These caught my eye, for different reasons.

http://www.bostonherald.com/lifestyl...itchen_chopped

Namely, this Cuban-style recipe has more herbs and spices than you might expect for codfish balls.

And:

http://www.bostonherald.com/lifestyl..._peach_cobbler

(I never knew Aretha talked publicly about recipes!)



Lenona.

On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 12:43:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> These caught my eye, for different reasons.
>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/lifestyl...itchen_chopped
>
> Namely, this Cuban-style recipe has more herbs and spices than you might expect for codfish balls.

Looks like an outstanding version of (reconstituted dried fish) fish cakes.
Will try it. Half my ancestors and I would like, probably. :-)

> And:
>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/lifestyl..._peach_cobbler
>
> (I never knew Aretha talked publicly about recipes!)

I'm buried in *fresh* peaches as I type, so that recipe ain't
gonna happen, but I dearly loved Aretha and her singing and
miss her already.

--
Silvar Beitel

"heyjoe" wrote in message news
On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:16:08 -0700 (PDT), Silvar Beitel wrote:

> I'm buried in *fresh* peaches as I type, so that recipe ain't
> gonna happen

I should be so lucky. Early spring and late frost killed our local
peaches. But when I've got 'em, at least one fresh cobbler is
necessary.

This recipe has been down sized, as I would rather have two small, fresh
cobblers than one large one that hangs around for a couple of days (or
encourages us to eat more, larger portions than we should).


Peach Cobbler

Preheat oven to 375°F

2 large fresh peaches
1/4 to 1/2 C sugar (depends on ripeness of peaches and your taste)

Peel and slice peaches. Toss with sugar and set aside.

6 TBSP butter, melted

3/4 C all purpose flour
1-1/2 tsp baking powder
3/16 tsp salt
1/2 C + 1 TBSP sugar
dash nutmeg (optional)
1/2 C + 1TBSP milk

Pour melted butter into 8x8x2 baking dish.

Mix flour, baking powder, salt, sugar and nutmeg.
Stir in milk until just combined, to make a batter.
Pour batter over the melted butter. Do not stir.

Spoon peaches over top. Pour on remaining peach juice.

Bake at 375°F for about 45 minutes.

Note: I usually prep more peaches than 2 and add what looks right. The
rest get eaten as need.
===

Thanks very much. That looks very good and I have saved it

O.

On 2018-09-07 2:34 PM, l not -l wrote:
> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to thinking;
> I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is often called tunafish.
> I don't know of anything other than fish that is known as cod or tuna. No
> other fish I know are referred to by anything other than their specie name;
> no tilapiafish or salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things
> that I sometimes wonder about.
>
and why is the plural the same as the singular?

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to thinking;
>I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is often called tunafish.
>I don't know of anything other than fish that is known as cod or tuna. No
>other fish I know are referred to by anything other than their specie name;
>no tilapiafish or salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things
>that I sometimes wonder about.

What about monkfish?

Doris

On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 20:46:07 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
>
>>This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to thinking;
>>I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is often called tunafish.
>>I don't know of anything other than fish that is known as cod or tuna. No
>>other fish I know are referred to by anything other than their specie name;
>>no tilapiafish or salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things
>>that I sometimes wonder about.
>
>What about monkfish?

Otherwise it would be confusing if you said "we had a monk for dinner
yesterday".

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 13:26:50 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>>
>> > On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>> >>thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>> >>often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>> >>that is known as cod or tuna. No other fish I know are referred
>> >>to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>> >>salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things that I
>> >>sometimes wonder about.
>> >
>> > What about monkfish?
>> >
>> > Doris
>> >
>>
>> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>>
>> --
>I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and not
>the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my defense, I have never
>had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never eaten
>catfish.

Goldfish, angelfish...

Doris

On 2018-09-08 10:01 AM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 13:26:50 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
>
>>
>> On 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...

>>>> What about monkfish?
>>>>
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>>>
>>> --
>> I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and not
>> the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my defense, I have never
>> had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never eaten
>> catfish.
>
> Goldfish, angelfish...
>


I have only seen monkfish available a few times. The first time was in
a short lived local fish store whose owner closed down and she
contracted to run the fish section of a newly opened grocery store. She
referred to it as "poor man's lobster", which I didn't really
understand because it wasn't much cheaper than lobster. It is a very
solid flesh and was quite tasty. The next time I saw it was in the form
of a whole fish, and they are among the most hideous looking sea creatures.

On 9/8/2018 9:26 AM, l not -l wrote:
> On 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>>
>>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>>>> thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>>>> often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>>>> that is known as cod or tuna. No other fish I know are referred
>>>> to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>>>> salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things that I
>>>> sometimes wonder about.
>>>
>>> What about monkfish?
>>>
>>> Doris
>>>
>>
>> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>>
>> --
> I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and not
> the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my defense, I have never
> had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never eaten
> catfish.
>
Wait a minute... what? You've never eaten catfish? I *know* I've never
eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.

Jill

On 2018-09-08 10:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> Wait a minute... what?Â* You've never eaten catfish?Â* I *know* I've never
> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>


I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for me. I have
eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.

On 9/8/2018 11:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-09-08 10:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Wait a minute... what?Â* You've never eaten catfish?Â* I *know* I've
>> never eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>>
>
>
> I have had catfish three or four times.Â* That was enough for me. I have
> eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.
>
I'm 99% sure I've never seen monkfish for sale. I love fish of all
kinds so I tend to spend some time perusing what is available at the
fish/seafood counter at the grocery store. Catfish? Yes, even though
it's not native to this area. Monkfish, never seen it. I'd try it if I
could find it!

Jill

On 2018-09-08 11:26 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/8/2018 11:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-09-08 10:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Wait a minute... what?Â* You've never eaten catfish?Â* I *know* I've
>>> never eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have had catfish three or four times.Â* That was enough for me. I
>> have eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.
>>
> I'm 99% sure I've never seen monkfish for sale.Â* I love fish of all
> kinds so I tend to spend some time perusing what is available at the
> fish/seafood counter at the grocery store.Â* Catfish?Â* Yes, even though
> it's not native to this area.Â* Monkfish, never seen it.Â* I'd try it if I
> could find it!
>

By all means, if you ever see it give it a try. It is a very firm fish
with a nice taste.

"l not -l" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 8-Sep-2018, wrote:
>
>> On 9/8/2018 9:26 AM, l not -l wrote:
>> > On 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>> >>
>> >>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>> >>>> thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>> >>>> often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>> >>>> that is known as cod or tuna. No other fish I know are referred
>> >>>> to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>> >>>> salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things that I
>> >>>> sometimes wonder about.
>> >>>
>> >>> What about monkfish?
>> >>>
>> >>> Doris
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> > I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and
>> > not
>> > the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my defense, I have
>> > never
>> > had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never
>> > eaten
>> > catfish.
>> >
>> Wait a minute... what? You've never eaten catfish? I *know* I've never
>> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>
> That is correct; I grew up in a family that was against most fish and
> rabidly against catfish. The only fish (as food, we did have goldfish) my
> father would allow in our home was ocean perch; I have no idea why that
> fish
> was acceptable to him and not others. From birth, the only things I ever
> heard about catfish were negative and disgusting; so, I grew up thinking
> catfish are disgusting. In a world where there are so many fish varieties
> that weren't so maligned, I just never found a need to get over my catfish
> aversion. Why eat catfish when cod and salmon are readily available?

I had a really bad experience with catfish once, It was caught in the
Sacramento River by Rio Vista CA and when cleaning it, the worst odor I have
ever smelled came out of it, never ate it again, never purposely fished for
them again.

Cheri

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-09-08 10:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > Wait a minute... what?Â* You've never eaten catfish?Â* I *know* I've never
> > eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
> >
>
>
> I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for me. I have
> eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.

Agreed. Catfish tastes like mud to me. Monkfish is good, although I've
found it tricky to cook.

Cindy Hamilton

On 9/8/2018 12:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-09-08 10:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Wait a minute... what?Â* You've never eaten catfish?Â* I *know* I've never
>>> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for me. I have
>> eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.
>
> Agreed. Catfish tastes like mud to me. Monkfish is good, although I've
> found it tricky to cook.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I don't understand the whole "muddy" thing when it comes to catfish. I
don't get it straight out of the Mississippi River.

Jill

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 12:55:55 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 9/8/2018 12:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2018-09-08 10:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wait a minute... what?Â* You've never eaten catfish?Â* I *know* I've never
> >>> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for me. I have
> >> eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.
> >
> > Agreed. Catfish tastes like mud to me. Monkfish is good, although I've
> > found it tricky to cook.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> I don't understand the whole "muddy" thing when it comes to catfish. I
> don't get it straight out of the Mississippi River.
>
> Jill

I never have either. Farmed catfish only.

All freshwater fish tastes a little muddy to me. Catfish is the worst.

Cindy Hamilton

On 9/8/2018 11:46 AM, l not -l wrote:
> On 8-Sep-2018, wrote:
>
>> On 9/8/2018 9:26 AM, l not -l wrote:
>>> On 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>>>>>> thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>>>>>> often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>>>>>> that is known as cod or tuna. No other fish I know are referred
>>>>>> to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>>>>>> salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things that I
>>>>>> sometimes wonder about.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about monkfish?
>>>>>
>>>>> Doris
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and
>>> not
>>> the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my defense, I have never
>>> had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never
>>> eaten
>>> catfish.
>>>
>> Wait a minute... what? You've never eaten catfish? I *know* I've never
>> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>
> That is correct; I grew up in a family that was against most fish and
> rabidly against catfish. The only fish (as food, we did have goldfish) my
> father would allow in our home was ocean perch; I have no idea why that fish
> was acceptable to him and not others. From birth, the only things I ever
> heard about catfish were negative and disgusting; so, I grew up thinking
> catfish are disgusting. In a world where there are so many fish varieties
> that weren't so maligned, I just never found a need to get over my catfish
> aversion. Why eat catfish when cod and salmon are readily available?
>

Catfish are not a pretty fish, granted. Hey, I didn't grow up eating
catfish, either, even though we lived in Memphis for a lot of years. My
parents were from Ohio. LOL

I don't have an aversion to it. It's a mild, white fish. Farm raised
in fresh water. Not like an image of Tom Sawyer fishing on the banks of
the Mississippi.

I love cod. Have to say I'm not a huge fan of salmon (except the canned
variety for making salmon patties - that's something I grew up with.)
When it comes to fresh salmon I can take it or leave it... unless we're
talking thinly sliced smoked salmon (aka lox!). Love that stuff!

I did grow up eating ocean perch, but it was always from frozen. Mom
would buy a package of frozen perch at the Commissary. (Dad was
military, she always shopped at the Commissary.) I remember her letting
it thaw on the kitchen counter and she had to separate the very thin
fillets from this frozen block. Not really an attractive introduction
to fish. IIRC, it was kind of bland, I think she baked it. I've said
before, my mother was not an adventurous or even enthusiastic cook. To
her it was a necessary chore.

I hesitate to think what my cooking would be like if I'd never ventured
away from her repertoire. Minute rice, instant mashed potato flakes,
frozen "family size" meat & gravy entrees. And bland, baked perch. LOL

I discovered catfish and many other fish and seafood all by myself. Once
I was out on my own I started watching cooking shows and reading
cookbooks. Trying all kinds of different foods and recipes. My mother
once asked me where I got my "cooking gene".

At any rate, catfish is a mild, white, flaky fish. Nothing to be afraid
of.

Jill

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-09-08 10:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > Wait a minute... what? You've never eaten catfish? I *know* I've never
> > eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
> >
>
>
> I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for me. I have
> eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.

Agreed. Catfish tastes like mud to me. Monkfish is good, although I've
found it tricky to cook.

Cindy Hamilton

=

Why is it tricky to cook? (I've never had any so I don't know)

On 9/8/2018 11:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "l not -l" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> On* 8-Sep-2018,* wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/8/2018 9:26 AM, l not -l wrote:
>>> > On* 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>>> >>>> thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>>> >>>> often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>>> >>>> that is known as cod or tuna.* No other fish I know are referred
>>> >>>> to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>>> >>>> salmonfish or whatever.** Just one of those odd things that I
>>> >>>> sometimes wonder about.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What about monkfish?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Doris
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> > I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and
>>> > not
>>> > the obvious oversight on my part - catfish.* In my defense, I have
>>> > never
>>> > had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never
>>> > eaten
>>> > catfish.
>>> >
>>> Wait a minute... what?* You've never eaten catfish?* I *know* I've never
>>> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>>
>> That is correct; I grew up in a family that was against most fish and
>> rabidly against catfish.* The only fish (as food, we did have
>> goldfish) my
>> father would allow in our home was ocean perch; I have no idea why
>> that fish
>> was acceptable to him and not others.* From birth, the only things I ever
>> heard about catfish were negative and disgusting; so, I grew up thinking
>> catfish are disgusting.* In a world where there are so many fish
>> varieties
>> that weren't so maligned, I just never found a need to get over my
>> catfish
>> aversion.* Why eat catfish when cod and salmon are readily available?
>
> I had a really bad experience with catfish once, It was caught in the
> Sacramento River by Rio Vista CA and when cleaning it, the worst odor I
> have ever smelled came out of it, never ate it again, never purposely
> fished for them again.
>
> Cheri

That sounds horrific, Cheri! But... I don't know how many people here
are actually talking about catching fresh catfish from a river.

I buy mine in fillets at the grocery store. LOL They're farmed in fresh
water.

I saw lots of catfish farms while driving out in the country in
Tennessee. It's interesting to drive around and see things. I was on
my way to Shiloh National Park/Battleground and looked at the
agricultural stuff along the highway. Fresh water catfish farms.
Soybean fields, cotton, rice. Barns, stables, cows, horses. Fun stuff!
There is really nothing else to look at on that long stretch of road.
The scenery was nice and I took it all in.

Fresh water catfish is not at all like pulling some gross fish out of a
river. But hey, I'm not trying to convince you. And I completely
understand your reluctance to ever try it again. I'm just saying I
never had a bad piece of catfish. The catfish I eat are fresh water farmed.

Jill

On 9/8/2018 1:52 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 09:55:41a, jmcquown told us...
>
>> On 9/8/2018 12:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-09-08 10:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait a minute... what?ÂÂ* You've never eaten catfish?ÂÂ* I *know*
>>>>> I've never eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for me.
>>>> I have eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than
>>>> catfish.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Catfish tastes like mud to me. Monkfish is good,
>>> although I've found it tricky to cook.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> I don't understand the whole "muddy" thing when it comes to
>> catfish. I don't get it straight out of the Mississippi River.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Even if you did, catfish from the Mississippi River is usually kept
> in freshwater tanks long enough to feed on things that clear out
> their system and they don't taste muddy. I have never experienced a
> muddy tasting catfish, not even the "channel cats" that people catch
> in streams and small local rivers.
>
I guess we're among the minority, Wayne. I've never detected a "muddy"
taste in farmed fresh water catfish. Or maybe it's just something about
catfish from Memphis or thereabouts.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/8/2018 11:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> On 8-Sep-2018, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/8/2018 9:26 AM, l not -l wrote:
>>>> > On 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>>>> >>>> thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>>>> >>>> often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>>>> >>>> that is known as cod or tuna. No other fish I know are referred
>>>> >>>> to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>>>> >>>> salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things that I
>>>> >>>> sometimes wonder about.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What about monkfish?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Doris
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> > I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and
>>>> > not
>>>> > the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my defense, I have
>>>> > never
>>>> > had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never
>>>> > eaten
>>>> > catfish.
>>>> >
>>>> Wait a minute... what? You've never eaten catfish? I *know* I've never
>>>> eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
>>>
>>> That is correct; I grew up in a family that was against most fish and
>>> rabidly against catfish. The only fish (as food, we did have goldfish)
>>> my
>>> father would allow in our home was ocean perch; I have no idea why that
>>> fish
>>> was acceptable to him and not others. From birth, the only things I ever
>>> heard about catfish were negative and disgusting; so, I grew up thinking
>>> catfish are disgusting. In a world where there are so many fish
>>> varieties
>>> that weren't so maligned, I just never found a need to get over my
>>> catfish
>>> aversion. Why eat catfish when cod and salmon are readily available?
>>
>> I had a really bad experience with catfish once, It was caught in the
>> Sacramento River by Rio Vista CA and when cleaning it, the worst odor I
>> have ever smelled came out of it, never ate it again, never purposely
>> fished for them again.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> That sounds horrific, Cheri! But... I don't know how many people here are
> actually talking about catching fresh catfish from a river.
>
> I buy mine in fillets at the grocery store. LOL They're farmed in fresh
> water.
>
> I saw lots of catfish farms while driving out in the country in Tennessee.
> It's interesting to drive around and see things. I was on my way to
> Shiloh National Park/Battleground and looked at the agricultural stuff
> along the highway. Fresh water catfish farms. Soybean fields, cotton,
> rice. Barns, stables, cows, horses. Fun stuff! There is really nothing
> else to look at on that long stretch of road. The scenery was nice and I
> took it all in.
>
> Fresh water catfish is not at all like pulling some gross fish out of a
> river. But hey, I'm not trying to convince you. And I completely
> understand your reluctance to ever try it again. I'm just saying I never
> had a bad piece of catfish. The catfish I eat are fresh water farmed.
>
> Jill


I'm sure you're right about that, but we always used to catch catfish and
fry them up when we were kids, never coming across anything like that, but
this was as an adult. It was such a smell that I have never smelled before
or since, and the Sacramento River is not a river that I would ever eat
anything out of again. Actually, I don't eat any fish that is caught in the
rivers anymore. It's just off putting to me. I do buy farmed fish, and I
might try it from the supermarket one of these days.

Cheri

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 17:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:43:57a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> On 2018-09-08 10:01 AM, Doris Night wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 13:26:50 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed
>>>> out and not the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my
>>>> defense, I have never had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of
>>>> my knowledge, I have never eaten catfish.
>>>
>>> Goldfish, angelfish...
>>>
>> I have only seen monkfish available a few times. The first time
>> was in a short lived local fish store whose owner closed down and
>> she contracted to run the fish section of a newly opened grocery
>> store. She referred to it as "poor man's lobster", which I didn't
>> really understand because it wasn't much cheaper than lobster.
>> It is a very solid flesh and was quite tasty. The next time I saw
>> it was in the form of a whole fish, and they are among the most
>> hideous looking sea creatures.
>>
>
>I still maintain that it's disgusting.

You're just being difficult as usual. Monkfish is one of the nicest
fish, ugly as they may be.

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 10:19:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 12:55:55 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 9/8/2018 12:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for me. I have
>> >> eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.
>> >
>> > Agreed. Catfish tastes like mud to me. Monkfish is good, although I've
>> > found it tricky to cook.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> I don't understand the whole "muddy" thing when it comes to catfish. I
>> don't get it straight out of the Mississippi River.
>>
>> Jill
>
>I never have either. Farmed catfish only.
>
>All freshwater fish tastes a little muddy to me. Catfish is the worst.

I've had catfish that I caught myself from the creek behind us. It had
a very clean taste, not muddy at all. Maybe because the creek's
flowing?

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"jmcquown" > wrote in message
> That sounds horrific, Cheri! But... I don't know how many people here are
> actually talking about catching fresh catfish from a river.
>
> I buy mine in fillets at the grocery store. LOL They're farmed in fresh
> water.
=>
> Jill


I'm sure you're right about that, but we always used to catch catfish and
fry them up when we were kids, never coming across anything like that, but
this was as an adult. It was such a smell that I have never smelled before
or since, and the Sacramento River is not a river that I would ever eat
anything out of again. Actually, I don't eat any fish that is caught in the
rivers anymore. It's just off putting to me. I do buy farmed fish, and I
might try it from the supermarket one of these days.

Cheri

===

I usually buy fresh fish but I keep some in the freezer for those days we
want it and I haven't been out to buy some fresh.

I like both

"Druce" wrote in message ...


You're just being difficult as usual. Monkfish is one of the nicest
fish, ugly as they may be.

==

I haven't seen any. How do you cook yours?

Druce wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 17:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:43:57a, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> On 2018-09-08 10:01 AM, Doris Night wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 13:26:50 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed
>>>>> out and not the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my
>>>>> defense, I have never had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of
>>>>> my knowledge, I have never eaten catfish.
>>>>
>>>> Goldfish, angelfish...
>>>>
>>> I have only seen monkfish available a few times. The first time
>>> was in a short lived local fish store whose owner closed down and
>>> she contracted to run the fish section of a newly opened grocery
>>> store. She referred to it as "poor man's lobster", which I didn't
>>> really understand because it wasn't much cheaper than lobster.
>>> It is a very solid flesh and was quite tasty. The next time I saw
>>> it was in the form of a whole fish, and they are among the most
>>> hideous looking sea creatures.
>>>
>>
>> I still maintain that it's disgusting.
>
> You're just being difficult as usual. Monkfish is one of the nicest
> fish, ugly as they may be.
>

Yes. In fact, lobsters are pretty ugly creatures, but they taste good,
and command a very high price. And what about flounders, and fish with
both eyeballs on one side? Delicious fish. Evolution created these
organisms, not beauty pageant judges.

Some of my favorite foods are not photogenic.

I've never had monkfish, but you can damn well bet I would try it, if I
ever got my hands on it, (and could afford it).

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 20:13:53 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Druce" wrote in message ...
>
>
>You're just being difficult as usual. Monkfish is one of the nicest
>fish, ugly as they may be.
>
>==
>
>I haven't seen any. How do you cook yours?

I'd panfry it, but I bet oven baking's common too. I think they should
be available in the UK. It's an Atlantic fish and they're available in
the Netherlands. Only at a fish monger though, I think. And it's a bit
pricey.

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 14:33:40 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Druce wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 17:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:43:57a, Dave Smith told us...
>>>
>>>> On 2018-09-08 10:01 AM, Doris Night wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 13:26:50 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed
>>>>>> out and not the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my
>>>>>> defense, I have never had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of
>>>>>> my knowledge, I have never eaten catfish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Goldfish, angelfish...
>>>>>
>>>> I have only seen monkfish available a few times. The first time
>>>> was in a short lived local fish store whose owner closed down and
>>>> she contracted to run the fish section of a newly opened grocery
>>>> store. She referred to it as "poor man's lobster", which I didn't
>>>> really understand because it wasn't much cheaper than lobster.
>>>> It is a very solid flesh and was quite tasty. The next time I saw
>>>> it was in the form of a whole fish, and they are among the most
>>>> hideous looking sea creatures.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I still maintain that it's disgusting.
>>
>> You're just being difficult as usual. Monkfish is one of the nicest
>> fish, ugly as they may be.
>>
>
>Yes. In fact, lobsters are pretty ugly creatures, but they taste good,
>and command a very high price. And what about flounders, and fish with
>both eyeballs on one side? Delicious fish. Evolution created these
>organisms, not beauty pageant judges.
>
>Some of my favorite foods are not photogenic.
>
>I've never had monkfish, but you can damn well bet I would try it, if I
>ever got my hands on it, (and could afford it).

You generally don't see their heads in shops. That wouldn't be the
best marketing:
<http://www.fishisthedish.co.uk/learn/fish-guide/species-of-fish/monkfish>

Druce wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 10:19:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 12:55:55 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>> On 9/8/2018 12:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for me. I have
>>>>> eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. Catfish tastes like mud to me. Monkfish is good, although I've
>>>> found it tricky to cook.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> I don't understand the whole "muddy" thing when it comes to catfish. I
>>> don't get it straight out of the Mississippi River.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I never have either. Farmed catfish only.
>>
>> All freshwater fish tastes a little muddy to me. Catfish is the worst.
>
> I've had catfish that I caught myself from the creek behind us. It had
> a very clean taste, not muddy at all. Maybe because the creek's
> flowing?
>

Possibly. But I suspect this phenomenon is also similar to the cilantro
"soap" taste. Humans are not exactly the same, and this is true of their
sense of taste, as you know.

I have had pond caught catfish (brought to me by some neighboring
teenagers) which were excellent, and the equal of any commercial farm
raised I have ever eaten.

I sometimes wonder if pollutants could also be a factor.

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 1:43:33 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2018-09-08 10:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >
> > > Wait a minute... what? You've never eaten catfish? I *know* I've never
> > > eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for me. I have
> > eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.
>
> Agreed. Catfish tastes like mud to me. Monkfish is good, although I've
> found it tricky to cook.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> =
>
> Why is it tricky to cook? (I've never had any so I don't know)

I haven't cooked it in yonks, but as I recall it's easy to make it
tough.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 2:25:14 PM UTC-4, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 11:09:07a, jmcquown told us...
>
> > On 9/8/2018 1:52 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 09:55:41a, jmcquown told us...
> >>
> >>> On 9/8/2018 12:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 2018-09-08 10:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wait a minute... what?ÂÂ* You've never eaten catfish?ÂÂ* I
> >>>>>> *know* I've never eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a
> >>>>>> staple.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for
> >>>>> me. I have eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than
> >>>>> catfish.
> >>>>
> >>>> Agreed. Catfish tastes like mud to me. Monkfish is good,
> >>>> although I've found it tricky to cook.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>>
> >>> I don't understand the whole "muddy" thing when it comes to
> >>> catfish. I don't get it straight out of the Mississippi River.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>
> >> Even if you did, catfish from the Mississippi River is usually
> >> kept in freshwater tanks long enough to feed on things that clear
> >> out their system and they don't taste muddy. I have never
> >> experienced a muddy tasting catfish, not even the "channel cats"
> >> that people catch in streams and small local rivers.
> >>
> > I guess we're among the minority, Wayne. I've never detected a
> > "muddy" taste in farmed fresh water catfish. Or maybe it's just
> > something about catfish from Memphis or thereabouts.
> >
> > Jill
> >
>
> I have never had muddy tastinsg catfish either, and have eaten it in
> Memphis, Mussel Shoales AL, NE Mississippi, and other places. All
> good. I don't know where other people are getting their muddy
> catfish. :-)

The last place I ate catfish was Thibodeaux, LA.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 14:45:08 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Druce wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 10:19:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 12:55:55 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>> On 9/8/2018 12:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had catfish three or four times. That was enough for me. I have
>>>>>> eaten Monkfish once. Monkfish is much better than catfish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. Catfish tastes like mud to me. Monkfish is good, although I've
>>>>> found it tricky to cook.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>> I don't understand the whole "muddy" thing when it comes to catfish. I
>>>> don't get it straight out of the Mississippi River.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I never have either. Farmed catfish only.
>>>
>>> All freshwater fish tastes a little muddy to me. Catfish is the worst.
>>
>> I've had catfish that I caught myself from the creek behind us. It had
>> a very clean taste, not muddy at all. Maybe because the creek's
>> flowing?
>>
>
>Possibly. But I suspect this phenomenon is also similar to the cilantro
>"soap" taste. Humans are not exactly the same, and this is true of their
>sense of taste, as you know.
>
>I have had pond caught catfish (brought to me by some neighboring
>teenagers) which were excellent, and the equal of any commercial farm
>raised I have ever eaten.
>
>I sometimes wonder if pollutants could also be a factor.

Maybe. Self caught fish isn't checked or regulated the same way as
commercial fish, of course.

I've had self caught eel that was very muddy, so I'm able to taste mud

On 2018-09-08 11:34 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> IMHO you have not missed a think when it comes to monkfish. My one
> and only experience with monkfish was when dining at a fish and
> seafood restaurant in Cleveland. People had been talking about
> monkfish and compasring the texture and (somewhat) the taste to
> lobster. Several at our table ordered it broiled, served with drawn
> butter. Only one person said they liked it. Most said they would
> never order it again, and I personally thought it was the most
> disgusting fish I hada ever eaten. Usually I will try something at
> least twice, but not monkfish.
>
I enjoy it and the last time I had it was memorable. In a restaurant in
the village of Margaux, of Chateau Margaux fame. It was cooked with hot
peppers (espelette) and to counteract the heat, the chef placed a small
pot of lemon sorbet on the plate. Really imaginative!

"Druce" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 20:13:53 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Druce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>
>You're just being difficult as usual. Monkfish is one of the nicest
>fish, ugly as they may be.
>
>==
>
>I haven't seen any. How do you cook yours?

I'd panfry it, but I bet oven baking's common too. I think they should
be available in the UK. It's an Atlantic fish and they're available in
the Netherlands. Only at a fish monger though, I think. And it's a bit
pricey.

===

Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for it.

"Druce" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 14:33:40 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Druce wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 17:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:43:57a, Dave Smith told us...
>>>
>>>> On 2018-09-08 10:01 AM, Doris Night wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 13:26:50 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed
>>>>>> out and not the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my
>>>>>> defense, I have never had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of
>>>>>> my knowledge, I have never eaten catfish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Goldfish, angelfish...
>>>>>
>>>> I have only seen monkfish available a few times. The first time
>>>> was in a short lived local fish store whose owner closed down and
>>>> she contracted to run the fish section of a newly opened grocery
>>>> store. She referred to it as "poor man's lobster", which I didn't
>>>> really understand because it wasn't much cheaper than lobster.
>>>> It is a very solid flesh and was quite tasty. The next time I saw
>>>> it was in the form of a whole fish, and they are among the most
>>>> hideous looking sea creatures.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I still maintain that it's disgusting.
>>
>> You're just being difficult as usual. Monkfish is one of the nicest
>> fish, ugly as they may be.
>>
>
>Yes. In fact, lobsters are pretty ugly creatures, but they taste good,
>and command a very high price. And what about flounders, and fish with
>both eyeballs on one side? Delicious fish. Evolution created these
>organisms, not beauty pageant judges.
>
>Some of my favorite foods are not photogenic.
>
>I've never had monkfish, but you can damn well bet I would try it, if I
>ever got my hands on it, (and could afford it).

You generally don't see their heads in shops. That wouldn't be the
best marketing:
<http://www.fishisthedish.co.uk/learn/fish-guide/species-of-fish/monkfish>

===

Aww there's a bonny lad ... lol

7 Sep 2018, "l not -l" wrote:
>
>This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to thinking;
>I wonder why cod is often called codfish

Obviously to differenciate it from codpiece.

>and tuna is often called tunafish.

Fresh is called "tuna"... canned is called "tunafish".

On 2018-09-08 12:55 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/8/2018 12:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> Agreed.Â* Catfish tastes like mud to me.Â* Monkfish is good, although I've
>> found it tricky to cook.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> I don't understand the whole "muddy" thing when it comes to catfish.Â* I
> don't get it straight out of the Mississippi River.

I understand it. That is the way I would describe it... that and trout
from warm water.

On 2018-09-08 1:34 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> IMHO you have not missed a think when it comes to monkfish. My one
> and only experience with monkfish was when dining at a fish and
> seafood restaurant in Cleveland. People had been talking about
> monkfish and compasring the texture and (somewhat) the taste to
> lobster. Several at our table ordered it broiled, served with drawn
> butter. Only one person said they liked it.


That was the way my wife cooked it and it was delicious. My only
problem with it was that it was referred to as poor man's lobster and it
was no cheaper than lobster.

> Most said they would
> never order it again, and I personally thought it was the most
> disgusting fish I hada ever eaten. Usually I will try something at
> least twice, but not monkfish.


I would gladly eat it again, despite having since seen what it looks like.

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 10:58:34 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 9/8/2018 9:26 AM, l not -l wrote:
>> On 7-Sep-2018, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 05:46:07p, Doris Night told us...
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:34:59 GMT, "l not -l" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to
>>>>> thinking; I wonder why cod is often called codfish and tuna is
>>>>> often called tunafish. I don't know of anything other than fish
>>>>> that is known as cod or tuna. No other fish I know are referred
>>>>> to by anything other than their specie name; no tilapiafish or
>>>>> salmonfish or whatever. Just one of those odd things that I
>>>>> sometimes wonder about.
>>>>
>>>> What about monkfish?
>>>>
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt that most people would call it "monk". :-)
>>>
>>> --
>> I'm surprised that, to me, an obscure fish is the one pointed out and not
>> the obvious oversight on my part - catfish. In my defense, I have never
>> had, nor seen, monkfish and to the best of my knowledge, I have never eaten
>> catfish.
>>
>Wait a minute... what? You've never eaten catfish? I *know* I've never
>eaten monkfish but catfish is practically a staple.

I've seen monkfish for sale here a few times, but never tasted it.

And I've never eaten catfish.

Doris

wrote:
> 7 Sep 2018, "l not -l" wrote:
>>
>> This thread and another that mentioned a fried cod meal got me to thinking;
>> I wonder why cod is often called codfish
>
> Obviously to differenciate it from codpiece.
>
>> and tuna is often called tunafish.
>
> Fresh is called "tuna"... canned is called "tunafish".
>

Popeye, I bet yoose have pulled off lots of cod pieces, and eaten lots
of cods too.

Yoose brother taught yoose well.