On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:04:04 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 03:38:16 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:04:45 AM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 00:59:54 -0500, Sqwertz >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 07:10:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:39:40 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> >> >>> In article >, lid
> >> >>> says...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:42:34 -0700 (PDT), Silvar Beitel wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> > I suspect you are right. The comments in that thread were interesting,
> >> >>>> > too. I will have to experiment (which, given the rate at which I make
> >> >>>> > bread and the dimensions of the art, will probably take the rest of
> >> >>>> > my life. :-) )
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> It's hard to imagine that bread, wine, and cheese were some of the
> >> >>>> first Universal Foods discovered/invented.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The first universal foods were leaves, fruit and berries, nuts, meat,
> >> >>> fish and milk.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Bread, wine and cheese came much later, after nomadic hunter-gatherers
> >> >>> got into the residential property market and turned into herdsmen,
> >> >>> seed-sowers and farmers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Janet UK
> >> >>
> >> >> Perhaps cheese was discovered by the hunter-gatherers. Isn't the myth
> >> >> that one of them put surplus milk in a bag made from an animal's stomach,
> >> >> and the jiggling as he walked along mixed it with the natural rennet and
> >> >> turned it into cheese?
> >> >
> >> >That's one of the legends. But cheese, wine (or other alcohol), and
> >> >bread were developed independently on different continents without
> >> >the knowledge of other continents. But not all continents had all
> >> >3, such as native North Americans not having cheese, that I know of.
> >> >
> >> >-sw
> >>
> >> I thought that was the story for yogurt
> >
> >Yogurt doesn't require rennet. You can put milk in a clay pot and end
> >up with yogurt (if you're lucky).
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> Isn't rennet present in stomach lining of animals?

Yes, that's correct. If you put milk in an animal's stomach you get
cheese, not yogurt. Yogurt is produced by bacterial action. Rennet
is an enzyme that works by purely chemical means.

Of course if you used an actual stomach, you might get both happening
at once.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:04:04 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 03:38:16 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:04:45 AM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 00:59:54 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 07:10:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:39:40 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>> >> >>> In article >, lid
>> >> >>> says...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:42:34 -0700 (PDT), Silvar Beitel wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> > I suspect you are right. The comments in that thread were interesting,
>> >> >>>> > too. I will have to experiment (which, given the rate at which I make
>> >> >>>> > bread and the dimensions of the art, will probably take the rest of
>> >> >>>> > my life. :-) )
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> It's hard to imagine that bread, wine, and cheese were some of the
>> >> >>>> first Universal Foods discovered/invented.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The first universal foods were leaves, fruit and berries, nuts, meat,
>> >> >>> fish and milk.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Bread, wine and cheese came much later, after nomadic hunter-gatherers
>> >> >>> got into the residential property market and turned into herdsmen,
>> >> >>> seed-sowers and farmers.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Janet UK
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Perhaps cheese was discovered by the hunter-gatherers. Isn't the myth
>> >> >> that one of them put surplus milk in a bag made from an animal's stomach,
>> >> >> and the jiggling as he walked along mixed it with the natural rennet and
>> >> >> turned it into cheese?
>> >> >
>> >> >That's one of the legends. But cheese, wine (or other alcohol), and
>> >> >bread were developed independently on different continents without
>> >> >the knowledge of other continents. But not all continents had all
>> >> >3, such as native North Americans not having cheese, that I know of.
>> >> >
>> >> >-sw
>> >>
>> >> I thought that was the story for yogurt
>> >
>> >Yogurt doesn't require rennet. You can put milk in a clay pot and end
>> >up with yogurt (if you're lucky).
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Isn't rennet present in stomach lining of animals?
>
>Yes, that's correct. If you put milk in an animal's stomach you get
>cheese, not yogurt. Yogurt is produced by bacterial action. Rennet
>is an enzyme that works by purely chemical means.
>
>Of course if you used an actual stomach, you might get both happening
>at once.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

whatever and however, I am glad it happened.
Janet US

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:22:59 PM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
....
> >Yes, that's correct. If you put milk in an animal's stomach you get
> >cheese, not yogurt. Yogurt is produced by bacterial action. Rennet
> >is an enzyme that works by purely chemical means.

Actually a mix of gross enzymes from "ruminant" mammals!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rennet


> >Of course if you used an actual stomach, you might get both happening
> >at once.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> whatever and however, I am glad it happened.
> Janet US

GROSS!! No WONDER Vegans do not eat cheeses! Milk treated with the stomach enzymes of grazing animals? GROSS!!!

How come cheese TASTES so GOOD?

John Kuthe...

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:40:50 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:22:59 PM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> ...
> > >Yes, that's correct. If you put milk in an animal's stomach you get
> > >cheese, not yogurt. Yogurt is produced by bacterial action. Rennet
> > >is an enzyme that works by purely chemical means.
>
> Actually a mix of gross enzymes from "ruminant" mammals!!!
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rennet
>
>
> > >Of course if you used an actual stomach, you might get both happening
> > >at once.
> > >
> > >Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > whatever and however, I am glad it happened.
> > Janet US
>
> GROSS!! No WONDER Vegans do not eat cheeses! Milk treated with the stomach enzymes of grazing animals? GROSS!!!
>
> How come cheese TASTES so GOOD?
>
> John Kuthe...

As I recall, rennet is from the stomach lining of calfs. Poor baby cows!

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:40:50 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:22:59 PM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> ...
> > >Yes, that's correct. If you put milk in an animal's stomach you get
> > >cheese, not yogurt. Yogurt is produced by bacterial action. Rennet
> > >is an enzyme that works by purely chemical means.
>
> Actually a mix of gross enzymes from "ruminant" mammals!!!
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rennet
>
>
> > >Of course if you used an actual stomach, you might get both happening
> > >at once.
> > >
> > >Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > whatever and however, I am glad it happened.
> > Janet US
>
> GROSS!! No WONDER Vegans do not eat cheeses! Milk treated with the stomach enzymes of grazing animals? GROSS!!!

There is synthetic rennet nowadays, but vegans won't use milk in any case.

>
> How come cheese TASTES so GOOD?

Salt. And bacterial action during aging.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:04:04 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> Isn't rennet present in stomach lining of animals?
>
> Yes, that's correct. If you put milk in an animal's stomach you get
> cheese, not yogurt. Yogurt is produced by bacterial action. Rennet
> is an enzyme that works by purely chemical means.
>
> Of course if you used an actual stomach, you might get both happening
> at once.

The stomach digests the cheese and leaves you with poo. Which they
then purposely expose to fungus, mold and bacteria and leave it to
rot. And presto! You have a blob of moldy poo which tastes pretty
damned good!

Whcih is why I say it's kinda incredible that this is one of the
first manufactured foods known to mankind.

And then came Smokehouse almonds.... On sale at Walgreens for
$5.99/19.2oz bag. I really need to move this bag away from my
computer...

-sw

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:11:31 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:04:04 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >
> >> Isn't rennet present in stomach lining of animals?
> >
> > Yes, that's correct. If you put milk in an animal's stomach you get
> > cheese, not yogurt. Yogurt is produced by bacterial action. Rennet
> > is an enzyme that works by purely chemical means.
> >
> > Of course if you used an actual stomach, you might get both happening
> > at once.
>
> The stomach digests the cheese and leaves you with poo.
....

Your profound ignorance of basic human metabolic physiology didn't really surprise me, but are you really that uninformed for an adult?

John Kuthe...

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 19:15:28 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:11:31 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:04:04 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn't rennet present in stomach lining of animals?
>>>
>>> Yes, that's correct. If you put milk in an animal's stomach you get
>>> cheese, not yogurt. Yogurt is produced by bacterial action. Rennet
>>> is an enzyme that works by purely chemical means.
>>>
>>> Of course if you used an actual stomach, you might get both happening
>>> at once.
>>
>> The stomach digests the cheese and leaves you with poo.
> ...
>
> Your profound ignorance of basic human metabolic physiology didn't
> really surprise me, but are you really that uninformed for an
> adult?

I was using a little literary license, dumbass. You knew that. But
if you insist on the correct terminology because you're a "computer
engineer", the results of the second stage of digestion are
technically known as "puke".

So which sounds tastier to you: Moldy poo or moldy puke? Take your
pick, prick.

-sw

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:43:27 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 19:15:28 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:11:31 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> >> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:04:04 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Isn't rennet present in stomach lining of animals?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, that's correct. If you put milk in an animal's stomach you get
> >>> cheese, not yogurt. Yogurt is produced by bacterial action. Rennet
> >>> is an enzyme that works by purely chemical means.
> >>>
> >>> Of course if you used an actual stomach, you might get both happening
> >>> at once.
> >>
> >> The stomach digests the cheese and leaves you with poo.
> > ...
> >
> > Your profound ignorance of basic human metabolic physiology didn't
> > really surprise me, but are you really that uninformed for an
> > adult?
>
> I was using a little literary license, dumbass. You knew that.
> But if you insist on the correct terminology because you're a "computer
> engineer", the results of the second stage of digestion are
> technically known as "puke".

No, I took umbrage at your apparent ignorance because I got A's in A&P I and II and I KNOW the stomach does not produce poo!


> So which sounds tastier to you: Moldy poo or moldy puke? Take your
> pick, prick.
>
> -sw

Neither when you put them that way! ;-)

John Kuthe...

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:20:50 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:43:27 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 19:15:28 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:11:31 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>>> The stomach digests the cheese and leaves you with poo.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Your profound ignorance of basic human metabolic physiology didn't
>>> really surprise me, but are you really that uninformed for an
>>> adult?
>>
>> I was using a little literary license, dumbass. You knew that.
>> But if you insist on the correct terminology because you're a "computer
>> engineer", the results of the second stage of digestion are
>> technically known as "puke".
>
> No, I took umbrage at your apparent ignorance because I got A's in
> A&P I and II and I KNOW the stomach does not produce poo!

So now you know how many of us feel when you claim to be a computer
expert who knows more than we do.

Regardless, anybody who made it through high school knows that the
stomach doesn't produce poo. Your piddly nursing degree doesn't
make you special in that regard. You should have known that before
you even got to nursing school.

Sheesh <shaking head rolling eyes>

-sw