On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-11-21 10:34 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:16:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >>
> >> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
> >> location. It is not safe to eat.
> >>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
> >> or
> >> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
> >>
> >> Janet US
> >>
> >> ==
> >>
> >> Good warning, thank you! They say it is true of Romaine lettuce
> >> 'everywhere'!
> >>
> >> I guess that means here in UK too?
> >
> > sorry, just US and Canada
> >
>
> We get lettuce from the US, so when there is a problem with a product in
> the US we have a problem too.
>
> Having driven through the areas where a lot of American fruits and
> vegetables are grown I can understand how the get problems like this.
> The fields are huge. The farmers have trailers with rows of portable
> toilets and they park them at one end of the fields. The pickers are
> likely paid piece work, so there is no money made while they walk a half
> mile to use the toilet, and if they are infected with e coli they aren't
> going to have enough warning to get to the portapotty... so they squat
> and crap in the field.

In some areas, there's runoff from livestock operations, too. I believe
that's what caused the previous outbreak.

I probably will buy head lettuce the next time I shop, or Bibb or
leaf lettuce.

Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
local lettuce.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2018-11-21 9:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-11-21 10:34 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:16:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
>>>> location. It is not safe to eat.
>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
>>>> or
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
>>>>
>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> Good warning, thank you! They say it is true of Romaine lettuce
>>>> 'everywhere'!
>>>>
>>>> I guess that means here in UK too?
>>>
>>> sorry, just US and Canada
>>>
>>
>> We get lettuce from the US, so when there is a problem with a product in
>> the US we have a problem too.
>>
>> Having driven through the areas where a lot of American fruits and
>> vegetables are grown I can understand how the get problems like this.
>> The fields are huge. The farmers have trailers with rows of portable
>> toilets and they park them at one end of the fields. The pickers are
>> likely paid piece work, so there is no money made while they walk a half
>> mile to use the toilet, and if they are infected with e coli they aren't
>> going to have enough warning to get to the portapotty... so they squat
>> and crap in the field.
>
> In some areas, there's runoff from livestock operations, too. I believe
> that's what caused the previous outbreak.
>
> I probably will buy head lettuce the next time I shop, or Bibb or
> leaf lettuce.
>
> Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
> local lettuce.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!

graham wrote:

> On 2018-11-21 9:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2018-11-21 10:34 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:16:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
> >>>> location. It is not safe to eat.
> >>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
> >>>> or
> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
> >>>>
> >>>> Janet US
> >>>>
> >>>> ==
> >>>>
> >>>> Good warning, thank you! They say it is true of Romaine lettuce
> >>>> 'everywhere'!
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess that means here in UK too?
> >>>
> >>> sorry, just US and Canada
> >>>
> >>
> >> We get lettuce from the US, so when there is a problem with a product in
> >> the US we have a problem too.
> >>
> >> Having driven through the areas where a lot of American fruits and
> >> vegetables are grown I can understand how the get problems like this.
> >> The fields are huge. The farmers have trailers with rows of portable
> >> toilets and they park them at one end of the fields. The pickers are
> >> likely paid piece work, so there is no money made while they walk a half
> >> mile to use the toilet, and if they are infected with e coli they aren't
> >> going to have enough warning to get to the portapotty... so they squat
> >> and crap in the field.
> >
> > In some areas, there's runoff from livestock operations, too. I believe
> > that's what caused the previous outbreak.
> >
> > I probably will buy head lettuce the next time I shop, or Bibb or
> > leaf lettuce.
> >
> > Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
> > local lettuce.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!


A winter's veg diet of neeps, tatties, onions, and carrots would get *very* old *very* fast, graham...

--
Best
Greg

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), GM
> wrote:

>graham wrote:
>
>> On 2018-11-21 9:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2018-11-21 10:34 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:16:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
>> >>>> location. It is not safe to eat.
>> >>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Janet US
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ==
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Good warning, thank you! They say it is true of Romaine lettuce
>> >>>> 'everywhere'!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I guess that means here in UK too?
>> >>>
>> >>> sorry, just US and Canada
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> We get lettuce from the US, so when there is a problem with a product in
>> >> the US we have a problem too.
>> >>
>> >> Having driven through the areas where a lot of American fruits and
>> >> vegetables are grown I can understand how the get problems like this.
>> >> The fields are huge. The farmers have trailers with rows of portable
>> >> toilets and they park them at one end of the fields. The pickers are
>> >> likely paid piece work, so there is no money made while they walk a half
>> >> mile to use the toilet, and if they are infected with e coli they aren't
>> >> going to have enough warning to get to the portapotty... so they squat
>> >> and crap in the field.
>> >
>> > In some areas, there's runoff from livestock operations, too. I believe
>> > that's what caused the previous outbreak.
>> >
>> > I probably will buy head lettuce the next time I shop, or Bibb or
>> > leaf lettuce.
>> >
>> > Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
>> > local lettuce.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
>> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!
>
>
>A winter's veg diet of neeps, tatties, onions, and carrots would get *very* old *very* fast, graham...

You left out parsnips, at their finest in mid-winter.

wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), GM
> > wrote:
>
> >graham wrote:
> >
> >> On 2018-11-21 9:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >> On 2018-11-21 10:34 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:16:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> >> >>>> ...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
> >> >>>> location. It is not safe to eat.
> >> >>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
> >> >>>> or
> >> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Janet US
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ==
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Good warning, thank you! They say it is true of Romaine lettuce
> >> >>>> 'everywhere'!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I guess that means here in UK too?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> sorry, just US and Canada
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> We get lettuce from the US, so when there is a problem with a product in
> >> >> the US we have a problem too.
> >> >>
> >> >> Having driven through the areas where a lot of American fruits and
> >> >> vegetables are grown I can understand how the get problems like this.
> >> >> The fields are huge. The farmers have trailers with rows of portable
> >> >> toilets and they park them at one end of the fields. The pickers are
> >> >> likely paid piece work, so there is no money made while they walk a half
> >> >> mile to use the toilet, and if they are infected with e coli they aren't
> >> >> going to have enough warning to get to the portapotty... so they squat
> >> >> and crap in the field.
> >> >
> >> > In some areas, there's runoff from livestock operations, too. I believe
> >> > that's what caused the previous outbreak.
> >> >
> >> > I probably will buy head lettuce the next time I shop, or Bibb or
> >> > leaf lettuce.
> >> >
> >> > Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
> >> > local lettuce.
> >> >
> >> > Cindy Hamilton
> >> >
> >> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
> >> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!
> >
> >
> >A winter's veg diet of neeps, tatties, onions, and carrots would get *very* old *very* fast, graham...
>
> You left out parsnips, at their finest in mid-winter.


Ah, I love me some parsnips...I will make them for Christmas!

--
Best
Greg

In article >,
says...
> >A winter's veg diet of neeps, tatties, onions, and carrots would get *very* old *very* fast, graham...
>
> You left out parsnips, at their finest in mid-winter.
>
and sprouts, cabbage, kale, leeks, jerusalem artichokes, purple
sprouting, broccoli, stored pumpkin, squash and marrows, kohlrabi
turnips and shallotts.

Janet UK

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), GM
> wrote:

>graham wrote:
>
>> On 2018-11-21 9:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2018-11-21 10:34 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:16:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
>> >>>> location. It is not safe to eat.
>> >>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Janet US
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ==
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Good warning, thank you! They say it is true of Romaine lettuce
>> >>>> 'everywhere'!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I guess that means here in UK too?
>> >>>
>> >>> sorry, just US and Canada
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> We get lettuce from the US, so when there is a problem with a product in
>> >> the US we have a problem too.
>> >>
>> >> Having driven through the areas where a lot of American fruits and
>> >> vegetables are grown I can understand how the get problems like this.
>> >> The fields are huge. The farmers have trailers with rows of portable
>> >> toilets and they park them at one end of the fields. The pickers are
>> >> likely paid piece work, so there is no money made while they walk a half
>> >> mile to use the toilet, and if they are infected with e coli they aren't
>> >> going to have enough warning to get to the portapotty... so they squat
>> >> and crap in the field.
>> >
>> > In some areas, there's runoff from livestock operations, too. I believe
>> > that's what caused the previous outbreak.
>> >
>> > I probably will buy head lettuce the next time I shop, or Bibb or
>> > leaf lettuce.
>> >
>> > Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
>> > local lettuce.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
>> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!
>
>
>A winter's veg diet of neeps, tatties, onions, and carrots would get *very* old *very* fast, graham...

I used to grow my own romaine, guess I'll need to go back to that. In
this area there are many greenhouse farms... several acre size
greenhouses produce a lot. Lettuce is easy to grow.

On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> On 2018-11-21 9:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2018-11-21 10:34 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:16:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
> >>>> location. It is not safe to eat.
> >>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
> >>>> or
> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
> >>>>
> >>>> Janet US
> >>>>
> >>>> ==
> >>>>
> >>>> Good warning, thank you! They say it is true of Romaine lettuce
> >>>> 'everywhere'!
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess that means here in UK too?
> >>>
> >>> sorry, just US and Canada
> >>>
> >>
> >> We get lettuce from the US, so when there is a problem with a product in
> >> the US we have a problem too.
> >>
> >> Having driven through the areas where a lot of American fruits and
> >> vegetables are grown I can understand how the get problems like this.
> >> The fields are huge. The farmers have trailers with rows of portable
> >> toilets and they park them at one end of the fields. The pickers are
> >> likely paid piece work, so there is no money made while they walk a half
> >> mile to use the toilet, and if they are infected with e coli they aren't
> >> going to have enough warning to get to the portapotty... so they squat
> >> and crap in the field.
> >
> > In some areas, there's runoff from livestock operations, too. I believe
> > that's what caused the previous outbreak.
> >
> > I probably will buy head lettuce the next time I shop, or Bibb or
> > leaf lettuce.
> >
> > Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
> > local lettuce.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!

My husband won't eat any kind of winter vegetables. I'm not particularly
fond of them either. Salads are for year around.

What's the point of progress if we do the same things we did as children?

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:08:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-11-21 9:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > In some areas, there's runoff from livestock operations, too. I believe
>> > that's what caused the previous outbreak.
>> >
>> > I probably will buy head lettuce the next time I shop, or Bibb or
>> > leaf lettuce.
>> >
>> > Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
>> > local lettuce.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
>> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!
>
>My husband won't eat any kind of winter vegetables. I'm not particularly
>fond of them either. Salads are for year around.
>
>What's the point of progress if we do the same things we did as children?

So it's progress not to eat winter vegetables. I must admit I have
trouble seeing it.

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-11-21 9:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2018-11-21 10:34 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:16:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
>> >>>> location. It is not safe to eat.
>> >>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Janet US
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ==
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Good warning, thank you! They say it is true of Romaine lettuce
>> >>>> 'everywhere'!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I guess that means here in UK too?
>> >>>
>> >>> sorry, just US and Canada
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> We get lettuce from the US, so when there is a problem with a product
>> >> in
>> >> the US we have a problem too.
>> >>
>> >> Having driven through the areas where a lot of American fruits and
>> >> vegetables are grown I can understand how the get problems like this.
>> >> The fields are huge. The farmers have trailers with rows of portable
>> >> toilets and they park them at one end of the fields. The pickers are
>> >> likely paid piece work, so there is no money made while they walk a
>> >> half
>> >> mile to use the toilet, and if they are infected with e coli they
>> >> aren't
>> >> going to have enough warning to get to the portapotty... so they squat
>> >> and crap in the field.
>> >
>> > In some areas, there's runoff from livestock operations, too. I
>> > believe
>> > that's what caused the previous outbreak.
>> >
>> > I probably will buy head lettuce the next time I shop, or Bibb or
>> > leaf lettuce.
>> >
>> > Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
>> > local lettuce.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
>> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!
>
> My husband won't eat any kind of winter vegetables. I'm not particularly
> fond of them either. Salads are for year around.
>
> What's the point of progress if we do the same things we did as children?
>
> Cindy Hamilton


To enjoy the progess and also the same things that we enjoyed as children.
No reason you can't do both.

Cheri

On 2018-11-21 11:08 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>>>
>>> Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
>>> local lettuce.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
>> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!
>
> My husband won't eat any kind of winter vegetables. I'm not particularly
> fond of them either. Salads are for year around.
>
> What's the point of progress if we do the same things we did as children?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
If you call progress ruining the environment to provide out of season
produce to those in cool climates.

On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 1:54:36 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> On 2018-11-21 11:08 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>> Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
> >>> local lettuce.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>
> >> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
> >> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!
> >
> > My husband won't eat any kind of winter vegetables. I'm not particularly
> > fond of them either. Salads are for year around.
> >
> > What's the point of progress if we do the same things we did as children?
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> If you call progress ruining the environment to provide out of season
> produce to those in cool climates.

Yes, I do. It's progress for me to have what I want, when I want it.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 11:17:35 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 1:54:36 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-11-21 11:08 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
>> >>> local lettuce.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cindy Hamilton
>> >>>
>> >> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
>> >> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!
>> >
>> > My husband won't eat any kind of winter vegetables. I'm not particularly
>> > fond of them either. Salads are for year around.
>> >
>> > What's the point of progress if we do the same things we did as children?
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> If you call progress ruining the environment to provide out of season
>> produce to those in cool climates.
>
>Yes, I do. It's progress for me to have what I want, when I want it.

That sounds more like going back to when you were six.