existing cabinets and replaced the counter top and sink
and added sliders into all the lower cabinets.

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 7:30:01 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:31:03 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 1:18:40 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> >> My least favorite place to store anything is on the very bottom part
> >> of lower cabinets... I don't feel like crawling on the floor with a
> >> flashlight to find things.
> >
> >Two words: pullout shelves
> >
> >The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
> >shelves in every base cabinet.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton\
>
> I'd still need to crawl on the floor.

I'm sorry to hear you're too old to bend over and pick something up
that's 6 (or more) inches off the floor.

Cindy Hamilton

> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
> > >shelves in every base cabinet.

Sheldar, "I'd still need to crawl on the floor."

Cindy, "I'm sorry to hear you're too old to bend over and pick
something up that's 6 (or more) inches off the floor.

heheh

On 2/13/2019 2:31 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Two words: pullout shelves
>
> The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
> shelves in every base cabinet.
>

I got pullout shelves in two cabinets, one for the pots and pans.
Very handy, no question, however the shelves themselves take up
a lot of space, at least in my cabinets. I think I'd go with
drawers if I was to remodel another kitchen.

nancy

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 8:56:15 AM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 2/13/2019 2:31 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Two words: pullout shelves
> >
> > The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
> > shelves in every base cabinet.
> >
>
> I got pullout shelves in two cabinets, one for the pots and pans.
> Very handy, no question, however the shelves themselves take up
> a lot of space, at least in my cabinets. I think I'd go with
> drawers if I was to remodel another kitchen.
>
> nancy

You're right about them taking up space. That first kitchen seemed really
huge, so we felt we could afford the wasted space.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 03:13:33 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 7:30:01 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:31:03 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 1:18:40 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >
>> >> My least favorite place to store anything is on the very bottom part
>> >> of lower cabinets... I don't feel like crawling on the floor with a
>> >> flashlight to find things.
>> >
>> >Two words: pullout shelves
>> >
>> >The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
>> >shelves in every base cabinet.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton\
>>
>> I'd still need to crawl on the floor.
>
>I'm sorry to hear you're too old to bend over and pick something up
>that's 6 (or more) inches off the floor.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

You're not thinking,,, it's nothing about picking stuff up off the
floor, it's about reaching into a deep cabinet.

On 2/14/2019 1:30 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 03:13:33 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:

>>>>
>>>> Two words: pullout shelves
>>>>
>>>> The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
>>>> shelves in every base cabinet.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton\
>>>
>>> I'd still need to crawl on the floor.
>>
>> I'm sorry to hear you're too old to bend over and pick something up
>> that's 6 (or more) inches off the floor.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> You're not thinking,,, it's nothing about picking stuff up off the
> floor, it's about reaching into a deep cabinet.
> No reaching in, you pull it out.
https://smile.amazon.com/Lynk-Profes...s%2C159&sr=8-6

Many styles and types available. Doubles too.

This is good under a sink
https://smile.amazon.com/Richards-Ho...ateway&sr=8-41

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 1:11:08 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 2/14/2019 1:30 PM, wrote:
> >
> > You're not thinking,,, it's nothing about picking stuff up off the
> > floor, it's about reaching into a deep cabinet.
> >
> > No reaching in, you pull it out.
> >
> https://smile.amazon.com/Lynk-Profes...s%2C159&sr=8-6
>
I've got these under my cabinets and correct, no reaching nor squatting or
crawling on the floor. Each shelf pulls out individually and all you have
to do pick up what you want from that shelf.
>
> Many styles and types available. Doubles too.
>
Mine are the double shelves.
>
> This is good under a sink
> https://smile.amazon.com/Richards-Ho...ateway&sr=8-41
>
Yes, I've got that under my kitchen sink and it holds a LOT. Really good for
tall/large bottles of dish soap, oven cleaner, etc. The top shelf is perfect
for squatter bottles and holding those packs of green scrubby pads.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:11:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/14/2019 1:30 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 03:13:33 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Two words: pullout shelves
>>>>>
>>>>> The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
>>>>> shelves in every base cabinet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton\
>>>>
>>>> I'd still need to crawl on the floor.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to hear you're too old to bend over and pick something up
>>> that's 6 (or more) inches off the floor.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> You're not thinking,,, it's nothing about picking stuff up off the
>> floor, it's about reaching into a deep cabinet.
>> No reaching in, you pull it out.
>https://smile.amazon.com/Lynk-Profes...s%2C159&sr=8-6
>
>Many styles and types available. Doubles too.
>
>This is good under a sink
>https://smile.amazon.com/Richards-Ho...ateway&sr=8-41


I looked into those things long ago, they at first look like a good
idea but they are impractical, they waste a lot of cabinet volume.
We ssimply don't put any small items in the bottom of those deep
cabinets lest they work their way to the back Anyway our kitchen has
an abundance of cabinets, even a smallish walk-in pantry, so we are
not lacking storage space. Plus we store a lot in a 2,000 sq ft
basement... and then there are the out buildings.

And having a high water table is no excuse for not having a
basement... builders use that excuse to save about $30,000 in
construction costs so they can pocket that savings themselves and
instead shortschrift the buyers. It's extremely easy to build with a
basement in high water table areas or near the ocean. Inland simply
build with 3-4 more steps at the front door... in NYC that's called a
'stoop'. Our house here has four steps to the front door, there's a
high water table here. My inlaw's house in Belize built ~300' from
the sea in a hurricane path is some 12' above ground on pilings,
during a hurricane the sea runs underneath. There's a small
reinforced concrete storage room under the house for garden tools etc.
but the house is essentially two stories with the attic quite livable.
Many houses near the sea in the tropics are built like this:
https://postimg.cc/zLgyZVG3
That's a building style from about 100 years ago, still very popular
but now there are more contemporary styles up on pilings.

On 2/14/2019 4:22 PM, wrote:

>>
>> Many styles and types available. Doubles too.
>>
>> This is good under a sink
>> https://smile.amazon.com/Richards-Ho...ateway&sr=8-41
>
>
> I looked into those things long ago, they at first look like a good
> idea but they are impractical, they waste a lot of cabinet volume.
> We ssimply don't put any small items in the bottom of those deep
> cabinets lest they work their way to the back

If you cannot properly utilize a cabinet because it is deep, space is
wasted. These make it easy.



> And having a high water table is no excuse for not having a
> basement... builders use that excuse to save about $30,000 in
> construction costs so they can pocket that savings themselves and
> instead shortschrift the buyers. It's extremely easy to build with a
> basement in high water table areas or near the ocean. Inland simply
> build with 3-4 more steps at the front door... in NYC that's called a
> 'stoop'. Our house here has four steps to the front door, there's a
> high water table here.

So, it is not a true basement but a buld up around the foundation. Once
reason we chose this house was no steps. Adding steps to get in the
house and having to go down steps to a basement, dug or artificial, is
counterproductive. I'm happy for you that you don't have arthritis,
knee surgery or a heart condition and can easily go down to the dungeon.
We prefer one level.

On 2/14/2019 10:25 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 8:56:15 AM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I got pullout shelves in two cabinets, one for the pots and pans.
>> Very handy, no question, however the shelves themselves take up
>> a lot of space, at least in my cabinets. I think I'd go with
>> drawers if I was to remodel another kitchen.

> You're right about them taking up space. That first kitchen seemed really
> huge, so we felt we could afford the wasted space.

Notice I haven't removed the two sets I have. I would not want to
have to reach back on the bottom shelf every time I needed some
pot.

nancy

On 2/14/2019 4:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/14/2019 4:22 PM, wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Many styles and types available.Â* Doubles too.
>>>
>>> This is good under a sink
>>> https://smile.amazon.com/Richards-Ho...ateway&sr=8-41
>>>
>>
>>
>> I looked into those things long ago, they at first look like a good
>> idea but they are impractical, they waste a lot of cabinet volume.
>> We ssimply don't put any small items in the bottom of those deep
>> cabinets lest they work their way to the back
>
> If you cannot properly utilize a cabinet because it is deep, space is
> wasted.Â* These make it easy.
>
Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Seems to be a pull-out shelf in a deep
cabinet would make things easier and not take up more room than an
stationery shelf, except perhaps the glides for the shelf rollers. No
worse than having a pull-out drawer.

>> And having a high water table is no excuse for not having a
>> basement... builders use that excuse to save about $30,000 in
>> construction costs so they can pocket that savings themselves and
>> instead shortschrift the buyers.Â*Â* It's extremely easy to build with a
>> basement in high water table areas or near the ocean.Â* Inland simply
>> build with 3-4 more steps at the front door... in NYC that's called a
>> 'stoop'.Â* Our house here has four steps to the front door, there's a
>> high water table here.
>
> So, it is not a true basement but a buld up around the foundation.Â* Once
> reason we chose this house was no steps.Â* Adding steps to get in the
> house and having to go down steps to a basement, dug or artificial, is
> counterproductive.Â* I'm happy for you that you don't have arthritis,
> knee surgery or a heart condition and can easily go down to the dungeon.
> Â*We prefer one level.

I prefer one level, too, and gee, I don't [yet] have any problems with
walking up and down stairs. Even my apartment before I moved here was
comprised of single-story units, similar to duplexes.

I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a basement.
Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the kitchen. I
have extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen. Why the heck
would I want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)

Jill

On 2/14/2019 5:44 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 2/14/2019 10:25 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 8:56:15 AM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I got pullout shelves in two cabinets, one for the pots and pans.
>>> Very handy, no question, however the shelves themselves take up
>>> a lot of space, at least in my cabinets.Â* I think I'd go with
>>> drawers if I was to remodel another kitchen.
>
>> You're right about them taking up space. That first kitchen seemed really
>> huge, so we felt we could afford the wasted space.
>
> Notice I haven't removed the two sets I have.Â* I would not want to
> have to reach back on the bottom shelf every time I needed some
> pot.
>
> nancy

I've got deep cabinets and the top shelf is waaaay back there. I do
think I'd enjoy pull-out shelves but I'm not going to remodel the
kitchen so... I make do. I simply don't put anything I need to use
frequently on the upper shelf in the back of the lower cabinets.

As for under the kitchen sink, I've got some small (cheap) organizer
bins that hold household cleaning supplies, scrubber sponges, etc. That
way things I use frequently don't get shoved to the back where I can't
find them. Somehow, I manage. (laugh)

Jill

On 2/14/2019 4:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Â* One
> reason we chose this house was no steps.Â* Adding steps to get in the
> house and having to go down steps to a basement, dug or artificial, is
> counterproductive.Â* I'm happy for you that you don't have arthritis,
> knee surgery or a heart condition and can easily go down to the dungeon.
> Â*We prefer one level.

We're having work done on our home to make everything on one level, with
a fully handicap-accessible shower room. The laundry room won't be in
the basement (the house doesn't have one!), it will be easy to walk to,
pushing a wheeled laundry basket. No steps, no lifting heavy baskets.
We want to be as independent as possible, for as long as possible.

I saw my mother struggle with steps and an awkward bathroom, and I
intend to learn from her mistakes. She was young enough, and fit enough,
when she moved there, and somehow never thought about how difficult
things would be as she grew older.

On 2/14/2019 6:30 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 2/14/2019 4:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Â* One reason we chose this house was no steps.Â* Adding steps to get in
>> the house and having to go down steps to a basement, dug or
>> artificial, is counterproductive.Â* I'm happy for you that you don't
>> have arthritis, knee surgery or a heart condition and can easily go
>> down to the dungeon. Â*Â*We prefer one level.
>
> We're having work done on our home to make everything on one level, with
> a fully handicap-accessible shower room. The laundry room won't be in
> the basement (the house doesn't have one!), it will be easy to walk to,
> pushing a wheeled laundry basket. No steps, no lifting heavy baskets.
> We want to be as independent as possible, for as long as possible.
>
> I saw my mother struggle with steps and an awkward bathroom, and I
> intend to learn from her mistakes. She was young enough, and fit enough,
> when she moved there, and somehow never thought about how difficult
> things would be as she grew older.

I do believe a lot of people don't think about steps when it comes to
building a house. Or think about aging. Until they find themselves
unable to navigate the steps.

I remember being told my paternal grandmother was unable to climb the
stairs to reach the only bathroom in her house. Her eldest daughter, my
Aunt, went to visit and discovered she'd been using a chamber pot in the
downstairs living room. She'd been sleeping on the couch because she
couldn't get up the stairs to her bedroom. The laundry room was in the
basement. No way could she go down those steps.

BTW, that house had laundry chutes. That was really fun when I was a
kid. Really? You just put your dirty clothes down here and it comes
out in a basket in the basement. And Grandma washed them. Well, not
for me. But it was a really fun house with still working laundry chutes
the last time I saw it.

Oh, and the formal dining room, behind glassed pocked doors, had
mahogany built-ins along one entire wall. Built in china cabinets,
pleaces for glassware, silverware, serving ware, linens.

She was too proud to tell her living children she couldn't manage on her
own anymore.

It was sad. If she hadn't had to climb stairs to access the necessities
such as the bathroom and her bedroom, she might have lived longer.

Jill

wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:11:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 2/14/2019 1:30 PM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 03:13:33 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two words: pullout shelves
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
>>>>>> shelves in every base cabinet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton\
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd still need to crawl on the floor.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry to hear you're too old to bend over and pick something up
>>>> that's 6 (or more) inches off the floor.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> You're not thinking,,, it's nothing about picking stuff up off the
>>> floor, it's about reaching into a deep cabinet.
>>> No reaching in, you pull it out.
>> https://smile.amazon.com/Lynk-Profes...s%2C159&sr=8-6
>>
>> Many styles and types available. Doubles too.
>>
>> This is good under a sink
>> https://smile.amazon.com/Richards-Ho...ateway&sr=8-41
>
>
> I looked into those things long ago, they at first look like a good
> idea but they are impractical, they waste a lot of cabinet volume.
> We ssimply don't put any small items in the bottom of those deep
> cabinets lest they work their way to the back Anyway our kitchen has
> an abundance of cabinets, even a smallish walk-in pantry, so we are
> not lacking storage space. Plus we store a lot in a 2,000 sq ft
> basement... and then there are the out buildings.
>
> And having a high water table is no excuse for not having a
> basement... builders use that excuse to save about $30,000 in
> construction costs so they can pocket that savings themselves and
> instead shortschrift the buyers. It's extremely easy to build with a
> basement in high water table areas or near the ocean. Inland simply
> build with 3-4 more steps at the front door... in NYC that's called a
> 'stoop'. Our house here has four steps to the front door, there's a
> high water table here. My inlaw's house in Belize built ~300' from
> the sea in a hurricane path is some 12' above ground on pilings,
> during a hurricane the sea runs underneath. There's a small
> reinforced concrete storage room under the house for garden tools etc.
> but the house is essentially two stories with the attic quite livable.
> Many houses near the sea in the tropics are built like this:
> https://postimg.cc/zLgyZVG3
> That's a building style from about 100 years ago, still very popular
> but now there are more contemporary styles up on pilings.
>


Hows the basement in dem darkies house down in belize? I bet it's 50 ft
deep. No way dem coons will get wet in that basement. I bet yoose
designed it for them, right? Yoose a toolmaker, just like J. Kunt is an
engineer and dope nurse.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/14/2019 4:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/14/2019 4:22 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Many styles and types available. Doubles too.
>>>>
>>>> This is good under a sink
>>>> https://smile.amazon.com/Richards-Ho...ateway&sr=8-41
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I looked into those things long ago, they at first look like a good
>>> idea but they are impractical, they waste a lot of cabinet volume.
>>> We ssimply don't put any small items in the bottom of those deep
>>> cabinets lest they work their way to the back
>>
>> If you cannot properly utilize a cabinet because it is deep, space is
>> wasted. These make it easy.
>>
> Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Seems to be a pull-out shelf in a deep
> cabinet would make things easier and not take up more room than an
> stationery shelf, except perhaps the glides for the shelf rollers. No
> worse than having a pull-out drawer.
>
>>> And having a high water table is no excuse for not having a
>>> basement... builders use that excuse to save about $30,000 in
>>> construction costs so they can pocket that savings themselves and
>>> instead shortschrift the buyers. It's extremely easy to build with a
>>> basement in high water table areas or near the ocean. Inland simply
>>> build with 3-4 more steps at the front door... in NYC that's called a
>>> 'stoop'. Our house here has four steps to the front door, there's a
>>> high water table here.
>>
>> So, it is not a true basement but a buld up around the foundation.
>> Once reason we chose this house was no steps. Adding steps to get in
>> the house and having to go down steps to a basement, dug or
>> artificial, is counterproductive. I'm happy for you that you don't
>> have arthritis, knee surgery or a heart condition and can easily go
>> down to the dungeon. We prefer one level.
>
> I prefer one level, too, and gee, I don't [yet] have any problems with
> walking up and down stairs. Even my apartment before I moved here was
> comprised of single-story units, similar to duplexes.
>
> I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a basement.
> Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the kitchen. I
> have extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen. Why the heck
> would I want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)
>
> Jill

Yoose don't even want to know what Popeye does in his basement.

Just stay far far away.

Nancy Young wrote:
> On 2/14/2019 10:25 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 8:56:15 AM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I got pullout shelves in two cabinets, one for the pots and pans.
>>> Very handy, no question, however the shelves themselves take up
>>> a lot of space, at least in my cabinets. I think I'd go with
>>> drawers if I was to remodel another kitchen.
>
>> You're right about them taking up space. That first kitchen seemed really
>> huge, so we felt we could afford the wasted space.
>
> Notice I haven't removed the two sets I have. I would not want to
> have to reach back on the bottom shelf every time I needed some
> pot.
>
> nancy

Nancy, yoose should put yoose pot in the top drawers, with yoose matches
and rolling papers.

John Kunte will be here soon to straighten yoose out. He's a canabanis
nurse.

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 4:22:29 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:11:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 2/14/2019 1:30 PM, wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 03:13:33 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Two words: pullout shelves
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
> >>>>> shelves in every base cabinet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cindy Hamilton\
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd still need to crawl on the floor.
> >>>
> >>> I'm sorry to hear you're too old to bend over and pick something up
> >>> that's 6 (or more) inches off the floor.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> You're not thinking,,, it's nothing about picking stuff up off the
> >> floor, it's about reaching into a deep cabinet.
> >> No reaching in, you pull it out.
> >https://smile.amazon.com/Lynk-Profes...s%2C159&sr=8-6
> >
> >Many styles and types available. Doubles too.
> >
> >This is good under a sink
> >https://smile.amazon.com/Richards-Ho...ateway&sr=8-41
>
>
> I looked into those things long ago, they at first look like a good
> idea but they are impractical, they waste a lot of cabinet volume.
> We ssimply don't put any small items in the bottom of those deep
> cabinets lest they work their way to the back Anyway our kitchen has
> an abundance of cabinets, even a smallish walk-in pantry, so we are
> not lacking storage space. Plus we store a lot in a 2,000 sq ft
> basement... and then there are the out buildings.

If your kitchen has an abundance of cabinets, why worry about how much
space the pullout shelves waste?

Cindy Hamilton

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/14/2019 4:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/14/2019 4:22 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Many styles and types available. Doubles too.
>>>>
>>>> This is good under a sink
>>>> https://smile.amazon.com/Richards-Ho...ateway&sr=8-41
>>>
>>>
>>> I looked into those things long ago, they at first look like a good
>>> idea but they are impractical, they waste a lot of cabinet volume.
>>> We ssimply don't put any small items in the bottom of those deep
>>> cabinets lest they work their way to the back
>>
>> If you cannot properly utilize a cabinet because it is deep, space is
>> wasted. These make it easy.
>>
> Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Seems to be a pull-out shelf in a deep
> cabinet would make things easier and not take up more room than an
> stationery shelf, except perhaps the glides for the shelf rollers. No
> worse than having a pull-out drawer.
>
>>> And having a high water table is no excuse for not having a
>>> basement... builders use that excuse to save about $30,000 in
>>> construction costs so they can pocket that savings themselves and
>>> instead shortschrift the buyers. It's extremely easy to build with a
>>> basement in high water table areas or near the ocean. Inland simply
>>> build with 3-4 more steps at the front door... in NYC that's called a
>>> 'stoop'. Our house here has four steps to the front door, there's a
>>> high water table here.
>>
>> So, it is not a true basement but a buld up around the foundation. Once
>> reason we chose this house was no steps. Adding steps to get in the house
>> and having to go down steps to a basement, dug or artificial, is
>> counterproductive. I'm happy for you that you don't have arthritis, knee
>> surgery or a heart condition and can easily go down to the dungeon. We
>> prefer one level.
>
> I prefer one level, too, and gee, I don't [yet] have any problems with
> walking up and down stairs. Even my apartment before I moved here was
> comprised of single-story units, similar to duplexes.
>
> I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a basement.
> Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the kitchen. I have
> extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen. Why the heck would I
> want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)

I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!

My mom is age 87.5 now. She lives in a two story with full
basement house. She can't do stairs anymore. She lives on ground
floor now. Her bedroom used to be the dining room.

Basements are often more trouble than they are worth. Sheldon is
just....Sheldon.

On 2/15/2019 8:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a
>> basement. Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the
>> kitchen.Â* I have extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen.
>> Why the heck would I want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)
>
> I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!

I can handle stairs but why should I if I don't have to? I certainly
don't have a need for a basement. I've never deemed a basement essential.

Jill

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 11:49:29 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 2/15/2019 8:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a
> >> basement. Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the
> >> kitchen.Â* I have extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen.
> >> Why the heck would I want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)
> >
> > I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!
>
> I can handle stairs but why should I if I don't have to? I certainly
> don't have a need for a basement. I've never deemed a basement essential..
>
> Jill

I've always been glad to have a basement, but it's starting to
become a place to accumulate junk I should throw out.

It's good to have the HVAC ductwork running through the basement
(less heat loss) in our cold climate. It has been convenient for us to maintain our mechanical systems, and I suppose when we
start having someone else do the maintenance it'll be cheaper
than in a crawl space.

I strongly prefer having a basement, but I realize it's not
suitable for every situation. Unlike Sheldon.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 11:41:49 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I've always been glad to have a basement, but it's starting to
> become a place to accumulate junk I should throw out.
>
> It's good to have the HVAC ductwork running through the basement
> (less heat loss) in our cold climate. It has been convenient for us to maintain our mechanical systems, and I suppose when we
> start having someone else do the maintenance it'll be cheaper
> than in a crawl space.
>
> I strongly prefer having a basement, but I realize it's not
> suitable for every situation. Unlike Sheldon.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I have a daylight basement, aka dugout space. There are three things down
there; water heater, sump pump, and the central air unit for the original
part of the house. It is suspended from the 'ceiling' and all ductwork is
running from it. The eleven year old addition has a heat pump with crawl
space about 2 feet high.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:15:18 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!
>
>My mom is age 87.5 now. She lives in a two story with full
>basement house. She can't do stairs anymore. She lives on ground
>floor now. Her bedroom used to be the dining room.
>
>Basements are often more trouble than they are worth. Sheldon is
>just....Sheldon.

Were you a good son you'd buy your mom a motorized seat for her
stairs. I bought my mom one and she loved it. She didn't hasve to be
relgated to a bed in the dining room and a half bath. With the
motorized seat she could have her nice big bedroom and full bath
upstairs. It didn't cost much and folded up when not being used. They
work similar to an automatic garage door opener, and at the time, some
twenty years ago, cost about the same, $800.

When I read how no one needs a basement all I'm reading is tales of
SOUR GRAPES. Anyone who spends hundreds of thousand$ for an abode on
a slab is MAJORLY being ripped off... they know the recently retired
just sold their nice house and are arriving with bags of money...
those builders want all they can glom and give pitifully little in
return... really just a detached garage with some shiney baubles.
All the utilities buried in poured concrete makes repairs and
alterations abominably expensive, often impossible... and then there's
the fact that living directly on the ground one is subjected to mold
and radon... a trailer is healtier, at least there's a crawl space.
Slab living one hay as well live in a petri dish.

Before retiring to a $300,000 crate on a slab I'd choose a $300,000
motor home, then if I don't like my neighbors I can easily mosey on
down the road.
Can buy a very nice houseboat for the same money as a slab garage.
http://www.luxuryhouseboats.com/
A $300,000 houseboat is looking very good for Florida living, there's
a lot of coast line to explore, on a weekend could even pop in at
Jilligan's Island to discuss basements! LOL

Were I younger and single I'd live on a houseboat. I worked with a
fellow in Patchogue, LI at the Rowe tape measure factory who lived on
a houseboat tied up at the factory dock. He called his houseboat a
Pussy Magnet, because of his houseboat he got more than he could
handle. He said ladies were very intrigued with motoring around The
Great South Bay and spending the night under the stars rocked by the
sea,

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:15:38 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/14/2019 6:30 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 2/14/2019 4:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> * One reason we chose this house was no steps.* Adding steps to get in
>>> the house and having to go down steps to a basement, dug or
>>> artificial, is counterproductive.* I'm happy for you that you don't
>>> have arthritis, knee surgery or a heart condition and can easily go
>>> down to the dungeon. **We prefer one level.
>>
>> We're having work done on our home to make everything on one level, with
>> a fully handicap-accessible shower room. The laundry room won't be in
>> the basement (the house doesn't have one!), it will be easy to walk to,
>> pushing a wheeled laundry basket. No steps, no lifting heavy baskets.
>> We want to be as independent as possible, for as long as possible.
>>
>> I saw my mother struggle with steps and an awkward bathroom, and I
>> intend to learn from her mistakes. She was young enough, and fit enough,
>> when she moved there, and somehow never thought about how difficult
>> things would be as she grew older.
>
>I do believe a lot of people don't think about steps when it comes to
>building a house. Or think about aging. Until they find themselves
>unable to navigate the steps.
>
>I remember being told my paternal grandmother was unable to climb the
>stairs to reach the only bathroom in her house. Her eldest daughter, my
>Aunt, went to visit and discovered she'd been using a chamber pot in the
>downstairs living room. She'd been sleeping on the couch because she
>couldn't get up the stairs to her bedroom. The laundry room was in the
>basement. No way could she go down those steps.
>
>BTW, that house had laundry chutes. That was really fun when I was a
>kid. Really? You just put your dirty clothes down here and it comes
>out in a basket in the basement. And Grandma washed them. Well, not
>for me. But it was a really fun house with still working laundry chutes
>the last time I saw it.
>
>Oh, and the formal dining room, behind glassed pocked doors, had
>mahogany built-ins along one entire wall. Built in china cabinets,
>pleaces for glassware, silverware, serving ware, linens.
>
>She was too proud to tell her living children she couldn't manage on her
>own anymore.
>
>It was sad. If she hadn't had to climb stairs to access the necessities
>such as the bathroom and her bedroom, she might have lived longer.
>
>Jill

When we were house hunting we knew we didn't want a two storey house.
It was difficult to find a ranch style house around here that was
large enough, most single story houses were little more than a
hunter's cabin, under 1,000 sq ft. After a year of looking we felt
lucky to find this place, a perfect sized ranch house, 2,000 sq ft and
on just under 20 acres. Actually at this point we wish it was
smaller, 20 acres is a lot to care for, But we'd much rather be
maintaining this property than vegetating in a condo and not lasting
more than a couple years. We've been living here sixteen years now
and feel we can do another sixteen. My wife is seriously into
physical fitness and I'm a perfectionist who needs every tree
perfectly pruned and the lawn mowed precisely at all timesl... I'm the
sort who would rake the melting snow.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 03:04:46 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 4:22:29 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:11:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2/14/2019 1:30 PM, wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 03:13:33 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Two words: pullout shelves
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The kitchen we installed in 1989, in our first house, had pullout
>> >>>>> shelves in every base cabinet.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cindy Hamilton\
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'd still need to crawl on the floor.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm sorry to hear you're too old to bend over and pick something up
>> >>> that's 6 (or more) inches off the floor.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >> You're not thinking,,, it's nothing about picking stuff up off the
>> >> floor, it's about reaching into a deep cabinet.
>> >> No reaching in, you pull it out.
>> >https://smile.amazon.com/Lynk-Profes...s%2C159&sr=8-6
>> >
>> >Many styles and types available. Doubles too.
>> >
>> >This is good under a sink
>> >https://smile.amazon.com/Richards-Ho...ateway&sr=8-41
>>
>>
>> I looked into those things long ago, they at first look like a good
>> idea but they are impractical, they waste a lot of cabinet volume.
>> We ssimply don't put any small items in the bottom of those deep
>> cabinets lest they work their way to the back Anyway our kitchen has
>> an abundance of cabinets, even a smallish walk-in pantry, so we are
>> not lacking storage space. Plus we store a lot in a 2,000 sq ft
>> basement... and then there are the out buildings.
>
>If your kitchen has an abundance of cabinets, why worry about how much
>space the pullout shelves waste?
>
>Cindy Hamilton

You're not too swift... why spend money on something I don't need. . .

wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:15:38 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/14/2019 6:30 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 2/14/2019 4:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> One reason we chose this house was no steps. Adding steps to get in
>>>> the house and having to go down steps to a basement, dug or
>>>> artificial, is counterproductive. I'm happy for you that you don't
>>>> have arthritis, knee surgery or a heart condition and can easily go
>>>> down to the dungeon. We prefer one level.
>>>
>>> We're having work done on our home to make everything on one level, with
>>> a fully handicap-accessible shower room. The laundry room won't be in
>>> the basement (the house doesn't have one!), it will be easy to walk to,
>>> pushing a wheeled laundry basket. No steps, no lifting heavy baskets.
>>> We want to be as independent as possible, for as long as possible.
>>>
>>> I saw my mother struggle with steps and an awkward bathroom, and I
>>> intend to learn from her mistakes. She was young enough, and fit enough,
>>> when she moved there, and somehow never thought about how difficult
>>> things would be as she grew older.
>>
>> I do believe a lot of people don't think about steps when it comes to
>> building a house. Or think about aging. Until they find themselves
>> unable to navigate the steps.
>>
>> I remember being told my paternal grandmother was unable to climb the
>> stairs to reach the only bathroom in her house. Her eldest daughter, my
>> Aunt, went to visit and discovered she'd been using a chamber pot in the
>> downstairs living room. She'd been sleeping on the couch because she
>> couldn't get up the stairs to her bedroom. The laundry room was in the
>> basement. No way could she go down those steps.
>>
>> BTW, that house had laundry chutes. That was really fun when I was a
>> kid. Really? You just put your dirty clothes down here and it comes
>> out in a basket in the basement. And Grandma washed them. Well, not
>> for me. But it was a really fun house with still working laundry chutes
>> the last time I saw it.
>>
>> Oh, and the formal dining room, behind glassed pocked doors, had
>> mahogany built-ins along one entire wall. Built in china cabinets,
>> pleaces for glassware, silverware, serving ware, linens.
>>
>> She was too proud to tell her living children she couldn't manage on her
>> own anymore.
>>
>> It was sad. If she hadn't had to climb stairs to access the necessities
>> such as the bathroom and her bedroom, she might have lived longer.
>>
>> Jill
>
> When we were house hunting we knew we didn't want a two storey house.
> It was difficult to find a ranch style house around here that was
> large enough, most single story houses were little more than a
> hunter's cabin, under 1,000 sq ft. After a year of looking we felt
> lucky to find this place, a perfect sized ranch house, 2,000 sq ft and
> on just under 20 acres. Actually at this point we wish it was
> smaller, 20 acres is a lot to care for, But we'd much rather be
> maintaining this property than vegetating in a condo and not lasting
> more than a couple years. We've been living here sixteen years now
> and feel we can do another sixteen. My wife is seriously into
> physical fitness and I'm a perfectionist who needs every tree
> perfectly pruned and the lawn mowed precisely at all timesl... I'm the
> sort who would rake the melting snow.
>

Popeye, yoose is also the sort that would hump his aunts.

I bet yoose did yoose ma too, when yoose gave her that motorized chair.

On 2019-02-15 11:49 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/15/2019 8:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a
>>> basement. Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the
>>> kitchen.Â* I have extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen.
>>> Why the heck would I want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)
>>
>> I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!
>
> I can handle stairs but why should I if I don't have to?Â* I certainly
> don't have a need for a basement.Â* I've never deemed a basement essential.
>

Maybe it is a regional thing. I live on about the same latitude as
Sheldon and it is really rare to find a house without basement anywhere
around hear. That's where people have their work shops, laundry rooms,
rec rooms and storage. It would be a hard sell to work on a real estate
development of homes without basements unless they were geared to old
people who can't do stairs.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:48:06 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-02-15 11:49 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/15/2019 8:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a
>>>> basement. Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the
>>>> kitchen.* I have extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen.
>>>> Why the heck would I want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)
>>>
>>> I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!
>>
>> I can handle stairs but why should I if I don't have to?* I certainly
>> don't have a need for a basement.* I've never deemed a basement essential.
>>
>
>Maybe it is a regional thing. I live on about the same latitude as
>Sheldon and it is really rare to find a house without basement anywhere
>around hear. That's where people have their work shops, laundry rooms,
>rec rooms and storage. It would be a hard sell to work on a real estate
>development of homes without basements unless they were geared to old
>people who can't do stairs.

Our 120-year-old house is about 8 feet above lake level, and our
basement is wet about 6 months of the year. I can definitely see the
attraction of a home without a basement. (Our laundry room is
above-ground, and the workshop is in the barn.)

Many of the brand new builds near me are going in on cement slabs.
These are beautiful huge million-dollar homes on waterfront lots. They
have in-floor heating coils, and all of the plumbing and wiring runs
through the slab. People don't want to deal with water in their
basements, and this is the solution.

Doris

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:48:06 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-02-15 11:49 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/15/2019 8:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a
>>>> basement. Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the
>>>> kitchen.* I have extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen.
>>>> Why the heck would I want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)
>>>
>>> I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!
>>
>> I can handle stairs but why should I if I don't have to?* I certainly
>> don't have a need for a basement.* I've never deemed a basement essential.
>>
>
>Maybe it is a regional thing. I live on about the same latitude as
>Sheldon and it is really rare to find a house without basement anywhere
>around hear. That's where people have their work shops, laundry rooms,
>rec rooms and storage. It would be a hard sell to work on a real estate
>development of homes without basements unless they were geared to old
>people who can't do stairs.

there are parts of the country that you would have to use dynamite in
order to make a hole for a basement. There are other parts of the
country where the water table is too high.

U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:48:06 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2019-02-15 11:49 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2019 8:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a
>>>>> basement. Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the
>>>>> kitchen. I have extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen.
>>>>> Why the heck would I want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)
>>>>
>>>> I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!
>>>
>>> I can handle stairs but why should I if I don't have to? I certainly
>>> don't have a need for a basement. I've never deemed a basement essential.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe it is a regional thing. I live on about the same latitude as
>> Sheldon and it is really rare to find a house without basement anywhere
>> around hear. That's where people have their work shops, laundry rooms,
>> rec rooms and storage. It would be a hard sell to work on a real estate
>> development of homes without basements unless they were geared to old
>> people who can't do stairs.
>
> there are parts of the country that you would have to use dynamite in
> order to make a hole for a basement.
>

Popeye could dig it with a pickax and a can of spinach.

On 2/15/2019 4:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-02-15 11:49 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/15/2019 8:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a
>>>> basement. Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the
>>>> kitchen.Â* I have extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen.
>>>> Why the heck would I want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)
>>>
>>> I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!
>>
>> I can handle stairs but why should I if I don't have to?Â* I certainly
>> don't have a need for a basement.Â* I've never deemed a basement
>> essential.
>>
>
> Maybe it is a regional thing. I live on about the same latitude as
> Sheldon and it is really rare to find a house without basement anywhere
> around hear. That's where people have their work shops, laundry rooms,
> rec rooms and storage.Â* It would be a hard sell to work on a real estate
> development of homes without basements unless they were geared to old
> people who can't do stairs.
>

Sure, it depends on the geography. Basements make a lot of sense in
some places, but in Florida it would be a swimming pool. Even digging a
pool they get a lot of water intrusion. It is just silly to try.

Sheldon mentioned how it can be done, but it is not a dug basement, just
a slab and foundation with dirt piled around it. Steps are added for
access to the first living floor. We don't want steps.

Everyone has different needs. We bought what works well for us. He
likes a radon filled basement and it works for him.

In article >, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Maybe it is a regional thing. I live on about the same latitude as
> Sheldon and it is really rare to find a house without basement anywhere
> around hear. That's where people have their work shops, laundry rooms,
> rec rooms and storage. It would be a hard sell to work on a real estate
> development of homes without basements unless they were geared to old
> people who can't do stairs.

It "is" a regional thing. The further you go west in the US, the
scarcer basements become. Of course, there are basements available if
you look hard enough. I suppose some homes might even run off of
heating oil. What is that?
Being a provincial guy, I'm sure that there are hotbeds of basements
and heating oil homes somewhere in the west. I just don't know where.

leo

On 2/15/2019 5:40 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:48:06 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2019-02-15 11:49 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2019 8:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I truly don't understand Sheldon's insistance everyone needs a
>>>>> basement. Along with all the other cabinets, I have a pantry in the
>>>>> kitchen.Â* I have extra shelving in the laundry room off the kitchen.
>>>>> Why the heck would I want a basement? (That was a rhetorical question.)
>>>>
>>>> I don't want a basement. Stairs kill me!
>>>
>>> I can handle stairs but why should I if I don't have to?Â* I certainly
>>> don't have a need for a basement.Â* I've never deemed a basement essential.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe it is a regional thing. I live on about the same latitude as
>> Sheldon and it is really rare to find a house without basement anywhere
>> around hear. That's where people have their work shops, laundry rooms,
>> rec rooms and storage. It would be a hard sell to work on a real estate
>> development of homes without basements unless they were geared to old
>> people who can't do stairs.
>
I get that, totally. The north and the midwest, for sure, most homes
have basements. I've lived in homes with basements, where basements
made sense.

> there are parts of the country that you would have to use dynamite in
> order to make a hole for a basement. There are other parts of the
> country where the water table is too high.
>
But wait! Sheldon said the water table/sea level shouldn't matter. He
thinks everyone needs a basement. Not me.

Jill