On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>I mentioned here that I had a big bag of pizza flour that I had never used.
>Oh, I checked and it was 12% protein. Today I used some and made some white
>bread.
>
>It was fine I don't often make white bread, we prefer a mix of white and
>wholemeal or other additions, but it was fine!!
>
>So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there for
>years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)

glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
on package.

On 11/1/2018 5:23 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:

>> So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there for
>> years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)

> glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
> on package.

My two flours (both King Arthur, bought recently) are "100% whole grain
(14%)" and "Bread Flour" (12.7%). The first has an expiry date of
"7-31-19". The other (bread) has an expiry date of "8-15-19".

nb

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 20:18:21 -0600, notbob > wrote:

>On 11/1/2018 5:23 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>
>>> So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there for
>>> years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)
>
>> glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
>> on package.
>
>My two flours (both King Arthur, bought recently) are "100% whole grain
>(14%)" and "Bread Flour" (12.7%). The first has an expiry date of
>"7-31-19". The other (bread) has an expiry date of "8-15-19".
>
>nb
>
I tried to correct my statement but you know once you hit send it is
gone. My statement does not apply to any flour other than white and
the remark about white flour is 'generally.' It is a 'common wisdom'
or used to be, found in baking and bread books. It may be that bread
now carries something similar to 'use by date' I've always gone by 2
years but then I am careful about airtight and cool and dark storage.
Janet US

On 11/1/2018 8:39 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> It is a 'common wisdom'
> or used to be, found in baking and bread books.

I should not be surprised. Flour --as we know it-- is "roll" milled.
That means the "germ" and the "bran" can be "sifted" out, leaving a pure
"endosperm" flour that has a much longer shelf life.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._nutrition.png

I remember my late mother buying pure "wheat germ" in a jar, as that was
all the rage in "healthy" circles, back in the day. Today, we are
enjoying more healthy foods cuz customers demand it. That, and
providers can charge more for it.

I was kinda surprised my KA whole wheat flour having such a long shelf
life. My last bag was almost half that time. It's the germ and the
bran that go bad. They go "rancid". So, 2 yrs for roll-milled APF is
not unbelievable.

BTW, -00- flour is the primary flour used by Italian pizza makers (and
recommended for home "pasta machines"). That is cuz the pizza ovens
they are baked in are closer to 800 deg F, than home ovens. So, I've
read.

nb

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>I mentioned here that I had a big bag of pizza flour that I had never used.
>Oh, I checked and it was 12% protein. Today I used some and made some
>white
>bread.
>
>It was fine I don't often make white bread, we prefer a mix of white and
>wholemeal or other additions, but it was fine!!
>
>So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there for
>years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)

glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
on package.

==


July 2011 ! Well there isn't anything wrong with this loaf so ...

Maybe I am just lucky Or perhaps the temps in my store are very good, or
because the bag had never been opened!

Anyway, I will be using this up as long as I can)

On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 07:45:31 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>I mentioned here that I had a big bag of pizza flour that I had never used.
>>Oh, I checked and it was 12% protein. Today I used some and made some
>>white
>>bread.
>>
>>It was fine I don't often make white bread, we prefer a mix of white and
>>wholemeal or other additions, but it was fine!!
>>
>>So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there for
>>years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)
>
>glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
>on package.
>
>==
>
>
>July 2011 ! Well there isn't anything wrong with this loaf so ...
>
>Maybe I am just lucky Or perhaps the temps in my store are very good, or
>because the bag had never been opened!
>
>Anyway, I will be using this up as long as I can)
>

That's my feeling. I'm glad you tried it so that we all know. Thanks
Janet US

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 07:45:31 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>I mentioned here that I had a big bag of pizza flour that I had never
>>used.
>>Oh, I checked and it was 12% protein. Today I used some and made some
>>white
>>bread.
>>
>>It was fine I don't often make white bread, we prefer a mix of white
>>and
>>wholemeal or other additions, but it was fine!!
>>
>>So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there for
>>years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)
>
>glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
>on package.
>
>==
>
>
>July 2011 ! Well there isn't anything wrong with this loaf so ...
>
>Maybe I am just lucky Or perhaps the temps in my store are very good, or
>because the bag had never been opened!
>
>Anyway, I will be using this up as long as I can)
>

That's my feeling. I'm glad you tried it so that we all know. Thanks
Janet US

==

Thanks for the encouragement

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 10:28:47 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >I mentioned here that I had a big bag of pizza flour that I had never used.
> >Oh, I checked and it was 12% protein. Today I used some and made some
> >white
> >bread.
> >
> >It was fine I don't often make white bread, we prefer a mix of white and
> >wholemeal or other additions, but it was fine!!
> >
> >So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there for
> >years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)
>
> glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
> on package.
>
> ==
>
>
> July 2011 ! Well there isn't anything wrong with this loaf so ...
>
> Maybe I am just lucky Or perhaps the temps in my store are very good, or
> because the bag had never been opened!
>
> Anyway, I will be using this up as long as I can)

That's pretty amazing. You must live in a land of magic. I too, live in a magical place but flour would go stale pretty quickly over here.

As it goes, even in a magical place there can be sadness. Here's what I found when I opened up my box from Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's pretty much an insult to fried chicken and the great state of Kentucky. In the history of fast foods, this was probably a low point. One piece was a wing and the other a breast. I can't say that I ever figured out which was which. Hee hee.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...tjvTefiIzibILy

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 10:28:47 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >I mentioned here that I had a big bag of pizza flour that I had never
> >used.
> >Oh, I checked and it was 12% protein. Today I used some and made some
> >white
> >bread.
> >
> >It was fine I don't often make white bread, we prefer a mix of white
> >and
> >wholemeal or other additions, but it was fine!!
> >
> >So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there
> >for
> >years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)
>
> glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
> on package.
>
> ==
>
>
> July 2011 ! Well there isn't anything wrong with this loaf so ...
>
> Maybe I am just lucky Or perhaps the temps in my store are very good,
> or
> because the bag had never been opened!
>
> Anyway, I will be using this up as long as I can)

That's pretty amazing. You must live in a land of magic. I too, live in a
magical place but flour would go stale pretty quickly over here.

As it goes, even in a magical place there can be sadness. Here's what I
found when I opened up my box from Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's pretty much
an insult to fried chicken and the great state of Kentucky. In the history
of fast foods, this was probably a low point. One piece was a wing and the
other a breast. I can't say that I ever figured out which was which. Hee
hee.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...tjvTefiIzibILy

===

Not something I've ever had, and I never will now I have seen that!!!

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 11:27:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 10:28:47 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I mentioned here that I had a big bag of pizza flour that I had never
> > >used.
> > >Oh, I checked and it was 12% protein. Today I used some and made some
> > >white
> > >bread.
> > >
> > >It was fine I don't often make white bread, we prefer a mix of white
> > >and
> > >wholemeal or other additions, but it was fine!!
> > >
> > >So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there
> > >for
> > >years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)
> >
> > glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
> > on package.
> >
> > ==
> >
> >
> > July 2011 ! Well there isn't anything wrong with this loaf so ...
> >
> > Maybe I am just lucky Or perhaps the temps in my store are very good,
> > or
> > because the bag had never been opened!
> >
> > Anyway, I will be using this up as long as I can)
>
> That's pretty amazing. You must live in a land of magic. I too, live in a
> magical place but flour would go stale pretty quickly over here.
>
> As it goes, even in a magical place there can be sadness. Here's what I
> found when I opened up my box from Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's pretty much
> an insult to fried chicken and the great state of Kentucky. In the history
> of fast foods, this was probably a low point. One piece was a wing and the
> other a breast. I can't say that I ever figured out which was which. Hee
> hee.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...tjvTefiIzibILy
>
> ===
>
> Not something I've ever had, and I never will now I have seen that!!!

When we were in the UK I was surprised at the large number of KFCs there. Most of them were not real KFCs. Instead, they were restaurants that liked and used the initials "KFC." One company was so proud that it cooked its chicken in a real kitchen so it called itself "Kitchen Fried Chicken." Yay! I love that! In Amerika, the KFC nazis would SS any company that dared do that.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...


> https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...tjvTefiIzibILy
>
> ===
>
> Not something I've ever had, and I never will now I have seen that!!!

When we were in the UK I was surprised at the large number of KFCs there.
Most of them were not real KFCs. Instead, they were restaurants that liked
and used the initials "KFC." One company was so proud that it cooked its
chicken in a real kitchen so it called itself "Kitchen Fried Chicken." Yay!
I love that! In Amerika, the KFC nazis would SS any company that dared do
that.

==

Yeah brave lot the Brits ;p I have only ever once gone into a fast food
place. A friend popped in to say he was passing through. He didn't have
enough time for me to cook so he suggested the local burger place. We went
and I asked for a filet of fish. I took ONE bite. It was full of gunk!!!

Never again!!

Btw we will be seeing the grands next week and I will cook Red Cooked Soy
Sauce Chicken. D usually likes it with cauli rice etc. What do you serve
with yours? ie (sides) ?

On 2018-11-04 6:05 AM, Pamela wrote:

>
> Sadly the UK's high streets are awash with fried chicken shacks run on a
> shoestring and buying in dubious cuts of chicken.
>
> None of their indiscriminate clientelle have ever tasted real Kentucky
> Fried Chicken, so will accept anything they get given.
>
I've eaten *REAL* KFC twice in my life and on both occasions suffered
with severe indigestion. There will be NO third time as a result!

graham wrote:
>
> I've eaten *REAL* KFC twice in my life and on both occasions suffered
> with severe indigestion. There will be NO third time as a result!

lol

Did you like the food though?
Simple mix of baking soda in water will fix your occasional
indigestion.

On 2018-11-04 10:18 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-11-04 6:05 AM, Pamela wrote:
>
>>
>> Sadly the UK's high streets are awash with fried chicken shacks run on a
>> shoestring and buying in dubious cuts of chicken.
>>
>> None of their indiscriminate clientelle have ever tasted real Kentucky
>> Fried Chicken, so will accept anything they get given.
>>
> I've eaten *REAL* KFC twice in my life and on both occasions suffered
> with severe indigestion. There will be NO third time as a result!

I remember my first few exposures to Kentucky Fried Chicken. It was
pretty good. When my wife and I were dating we once got take out, and it
was not good at all. I had it a couple times after that and it caused
gut problems. The last time I had it was close to 20 years ago, and I
just don't care to pay to go through that again.

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:14:22 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 10:28:47 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I mentioned here that I had a big bag of pizza flour that I had never used.
> > >Oh, I checked and it was 12% protein. Today I used some and made some
> > >white
> > >bread.
> > >
> > >It was fine I don't often make white bread, we prefer a mix of white and
> > >wholemeal or other additions, but it was fine!!
> > >
> > >So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there for
> > >years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)
> >
> > glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
> > on package.
> >
> > ==
> >
> >
> > July 2011 ! Well there isn't anything wrong with this loaf so ...
> >
> > Maybe I am just lucky Or perhaps the temps in my store are very good, or
> > because the bag had never been opened!
> >
> > Anyway, I will be using this up as long as I can)
>
> That's pretty amazing. You must live in a land of magic. I too, live in a magical place but flour would go stale pretty quickly over here.
>
> As it goes, even in a magical place there can be sadness. Here's what I found when I opened up my box from Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's pretty much an insult to fried chicken and the great state of Kentucky. In the history of fast foods, this was probably a low point. One piece was a wing and the other a breast. I can't say that I ever figured out which was which. Hee hee.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...tjvTefiIzibILy

Ah, the classic two-piece and a biscuit. The wing is on the right; you can
seen the bone sticking out of it.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:02:34 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:14:22 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 10:28:47 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:52:05 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I mentioned here that I had a big bag of pizza flour that I had never used.
> > > >Oh, I checked and it was 12% protein. Today I used some and made some
> > > >white
> > > >bread.
> > > >
> > > >It was fine I don't often make white bread, we prefer a mix of white and
> > > >wholemeal or other additions, but it was fine!!
> > > >
> > > >So, I will use that now until it is gone) It has been sitting there for
> > > >years, so I am very lucky that I can use it)
> > >
> > > glad to hear it. Usually flour is labeled good for 2 years from date
> > > on package.
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > >
> > > July 2011 ! Well there isn't anything wrong with this loaf so ...
> > >
> > > Maybe I am just lucky Or perhaps the temps in my store are very good, or
> > > because the bag had never been opened!
> > >
> > > Anyway, I will be using this up as long as I can)
> >
> > That's pretty amazing. You must live in a land of magic. I too, live in a magical place but flour would go stale pretty quickly over here.
> >
> > As it goes, even in a magical place there can be sadness. Here's what I found when I opened up my box from Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's pretty much an insult to fried chicken and the great state of Kentucky. In the history of fast foods, this was probably a low point. One piece was a wing and the other a breast. I can't say that I ever figured out which was which. Hee hee.
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...tjvTefiIzibILy
>
> Ah, the classic two-piece and a biscuit. The wing is on the right; you can
> seen the bone sticking out of it.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Are you saying that this was normal? That's interesting. It seemed a bit overpriced at 8 bucks.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 2:10:47 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:02:34 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:14:22 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > As it goes, even in a magical place there can be sadness. Here's what I found when I opened up my box from Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's pretty much an insult to fried chicken and the great state of Kentucky. In the history of fast foods, this was probably a low point. One piece was a wing and the other a breast. I can't say that I ever figured out which was which. Hee hee.
> > >
> > > https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...tjvTefiIzibILy
> >
> > Ah, the classic two-piece and a biscuit. The wing is on the right; you can
> > seen the bone sticking out of it.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Are you saying that this was normal? That's interesting. It seemed a bit overpriced at 8 bucks.

I have no idea what's normal at KFC. This is my go-to chicken joint:
<https://www.grubhub.com/restaurant/marys-fabulous-chicken-3220-packard-st-ann-arbor/716508>

A breast and a wing with a dinner roll is $4.19.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 10:29:48 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I have no idea what's normal at KFC. This is my go-to chicken joint:
> <https://www.grubhub.com/restaurant/marys-fabulous-chicken-3220-packard-st-ann-arbor/716508>
>
> A breast and a wing with a dinner roll is $4.19.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I can't say what's normal at KFC either. I ain't never seen chicken pieces like that and I hope never to meet up with those pieces ever again. The good news is that things can only get better - or can it?