On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 21:02:28 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-12-08 8:47 p.m., wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:23:21 -0500, Dave Smith
>
>>> There may not be a guarantee that they server would get, but you want to
>>> be able to hold the purse strings like you would the strings of a puppet
>>> to make sure they dance to your tune to get their tip. You want to be
>>> able to withhold the tip and deny them a good wage if your server gets
>>> stuck with a table of 15 that leads to the kitchen and wait staff having
>>> to deal with their orders.
>>>
>> Er no. I go for a meal and if the server is pleasant, does not
>> continually hover over me, but smiles and is just - nice - then I
>> leave a nice tip. If they are hung over, or sharp, or crash the
>> plates down in front of me, then I do not leave any tip.
>>
>
>Knowing that they are making minimum wage and expected to make it up it
>tips, you stiff them on the tip if you is something displeases you about
>the service?
>This is an example of the sort of thing that makes me question the
>tipping culture.

It's interesting that Lucretia has the right-wing view he Underpay
them and only if they please people enough, will they make enough to
live off.

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 21:02:28 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2018-12-08 8:47 p.m., wrote:
> >> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:23:21 -0500, Dave Smith
> >
> >>> There may not be a guarantee that they server would get, but you want to
> >>> be able to hold the purse strings like you would the strings of a puppet
> >>> to make sure they dance to your tune to get their tip. You want to be
> >>> able to withhold the tip and deny them a good wage if your server gets
> >>> stuck with a table of 15 that leads to the kitchen and wait staff having
> >>> to deal with their orders.
> >>>
> >> Er no. I go for a meal and if the server is pleasant, does not
> >> continually hover over me, but smiles and is just - nice - then I
> >> leave a nice tip. If they are hung over, or sharp, or crash the
> >> plates down in front of me, then I do not leave any tip.
> >>
> >
> >Knowing that they are making minimum wage and expected to make it up it
> >tips, you stiff them on the tip if you is something displeases you about
> >the service?
> >This is an example of the sort of thing that makes me question the
> >tipping culture.
>
> It's interesting that Lucretia has the right-wing view he Underpay
> them and only if they please people enough, will they make enough to
> live off.

Every job is like that. If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 21:02:28 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2018-12-08 8:47 p.m., wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:23:21 -0500, Dave Smith
>> >
>> >>> There may not be a guarantee that they server would get, but you want to
>> >>> be able to hold the purse strings like you would the strings of a puppet
>> >>> to make sure they dance to your tune to get their tip. You want to be
>> >>> able to withhold the tip and deny them a good wage if your server gets
>> >>> stuck with a table of 15 that leads to the kitchen and wait staff having
>> >>> to deal with their orders.
>> >>>
>> >> Er no. I go for a meal and if the server is pleasant, does not
>> >> continually hover over me, but smiles and is just - nice - then I
>> >> leave a nice tip. If they are hung over, or sharp, or crash the
>> >> plates down in front of me, then I do not leave any tip.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Knowing that they are making minimum wage and expected to make it up it
>> >tips, you stiff them on the tip if you is something displeases you about
>> >the service?
>> >This is an example of the sort of thing that makes me question the
>> >tipping culture.
>>
>> It's interesting that Lucretia has the right-wing view he Underpay
>> them and only if they please people enough, will they make enough to
>> live off.
>
>Every job is like that. If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

He tries to make it sound as if I want them to be ingratiating which
is far from true. At my local pub which is my lunchtime favourite
because of the excellent fish and chips and also the chowder, I pretty
much know all the girls now, it's not about me but them, how their
studies are going, whether they have exams coming in the next few
weeks etc. I see nothing wrong with friendliness and a big smile.

On 12/9/2018 8:30 AM, wrote:
> He tries to make it sound as if I want them to be ingratiating which
> is far from true. At my local pub which is my lunchtime favourite
> because of the excellent fish and chips and also the chowder, I pretty
> much know all the girls now, it's not about me but them, how their
> studies are going, whether they have exams coming in the next few
> weeks etc. I see nothing wrong with friendliness and a big smile.

Bruce seems to think you have a say in how much an employer pays their
wait staff!

Jill

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 09:38:38 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/9/2018 8:30 AM, wrote:
>> He tries to make it sound as if I want them to be ingratiating which
>> is far from true. At my local pub which is my lunchtime favourite
>> because of the excellent fish and chips and also the chowder, I pretty
>> much know all the girls now, it's not about me but them, how their
>> studies are going, whether they have exams coming in the next few
>> weeks etc. I see nothing wrong with friendliness and a big smile.
>
>Bruce seems to think you have a say in how much an employer pays their
>wait staff!
>
>Jill

He has three places around town and the girls at the one near here all
like him and say he is good and fair. I feel that is reflected in
their attitudes.

On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 09:30:10 -0400, wrote:

>On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 21:02:28 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 2018-12-08 8:47 p.m., wrote:
>>> >> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:23:21 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> >
>>> >>> There may not be a guarantee that they server would get, but you want to
>>> >>> be able to hold the purse strings like you would the strings of a puppet
>>> >>> to make sure they dance to your tune to get their tip. You want to be
>>> >>> able to withhold the tip and deny them a good wage if your server gets
>>> >>> stuck with a table of 15 that leads to the kitchen and wait staff having
>>> >>> to deal with their orders.
>>> >>>
>>> >> Er no. I go for a meal and if the server is pleasant, does not
>>> >> continually hover over me, but smiles and is just - nice - then I
>>> >> leave a nice tip. If they are hung over, or sharp, or crash the
>>> >> plates down in front of me, then I do not leave any tip.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Knowing that they are making minimum wage and expected to make it up it
>>> >tips, you stiff them on the tip if you is something displeases you about
>>> >the service?
>>> >This is an example of the sort of thing that makes me question the
>>> >tipping culture.
>>>
>>> It's interesting that Lucretia has the right-wing view he Underpay
>>> them and only if they please people enough, will they make enough to
>>> live off.
>>
>>Every job is like that. If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>He tries to make it sound as if I want them to be ingratiating which
>is far from true. At my local pub which is my lunchtime favourite
>because of the excellent fish and chips and also the chowder, I pretty
>much know all the girls now, it's not about me but them, how their
>studies are going, whether they have exams coming in the next few
>weeks etc. I see nothing wrong with friendliness and a big smile.

You're changing the subject.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 04:14:54 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 09:30:10 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 21:02:28 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On 2018-12-08 8:47 p.m., wrote:
>>>> >> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:23:21 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>> >
>>>> >>> There may not be a guarantee that they server would get, but you want to
>>>> >>> be able to hold the purse strings like you would the strings of a puppet
>>>> >>> to make sure they dance to your tune to get their tip. You want to be
>>>> >>> able to withhold the tip and deny them a good wage if your server gets
>>>> >>> stuck with a table of 15 that leads to the kitchen and wait staff having
>>>> >>> to deal with their orders.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> Er no. I go for a meal and if the server is pleasant, does not
>>>> >> continually hover over me, but smiles and is just - nice - then I
>>>> >> leave a nice tip. If they are hung over, or sharp, or crash the
>>>> >> plates down in front of me, then I do not leave any tip.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >Knowing that they are making minimum wage and expected to make it up it
>>>> >tips, you stiff them on the tip if you is something displeases you about
>>>> >the service?
>>>> >This is an example of the sort of thing that makes me question the
>>>> >tipping culture.
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting that Lucretia has the right-wing view he Underpay
>>>> them and only if they please people enough, will they make enough to
>>>> live off.
>>>
>>>Every job is like that. If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
>>>
>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>He tries to make it sound as if I want them to be ingratiating which
>>is far from true. At my local pub which is my lunchtime favourite
>>because of the excellent fish and chips and also the chowder, I pretty
>>much know all the girls now,

You're on intimate terms with all the server's bosoms... or their
female servers are like six years old (girls)?

>>it's not about me but them, how their
>>studies are going, whether they have exams coming in the next few
>>weeks etc. I see nothing wrong with friendliness and a big smile.
>
>You're changing the subject.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 21:02:28 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Knowing that they are making minimum wage and expected to make it up it
>> >tips, you stiff them on the tip if you is something displeases you about
>> >the service?
>> >This is an example of the sort of thing that makes me question the
>> >tipping culture.
>>
>> It's interesting that Lucretia has the right-wing view he Underpay
>> them and only if they please people enough, will they make enough to
>> live off.
>
>Every job is like that. If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.

That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary.

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:14:16 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>
> If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
>
> That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary.
>
She probably had to work her way up to get that decent base salary.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 12:59:49 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:14:16 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
>>
>> That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary.
>>
>She probably had to work her way up to get that decent base salary.

People should be able to make a living on a fulltime job.

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 3:57:50 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 12:59:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:14:16 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
> >>
> >> That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary.
> >>
> >She probably had to work her way up to get that decent base salary.
>
> People should be able to make a living on a fulltime job.
>
Of course they should. But if they have no schooling/training or have opted
for a liberal arts degree don't expect to start at $25 an hour job that
they have absolutely no qualifications for. This has been discussed here
more than once; people getting useless degrees and then wonder why they're
not making $100,000 a year when they apply for a job they have no clue how
to perform.

> wrote in message news:369e52f0-c6b6-42a0-845f-

> Of course they should. But if they have no schooling/training or have
> opted
> for a liberal arts degree don't expect to start at $25 an hour job that
> they have absolutely no qualifications for. This has been discussed here
> more than once; people getting useless degrees and then wonder why they're
> not making $100,000 a year when they apply for a job they have no clue how
> to perform.

Yep, people expect to start out at the top these days whether or not they
are qualified.

Cheri

On 12/9/2018 6:25 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 3:57:50 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 12:59:49 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:14:16 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
>>>>
>>>> That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary.
>>>>
>>> She probably had to work her way up to get that decent base salary.
>>
>> People should be able to make a living on a fulltime job.
>>
> Of course they should. But if they have no schooling/training or have opted
> for a liberal arts degree don't expect to start at $25 an hour job that
> they have absolutely no qualifications for. This has been discussed here
> more than once; people getting useless degrees and then wonder why they're
> not making $100,000 a year when they apply for a job they have no clue how
> to perform.
>
Darn! You mean a degree in Greek Philosophy is useless? <giggling>

Jill

On 12/9/2018 4:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 12:59:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:14:16 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
>>>
>>> That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary.
>>>
>> She probably had to work her way up to get that decent base salary.
>
> People should be able to make a living on a fulltime job.
>

I agree, but what is a living? Federal minimum wage here is low even
for a school kid afternoon job.
So, on a living wage, how should one be able to live? One bedroom
apartment or a 3000 sq. ft. house?

Also helps to pay attention in school to get one of the better paying
jobs.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 21:28:58 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/9/2018 4:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 12:59:49 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:14:16 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
>>>>
>>>> That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary.
>>>>
>>> She probably had to work her way up to get that decent base salary.
>>
>> People should be able to make a living on a fulltime job.
>>
>
>I agree, but what is a living? Federal minimum wage here is low even
>for a school kid afternoon job.
>So, on a living wage, how should one be able to live? One bedroom
>apartment or a 3000 sq. ft. house?
>
>Also helps to pay attention in school to get one of the better paying
>jobs.

If it's a modest fulltime job, you should be able to live a modest
live off it. They still put in 40 hours a week.