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Druce 27-08-2018 03:56 AM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-treats.html

"But manufacturers have turned ice cream making into a science by
adding a range of cheap substitutes and chemicals to mimic the real
thing."

"All are essentially a mix of skimmed milk powder, various types of
sugar, preservatives, artificial colours and flavours."

Yumm!

Ed Pawlowski 27-08-2018 04:28 AM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On 8/26/2018 10:56 PM, Druce wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-treats.html
>
> "But manufacturers have turned ice cream making into a science by
> adding a range of cheap substitutes and chemicals to mimic the real
> thing."
>
> "All are essentially a mix of skimmed milk powder, various types of
> sugar, preservatives, artificial colours and flavours."
>
> Yumm!
>


Won't find that crap in my house.

[email protected] 27-08-2018 12:11 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 23:28:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/26/2018 10:56 PM, Druce wrote:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-treats.html
>>
>> "But manufacturers have turned ice cream making into a science by
>> adding a range of cheap substitutes and chemicals to mimic the real
>> thing."
>>
>> "All are essentially a mix of skimmed milk powder, various types of
>> sugar, preservatives, artificial colours and flavours."
>>
>> Yumm!
>>

>
>Won't find that crap in my house.


Nor mine - ice cream has just about the longest list of chemicals of
all the stuff on supermarket shelves.

Druce 27-08-2018 12:27 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:11:33 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 23:28:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 8/26/2018 10:56 PM, Druce wrote:
>>>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-treats.html
>>>
>>> "But manufacturers have turned ice cream making into a science by
>>> adding a range of cheap substitutes and chemicals to mimic the real
>>> thing."
>>>
>>> "All are essentially a mix of skimmed milk powder, various types of
>>> sugar, preservatives, artificial colours and flavours."
>>>
>>> Yumm!
>>>

>>
>>Won't find that crap in my house.

>
>Nor mine - ice cream has just about the longest list of chemicals of
>all the stuff on supermarket shelves.


I knew that, but to read that vanilla ice cream tends to have neither
vanilla nor cream as an ingredient is a bit of a surprise to me.

Ed Pawlowski 27-08-2018 03:52 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On 8/27/2018 7:27 AM, Druce wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:11:33 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 23:28:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/26/2018 10:56 PM, Druce wrote:
>>>>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-treats.html
>>>>
>>>> "But manufacturers have turned ice cream making into a science by
>>>> adding a range of cheap substitutes and chemicals to mimic the real
>>>> thing."
>>>>
>>>> "All are essentially a mix of skimmed milk powder, various types of
>>>> sugar, preservatives, artificial colours and flavours."
>>>>
>>>> Yumm!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Won't find that crap in my house.

>>
>> Nor mine - ice cream has just about the longest list of chemicals of
>> all the stuff on supermarket shelves.

>
> I knew that, but to read that vanilla ice cream tends to have neither
> vanilla nor cream as an ingredient is a bit of a surprise to me.
>


It is amazing what chemists can do, but all you really need is a few
simple ingredients and no fillers or preservatives.

A few years back at the farmer's market a local dairy was selling
packaged ice cream. I figured it would be good, locally produced with
local ingredients. Turns out it had guar gum and carrageenan in it. I
handed it back to him. He said to make ice cream you have to put them
in. Of course, I gave him a couple of brands he could find at the
supermarket up the street than had none. Fraud, IMO.

I'm not a radical purists, but on some things I am. I'm willing to pay
more for the real deal

Dave Smith[_1_] 27-08-2018 04:46 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On 2018-08-27 10:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> A few years back at the farmer's market a local dairy was selling
> packaged ice cream.Â* I figured it would be good, locally produced with
> local ingredients.Â* Turns out it had guar gum and carrageenan in it.Â* I
> handed it back to him.Â* He said to make ice cream you have to put them
> in.Â* Of course, I gave him a couple of brands he could find at the
> supermarket up the street than had none.Â* Fraud, IMO.
>
> I'm not a radical purists, but on some things I am.Â* I'm willing to pay
> more for the real deal



Maybe it's time to try making it. It is not difficult. I have a
Cuisinart ice cream maker, the one with the freezer bowl. You need a
little planning. Get the freezer bowl into the freeze well in advance,
like two days ahead.

There are ice cream cream recipes in the instruction book. The one I
used was two cups of heavy cream and two cups of milk, a couple egg
yolks, some sugar and vanilla. You can chop up baker's chocolate and
melt it in the hot mixture. Let it cool overnight. Stick it into the
machine for about 20 minutes and then spoon it into a container and
stick it in the freezer. I have never had a bad batch.

I stopped making it after my heart surgery, but there is a good chance
there is home made ice cream in my feature.

Ed Pawlowski 27-08-2018 04:58 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On 8/27/2018 11:46 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> Maybe it's time to try making it. It is not difficult.Â*Â* I have a
> Cuisinart ice cream maker, the one with the freezer bowl.Â* You need a
> little planning.Â* Get theÂ* freezer bowl into the freeze well in advance,
> like two days ahead.
>
> There are ice creamÂ* cream recipes in the instruction book.Â* The one I
> used was two cups of heavy cream and two cups of milk, a couple egg
> yolks, some sugar and vanilla.Â* You can chop up baker's chocolate and
> melt it in the hot mixture. Let it cool overnight. Stick it into the
> machine for about 20 minutes and then spoon it into a container and
> stick it in the freezer. I have never had a bad batch.


I have the same one. I like to make peach when they are in season. I
store the bowl in the freezer. I should use it more.

Dave Smith[_1_] 27-08-2018 05:39 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On 2018-08-27 11:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/27/2018 11:46 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>


>> There are ice creamÂ* cream recipes in the instruction book.Â* The one I
>> used was two cups of heavy cream and two cups of milk, a couple egg
>> yolks, some sugar and vanilla.Â* You can chop up baker's chocolate and
>> melt it in the hot mixture. Let it cool overnight. Stick it into the
>> machine for about 20 minutes and then spoon it into a container and
>> stick it in the freezer. I have never had a bad batch.

>
> I have the same one.Â* I like to make peach when they are in season.Â* I
> store the bowl in the freezer.Â* I should use it more.


If you have one and use it, then you know that it is not a money saver.
It costs as much to make a batch as it does to buy a good quality
commercial product. However, you know that it is all real ingredients.

Janet 27-08-2018 06:40 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
In article >,
says...
>
> On 2018-08-27 10:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > A few years back at the farmer's market a local dairy was selling
> > packaged ice cream.* I figured it would be good, locally produced with
> > local ingredients.* Turns out it had guar gum and carrageenan in it.* I
> > handed it back to him.* He said to make ice cream you have to put them
> > in.* Of course, I gave him a couple of brands he could find at the
> > supermarket up the street than had none.* Fraud, IMO.
> >
> > I'm not a radical purists, but on some things I am.* I'm willing to pay
> > more for the real deal

>
>
> Maybe it's time to try making it. It is not difficult. I have a
> Cuisinart ice cream maker, the one with the freezer bowl. You need a
> little planning. Get the freezer bowl into the freeze well in advance,
> like two days ahead.
>
> There are ice cream cream recipes in the instruction book. The one I
> used was two cups of heavy cream and two cups of milk, a couple egg
> yolks, some sugar and vanilla. You can chop up baker's chocolate and
> melt it in the hot mixture. Let it cool overnight. Stick it into the
> machine for about 20 minutes and then spoon it into a container and
> stick it in the freezer. I have never had a bad batch.


I've often made icecream in the freezer, no need for a machine.
Although recipes will say to take it out of the freezer and stir/beat
several times before it freezes solid, that's not really essential
either.

We went out for a pub lunch yesterday; I had a smoked salmon nicoise
salad followed by affogato.

The icecream was home made vanilla ; plus a jug of strong black
espresso coffee and one of a local whisky liqueur, Arran Gold.
Wonderful.

Janet UK

[email protected] 27-08-2018 08:20 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:46:56 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-08-27 10:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> A few years back at the farmer's market a local dairy was selling
>> packaged ice cream.* I figured it would be good, locally produced with
>> local ingredients.* Turns out it had guar gum and carrageenan in it.* I
>> handed it back to him.* He said to make ice cream you have to put them
>> in.* Of course, I gave him a couple of brands he could find at the
>> supermarket up the street than had none.* Fraud, IMO.
>>
>> I'm not a radical purists, but on some things I am.* I'm willing to pay
>> more for the real deal

>
>
>Maybe it's time to try making it. It is not difficult. I have a
>Cuisinart ice cream maker, the one with the freezer bowl. You need a
>little planning. Get the freezer bowl into the freeze well in advance,
>like two days ahead.
>
>There are ice cream cream recipes in the instruction book. The one I
>used was two cups of heavy cream and two cups of milk, a couple egg
>yolks, some sugar and vanilla. You can chop up baker's chocolate and
>melt it in the hot mixture. Let it cool overnight. Stick it into the
>machine for about 20 minutes and then spoon it into a container and
>stick it in the freezer. I have never had a bad batch.
>
>I stopped making it after my heart surgery, but there is a good chance
>there is home made ice cream in my feature.


I leave my freezer bowl in the freezer all the time, then it's always
ready.

Druce 27-08-2018 08:54 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:52:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/27/2018 7:27 AM, Druce wrote:


>> I knew that, but to read that vanilla ice cream tends to have neither
>> vanilla nor cream as an ingredient is a bit of a surprise to me.
>>

>
>It is amazing what chemists can do, but all you really need is a few
>simple ingredients and no fillers or preservatives.
>
>A few years back at the farmer's market a local dairy was selling
>packaged ice cream. I figured it would be good, locally produced with
>local ingredients. Turns out it had guar gum and carrageenan in it. I
>handed it back to him. He said to make ice cream you have to put them
>in. Of course, I gave him a couple of brands he could find at the
>supermarket up the street than had none. Fraud, IMO.
>
>I'm not a radical purists, but on some things I am. I'm willing to pay
>more for the real deal


I'm not a purist either, but many people don't seem to care and would
prefer not to know. Like lambs to slaughter.

joecool 28-08-2018 07:45 AM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> On 8/27/2018 7:27 AM, Druce wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:11:33 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 23:28:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/26/2018 10:56 PM, Druce wrote:
>>>>>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-treats.html
>>>>>
>>>>> "But manufacturers have turned ice cream making into a science by
>>>>> adding a range of cheap substitutes and chemicals to mimic the real
>>>>> thing."
>>>>>
>>>>> "All are essentially a mix of skimmed milk powder, various types of
>>>>> sugar, preservatives, artificial colours and flavours."
>>>>>
>>>>> Yumm!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Won't find that crap in my house.
>>>
>>> Nor mine - ice cream has just about the longest list of chemicals of
>>> all the stuff on supermarket shelves.

>>
>> I knew that, but to read that vanilla ice cream tends to have neither
>> vanilla nor cream as an ingredient is a bit of a surprise to me.
>>

>
> It is amazing what chemists can do, but all you really need is a few
> simple ingredients and no fillers or preservatives.
>


Vanilla being dropped out isnt a huge surprise. The prices are through the
roof right now since Madagascar was hit with cyclones and the market
panicked. Vanilla orchids require a lot of time and care to grow and you
need near slave labor to produce vanilla beans as they require hand
pollination.

The main alternative option on the market has been artificially produced
vanillin which is a component of the bean but lacks the complexity in
flavor. Lindt switched to this for their chocolates which ****ed a lot of
people off.

I guess many years ago there was a gland secretion containing vanillin
extracted from the backside of beavers but we have since moved away from
that.

Black locust flowers allegedly contain it too, I was looking at making some
dish with them in early summer while the trees were in bloom.


> A few years back at the farmer's market a local dairy was selling
> packaged ice cream. I figured it would be good, locally produced with
> local ingredients. Turns out it had guar gum and carrageenan in it. I
> handed it back to him. He said to make ice cream you have to put them
> in. Of course, I gave him a couple of brands he could find at the
> supermarket up the street than had none. Fraud, IMO.
>


Haagan-dazs is probably the only widely available brand of ice cream around
our stores (US) that lacks the gums and gelling agents.

Carrageenan is in store bought heavy whipping cream here. I dont know,
maybe I could bug a dairy farmer to get the pure stuff.

> I'm not a radical purists, but on some things I am. I'm willing to pay
> more for the real deal
>


Same, sourcing can often be difficult though. For example, I ended up
having to buy cinnamon online since no store carried the real thing.


Cindy Hamilton[_2_] 28-08-2018 11:14 AM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 2:45:26 AM UTC-4, joecool wrote:

> Carrageenan is in store bought heavy whipping cream here. I dont know,
> maybe I could bug a dairy farmer to get the pure stuff.


Here in southeast Michigan, we've got a regional brand of heavy whipping
cream that has no thickeners and is not ultra-pasteurized. It's the only
kind I'll buy.

Cindy Hamilton

dsi1[_17_] 28-08-2018 11:16 AM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:45:26 PM UTC-10, joecool wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > On 8/27/2018 7:27 AM, Druce wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:11:33 -0300, wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 23:28:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/26/2018 10:56 PM, Druce wrote:
> >>>>>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-treats.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "But manufacturers have turned ice cream making into a science by
> >>>>> adding a range of cheap substitutes and chemicals to mimic the real
> >>>>> thing."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "All are essentially a mix of skimmed milk powder, various types of
> >>>>> sugar, preservatives, artificial colours and flavours."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yumm!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Won't find that crap in my house.
> >>>
> >>> Nor mine - ice cream has just about the longest list of chemicals of
> >>> all the stuff on supermarket shelves.
> >>
> >> I knew that, but to read that vanilla ice cream tends to have neither
> >> vanilla nor cream as an ingredient is a bit of a surprise to me.
> >>

> >
> > It is amazing what chemists can do, but all you really need is a few
> > simple ingredients and no fillers or preservatives.
> >

>
> Vanilla being dropped out isnt a huge surprise. The prices are through the
> roof right now since Madagascar was hit with cyclones and the market
> panicked. Vanilla orchids require a lot of time and care to grow and you
> need near slave labor to produce vanilla beans as they require hand
> pollination.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WqRxKuVZTk

>
> The main alternative option on the market has been artificially produced
> vanillin which is a component of the bean but lacks the complexity in
> flavor. Lindt switched to this for their chocolates which ****ed a lot of
> people off.
>
> I guess many years ago there was a gland secretion containing vanillin
> extracted from the backside of beavers but we have since moved away from
> that.
>
> Black locust flowers allegedly contain it too, I was looking at making some
> dish with them in early summer while the trees were in bloom.
>
>
> > A few years back at the farmer's market a local dairy was selling
> > packaged ice cream. I figured it would be good, locally produced with
> > local ingredients. Turns out it had guar gum and carrageenan in it. I
> > handed it back to him. He said to make ice cream you have to put them
> > in. Of course, I gave him a couple of brands he could find at the
> > supermarket up the street than had none. Fraud, IMO.
> >

>
> Haagan-dazs is probably the only widely available brand of ice cream around
> our stores (US) that lacks the gums and gelling agents.
>
> Carrageenan is in store bought heavy whipping cream here. I dont know,
> maybe I could bug a dairy farmer to get the pure stuff.
>
> > I'm not a radical purists, but on some things I am. I'm willing to pay
> > more for the real deal
> >

>
> Same, sourcing can often be difficult though. For example, I ended up
> having to buy cinnamon online since no store carried the real thing.



Ed Pawlowski 28-08-2018 03:43 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On 8/28/2018 2:45 AM, joecool wrote:

> Haagan-dazs is probably the only widely available brand of ice cream around
> our stores (US) that lacks the gums and gelling agents.
>
> Carrageenan is in store bought heavy whipping cream here. I dont know,
> maybe I could bug a dairy farmer to get the pure stuff.
>

I have 5 pints of Haagen dazs in the freezer right now. It was on sale
plus a coupon. 4 of the 5 are vanilla bean.

Even making your own you have to be careful of ingredients. I imagine
people don't even think of looking at ingredient lists or that type of
product.

Hood is a big brand around here.
Light cream
INGREDIENTS: LIGHT CREAM, DISODIUM PHOSPHATE.

Heavy cream
INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE 80.

Fat free half and half
INGREDIENTS: FAT FREE MILK, CORN SYRUP, CREAM**, ARTIFICAL COLOR*,
DISODIUM PHOSPHATE, CARRAGEENAN, GUAR GUM AND VITAMIN A PALMITATE. *NOT
IN REGULAR HALF & HALF **ADDS A TRIVIAL AMOUNT OF FAT

Druce 28-08-2018 06:41 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:43:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>I have 5 pints of Haagen dazs in the freezer right now. It was on sale
>plus a coupon. 4 of the 5 are vanilla bean.
>
>Even making your own you have to be careful of ingredients. I imagine
>people don't even think of looking at ingredient lists or that type of
>product.
>
>Hood is a big brand around here.
>Light cream
>INGREDIENTS: LIGHT CREAM, DISODIUM PHOSPHATE.
>
>Heavy cream
>INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE 80.
>
>Fat free half and half
>INGREDIENTS: FAT FREE MILK, CORN SYRUP, CREAM**, ARTIFICAL COLOR*,
>DISODIUM PHOSPHATE, CARRAGEENAN, GUAR GUM AND VITAMIN A PALMITATE. *NOT
>IN REGULAR HALF & HALF **ADDS A TRIVIAL AMOUNT OF FAT


I'd hate to buy that and only look at the ingredients after I got
home.

Ophelia[_16_] 28-08-2018 07:50 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 


"Druce" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:43:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>I have 5 pints of Haagen dazs in the freezer right now. It was on sale
>plus a coupon. 4 of the 5 are vanilla bean.
>
>Even making your own you have to be careful of ingredients. I imagine
>people don't even think of looking at ingredient lists or that type of
>product.
>
>Hood is a big brand around here.
>Light cream
>INGREDIENTS: LIGHT CREAM, DISODIUM PHOSPHATE.
>
>Heavy cream
>INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE 80.
>
>Fat free half and half
>INGREDIENTS: FAT FREE MILK, CORN SYRUP, CREAM**, ARTIFICAL COLOR*,
>DISODIUM PHOSPHATE, CARRAGEENAN, GUAR GUM AND VITAMIN A PALMITATE. *NOT
>IN REGULAR HALF & HALF **ADDS A TRIVIAL AMOUNT OF FAT


I'd hate to buy that and only look at the ingredients after I got
home.

==

For some time now, I have been going off stuff with 'ingredients' and
avoiding as much as I can. As I mentioned the other day, I have stopped
buying cooked meats. I roast my own joints (roasts?), slice them and put in
the freezer. Much nicer.

ps do you roast a roast ??



Druce 28-08-2018 08:29 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:50:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Druce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:43:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>I have 5 pints of Haagen dazs in the freezer right now. It was on sale
>>plus a coupon. 4 of the 5 are vanilla bean.
>>
>>Even making your own you have to be careful of ingredients. I imagine
>>people don't even think of looking at ingredient lists or that type of
>>product.
>>
>>Hood is a big brand around here.
>>Light cream
>>INGREDIENTS: LIGHT CREAM, DISODIUM PHOSPHATE.
>>
>>Heavy cream
>>INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE 80.
>>
>>Fat free half and half
>>INGREDIENTS: FAT FREE MILK, CORN SYRUP, CREAM**, ARTIFICAL COLOR*,
>>DISODIUM PHOSPHATE, CARRAGEENAN, GUAR GUM AND VITAMIN A PALMITATE. *NOT
>>IN REGULAR HALF & HALF **ADDS A TRIVIAL AMOUNT OF FAT

>
>I'd hate to buy that and only look at the ingredients after I got
>home.
>
>==
>
>For some time now, I have been going off stuff with 'ingredients' and
>avoiding as much as I can. As I mentioned the other day, I have stopped
>buying cooked meats. I roast my own joints (roasts?), slice them and put in
>the freezer. Much nicer.
>
>ps do you roast a roast ??


Is that a trick question?

Ophelia[_16_] 28-08-2018 08:43 PM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 


"Druce" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:50:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Druce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:43:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>I have 5 pints of Haagen dazs in the freezer right now. It was on sale
>>plus a coupon. 4 of the 5 are vanilla bean.
>>
>>Even making your own you have to be careful of ingredients. I imagine
>>people don't even think of looking at ingredient lists or that type of
>>product.
>>
>>Hood is a big brand around here.
>>Light cream
>>INGREDIENTS: LIGHT CREAM, DISODIUM PHOSPHATE.
>>
>>Heavy cream
>>INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE 80.
>>
>>Fat free half and half
>>INGREDIENTS: FAT FREE MILK, CORN SYRUP, CREAM**, ARTIFICAL COLOR*,
>>DISODIUM PHOSPHATE, CARRAGEENAN, GUAR GUM AND VITAMIN A PALMITATE. *NOT
>>IN REGULAR HALF & HALF **ADDS A TRIVIAL AMOUNT OF FAT

>
>I'd hate to buy that and only look at the ingredients after I got
>home.
>
>==
>
>For some time now, I have been going off stuff with 'ingredients' and
>avoiding as much as I can. As I mentioned the other day, I have stopped
>buying cooked meats. I roast my own joints (roasts?), slice them and put
>in
>the freezer. Much nicer.
>
>ps do you roast a roast ??


Is that a trick question?

==

;p


jmcquown[_2_] 29-08-2018 12:38 AM

Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla or cream
 
On 8/28/2018 1:58 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Tue 28 Aug 2018 07:43:52a, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>
>> On 8/28/2018 2:45 AM, joecool wrote:
>>
>>> Haagan-dazs is probably the only widely available brand of ice
>>> cream around our stores (US) that lacks the gums and gelling
>>> agents.
>>>
>>> Carrageenan is in store bought heavy whipping cream here. I
>>> don€„¢t know, maybe I could bug a dairy farmer to get the pure
>>> stuff.
>>>

>> I have 5 pints of Haagen dazs in the freezer right now. It was on
>> sale plus a coupon. 4 of the 5 are vanilla bean.
>>
>> Even making your own you have to be careful of ingredients. I
>> imagine people don't even think of looking at ingredient lists or
>> that type of product.
>>
>> Hood is a big brand around here.
>> Light cream
>> INGREDIENTS: LIGHT CREAM, DISODIUM PHOSPHATE.
>>
>> Heavy cream
>> INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE
>> 80.
>>
>> Fat free half and half
>> INGREDIENTS: FAT FREE MILK, CORN SYRUP, CREAM**, ARTIFICAL COLOR*,
>> DISODIUM PHOSPHATE, CARRAGEENAN, GUAR GUM AND VITAMIN A PALMITATE.
>> *NOT IN REGULAR HALF & HALF **ADDS A TRIVIAL AMOUNT OF FAT
>>

>
> So true. When I buy light and heavy cream I make sure the contents
> only contain cream.
>
> We wanted to try the fat-free half and half for use in coffee, and
> the brand we bought had a lot of additives. FWIW, it didn't taste
> bad, but we only bought it once just see what it was like.
>

I have a neighbor who says he doesn't like to use butter or milk/cream
because of animal fats. (The making of such things are not harmful to
the animals.) I wasn't trying to be nosy but I asked if he has a
cholesterol problem. He said no, he just thinks almond milk and Benecol
or butter substitutes like margarine are better [healthwise]. I said,
"Oh, so you think all those chemicals are a good thing?" He really
didn't know what to say. I don't think it ever occurred to him to read
a label.

Jill

Ed Pawlowski 29-08-2018 02:40 AM

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On 8/28/2018 7:54 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> A woman who had been reading a label turned to me once askedd if I
> thought what she was buying was very good as far as the ingredients
> were concerned. When I saw the contents I replied with a polite by
> emphatic "no". She didn't by it. Can't remember what the product
> was, though.
>


Every once in a while I go through the store with an open mind. I want
to buy something I've never had just to try something different, change
up the rotation. Sadly, there is little that I'd buy. There are,
however, loads of frozen prepared chemical laden foods. Bowls are
suddenly popular. Indian, Asian, whatever, just microwave and dinner is
ready. Uh, no thanks.

I did buy a jar of Braswell's blueberry preserves. Pretty good.

John Kuthe[_3_] 29-08-2018 04:59 AM

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On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 8:40:39 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/28/2018 7:54 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> >
> > A woman who had been reading a label turned to me once askedd if I
> > thought what she was buying was very good as far as the ingredients
> > were concerned. When I saw the contents I replied with a polite by
> > emphatic "no". She didn't by it. Can't remember what the product
> > was, though.
> >

>
> Every once in a while I go through the store with an open mind. I want
> to buy something I've never had just to try something different, change
> up the rotation. Sadly, there is little that I'd buy. There are,
> however, loads of frozen prepared chemical laden foods. Bowls are
> suddenly popular. Indian, Asian, whatever, just microwave and dinner is
> ready. Uh, no thanks.
>
> I did buy a jar of Braswell's blueberry preserves. Pretty good.


When I was a kid in the 1960's my mommy used to feed me breakfast cereals, and while eating them my fave thing to read off the box was their ingredient list. All that advertising crap was EASY to read, the chemical names in the ingredients were HARD and thus more fun for me!

One of my fave books as a kid was called Chemistry For Children too!

I was not a normal child, nor a normal adult nor would I ever WANT TO BE! I was far smarter than all my childhood cohorts and now that we are all "grown up" I'm STILL smarter than most ALL of you!

John Kuthe...

[email protected][_2_] 29-08-2018 05:35 AM

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On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 10:59:27 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> I was not a normal child, nor a normal adult nor would I ever WANT TO BE! I was far smarter than all my childhood cohorts and now that we are all "grown up" I'm STILL smarter than most ALL of you!
>
> John Kuthe€¦
>

Oh shut up and quit tooting your own horn. We are NOT impressed with all your
buffoonery and neither are your roommates. You're still a legend in your own
mind.


Leonard Blaisdell[_2_] 29-08-2018 07:49 AM

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In article >, Ed Pawlowski >
wrote:

> Heavy cream
> INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE 80.


Good Lord, you made me look. Our partial quart of heavy "whipping"
cream contains exactly that. The good news is that I bought it a month
ago, and what's left will be good until September 11th. I have to get
onto making a cream of asparagus or broccoli or cauliflower soup. I
have a lot of homemade chicken stock in the freezer and a blender wand.

Thanks for the heads-up.

leo

Druce 29-08-2018 08:25 AM

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:49:17 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Ed Pawlowski >
>wrote:
>
>> Heavy cream
>> INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE 80.

>
>Good Lord, you made me look. Our partial quart of heavy "whipping"
>cream contains exactly that. The good news is that I bought it a month
>ago, and what's left will be good until September 11th. I have to get
>onto making a cream of asparagus or broccoli or cauliflower soup. I
>have a lot of homemade chicken stock in the freezer and a blender wand.
>
>Thanks for the heads-up.


Better be careful. It might explode when it gets warm.

Ed Pawlowski 29-08-2018 03:08 PM

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On 8/29/2018 2:21 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>>
>> Every once in a while I go through the store with an open mind. I
>> want to buy something I've never had just to try something
>> different, change up the rotation. Sadly, there is little that
>> I'd buy. There are, however, loads of frozen prepared chemical
>> laden foods. Bowls are suddenly popular. Indian, Asian,
>> whatever, just microwave and dinner is ready. Uh, no thanks.
>>
>> I did buy a jar of Braswell's blueberry preserves. Pretty good.
>>

>
> I've found that most of Braswell's products are prtty good.
>


I've had a couple of their salad dressings. One is a Summer Tomato that
has a very intense flavor. I also use it with a bit of sour cream mixed
with it

[email protected] 29-08-2018 08:57 PM

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On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 12:38:37 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:

> If you have one and use it, then you know that it is not a money saver.
> It costs as much to make a batch as it does to buy a good quality
> commercial product. However, you know that it is all real ingredients.



Therefore, the thing to do is make ice cream in flavors that you can't buy at the supermarket - or even, necessarily, at your local parlor. Like chocolate raspberry truffle.

Lenona.


[email protected] 30-08-2018 07:38 PM

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 03:14:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 2:45:26 AM UTC-4, joecool wrote:
>
>> Carrageenan is in store bought heavy whipping cream here. I don’t know,
>> maybe I could bug a dairy farmer to get the pure stuff.

>
>Here in southeast Michigan, we've got a regional brand of heavy whipping
>cream that has no thickeners and is not ultra-pasteurized. It's the only
>kind I'll buy.
>
>Cindy Hamilton


You say you have a weight problem, WTF are you buying whipping
cream... only reason I can think is you enjoy hubby licking it off
your vital parts... and whipped cream doesn't have to be vanilla, can
be any flavor, maybe hubby would enjoy licking a good scotch.
Did yoose know you can shave your sensitive lady parts with whipped
cream...


[email protected] 30-08-2018 07:41 PM

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On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 03:41:33 +1000, Druce >
wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:43:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>I have 5 pints of Haagen dazs in the freezer right now. It was on sale
>>plus a coupon. 4 of the 5 are vanilla bean.
>>
>>Even making your own you have to be careful of ingredients. I imagine
>>people don't even think of looking at ingredient lists or that type of
>>product.
>>
>>Hood is a big brand around here.
>>Light cream
>>INGREDIENTS: LIGHT CREAM, DISODIUM PHOSPHATE.
>>
>>Heavy cream
>>INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE 80.
>>
>>Fat free half and half
>>INGREDIENTS: FAT FREE MILK, CORN SYRUP, CREAM**, ARTIFICAL COLOR*,
>>DISODIUM PHOSPHATE, CARRAGEENAN, GUAR GUM AND VITAMIN A PALMITATE. *NOT
>>IN REGULAR HALF & HALF **ADDS A TRIVIAL AMOUNT OF FAT

>
>I'd hate to buy that and only look at the ingredients after I got
>home.


Didja know pure human breast milk makes a lovely whipped cream...


[email protected] 30-08-2018 08:17 PM

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:50:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Druce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:43:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>I have 5 pints of Haagen dazs in the freezer right now. It was on sale
>>plus a coupon. 4 of the 5 are vanilla bean.
>>
>>Even making your own you have to be careful of ingredients. I imagine
>>people don't even think of looking at ingredient lists or that type of
>>product.
>>
>>Hood is a big brand around here.
>>Light cream
>>INGREDIENTS: LIGHT CREAM, DISODIUM PHOSPHATE.
>>
>>Heavy cream
>>INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE 80.
>>
>>Fat free half and half
>>INGREDIENTS: FAT FREE MILK, CORN SYRUP, CREAM**, ARTIFICAL COLOR*,
>>DISODIUM PHOSPHATE, CARRAGEENAN, GUAR GUM AND VITAMIN A PALMITATE. *NOT
>>IN REGULAR HALF & HALF **ADDS A TRIVIAL AMOUNT OF FAT

>
>I'd hate to buy that and only look at the ingredients after I got
>home.
>
>==
>
>For some time now, I have been going off stuff with 'ingredients' and
>avoiding as much as I can. As I mentioned the other day, I have stopped
>buying cooked meats. I roast my own joints (roasts?), slice them and put in
>the freezer. Much nicer.
>
>ps do you roast a roast ??


All the time. I never buy roast beef from the deli, it's injected
with who knows what and too heavily seasoned on the surface... and
will cost at least double the price of roasting one yourself. And
deli roast beef is way too fatty. It's no work at all to prepare
roast beef at home... only reason I can think why people buy roast
beef at the deli is they can't use a knife.
I do my own roast pork too, for sandwiches a boneless pork loin is
perfect. However my favorite roast is a fresh ham, the king of
roasts. Only I don't buy one often as even a half is too much for
just the two of us, so it's a company dish. Roast fresh ham is the
most festive holiday cut there is... a fresh ham puts a cured ham to
shame. In the US most hams are cured because they can keep a long
time. Fresh ham needs to be cooked and eaten right away, freezing
ruins it.
Shank Half:
https://postimg.cc/image/eh93654dp/
Delicious:
https://postimg.cc/image/nqb9g82z1/
Butt half:
https://postimg.cc/image/vvtbegbt9/
A fantastic roast:
https://postimg.cc/image/zff94hc0t/



[email protected] 30-08-2018 08:38 PM

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28 Aug 2018 John Kuthe wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>Wayne wrote:
>> >
>> > A woman who had been reading a label turned to me once askedd if I
>> > thought what she was buying was very good as far as the ingredients
>> > were concerned. When I saw the contents I replied with a polite by
>> > emphatic "no". She didn't by it. Can't remember what the product
>> > was, though.
>> >

>>
>> Every once in a while I go through the store with an open mind. I want
>> to buy something I've never had just to try something different, change
>> up the rotation. Sadly, there is little that I'd buy. There are,
>> however, loads of frozen prepared chemical laden foods. Bowls are
>> suddenly popular. Indian, Asian, whatever, just microwave and dinner is
>> ready. Uh, no thanks.
>>
>> I did buy a jar of Braswell's blueberry preserves. Pretty good.

>
>When I was a kid in the 1960's my mommy used to feed me breakfast cereals,
>and while eating them my fave thing to read off the box was theiringredient list.
>All that advertising crap was EASY to read, the chemical names in the ingredients
>were HARD and thus more fun for me!
>
>One of my fave books as a kid was called Chemistry For Children too!


I didn't only use a book I had the Gilbert chemistry set, the Gilbert
microscope set too.. one of my first uses was to look at my sperm, all
were wiggling... now I know what they were hunting.

>I was not a normal child, nor a normal adult nor would I ever WANT TO BE!


You got your wish.

>I was far smarter than all my childhood cohorts and now
>that we are all "grown up" I'm STILL smarter than most ALL of you!


Um, self praise is no compliment.
A lot more meaningful to hear on a daily
basis that Popeye knows everything.

[email protected] 30-08-2018 08:40 PM

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 21:35:45 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 10:59:27 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> I was not a normal child, nor a normal adult nor would I ever WANT TO BE! I was far smarter than all my childhood cohorts and now that we are all "grown up" I'm STILL smarter than most ALL of you!
>>
>> John Kuthe…
>>

>Oh shut up and quit tooting your own horn. We are NOT impressed with all your
>buffoonery and neither are your roommates.
>You're still a legend in your own mind.


That would be a very puny legend.

[email protected] 30-08-2018 08:44 PM

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:49:17 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Ed Pawlowski >
>wrote:
>
>> Heavy cream
>> INGREDIENTS: CREAM, CARRAGEENAN, MONO & DIGLYCERIDES, POLYSORBATE 80.

>
>Good Lord, you made me look. Our partial quart of heavy "whipping"
>cream contains exactly that. The good news is that I bought it a month
>ago, and what's left will be good until September 11th. I have to get
>onto making a cream of asparagus or broccoli or cauliflower soup. I
>have a lot of homemade chicken stock in the freezer and a blender wand.
>
>Thanks for the heads-up.
>
>leo


Why ruin good homemade chicken stock with
chemical laden cream... use chicken boullion.

Hank Rogers[_2_] 30-08-2018 08:52 PM

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wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 03:14:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 2:45:26 AM UTC-4, joecool wrote:
>>
>>> Carrageenan is in store bought heavy whipping cream here. I don’t know,
>>> maybe I could bug a dairy farmer to get the pure stuff.

>>
>> Here in southeast Michigan, we've got a regional brand of heavy whipping
>> cream that has no thickeners and is not ultra-pasteurized. It's the only
>> kind I'll buy.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

>
> You say you have a weight problem, WTF are you buying whipping
> cream... only reason I can think is you enjoy hubby licking it off
> your vital parts... and whipped cream doesn't have to be vanilla, can
> be any flavor, maybe hubby would enjoy licking a good scotch.
> Did yoose know you can shave your sensitive lady parts with whipped
> cream...
>


Popeye, do yoose eat dat cream after yoose shaves yoose wife?

Do the hairs get caught between yoose teeth?



Ophelia[_16_] 30-08-2018 08:55 PM

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Sheldon wrote



All the time. I never buy roast beef from the deli, it's injected
with who knows what and too heavily seasoned on the surface... and
will cost at least double the price of roasting one yourself. And
deli roast beef is way too fatty. It's no work at all to prepare
roast beef at home... only reason I can think why people buy roast
beef at the deli is they can't use a knife.
I do my own roast pork too, for sandwiches a boneless pork loin is
perfect. However my favorite roast is a fresh ham, the king of
roasts. Only I don't buy one often as even a half is too much for
just the two of us, so it's a company dish. Roast fresh ham is the
most festive holiday cut there is... a fresh ham puts a cured ham to
shame. In the US most hams are cured because they can keep a long
time. Fresh ham needs to be cooked and eaten right away, freezing
ruins it.
Shank Half:
https://postimg.cc/image/eh93654dp/
Delicious:
https://postimg.cc/image/nqb9g82z1/
Butt half:
https://postimg.cc/image/vvtbegbt9/
A fantastic roast:
https://postimg.cc/image/zff94hc0t/

==

I can't show you mine because they are already roasted, sliced and in the
freezer

I have beef, pork and ham (which of course was gammon)


[email protected][_2_] 30-08-2018 09:01 PM

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On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 2:44:57 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> Why ruin good homemade chicken stock with
> chemical laden cream... use chicken boullion.
>
>

Bouillon is laden with salt.


Cindy Hamilton[_2_] 30-08-2018 09:14 PM

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On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 4:01:22 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 2:44:57 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> > Why ruin good homemade chicken stock with
> > chemical laden cream... use chicken boullion.
> >
> >

> Bouillon is laden with salt.


So is my homemade chicken stock.

Cindy Hamilton

[email protected][_2_] 30-08-2018 09:18 PM

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On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 3:14:55 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 4:01:22 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 2:44:57 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > >
> > > Why ruin good homemade chicken stock with
> > > chemical laden cream... use chicken boullion.
> > >
> > >

> > Bouillon is laden with salt.

>
> So is my homemade chicken stock.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Don't get me wrong as I'm a firm believer in salt, but does yours have as
much as one of those bouillon cubes?


Cindy Hamilton[_2_] 30-08-2018 09:43 PM

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On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 4:18:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 3:14:55 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 4:01:22 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 2:44:57 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Why ruin good homemade chicken stock with
> > > > chemical laden cream... use chicken boullion.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Bouillon is laden with salt.

> >
> > So is my homemade chicken stock.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >

> Don't get me wrong as I'm a firm believer in salt, but does yours have as
> much as one of those bouillon cubes?


Maybe.

If you reconstituted the cube with a cup of water it probably would
be as salty as my broth. I haven't had bouillon in a long time.

Cindy Hamilton

[email protected][_2_] 30-08-2018 10:04 PM

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On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 4:18:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >
> > > > Bouillon is laden with salt.
> > >
> > > So is my homemade chicken stock.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >

> > Don't get me wrong as I'm a firm believer in salt, but does yours have as
> > much as one of those bouillon cubes?

>
> Maybe.
>
> If you reconstituted the cube with a cup of water it probably would
> be as salty as my broth. I haven't had bouillon in a long time.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I think those store bought bouillon cubes just sit next to a chicken and
the cube itself is just an escaped salt block that cows love.

;-)



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