These caught my eye, for different reasons.

http://www.bostonherald.com/lifestyl...itchen_chopped

Namely, this Cuban-style recipe has more herbs and spices than you might expect for codfish balls.

And:

http://www.bostonherald.com/lifestyl..._peach_cobbler

(I never knew Aretha talked publicly about recipes!)



Lenona.

On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 12:43:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> These caught my eye, for different reasons.
>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/lifestyl...itchen_chopped
>
> Namely, this Cuban-style recipe has more herbs and spices than you might expect for codfish balls.

Looks like an outstanding version of (reconstituted dried fish) fish cakes.
Will try it. Half my ancestors and I would like, probably. :-)

> And:
>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/lifestyl..._peach_cobbler
>
> (I never knew Aretha talked publicly about recipes!)

I'm buried in *fresh* peaches as I type, so that recipe ain't
gonna happen, but I dearly loved Aretha and her singing and
miss her already.

--
Silvar Beitel

"heyjoe" wrote in message news
On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:16:08 -0700 (PDT), Silvar Beitel wrote:

> I'm buried in *fresh* peaches as I type, so that recipe ain't
> gonna happen

I should be so lucky. Early spring and late frost killed our local
peaches. But when I've got 'em, at least one fresh cobbler is
necessary.

This recipe has been down sized, as I would rather have two small, fresh
cobblers than one large one that hangs around for a couple of days (or
encourages us to eat more, larger portions than we should).


Peach Cobbler

Preheat oven to 375°F

2 large fresh peaches
1/4 to 1/2 C sugar (depends on ripeness of peaches and your taste)

Peel and slice peaches. Toss with sugar and set aside.

6 TBSP butter, melted

3/4 C all purpose flour
1-1/2 tsp baking powder
3/16 tsp salt
1/2 C + 1 TBSP sugar
dash nutmeg (optional)
1/2 C + 1TBSP milk

Pour melted butter into 8x8x2 baking dish.

Mix flour, baking powder, salt, sugar and nutmeg.
Stir in milk until just combined, to make a batter.
Pour batter over the melted butter. Do not stir.

Spoon peaches over top. Pour on remaining peach juice.

Bake at 375°F for about 45 minutes.

Note: I usually prep more peaches than 2 and add what looks right. The
rest get eaten as need.
===

Thanks very much. That looks very good and I have saved it

O.

Thanks for the cobbler recipe; mine is similar in ingredients, but the batter goes on top
the peaches in dollops.

In your recipe, does the batter then end up on top, like an "Impossible" dessert?

N.

On 2018-09-07 2:34 PM, l not -l wrote:
> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to thinking;
> I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is often called tunafish.
> I don't know of anything other than fish that is known as cod or tuna. No
> other fish I know are referred to by anything other than their specie name;
> no tilapiafish or salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things
> that I sometimes wonder about.
>
and why is the plural the same as the singular?

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to thinking;
>I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is often called tunafish.
>I don't know of anything other than fish that is known as cod or tuna. No
>other fish I know are referred to by anything other than their specie name;
>no tilapiafish or salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things
>that I sometimes wonder about.

What about monkfish?

Doris

On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 20:46:07 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
>
>>This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to thinking;
>>I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is often called tunafish.
>>I don't know of anything other than fish that is known as cod or tuna. No
>>other fish I know are referred to by anything other than their specie name;
>>no tilapiafish or salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things
>>that I sometimes wonder about.
>
>What about monkfish?

Otherwise it would be confusing if you said "we had a monk for dinner
yesterday".

7 Sep 2018, "l not -l" wrote:
>
>This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to thinking;
>I wonder why cod is often called codfish

Obviously to differenciate it from codpiece.

>and tuna is often called tunafish.

Fresh is called "tuna"... canned is called "tunafish".

wrote:
> 7 Sep 2018, "l not -l" wrote:
>>
>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to thinking;
>> I wonder why cod is often called codfish
>
> Obviously to differenciate it from codpiece.
>
>> and tuna is often called tunafish.
>
> Fresh is called "tuna"... canned is called "tunafish".
>

Popeye, I bet yoose have pulled off lots of cod pieces, and eaten lots
of cods too.

Yoose brother taught yoose well.

"l not -l" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 8-Sep-2018, wrote:
>
>> On 9/8/2018 9:26 AM, l not -l wrote:
>> > On 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>> >>
>> >>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>> >>>> thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>> >>>> often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>> >>>> that is known as cod or tuna. No other fish I know are referred
>> >>>> to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>> >>>> salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things that I
>> >>>> sometimes wonder about.
>> >>>
>> >>> What about monkfish?
>> >>>
>> >>> Doris
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> > I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and
>> > not
>> > the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my defense, I have
>> > never
>> > had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never
>> > eaten
>> > catfish.
>> >
>> Wait a minute... what? You've never eaten catfish? I *know* I've never
>> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>
> That is correct; I grew up in a family that was against most fish and
> rabidly against catfish. The only fish (as food, we did have goldfish) my
> father would allow in our home was ocean perch; I have no idea why that
> fish
> was acceptable to him and not others. From birth, the only things I ever
> heard about catfish were negative and disgusting; so, I grew up thinking
> catfish are disgusting. In a world where there are so many fish varieties
> that weren't so maligned, I just never found a need to get over my catfish
> aversion. Why eat catfish when cod and salmon are readily available?

I had a really bad experience with catfish once, It was caught in the
Sacramento River by Rio Vista CA and when cleaning it, the worst odor I have
ever smelled came out of it, never ate it again, never purposely fished for
them again.

Cheri

On 9/8/2018 11:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "l not -l" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> On* 8-Sep-2018,* wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/8/2018 9:26 AM, l not -l wrote:
>>> > On* 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>>> >>>> thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>>> >>>> often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>>> >>>> that is known as cod or tuna.* No other fish I know are referred
>>> >>>> to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>>> >>>> salmonfish or whatever.** Just one of those odd things that I
>>> >>>> sometimes wonder about.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What about monkfish?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Doris
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> > I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and
>>> > not
>>> > the obvious oversight on my part - catfish.* In my defense, I have
>>> > never
>>> > had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never
>>> > eaten
>>> > catfish.
>>> >
>>> Wait a minute... what?* You've never eaten catfish?* I *know* I've never
>>> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>>
>> That is correct; I grew up in a family that was against most fish and
>> rabidly against catfish.* The only fish (as food, we did have
>> goldfish) my
>> father would allow in our home was ocean perch; I have no idea why
>> that fish
>> was acceptable to him and not others.* From birth, the only things I ever
>> heard about catfish were negative and disgusting; so, I grew up thinking
>> catfish are disgusting.* In a world where there are so many fish
>> varieties
>> that weren't so maligned, I just never found a need to get over my
>> catfish
>> aversion.* Why eat catfish when cod and salmon are readily available?
>
> I had a really bad experience with catfish once, It was caught in the
> Sacramento River by Rio Vista CA and when cleaning it, the worst odor I
> have ever smelled came out of it, never ate it again, never purposely
> fished for them again.
>
> Cheri

That sounds horrific, Cheri! But... I don't know how many people here
are actually talking about catching fresh catfish from a river.

I buy mine in fillets at the grocery store. LOL They're farmed in fresh
water.

I saw lots of catfish farms while driving out in the country in
Tennessee. It's interesting to drive around and see things. I was on
my way to Shiloh National Park/Battleground and looked at the
agricultural stuff along the highway. Fresh water catfish farms.
Soybean fields, cotton, rice. Barns, stables, cows, horses. Fun stuff!
There is really nothing else to look at on that long stretch of road.
The scenery was nice and I took it all in.

Fresh water catfish is not at all like pulling some gross fish out of a
river. But hey, I'm not trying to convince you. And I completely
understand your reluctance to ever try it again. I'm just saying I
never had a bad piece of catfish. The catfish I eat are fresh water farmed.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/8/2018 11:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> On 8-Sep-2018, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/8/2018 9:26 AM, l not -l wrote:
>>>> > On 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>>>> >>>> thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>>>> >>>> often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>>>> >>>> that is known as cod or tuna. No other fish I know are referred
>>>> >>>> to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>>>> >>>> salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things that I
>>>> >>>> sometimes wonder about.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What about monkfish?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Doris
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> > I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and
>>>> > not
>>>> > the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my defense, I have
>>>> > never
>>>> > had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never
>>>> > eaten
>>>> > catfish.
>>>> >
>>>> Wait a minute... what? You've never eaten catfish? I *know* I've never
>>>> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>>>
>>> That is correct; I grew up in a family that was against most fish and
>>> rabidly against catfish. The only fish (as food, we did have goldfish)
>>> my
>>> father would allow in our home was ocean perch; I have no idea why that
>>> fish
>>> was acceptable to him and not others. From birth, the only things I ever
>>> heard about catfish were negative and disgusting; so, I grew up thinking
>>> catfish are disgusting. In a world where there are so many fish
>>> varieties
>>> that weren't so maligned, I just never found a need to get over my
>>> catfish
>>> aversion. Why eat catfish when cod and salmon are readily available?
>>
>> I had a really bad experience with catfish once, It was caught in the
>> Sacramento River by Rio Vista CA and when cleaning it, the worst odor I
>> have ever smelled came out of it, never ate it again, never purposely
>> fished for them again.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> That sounds horrific, Cheri! But... I don't know how many people here are
> actually talking about catching fresh catfish from a river.
>
> I buy mine in fillets at the grocery store. LOL They're farmed in fresh
> water.
>
> I saw lots of catfish farms while driving out in the country in Tennessee.
> It's interesting to drive around and see things. I was on my way to
> Shiloh National Park/Battleground and looked at the agricultural stuff
> along the highway. Fresh water catfish farms. Soybean fields, cotton,
> rice. Barns, stables, cows, horses. Fun stuff! There is really nothing
> else to look at on that long stretch of road. The scenery was nice and I
> took it all in.
>
> Fresh water catfish is not at all like pulling some gross fish out of a
> river. But hey, I'm not trying to convince you. And I completely
> understand your reluctance to ever try it again. I'm just saying I never
> had a bad piece of catfish. The catfish I eat are fresh water farmed.
>
> Jill


I'm sure you're right about that, but we always used to catch catfish and
fry them up when we were kids, never coming across anything like that, but
this was as an adult. It was such a smell that I have never smelled before
or since, and the Sacramento River is not a river that I would ever eat
anything out of again. Actually, I don't eat any fish that is caught in the
rivers anymore. It's just off putting to me. I do buy farmed fish, and I
might try it from the supermarket one of these days.

Cheri

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"jmcquown" > wrote in message
> That sounds horrific, Cheri! But... I don't know how many people here are
> actually talking about catching fresh catfish from a river.
>
> I buy mine in fillets at the grocery store. LOL They're farmed in fresh
> water.
=>
> Jill


I'm sure you're right about that, but we always used to catch catfish and
fry them up when we were kids, never coming across anything like that, but
this was as an adult. It was such a smell that I have never smelled before
or since, and the Sacramento River is not a river that I would ever eat
anything out of again. Actually, I don't eat any fish that is caught in the
rivers anymore. It's just off putting to me. I do buy farmed fish, and I
might try it from the supermarket one of these days.

Cheri

===

I usually buy fresh fish but I keep some in the freezer for those days we
want it and I haven't been out to buy some fresh.

I like both

In article >, jmcquown
> wrote:

> On 9/8/2018 11:52 AM, Cheri wrote:

> > I had a really bad experience with catfish once, It was caught in the
> > Sacramento River by Rio Vista CA and when cleaning it, the worst odor I
> > have ever smelled came out of it, never ate it again, never purposely
> > fished for them again.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> That sounds horrific, Cheri! But... I don't know how many people here
> are actually talking about catching fresh catfish from a river.

Aw, cmon. I've caught, skinned and eaten loads of eight to ten inch
yellow cats and foot to fifteen inch long white cats from Nevada's
muddy reservoirs. S&P, roll them in cornmeal, and fry them for just a
few minutes.
That being said, I quit fishing for them forty years ago. Catfishing
all night while drinking beer is great exercise for a younger man. You
sit in a chair with a cooler full of beer and a Coleman lantern,
watching your pole propped with a forked stick and baited with a large
hook and a gob of worms. When the pole starts to jiggle, wait. When the
pole dips half way to the water,set the hook and reel in a catfish. You
used to be able to catch twenty a night easily.
Oh, and for Cheri, I've been to Rio Vista. I either rented a houseboat
there or waved at them while piloting it. Delta tides suck!
If anyone here wants to know how to skin and gut a catfish up to five
pounds, I'm the man to tell you how. First, buy pliers.

leo

"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, jmcquown
> > wrote:
>
>> On 9/8/2018 11:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
>> > I had a really bad experience with catfish once, It was caught in the
>> > Sacramento River by Rio Vista CA and when cleaning it, the worst odor I
>> > have ever smelled came out of it, never ate it again, never purposely
>> > fished for them again.
>> >
>> > Cheri
>>
>> That sounds horrific, Cheri! But... I don't know how many people here
>> are actually talking about catching fresh catfish from a river.
>
> Aw, cmon. I've caught, skinned and eaten loads of eight to ten inch
> yellow cats and foot to fifteen inch long white cats from Nevada's
> muddy reservoirs. S&P, roll them in cornmeal, and fry them for just a
> few minutes.
> That being said, I quit fishing for them forty years ago. Catfishing
> all night while drinking beer is great exercise for a younger man. You
> sit in a chair with a cooler full of beer and a Coleman lantern,
> watching your pole propped with a forked stick and baited with a large
> hook and a gob of worms. When the pole starts to jiggle, wait. When the
> pole dips half way to the water,set the hook and reel in a catfish. You
> used to be able to catch twenty a night easily.
> Oh, and for Cheri, I've been to Rio Vista. I either rented a houseboat
> there or waved at them while piloting it. Delta tides suck!
> If anyone here wants to know how to skin and gut a catfish up to five
> pounds, I'm the man to tell you how. First, buy pliers.
>
> leo


I lived there for 15 years, we fished a lot from the banks off River Road at
night, your fishing experience with the beer and the Coleman lantern brings
back memories, sounds about right for most of us then, except we used clams
for bait mostly. LOL

Cheri

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 6:14:50 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> Aw, cmon. I've caught, skinned and eaten loads of eight to ten inch
> yellow cats and foot to fifteen inch long white cats from Nevada's
> muddy reservoirs. S&P, roll them in cornmeal, and fry them for just a
> few minutes.
> That being said, I quit fishing for them forty years ago. Catfishing
> all night while drinking beer is great exercise for a younger man. You
> sit in a chair with a cooler full of beer and a Coleman lantern,
> watching your pole propped with a forked stick and baited with a large
> hook and a gob of worms. When the pole starts to jiggle, wait. When the
> pole dips half way to the water,set the hook and reel in a catfish. You
> used to be able to catch twenty a night easily.
> Oh, and for Cheri, I've been to Rio Vista. I either rented a houseboat
> there or waved at them while piloting it. Delta tides suck!
> If anyone here wants to know how to skin and gut a catfish up to five
> pounds, I'm the man to tell you how. First, buy pliers.
>
> leo

I've skinned and cut-up big catfish too. Those things produce some beautiful meat with a wonderful texture. Too bad the taste makes me retch. Some people perceive that pond scum taste differently but to me, it brings waves of memory, association, and feeling in my guts.

A lot of people will tell you that tilapia doesn't have that taste but it certainly does. My kids will have no problem with eating tilapia in a restaurant. I take the opportunity to sample the flesh of the fish to see if the flavor has improved but no such luck. You're lucky if you can eat catfish without revulsion. It's like a superpower all y'alls have.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 6:14:50 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell
wrote:
>
> Aw, cmon. I've caught, skinned and eaten loads of eight to ten inch
> yellow cats and foot to fifteen inch long white cats from Nevada's
> muddy reservoirs. S&P, roll them in cornmeal, and fry them for just a
> few minutes.
> That being said, I quit fishing for them forty years ago. Catfishing
> all night while drinking beer is great exercise for a younger man. You
> sit in a chair with a cooler full of beer and a Coleman lantern,
> watching your pole propped with a forked stick and baited with a large
> hook and a gob of worms. When the pole starts to jiggle, wait. When the
> pole dips half way to the water,set the hook and reel in a catfish. You
> used to be able to catch twenty a night easily.
> Oh, and for Cheri, I've been to Rio Vista. I either rented a houseboat
> there or waved at them while piloting it. Delta tides suck!
> If anyone here wants to know how to skin and gut a catfish up to five
> pounds, I'm the man to tell you how. First, buy pliers.
>
> leo

I've skinned and cut-up big catfish too. Those things produce some beautiful
meat with a wonderful texture. Too bad the taste makes me retch. Some people
perceive that pond scum taste differently but to me, it brings waves of
memory, association, and feeling in my guts.

A lot of people will tell you that tilapia doesn't have that taste but it
certainly does. My kids will have no problem with eating tilapia in a
restaurant. I take the opportunity to sample the flesh of the fish to see if
the flavor has improved but no such luck. You're lucky if you can eat
catfish without revulsion. It's like a superpower all y'alls have.

======

I don't like Tilapia either, but catfish is just repulsive to me now.

Cheri

On 9/8/2018 11:46 AM, l not -l wrote:
> On 8-Sep-2018, wrote:
>
>> On 9/8/2018 9:26 AM, l not -l wrote:
>>> On 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>>>>>> thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>>>>>> often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>>>>>> that is known as cod or tuna. No other fish I know are referred
>>>>>> to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>>>>>> salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things that I
>>>>>> sometimes wonder about.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about monkfish?
>>>>>
>>>>> Doris
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and
>>> not
>>> the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my defense, I have never
>>> had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never
>>> eaten
>>> catfish.
>>>
>> Wait a minute... what? You've never eaten catfish? I *know* I've never
>> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>
> That is correct; I grew up in a family that was against most fish and
> rabidly against catfish. The only fish (as food, we did have goldfish) my
> father would allow in our home was ocean perch; I have no idea why that fish
> was acceptable to him and not others. From birth, the only things I ever
> heard about catfish were negative and disgusting; so, I grew up thinking
> catfish are disgusting. In a world where there are so many fish varieties
> that weren't so maligned, I just never found a need to get over my catfish
> aversion. Why eat catfish when cod and salmon are readily available?
>

Catfish are not a pretty fish, granted. Hey, I didn't grow up eating
catfish, either, even though we lived in Memphis for a lot of years. My
parents were from Ohio. LOL

I don't have an aversion to it. It's a mild, white fish. Farm raised
in fresh water. Not like an image of Tom Sawyer fishing on the banks of
the Mississippi.

I love cod. Have to say I'm not a huge fan of salmon (except the canned
variety for making salmon patties - that's something I grew up with.)
When it comes to fresh salmon I can take it or leave it... unless we're
talking thinly sliced smoked salmon (aka lox!). Love that stuff!

I did grow up eating ocean perch, but it was always from frozen. Mom
would buy a package of frozen perch at the Commissary. (Dad was
military, she always shopped at the Commissary.) I remember her letting
it thaw on the kitchen counter and she had to separate the very thin
fillets from this frozen block. Not really an attractive introduction
to fish. IIRC, it was kind of bland, I think she baked it. I've said
before, my mother was not an adventurous or even enthusiastic cook. To
her it was a necessary chore.

I hesitate to think what my cooking would be like if I'd never ventured
away from her repertoire. Minute rice, instant mashed potato flakes,
frozen "family size" meat & gravy entrees. And bland, baked perch. LOL

I discovered catfish and many other fish and seafood all by myself. Once
I was out on my own I started watching cooking shows and reading
cookbooks. Trying all kinds of different foods and recipes. My mother
once asked me where I got my "cooking gene".

At any rate, catfish is a mild, white, flaky fish. Nothing to be afraid
of.

Jill