On 28 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
(in >):

> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 8:12:08 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
> wrote:
> > On 28 Nov 2018, Ophelia wrote
> > (in article >):
> >
> > >
> > > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 5:33:56 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am at a loss to understand why you have produce cheaper vinegar! A
> > > > bottle
> > > > of Sarsen's vinegar.here costs around 70p which is a little more then half
> > > > of £1
> > >
> > > I was eating at my dad's house and my Swedish step-mom made some cucumbers
> > > in vinegar. She asked me where she could get acetic acid. She didn't care
> > > for the stuff in America because they had a peculiar taste and at 4.5%
> > > acidity, it was too weak. She was looking for a 24% or 12% concentration
> > > level. She said that you could only get 12% acetic acid in Sweden because
> > > at
> > > 24%, "accidents" would occur.
> > >
> > > Accidents indeed - that stuff is dangerous! In chemistry class, I once
> > > stuck
> > > my nose in a bottle of glacial acetic acid and that snapped my head back.
> > > It
> > > forever changed my approach to smelling unknown chemicals. A most excellent
> > > lesson!
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJXSLmYlvIQ
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Good grief! I take it you think Sarsen's is safe enough?
> >
> > I hate vinegar. We used to put dirty pennies in a bowl of it overnight.
> >
> > The next morning they were clean and shiny. I dont want that going on in
> > my digestive system.
>
> The hydrochloric acid in your stomach is stronger than vinegar.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Yes but the friendly bacteria in my stomach is designed to live with my
hydrochloric acid.

Im not sure it needs another slightly less strong acid to deal with.

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:38:06 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
> On 28 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
> (in >):
>
> > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 8:12:08 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
> > wrote:
> > > On 28 Nov 2018, Ophelia wrote
> > > (in article >):
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 5:33:56 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am at a loss to understand why you have produce cheaper vinegar! A
> > > > > bottle
> > > > > of Sarsen's vinegar.here costs around 70p which is a little more then half
> > > > > of £1
> > > >
> > > > I was eating at my dad's house and my Swedish step-mom made some cucumbers
> > > > in vinegar. She asked me where she could get acetic acid. She didn't care
> > > > for the stuff in America because they had a peculiar taste and at 4..5%
> > > > acidity, it was too weak. She was looking for a 24% or 12% concentration
> > > > level. She said that you could only get 12% acetic acid in Sweden because
> > > > at
> > > > 24%, "accidents" would occur.
> > > >
> > > > Accidents indeed - that stuff is dangerous! In chemistry class, I once
> > > > stuck
> > > > my nose in a bottle of glacial acetic acid and that snapped my head back.
> > > > It
> > > > forever changed my approach to smelling unknown chemicals. A most excellent
> > > > lesson!
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJXSLmYlvIQ
> > > >
> > > > ==
> > > >
> > > > Good grief! I take it you think Sarsen's is safe enough?
> > >
> > > I hate vinegar. We used to put dirty pennies in a bowl of it overnight.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:15:47 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:38:06 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
>> On 28 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
>> (in >):
>>
>> > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 8:12:08 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
>> > wrote:

>> > > I hate vinegar. We used to put dirty pennies in a bowl of it overnight.
>> > >
>> > > The next morning they were clean and shiny. I don’t want that going on in
>> > > my digestive system.
>> >
>> > The hydrochloric acid in your stomach is stronger than vinegar.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Yes but the friendly bacteria in my stomach is designed to live with my
>> hydrochloric acid.
>>
>> I’m not sure it needs another slightly less strong acid to deal with.
>
>Better avoid oranges and a whole raft of other fruit, then.

I've never had fruit that was as acidic as vinegar. Or smelled as bad.
Or tasted as bad. It's good for us, though. It cures, prevents and
fixed just about everything.

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 2:21:01 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:15:47 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:38:06 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
> >> On 28 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
> >> (in >):
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 8:12:08 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > > I hate vinegar. We used to put dirty pennies in a bowl of it overnight.
> >> > >
> >> > > The next morning they were clean and shiny. I dont want that going on in
> >> > > my digestive system.
> >> >
> >> > The hydrochloric acid in your stomach is stronger than vinegar.
> >> >
> >> > Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> Yes but the friendly bacteria in my stomach is designed to live with my
> >> hydrochloric acid.
> >>
> >> Im not sure it needs another slightly less strong acid to deal with.
> >
> >Better avoid oranges and a whole raft of other fruit, then.
>
> I've never had fruit that was as acidic as vinegar. Or smelled as bad.
> Or tasted as bad. It's good for us, though. It cures, prevents and
> fixed just about everything.

The pH of vinegar is 2-3. The pH of hydrochloric acid (stomach acid) is
3.01. The pH of oranges is 3-4.

Now, the concentration of each acid is what really matters, as we've seen
from the discussion of "acetic acid" versus vinegar.

It's still pointless to avoid vinegar because it's acidic.

Cindy Hamilton

On 29 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
(in >):

> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 2:21:01 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:15:47 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:38:06 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of
> > > Fruitcakes wrote:
> > > > On 28 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
> > > > (in >):
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 8:12:08 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of
> > > > > Fruitcakes
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > I hate vinegar. We used to put dirty pennies in a bowl of it overnight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The next morning they were clean and shiny. I dont want that going
> > > > > > on in
> > > > > > my digestive system.
> > > > >
> > > > > The hydrochloric acid in your stomach is stronger than vinegar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > > > Yes but the friendly bacteria in my stomach is designed to live with my
> > > > hydrochloric acid.
> > > >
> > > > Im not sure it needs another slightly less strong acid to deal with.
> > >
> > > Better avoid oranges and a whole raft of other fruit, then.
> >
> > I've never had fruit that was as acidic as vinegar. Or smelled as bad.
> > Or tasted as bad. It's good for us, though. It cures, prevents and
> > fixed just about everything.
>
> The pH of vinegar is 2-3. The pH of hydrochloric acid (stomach acid) is
> 3.01. The pH of oranges is 3-4.
>
> Now, the concentration of each acid is what really matters, as we've seen
> from the discussion of "acetic acid" versus vinegar.
>
> It's still pointless to avoid vinegar because it's acidic.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Ok, thanks.

Youve convinced me.

I will avoid it though, as I dont like the taste or smell of it or
anything pickled in it.

I have no idea why that is, but presumably it must come from forgotten
experiences as a toddler?

On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 7:10:25 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
> On 29 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
> (in >):
>
> > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 2:21:01 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:15:47 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:38:06 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of
> > > > Fruitcakes wrote:
> > > > > On 28 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
> > > > > (in >):
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 8:12:08 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of
> > > > > > Fruitcakes
> > > > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > I hate vinegar. We used to put dirty pennies in a bowl of it overnight.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The next morning they were clean and shiny. I dont want that going
> > > > > > > on in
> > > > > > > my digestive system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The hydrochloric acid in your stomach is stronger than vinegar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes but the friendly bacteria in my stomach is designed to live with my
> > > > > hydrochloric acid.
> > > > >
> > > > > Im not sure it needs another slightly less strong acid to deal with.
> > > >
> > > > Better avoid oranges and a whole raft of other fruit, then.
> > >
> > > I've never had fruit that was as acidic as vinegar. Or smelled as bad..
> > > Or tasted as bad. It's good for us, though. It cures, prevents and
> > > fixed just about everything.
> >
> > The pH of vinegar is 2-3. The pH of hydrochloric acid (stomach acid) is
> > 3.01. The pH of oranges is 3-4.
> >
> > Now, the concentration of each acid is what really matters, as we've seen
> > from the discussion of "acetic acid" versus vinegar.
> >
> > It's still pointless to avoid vinegar because it's acidic.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Ok, thanks.
>
> Youve convinced me.
>
> I will avoid it though, as I dont like the taste or smell of it or
> anything pickled in it.

Perfect. Everybody is entitled to their preferences.

> I have no idea why that is, but presumably it must come from forgotten
> experiences as a toddler?

Perhaps. I know that when I was about 8 years old, the only
way I would eat spinach or green beans was by dousing it
in vinegar.

I've always loved sour stuff.

Cindy Hamilton

On 29 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
(in >):

> On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 7:10:25 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
> wrote:
> > On 29 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
> > (in >):
> >
> > > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 2:21:01 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:15:47 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:38:06 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of
> > > > > Fruitcakes wrote:
> > > > > > On 28 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
> > > > > > (in >):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 8:12:08 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of
> > > > > > > Fruitcakes
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > I hate vinegar. We used to put dirty pennies in a bowl of it
> > > > > > > > overnight.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The next morning they were clean and shiny. I dont want that going
> > > > > > > > on in
> > > > > > > > my digestive system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The hydrochloric acid in your stomach is stronger than vinegar.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes but the friendly bacteria in my stomach is designed to live with my
> > > > > > hydrochloric acid.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Im not sure it needs another slightly less strong acid to deal with.
> > > > >
> > > > > Better avoid oranges and a whole raft of other fruit, then.
> > > >
> > > > I've never had fruit that was as acidic as vinegar. Or smelled as bad.
> > > > Or tasted as bad. It's good for us, though. It cures, prevents and
> > > > fixed just about everything.
> > >
> > > The pH of vinegar is 2-3. The pH of hydrochloric acid (stomach acid) is
> > > 3.01. The pH of oranges is 3-4.
> > >
> > > Now, the concentration of each acid is what really matters, as we've seen
> > > from the discussion of "acetic acid" versus vinegar.
> > >
> > > It's still pointless to avoid vinegar because it's acidic.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Ok, thanks.
> >
> > Youve convinced me.
> >
> > I will avoid it though, as I dont like the taste or smell of it or
> > anything pickled in it.
>
> Perfect. Everybody is entitled to their preferences.
>
> > I have no idea why that is, but presumably it must come from forgotten
> > experiences as a toddler?
>
> Perhaps. I know that when I was about 8 years old, the only
> way I would eat spinach or green beans was by dousing it
> in vinegar.
>
> I've always loved sour stuff.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Yes, I am interested in the eating habits of my youngest grandson. He
doesnt like bland things. He will not eat plain cooked potatoes, and is
not keen on fries; but if we add chilli sauce to them he loves it.

His dad had some hot Singapore noodles from the take-away a few weeks ago,
but didnt eat them all because he had to go out. He left them on the table
and when we were not looking the toddler (2 next week) had leaned right
across the table and was eating handfuls that he could grab.

I may not like certain sour things, but I have always like lemons. As a
youngster, my mother was amazed when I ate most of a lemon she had squeezed
the juice out of; and it became a regular treat for me to be given a lemon at
Christmas and eat it in the same way as most would do an orange.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:15:47 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:38:06 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
>> On 28 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
>> (in >):
>>
>> > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 8:12:08 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
>> > wrote:
>> > > On 28 Nov 2018, Ophelia wrote
>> > > (in article >):
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "dsi1" wrote in message
>> > > > ...
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 5:33:56 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I am at a loss to understand why you have produce cheaper vinegar! A
>> > > > > bottle
>> > > > > of Sarsen's vinegar.here costs around 70p which is a little more then half
>> > > > > of £1
>> > > >
>> > > > I was eating at my dad's house and my Swedish step-mom made some cucumbers
>> > > > in vinegar. She asked me where she could get acetic acid. She didn't care
>> > > > for the stuff in America because they had a peculiar taste and at 4.5%
>> > > > acidity, it was too weak. She was looking for a 24% or 12% concentration
>> > > > level. She said that you could only get 12% acetic acid in Sweden because
>> > > > at
>> > > > 24%, "accidents" would occur.
>> > > >
>> > > > Accidents indeed - that stuff is dangerous! In chemistry class, I once
>> > > > stuck
>> > > > my nose in a bottle of glacial acetic acid and that snapped my head back.
>> > > > It
>> > > > forever changed my approach to smelling unknown chemicals. A most excellent
>> > > > lesson!
>> > > >
>> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJXSLmYlvIQ
>> > > >
>> > > > ==
>> > > >
>> > > > Good grief! I take it you think Sarsen's is safe enough?
>> > >
>> > > I hate vinegar. We used to put dirty pennies in a bowl of it overnight.
>> > >
>> > > The next morning they were clean and shiny. I don’t want that going on in
>> > > my digestive system.
>> >
>> > The hydrochloric acid in your stomach is stronger than vinegar.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Yes but the friendly bacteria in my stomach is designed to live with my
>> hydrochloric acid.
>>
>> I’m not sure it needs another slightly less strong acid to deal with.
>
>Better avoid oranges and a whole raft of other fruit, then.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I buy Heinz white vinegar in gallon jugs, 5%, works fine for me. I
mostly use vinegar for cleaning, for culinary use I mostly
use fresh squeezed lemon/lime juice. I much prefer citrus juice for
salad dressings.
Vinegar is far safer than bleach for disinfecting cutting boards... I
don't want to inhale chlorine fumes. I disinfect counter tops with
vinegar. Cholorine fumes are deadly to eyes and lungs.

wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:15:47 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:38:06 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
>>> On 28 Nov 2018, Cindy Hamilton wrote
>>> (in >):
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 8:12:08 AM UTC-5, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 28 Nov 2018, Ophelia wrote
>>>>> (in article >):
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dsi1" wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 5:33:56 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am at a loss to understand why you have produce cheaper vinegar! A
>>>>>>> bottle
>>>>>>> of Sarsen's vinegar.here costs around 70p which is a little more then half
>>>>>>> of £1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was eating at my dad's house and my Swedish step-mom made some cucumbers
>>>>>> in vinegar. She asked me where she could get acetic acid. She didn't care
>>>>>> for the stuff in America because they had a peculiar taste and at 4.5%
>>>>>> acidity, it was too weak. She was looking for a 24% or 12% concentration
>>>>>> level. She said that you could only get 12% acetic acid in Sweden because
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> 24%, "accidents" would occur.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Accidents indeed - that stuff is dangerous! In chemistry class, I once
>>>>>> stuck
>>>>>> my nose in a bottle of glacial acetic acid and that snapped my head back.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> forever changed my approach to smelling unknown chemicals. A most excellent
>>>>>> lesson!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJXSLmYlvIQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good grief! I take it you think Sarsen's is safe enough?
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate vinegar. We used to put dirty pennies in a bowl of it overnight.
>>>>>
>>>>> The next morning they were clean and shiny. I don’t want that going on in
>>>>> my digestive system.
>>>>
>>>> The hydrochloric acid in your stomach is stronger than vinegar.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Yes but the friendly bacteria in my stomach is designed to live with my
>>> hydrochloric acid.
>>>
>>> I’m not sure it needs another slightly less strong acid to deal with.
>>
>> Better avoid oranges and a whole raft of other fruit, then.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> I buy Heinz white vinegar in gallon jugs, 5%, works fine for me. I
> mostly use vinegar for cleaning, for culinary use I mostly
> use fresh squeezed lemon/lime juice. I much prefer citrus juice for
> salad dressings.
> Vinegar is far safer than bleach for disinfecting cutting boards... I
> don't want to inhale chlorine fumes. I disinfect counter tops with
> vinegar. Cholorine fumes are deadly to eyes and lungs.
>

Popeye, yoose should try mixing yoose bleach wit some ammonia. It makes
different fumes than just bleach, so's yoose wouldn't have dat problem.

Use Bo Peep brand ammonia ... it's better dan all others.