On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 14:48:01 -0500, heyjoe >
wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 13:03:20 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 12:41:24 -0500, Terry Coombs >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 7/28/2018 9:17 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> The really scary part is that these ugly, vicious
>>>> children will grow up and I can't imagine the kind of adults they will
>>>> make.
>>>
>>> * They'll be liberals .
>>
>> Now there's a different point of view. I am sure they will be
>> conservatives
>
>IF they grow up, they will be criminals.

good answer!!!

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 3:35:02 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:

> Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
> are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(

You're probably right about that but my son was diagnosed as being neurologically atypical i.e., a high functioning autistic. As it goes, the teachers didn't have a handle on how to deal with my son so I took him out of that environment. I don't regret it for a second. What I do regret is that I wasn't able to do the same for my first son. I should have stood up and protected him more. Hopefully, he won't hold that against his old man.

Druce wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:35:00 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-07-28 4:36 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing sure about it. Learning socialization skills with other kids is something that one typically has to give up
>>> when home schooling. It is an important consideration when deciding to
>>> do it or not. I pulled my son out of school to keep him away from
>>> teachers that were clueless. I regret that it also kept him away from
>>> other kids. That's the breaks.
>>>
>>> When we seriously considered home-schooling, that socially-limiting
>>> aspect was the main reason we decided not to.
>>>
>>> Janet UK.
>>>
>> Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
>> are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(
>
> Don't you have fundamentalist schools where they teach creationism? Or
> is that more an American thing?
>

No countries are free from church indoctrination. It is as old as the
first tribal chief screwing over the tribe to get extra bones to put in
his nose.

In the US, we have many, many church schools. There is one on every
corner in the buybull belt (deep south). Some are very harsh and strict.
All are owned and run by a particular church, like say a baptist church.
Very, very profitable. The parents must pay large tuition to the church
(which, of course is tax free income for churches under US laws ...
because Jeabus

This enables both the parents and their children to be accepted into
heaven. Everyone else simply goes to hell and roasts in eternal flames

The children are indoctrinated, starting with preschool, and continuing
through high school graduation. Anything that isn't pure Jeasus is pure
sin. Two of my grandchildren went to a church school. One has graduated,
but the youngest is still incarcerated at the baptist school.

On 2018-07-28 6:29 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Druce wrote:
>
>>> Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
>>> are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(
>>
>> Don't you have fundamentalist schools where they teach creationism? Or
>> is that more an American thing?
>>
>
> No countries are free from church indoctrination. It is as old as the
> first tribal chief screwing over the tribe to get extra bones to put in
> his nose.
>
> In the US, we have many, many church schools. There is one on every
> corner in the buybull belt (deep south). Some are very harsh and strict.
> All are owned and run by a particular church, like say a baptist church.
> Very, very profitable. The parents must pay large tuition to the church
> (which, of course is tax free income for churches under US laws ...
> because Jeabus

A fundie school tried that dodge here! Parents gave to fund
scholarships, getting a tax break, but it was really a way of paying the
fees. The CRA put a stop to that!

>
> This enables both the parents and their children to be accepted into
> heaven. Everyone else simply goes to hell and roasts in eternal flames
>
> The children are indoctrinated, starting with preschool, and continuing
> through high school graduation. Anything that isn't pure Jeasus is pure
> sin. Two of my grandchildren went to a church school. One has graduated,
> but the youngest is still incarcerated at the baptist school.
>
Parents say they have the right to do this but surely the kids have a
right to a decent education.

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 7:30:01 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> In the US, we have many, many church schools. There is one on every
> corner in the buybull belt (deep south). Some are very harsh and strict.
> All are owned and run by a particular church, like say a baptist church.
> Very, very profitable. The parents must pay large tuition to the church
> (which, of course is tax free income for churches under US laws ...
> because Jeabus
>
> This enables both the parents and their children to be accepted into
> heaven. Everyone else simply goes to hell and roasts in eternal flames
>
> The children are indoctrinated, starting with preschool, and continuing
> through high school graduation. Anything that isn't pure Jeasus is pure
> sin. Two of my grandchildren went to a church school. One has graduated,
> but the youngest is still incarcerated at the baptist school.
>
>
Hmmmmm, one of my co-workers went to a private Catholic school even though
she nor her parents were/are Catholic. She certainly wasn't indoctrinated
and will tell you in a heartbeat she is not nor never has been a Catholic.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 19:29:54 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Druce wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:35:00 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-07-28 4:36 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's nothing sure about it. Learning socialization skills with other kids is something that one typically has to give up
>>>> when home schooling. It is an important consideration when deciding to
>>>> do it or not. I pulled my son out of school to keep him away from
>>>> teachers that were clueless. I regret that it also kept him away from
>>>> other kids. That's the breaks.
>>>>
>>>> When we seriously considered home-schooling, that socially-limiting
>>>> aspect was the main reason we decided not to.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK.
>>>>
>>> Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
>>> are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(
>>
>> Don't you have fundamentalist schools where they teach creationism? Or
>> is that more an American thing?
>>
>
>No countries are free from church indoctrination. It is as old as the
>first tribal chief screwing over the tribe to get extra bones to put in
>his nose.

Yes, they're everywhere. Their influence is stronger in some countries
than others, though. Take Arab countries. Brr.

(...)

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 19:06:21 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 7:30:01 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>
>> In the US, we have many, many church schools. There is one on every
>> corner in the buybull belt (deep south). Some are very harsh and strict.
>> All are owned and run by a particular church, like say a baptist church.
>> Very, very profitable. The parents must pay large tuition to the church
>> (which, of course is tax free income for churches under US laws ...
>> because Jeabus
>>
>> This enables both the parents and their children to be accepted into
>> heaven. Everyone else simply goes to hell and roasts in eternal flames
>>
>> The children are indoctrinated, starting with preschool, and continuing
>> through high school graduation. Anything that isn't pure Jeasus is pure
>> sin. Two of my grandchildren went to a church school. One has graduated,
>> but the youngest is still incarcerated at the baptist school.
>>
>>
>Hmmmmm, one of my co-workers went to a private Catholic school even though
>she nor her parents were/are Catholic. She certainly wasn't indoctrinated
>and will tell you in a heartbeat she is not nor never has been a Catholic.

Where we used to live, parents had a choice between a Catholic school
with a good reputation and a public school that was rather feral. Many
non Catholics sent their children to the Catholic school.

"Cheri" wrote in message news

> I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>
> Cheri
=====

I had never heard of 'diagramming a sentence, either in school, grammar
school or uni!!! I had to look it up!

We did stuff like subject, object, verb etc Basics of grammar but that one
is new to me

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 10:45:53 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Cheri" wrote in message news >
>
>> I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>>
>> Cheri
>=====
>
>I had never heard of 'diagramming a sentence, either in school, grammar
>school or uni!!! I had to look it up!

It was new to me too. Diagramming sounds more like math to me. They
have developed such a quaint language over there!

"Druce" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 10:45:53 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Cheri" wrote in message news >
>
>> I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>>
>> Cheri
>=====
>
>I had never heard of 'diagramming a sentence, either in school, grammar
>school or uni!!! I had to look it up!

It was new to me too. Diagramming sounds more like math to me. They
have developed such a quaint language over there!

==

Yes, it sounds like math to me too.

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 9:56:54 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> On 2018-07-28 6:29 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> > Druce wrote:
> >
> >>> Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
> >>> are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(
> >>
> >> Don't you have fundamentalist schools where they teach creationism? Or
> >> is that more an American thing?
> >>
> >
> > No countries are free from church indoctrination. It is as old as the
> > first tribal chief screwing over the tribe to get extra bones to put in
> > his nose.
> >
> > In the US, we have many, many church schools. There is one on every
> > corner in the buybull belt (deep south). Some are very harsh and strict.
> > All are owned and run by a particular church, like say a baptist church.
> > Very, very profitable. The parents must pay large tuition to the church
> > (which, of course is tax free income for churches under US laws ...
> > because Jeabus
>
> A fundie school tried that dodge here! Parents gave to fund
> scholarships, getting a tax break, but it was really a way of paying the
> fees. The CRA put a stop to that!
>
> >
> > This enables both the parents and their children to be accepted into
> > heaven. Everyone else simply goes to hell and roasts in eternal flames
> >
> > The children are indoctrinated, starting with preschool, and continuing
> > through high school graduation. Anything that isn't pure Jeasus is pure
> > sin. Two of my grandchildren went to a church school. One has graduated,
> > but the youngest is still incarcerated at the baptist school.
> >
> Parents say they have the right to do this but surely the kids have a
> right to a decent education.

Children in public schools don't have a right to a decent education,
either. Most of them get an adequate education. Far too many get
virtually no education whatsoever; it's just a warehouse until the
criminal justice system takes over.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/29/2018 3:38 AM, Druce wrote:

>
> Where we used to live, parents had a choice between a Catholic school
> with a good reputation and a public school that was rather feral. Many
> non Catholics sent their children to the Catholic school.
>

We grew up in Philadelphia that had a large Catholic school system. It
was ranked one of the top few in the country while the public school
system was ranked near the bottom.

I didn't really care for school at the time, but now I'm grateful for a
good education.

On 2018-07-29 5:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 9:56:54 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-07-28 6:29 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>> Druce wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
>>>>> are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(
>>>>
>>>> Don't you have fundamentalist schools where they teach creationism? Or
>>>> is that more an American thing?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No countries are free from church indoctrination. It is as old as the
>>> first tribal chief screwing over the tribe to get extra bones to put in
>>> his nose.
>>>
>>> In the US, we have many, many church schools. There is one on every
>>> corner in the buybull belt (deep south). Some are very harsh and strict.
>>> All are owned and run by a particular church, like say a baptist church.
>>> Very, very profitable. The parents must pay large tuition to the church
>>> (which, of course is tax free income for churches under US laws ...
>>> because Jeabus
>>
>> A fundie school tried that dodge here! Parents gave to fund
>> scholarships, getting a tax break, but it was really a way of paying the
>> fees. The CRA put a stop to that!
>>
>>>
>>> This enables both the parents and their children to be accepted into
>>> heaven. Everyone else simply goes to hell and roasts in eternal flames
>>>
>>> The children are indoctrinated, starting with preschool, and continuing
>>> through high school graduation. Anything that isn't pure Jeasus is pure
>>> sin. Two of my grandchildren went to a church school. One has graduated,
>>> but the youngest is still incarcerated at the baptist school.
>>>
>> Parents say they have the right to do this but surely the kids have a
>> right to a decent education.
>
> Children in public schools don't have a right to a decent education,
> either. Most of them get an adequate education. Far too many get
> virtually no education whatsoever; it's just a warehouse until the
> criminal justice system takes over.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
and in some States this is hardly surprising when the teachers have to
work second jobs to make ends meet!

On 2018-07-29 3:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Cheri"* wrote in message news >
>
>> I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>>
>> Cheri
> =====
>
> I had never heard of 'diagramming a sentence, either in school, grammar
> school or uni!!!* I had to look it up!
>
> We did stuff like subject, object, verb etc** Basics of grammar but that
> one
> is new to me

We called that "clause analysis."

"graham" wrote in message news
On 2018-07-29 3:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
>
>> I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>>
>> Cheri
> =====
>
> I had never heard of 'diagramming a sentence, either in school, grammar
> school or uni!!! I had to look it up!
>
> We did stuff like subject, object, verb etc Basics of grammar but that
> one
> is new to me

We called that "clause analysis."

==

We did? i can't remember that.

Janet wrote:
>
> When we seriously considered home-schooling, that socially-limiting
> aspect was the main reason we decided not to.

The social aspect was always my biggest problem with
home-schooling.
Also, just how qualified and dedicated are the home parents to
home-school properly.

I know one family...boy started Kindergarten and disrupted class
each day as he was probably just a spoiled little kid that could
do no wrong. When the school called them in, they got mad and
just yanked him out of school to do home schooling.

Personally, if it was my kid, I would have laid down the law and
told him to get his ass back in school and behave or else. I told
them that too.

Anyway, they kept him home that year and taught him nothing. Next
year they put him back in school and because he wasn't
home-schooled, he started Kindergarten again. He'll always be a
year behind now.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
>
>> I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>>
>> Cheri
> =====
>
> I had never heard of 'diagramming a sentence, either in school, grammar
> school or uni!!! I had to look it up!
>
> We did stuff like subject, object, verb etc Basics of grammar but that
> one
> is new to me

I always thought it was stupid, still do.

Cheri

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>Children in public schools don't have a right to a decent education,
>either. Most of them get an adequate education. Far too many get
>virtually no education whatsoever; it's just a warehouse until the
>criminal justice system takes over.

Regardless which type of school success depends mostly on parental
behavior. Public schools work very well when a student's parents take
an interest in their education. Nowadays way too many parents are too
involved with their own activities so pay little to no attention to
their children's education... instead they leave it all to the school
and are quick to blame the school for failures when in fact it's the
fault of irresponsible parenting. Today with both parents working or
single parent homes there is no one to monitor children... instead it
comes down to the spoiled little brats monitoring/directing the
parents, a fine example of the tail wagging the dog.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
>
>> I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>>
>> Cheri
> =====
>
> I had never heard of 'diagramming a sentence, either in school, grammar
> school or uni!!! I had to look it up!
>
> We did stuff like subject, object, verb etc Basics of grammar but that
> one
> is new to me

I always thought it was stupid, still do.

Cheri

==

Oh dear ... well I wouldn't go that far but it i must admit, it does sound
rather odd

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>>
>>> I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>> =====
>>
>> I had never heard of 'diagramming a sentence, either in school, grammar
>> school or uni!!! I had to look it up!
>>
>> We did stuff like subject, object, verb etc Basics of grammar but that
>> one
>> is new to me
>
> I always thought it was stupid, still do.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Oh dear ... well I wouldn't go that far but it i must admit, it does
> sound
> rather odd

There's a reason why it's not used anymore.

Cheri

wrote:
>
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >Children in public schools don't have a right to a decent education,
> >either. Most of them get an adequate education. Far too many get
> >virtually no education whatsoever; it's just a warehouse until the
> >criminal justice system takes over.
>
> Regardless which type of school success depends mostly on parental
> behavior. Public schools work very well when a student's parents take
> an interest in their education. Nowadays way too many parents are too
> involved with their own activities so pay little to no attention to
> their children's education... instead they leave it all to the school
> and are quick to blame the school for failures when in fact it's the
> fault of irresponsible parenting. Today with both parents working or
> single parent homes there is no one to monitor children... instead it
> comes down to the spoiled little brats monitoring/directing the
> parents, a fine example of the tail wagging the dog.

+ 100%
I agree there Sheldon with all you said. It's very true. I was
involved in the elementary school years of my daughter and saw
first-hand how parents didn't give a damn. If there was a
problem, they blamed the teachers. That wasn't true at all.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...

> I agree there Sheldon with all you said. It's very true. I was
> involved in the elementary school years of my daughter and saw
> first-hand how parents didn't give a damn. If there was a
> problem, they blamed the teachers. That wasn't true at all.


A lot of them blame everything and everyone but themselves for their lazy
parenting.

Cheri

On 7/29/2018 10:28 AM, wrote:

> Regardless which type of school success depends mostly on parental
> behavior. Public schools work very well when a student's parents take
> an interest in their education. Nowadays way too many parents are too
> involved with their own activities so pay little to no attention to
> their children's education... instead they leave it all to the school
> and are quick to blame the school for failures when in fact it's the
> fault of irresponsible parenting. Today with both parents working or
> single parent homes there is no one to monitor children... instead it
> comes down to the spoiled little brats monitoring/directing the
> parents, a fine example of the tail wagging the dog.
>

Very true. The Viet Nam was was harmful to the schools too. Why, you
ask? If you were in college to become a teacher you were exempt from
the draft. Many young guys became teachers not from a desire to help
kids learn but to get out of the draft. Later they progressed and some
became the school administrators that gutted any form of discipline the
good teachers had.

Fortunately, I think it has turned a bit. Teachers are getting a better
wage in many states so they can afford to be in a career they really
want.

On 2018-07-29 10:56 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I agree there Sheldon with all you said. It's very true. I was
>> involved in the elementary school years of my daughter and saw
>> first-hand how parents didn't give a damn. If there was a
>> problem, they blamed the teachers. That wasn't true at all.
>
>
> A lot of them blame everything and everyone but themselves for their
> lazy parenting.

It is sometimes hard for teachers to appreciate each of their 30 or more
students and to see how very special each of them is in their own way.
They have their little world to deal with and don't always appreciate
what they don't understand. When my son was first leaning his ABCs he
came home with a test paper on which something had been marked wrong. It
had pictures and he was supposed to print the first letter of the name
of the thing. One of them was a one eyed creature and the correct answer
was C for Cyclops. He and written P for Polyphemus. If the teacher was
as bright as he was she might have given him bonus marks.

On 2018-07-29 11:18 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Very true.Â* The Viet Nam was was harmful to the schools too.Â* Why, you
> ask?Â* If you were in college to become a teacher you were exempt from
> the draft.Â* Many young guys became teachers not from a desire to help
> kids learn but to get out of the draft.Â* Later they progressed and some
> became the school administrators that gutted any form of discipline the
> good teachers had.
>
> Fortunately, I think it has turned a bit.Â* Teachers are getting a better
> wage in many states so they can afford to be in a career they really want.

Teachers up are well paid. In some cases they are overpaid. They have to
have a university degree, even for elementary school, and their pay grid
gives higher pay for higher degrees even if they have nothing to do with
the classes and levels they are teaching.

Admissions standards to get into teaching are pretty demanding. Franky,
given the grades they expect, I would expect that people with marks like
that would be aiming for medicine or law.

On 2018-07-29 9:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-07-29 11:18 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Very true.Â* The Viet Nam was was harmful to the schools too.Â* Why, you
>> ask?Â* If you were in college to become a teacher you were exempt from
>> the draft.Â* Many young guys became teachers not from a desire to help
>> kids learn but to get out of the draft.Â* Later they progressed and
>> some became the school administrators that gutted any form of
>> discipline the good teachers had.
>>
>> Fortunately, I think it has turned a bit.Â* Teachers are getting a
>> better wage in many states so they can afford to be in a career they
>> really want.
>
> Teachers up are well paid. In some cases they are overpaid. They have to
> have a university degree, even for elementary school, and their pay grid
> gives higher pay for higher degrees even if they have nothing to do with
> the classes and levels they are teaching.
>
> Admissions standards to get into teaching are pretty demanding.

I seriously doubt that given the grammar used by some teachers being
interviewed on the radio.

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 10:29:04 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >Children in public schools don't have a right to a decent education,
> >either. Most of them get an adequate education. Far too many get
> >virtually no education whatsoever; it's just a warehouse until the
> >criminal justice system takes over.
>
> Regardless which type of school success depends mostly on parental
> behavior. Public schools work very well when a student's parents take
> an interest in their education. Nowadays way too many parents are too
> involved with their own activities so pay little to no attention to
> their children's education... instead they leave it all to the school
> and are quick to blame the school for failures when in fact it's the
> fault of irresponsible parenting. Today with both parents working or
> single parent homes there is no one to monitor children... instead it
> comes down to the spoiled little brats monitoring/directing the
> parents, a fine example of the tail wagging the dog.

I grew up in a single-parent household. My mother made it very clear
to me that my job was to learn everything I could and bring home
straight A's.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 11:18:41 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/29/2018 10:28 AM, wrote:
>
> > Regardless which type of school success depends mostly on parental
> > behavior. Public schools work very well when a student's parents take
> > an interest in their education. Nowadays way too many parents are too
> > involved with their own activities so pay little to no attention to
> > their children's education... instead they leave it all to the school
> > and are quick to blame the school for failures when in fact it's the
> > fault of irresponsible parenting. Today with both parents working or
> > single parent homes there is no one to monitor children... instead it
> > comes down to the spoiled little brats monitoring/directing the
> > parents, a fine example of the tail wagging the dog.
> >
>
> Very true. The Viet Nam was was harmful to the schools too.

As was feminism. When the best options for women were nurse,
secretary, or teacher, it was a very attractive choice for
intelligent women who didn't want to fight hard enough to become
doctors, executives, or professors.

Not, you know, that I want to go back to that. Just sayin'.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 6:24:52 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> As was feminism. When the best options for women were nurse,
> secretary, or teacher, it was a very attractive choice for
> intelligent women who didn't want to fight hard enough to become
> doctors, executives, or professors.
>
> Not, you know, that I want to go back to that. Just sayin'.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

That was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyBmCASoJ64

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/29/2018 3:38 AM, Druce wrote:
>
>>
>> Where we used to live, parents had a choice between a Catholic school
>> with a good reputation and a public school that was rather feral. Many
>> non Catholics sent their children to the Catholic school.
>>
>
> We grew up in Philadelphia that had a large Catholic school system. It
> was ranked one of the top few in the country while the public school
> system was ranked near the bottom.
>
> I didn't really care for school at the time, but now I'm grateful for a
> good education.

Yep, the catholic affiliates schools aren't too bad. Almost secular. The
schools that are the worst are usually stuff like southern baptist or
holiness, ect.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/29/2018 10:28 AM, wrote:
>
>> Regardless which type of school success depends mostly on parental
>> behavior. Public schools work very well when a student's parents take
>> an interest in their education. Nowadays way too many parents are too
>> involved with their own activities so pay little to no attention to
>> their children's education... instead they leave it all to the school
>> and are quick to blame the school for failures when in fact it's the
>> fault of irresponsible parenting. Today with both parents working or
>> single parent homes there is no one to monitor children... instead it
>> comes down to the spoiled little brats monitoring/directing the
>> parents, a fine example of the tail wagging the dog.
>>
>
> Very true. The Viet Nam was was harmful to the schools too. Why, you
> ask? If you were in college to become a teacher you were exempt from
> the draft. Many young guys became teachers not from a desire to help
> kids learn but to get out of the draft. Later they progressed and some
> became the school administrators that gutted any form of discipline the
> good teachers had.
>
> Fortunately, I think it has turned a bit. Teachers are getting a better
> wage in many states so they can afford to be in a career they really want.

Maybe my memory is bad, but I thought the draft deferment could be
obtained for any valid college student, not just education majors.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>>
>>> I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>> =====
>>
>> I had never heard of 'diagramming a sentence, either in school, grammar
>> school or uni!!! I had to look it up!
>>
>> We did stuff like subject, object, verb etc Basics of grammar but that
>> one
>> is new to me
>
> I always thought it was stupid, still do.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Oh dear ... well I wouldn't go that far but it i must admit, it does
> sound
> rather odd

There's a reason why it's not used anymore.

Cheri

==

Yers ... ;p

On 7/29/2018 2:21 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/29/2018 10:28 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless which type of school success depends mostly on parental
>>> behavior.Â* Public schools work very well when a student's parents take
>>> an interest in their education.Â* Nowadays way too many parents are too
>>> involved with their own activities so pay little to no attention to
>>> their children's education... instead they leave it all to the school
>>> and are quick to blame the school for failures when in fact it's the
>>> fault of irresponsible parenting.Â* Today with both parents working or
>>> single parent homes there is no one to monitor children... instead it
>>> comes down to the spoiled little brats monitoring/directing the
>>> parents, a fine example of the tail wagging the dog.
>>>
>>
>> Very true.Â* The Viet Nam was was harmful to the schools too.Â* Why, you
>> ask?Â* If you were in college to become a teacher you were exempt from
>> the draft.Â* Many young guys became teachers not from a desire to help
>> kids learn but to get out of the draft.Â* Later they progressed and some
>> became the school administrators that gutted any form of discipline the
>> good teachers had.
>>
>> Fortunately, I think it has turned a bit.Â* Teachers are getting a better
>> wage in many states so they can afford to be in a career they really
>> want.
>
> Maybe my memory is bad, but I thought the draft deferment could be
> obtained for any valid college student, not just education majors.
>
>
Going from memory, anyone could get a college deferment, but certain
occupations were deferred or exempted too. If you had the right job.
and I believe teacher was one of them, you were exempted. My brother
was a civilian engineer employed by the Navy and he was exempted. My
father was never called in WWII because of his job critical to materials
needed for the war. He even got a higher gas ration too as he was
always on call.

"Hank Rogers" wrote in message news
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/29/2018 3:38 AM, Druce wrote:
>
>>
>> Where we used to live, parents had a choice between a Catholic school
>> with a good reputation and a public school that was rather feral. Many
>> non Catholics sent their children to the Catholic school.
>>
>
> We grew up in Philadelphia that had a large Catholic school system. It
> was ranked one of the top few in the country while the public school
> system was ranked near the bottom.
>
> I didn't really care for school at the time, but now I'm grateful for a
> good education.

Yep, the catholic affiliates schools aren't too bad. Almost secular. The
schools that are the worst are usually stuff like southern baptist or
holiness, ect.

==

My school was a Catholic schoo. It was very a very good school but there
was quite a bit of religion too.

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 6:47:26 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Children in public schools don't have a right to a decent education,
> either. Most of them get an adequate education. Far too many get
> virtually no education whatsoever; it's just a warehouse until the
> criminal justice system takes over.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
I can believe that. I don't think they even teach civics anymore or if
they do it's just a short lesson and just touch on the subject.

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 3:56:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 6:47:26 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Children in public schools don't have a right to a decent education,
> > either. Most of them get an adequate education. Far too many get
> > virtually no education whatsoever; it's just a warehouse until the
> > criminal justice system takes over.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >
> I can believe that. I don't think they even teach civics anymore or if
> they do it's just a short lesson and just touch on the subject.

One of the best classes on civics basically in high school was a class called "You and The Law" which our wonderful teacher Ms Summa told is the first say of class this was NOT a class in "how to beat the cops", it was all about The Law, how it applied to us and how we could work best with it. Of course it was taught in an all White Privileged wealthy school district do all we had to do was act politely and follow the rules.

Fat chance if you were not blessed with White Privilege! :-(

I HATE my race! :-(

John Kuthe...

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 14:05:35 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 3:56:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 6:47:26 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > Children in public schools don't have a right to a decent education,
>> > either. Most of them get an adequate education. Far too many get
>> > virtually no education whatsoever; it's just a warehouse until the
>> > criminal justice system takes over.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> >
>> I can believe that. I don't think they even teach civics anymore or if
>> they do it's just a short lesson and just touch on the subject.
>
>One of the best classes on civics basically in high school was a class called "You and The Law" which our wonderful teacher Ms Summa told is the first say of class this was NOT a class in "how to beat the cops", it was all about The Law, how it applied to us and how we could work best with it. Of course it was taught in an all White Privileged wealthy school district do all we had to do was act politely and follow the rules.
>
>Fat chance if you were not blessed with White Privilege! :-(
>
>I HATE my race! :-(

Don't you like to be privileged? I think it's cool. I want more
privilege!

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 4:05:39 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 3:56:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >
> > I don't think they even teach civics anymore or if
> > they do it's just a short lesson and just touch on the subject.
>
> One of the best classes on civics basically in high school was a class called "You and The Law" which our wonderful teacher Ms Summa told is the first say of class this was NOT a class in "how to beat the cops", it was all about The Law, how it applied to us and how we could work best with it. Of course it was taught in an all White Privileged wealthy school district do all we had to do was act politely and follow the rules.
>
> Fat chance if you were not blessed with White Privilege! :-(
>
> I HATE my race! :-(
>
> John Kuthe€¦
>
>
Our civics class was on how the government works, the three branches, the
courts, voting, etc.

I don't hate my race nor do I hate black, Latinos, Orientals, Martians,
etc. All races have knuckleheaded idiot bigots; whites don't have the
monopoly on that, no race does.

On 2018-07-29 4:55 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 6:47:26 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Children in public schools don't have a right to a decent education,
>> either. Most of them get an adequate education. Far too many get
>> virtually no education whatsoever; it's just a warehouse until the
>> criminal justice system takes over.
>>
> I can believe that. I don't think they even teach civics anymore or if
> they do it's just a short lesson and just touch on the subject.


I am starting to think that they should be some sort of test before
people are allowed to vote. To many people know far to little about
government and issues to have a say in anything. I had a prime example
just before our last federal election when a woman I know was carrying
on about how Harper and the Conservatives care only about the rich and
cited our Tax Free Savings accounts as an example. She said that only
the rich can open one because you have to start with a minimum of
$200,000. That was utter BS. There was no $200K minimum. There was a
maximum of $5000 annual contribution.

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 18:09:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-07-29 4:55 PM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 6:47:26 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> Children in public schools don't have a right to a decent education,
>>> either. Most of them get an adequate education. Far too many get
>>> virtually no education whatsoever; it's just a warehouse until the
>>> criminal justice system takes over.
>>>
>> I can believe that. I don't think they even teach civics anymore or if
>> they do it's just a short lesson and just touch on the subject.
>
>
>I am starting to think that they should be some sort of test before
>people are allowed to vote. To many people know far to little about
>government and issues to have a say in anything.

That wouldn't be fair, because Trump would never have been elected if
people had to pass that test. We'd miss out on the most entertaining
US president eva!