On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:39:41 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 8:16:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>...
>>
>> That's good, of course but they re only seeing the good parts of life.
>> For a well rounded education and to be prepared for the future, you
>> really need exposure to some of the other side. Not to join in, but if
>> you see it and how it works it can give you the incentive to do better
>> for yourself. If not, turned loose at 21 or so they can really make a
>> mess of things.
>
>Yep, according to the legend that's why Gautama Buddha left his wealthy sheltered life as a youth to seek knowledge and experience of the world outside.

Lol, thanks Johnny.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:51:39 PM UTC-10, wrote:
>
>> See my reply to Janet.
>
> I don't have any opinion on socializing kids. That's up to the parents to
> decide. I'm done with all that.

===

Me too, and glad to be. I would not want to raise kids in this day and age
at all.

Cheri

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 8:12:39 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> ===
>
> Me too, and glad to be. I would not want to raise kids in this day and age
> at all.
>
> Cheri

Now that I think about it, I am still doing socialization training. When playing with the grand-kids, it is important to teach them how to maintain eye-contact with others. This is a skill that should be learned at an early age. Some kids will do it naturally, others won't. Well, that's my theory anyway.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 01:21:53 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 8:12:39 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> ===
>>
>> Me too, and glad to be. I would not want to raise kids in this day and age
>> at all.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>Now that I think about it, I am still doing socialization training. When playing with the grand-kids, it is important to teach them how to maintain eye-contact with others. This is a skill that should be learned at an early age. Some kids will do it naturally, others won't. Well, that's my theory anyway.

"Was grandad looking at you funny too?"

In article >,
says...
>
> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>
> >
> > They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
> >
> > Janet
> >
>
> There's nothing sure about it. Learning socialization skills with other kids is something that one typically has to give up
when home schooling. It is an important consideration when deciding to
do it or not. I pulled my son out of school to keep him away from
teachers that were clueless. I regret that it also kept him away from
other kids. That's the breaks.

When we seriously considered home-schooling, that socially-limiting
aspect was the main reason we decided not to.

Janet UK.

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:46:00 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > Just the term "be socialized" reminds me of something they do with
> > puppies at the dog park, not people. Not so sure how good home
> > schooling really is for some kids. They need real life exposure.
>
> Some of the posters here have a serious lack of social skills. It's surprising to see adults act this way. They need to go back to school.

I'm sure we all have sufficient social skills in person. There's something
about being at the other end of a long wire that releases people from their
inhibitions.

Namaste.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:55:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/27/2018 7:29 PM, Druce wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 00:09:31 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 12:41:58 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My brother has two little boys named Kenneth and Nicholas. They were
>>>>>> adamant when each was born they were not be called Kenny or Nicky.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with that :-) By the time our boys reached High school they
>>>>> had instructed all their friends and teachers to use the diminutives
>>>>> we'd so carefully avoided, and they still use them.
>>>>>
>>>> They're being home schooled.
>>>
>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>
>> You mean play dates where they read Shakespeare together?
>>
>
>Just the term "be socialized" reminds me of something they do with
>puppies at the dog park, not people. Not so sure how good home
>schooling really is for some kids. They need real life exposure.

I know I would not have appreciated missing my school days - the
knocks, the friendships, fun, punishment the whole shebang.

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 5:37:00 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
....
> I'm sure we all have sufficient social skills in person. There's something
> about being at the other end of a long wire that releases people from their
> inhibitions.
>
> Namaste.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Too far away to slap silly! ;-)

John Kuthe...

"Hank Rogers" wrote in message news
Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Druce" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 14:41:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> wrote in message ...
>>
>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:17:09 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 12:30:35 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're not the first redneck here who refers to their wife as THE
>>>> wife... maybe you're THE wife... Terry is a female name, a nick for
>>>> Teresa.
>>>>
>>> It's also a nickname for Terence/Terrence; hence Terry.
>>
>> I never met anyone named Terence/Terrence. Terry is a towel.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Rubbish. Terry is a well known men's name in UK.
>
> Terry Wogan.
>
> ===
>
>
> Yes, well known but no longer with us
>
>

Did Popeye hunt Terry down and kill him?

Do tell, fair Lady.

==

Nahhh he got the big C unfortunately ... although that isn't to say that
didn't happen to someone else ;p

On 2018-07-28 4:36 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>
>>> Janet
>>>
>>
>> There's nothing sure about it. Learning socialization skills with other kids is something that one typically has to give up
> when home schooling. It is an important consideration when deciding to
> do it or not. I pulled my son out of school to keep him away from
> teachers that were clueless. I regret that it also kept him away from
> other kids. That's the breaks.
>
> When we seriously considered home-schooling, that socially-limiting
> aspect was the main reason we decided not to.
>
> Janet UK.
>
Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:35:00 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-07-28 4:36 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>>
>>>> Janet
>>>>
>>>
>>> There's nothing sure about it. Learning socialization skills with other kids is something that one typically has to give up
>> when home schooling. It is an important consideration when deciding to
>> do it or not. I pulled my son out of school to keep him away from
>> teachers that were clueless. I regret that it also kept him away from
>> other kids. That's the breaks.
>>
>> When we seriously considered home-schooling, that socially-limiting
>> aspect was the main reason we decided not to.
>>
>> Janet UK.
>>
>Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
>are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(

That wouldn't be so awful, however it's the home-schooled kids who
entertain themselves by pulling the wings off butterflies and use BB
guns on dogs.... isolating kids is what produces sick little *******s
who as adults become the rapists, serial killers, and arsonists.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:45:19 -0300, wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:55:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 7/27/2018 7:29 PM, Druce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 00:09:31 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 12:41:58 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My brother has two little boys named Kenneth and Nicholas. They were
>>>>>>> adamant when each was born they were not be called Kenny or Nicky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck with that :-) By the time our boys reached High school they
>>>>>> had instructed all their friends and teachers to use the diminutives
>>>>>> we'd so carefully avoided, and they still use them.
>>>>>>
>>>>> They're being home schooled.
>>>>
>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>
>>> You mean play dates where they read Shakespeare together?
>>>
>>
>>Just the term "be socialized" reminds me of something they do with
>>puppies at the dog park, not people. Not so sure how good home
>>schooling really is for some kids. They need real life exposure.
>
>I know I would not have appreciated missing my school days - the
>knocks, the friendships, fun, punishment the whole shebang.

I'm glad that I am not raising children now. School seems pretty
vicious, especially if a child has to commit suicide to get away from
schoolmates. The really scary part is that these ugly, vicious
children will grow up and I can't imagine the kind of adults they will
make.

"U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:45:19 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:55:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 7/27/2018 7:29 PM, Druce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 00:09:31 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 12:41:58 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My brother has two little boys named Kenneth and Nicholas. They
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> adamant when each was born they were not be called Kenny or Nicky.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck with that :-) By the time our boys reached High school
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> had instructed all their friends and teachers to use the diminutives
>>>>>>> we'd so carefully avoided, and they still use them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're being home schooled.
>>>>>
>>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>>
>>>> You mean play dates where they read Shakespeare together?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Just the term "be socialized" reminds me of something they do with
>>>puppies at the dog park, not people. Not so sure how good home
>>>schooling really is for some kids. They need real life exposure.
>>
>>I know I would not have appreciated missing my school days - the
>>knocks, the friendships, fun, punishment the whole shebang.
>
> I'm glad that I am not raising children now. School seems pretty
> vicious, especially if a child has to commit suicide to get away from
> schoolmates. The really scary part is that these ugly, vicious
> children will grow up and I can't imagine the kind of adults they will
> make.


I'm with you there, and the endless bullying on social media of some
students goes unchecked in many cases, plus the powers that be can't keep
their noses out of every aspect of parenting these days, damned if you do,
damned if you don't.

Cheri

On 2018-07-28 10:17 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> I'm glad that I am not raising children now. School seems pretty
> vicious, especially if a child has to commit suicide to get away from
> schoolmates. The really scary part is that these ugly, vicious
> children will grow up and I can't imagine the kind of adults they will
> make.
>

A couple weeks ago there was a woman at the dog park who claimed to be
home schooling her kids. After a few days of her visits and listening to
her stories it became clear to me that she had some strange issues. She
was staying with her sister and could not understand why her sister kept
sending her adds for house and apartment rentals that were not suitable
for her. I suspected that the sister was trying to get rid of her. This
woman spend all day Saturday at the dog park because her sister was
working and she did not want to be there alone with the husband. There
must have been a story there.

She did not want to live in the town where her sister lives because it
is rural. She is concerned about gun violence. She explained that city
schools may be tough and that city kids may threaten to go home and get
a gun, but there is no gun to get, but that country kids have more
access to guns, so there is more chance of a kid in a rural area being
shot.

On 2018-07-28 10:29 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message


> I'm with you there, and the endless bullying on social media of some
> students goes unchecked in many cases, plus the powers that be can't
> keep their noses out of every aspect of parenting these days, damned if
> you do, damned if you don't.

Some of the victims are online bullying are the authors of their own
misfortune. They are so desperate for attention that they will spew all
sorts of nonsense just to get a reaction. There are a lot of social
media sites and and usenet groups and if there is too much heat they can
leave and find another.

There is one news group that I read where a woman is always whining that
the men are picking on her. Apparently the men are all bullies picking
on her because she is a woman. The guys see it differently. She has
some radical views and is extremely abrasive, rude and insulting. She
gets into heated arguments and resorts to lies. For instance, she will
post supposed cites, putting quotation marks around them, but will not
post the link. The reason she will not post the link is that she has
not just copy and pasted the material, but has edited it to suit her
argument. She has been caught doing that several times.

Most people learned to ignore her, and the best way to do that is to
filter her. Desperate to make a fool of herself, she nymshifts
frequently, sometime 3-4 times in a single week. She kept coming up
with new names that would slip past filters, but she is unable to avoid
that abrasive style that givers her away.



There was a case a few years ago of a teen girl who committed suicide
because of online bullying. The poor girl had such a need for attention
that she posted a video with neatly printed flash cards explaining how
she had been bullied. Even after deciding to end her life to escape
online bullying she went to a lot of effort to get some online attention.

On 7/28/2018 10:29 AM, Cheri wrote:

>
> I'm with you there, and the endless bullying on social media of some
> students goes unchecked in many cases, plus the powers that be can't
> keep their noses out of every aspect of parenting these days, damned if
> you do, damned if you don't.
>
> Cheri

Just look around at pretty much any internet forum. Just look at RFC.
The average age here is way more than high school but there is still a
lot of bullying going on.

The internet, as Al Gore intended it, is a wonderful tool. but it is
also used for evil. Facebook is the devil.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 11:12:07 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-07-28 10:29 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
>
>
>> I'm with you there, and the endless bullying on social media of some
>> students goes unchecked in many cases, plus the powers that be can't
>> keep their noses out of every aspect of parenting these days, damned if
>> you do, damned if you don't.
>
>Some of the victims are online bullying are the authors of their own
>misfortune. They are so desperate for attention that they will spew all
>sorts of nonsense just to get a reaction. There are a lot of social
>media sites and and usenet groups and if there is too much heat they can
>leave and find another.
snip
>
You live in a pretty comfortable world where everyone who suffers
misfortune has brought it on themselves.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 10:53:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-07-28 10:17 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> I'm glad that I am not raising children now. School seems pretty
>> vicious, especially if a child has to commit suicide to get away from
>> schoolmates. The really scary part is that these ugly, vicious
>> children will grow up and I can't imagine the kind of adults they will
>> make.
>>
>
>A couple weeks ago there was a woman at the dog park who claimed to be
>home schooling her kids. After a few days of her visits and listening to
>her stories it became clear to me that she had some strange issues. She
>was staying with her sister and could not understand why her sister kept
>sending her adds for house and apartment rentals that were not suitable
>for her. I suspected that the sister was trying to get rid of her. This
>woman spend all day Saturday at the dog park because her sister was
>working and she did not want to be there alone with the husband. There
>must have been a story there.
>
>She did not want to live in the town where her sister lives because it
>is rural. She is concerned about gun violence. She explained that city
>schools may be tough and that city kids may threaten to go home and get
>a gun, but there is no gun to get, but that country kids have more
>access to guns, so there is more chance of a kid in a rural area being
>shot.
>
Why do you even keep, remember and re-tell stories like this?

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 12:45:40 AM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>
> Yes, and without referring to Joan or her offspring, I think home
> schooling can be the product of extreme helicopter parents who want to
> make sure their children become exactly like them.
>
> It's different if the closest school is 150 miles away.
>
>
I can honestly say they are not helicopter parents but I do know of some
parents that are/were. They are just not happy with the basic skills
the local school system is teaching. They have even started to work with
the boys cousins in basic things like math and reading.

Of course, one of the boys would just as soon grow up to be a dummy and
never learn to read or write. He simply hated to learn to read, he'd
whine and cry, make a dozen excuses but my brother told him he can ****
and moan all he wants but he is going to learn these skills. Now he's
really mastering it and is reading books appropriate for his age. He's
just a kid and simply didn't see the need to learn to read, write, and
do math.

On 2018-07-28 11:37 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 11:12:07 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-07-28 10:29 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> I'm with you there, and the endless bullying on social media of some
>>> students goes unchecked in many cases, plus the powers that be can't
>>> keep their noses out of every aspect of parenting these days, damned if
>>> you do, damned if you don't.
>>
>> Some of the victims are online bullying are the authors of their own
>> misfortune. They are so desperate for attention that they will spew all
>> sorts of nonsense just to get a reaction. There are a lot of social
>> media sites and and usenet groups and if there is too much heat they can
>> leave and find another.
> snip
>>
> You live in a pretty comfortable world where everyone who suffers
> misfortune has brought it on themselves.

Perhaps you could learn to read a little better. I specifically said
"some" and gave examples.

On 7/28/2018 11:50 AM, wrote:

>
> Of course, one of the boys would just as soon grow up to be a dummy and
> never learn to read or write. He simply hated to learn to read, he'd
> whine and cry, make a dozen excuses but my brother told him he can ****
> and moan all he wants but he is going to learn these skills. Now he's
> really mastering it and is reading books appropriate for his age. He's
> just a kid and simply didn't see the need to learn to read, write, and
> do math.
>

I was not that bad but as a student I never understood the need to learn
History. It was just old stuff that means nothing today. The real
problem was, I never had a good history teacher. Teachers make a huge
difference in attitude.

Now I wish I had a time machine so I could go back to different times to
visit.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/28/2018 11:50 AM, wrote:
>
>>
>> Of course, one of the boys would just as soon grow up to be a dummy and
>> never learn to read or write. He simply hated to learn to read, he'd
>> whine and cry, make a dozen excuses but my brother told him he can ****
>> and moan all he wants but he is going to learn these skills. Now he's
>> really mastering it and is reading books appropriate for his age. He's
>> just a kid and simply didn't see the need to learn to read, write, and
>> do math.
>>
>
> I was not that bad but as a student I never understood the need to learn
> History. It was just old stuff that means nothing today. The real
> problem was, I never had a good history teacher. Teachers make a huge
> difference in attitude.
>
> Now I wish I had a time machine so I could go back to different times to
> visit.


I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.

Cheri

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I was not that bad but as a student I never understood the need to learn
> History. It was just old stuff that means nothing today. The real
> problem was, I never had a good history teacher. Teachers make a huge
> difference in attitude.
>
Oh wow, do I believe that! Some people are just not meant to be teachers
but I guess they can do no other job. Thankfully, I had great history
teachers and really enjoyed the subject. They get the whole class involved
in discussing what happened, why, and what if? Classes were always enjoyable.

I had some really awful English teachers and really struggled until I
went to high school. Great English teachers and I was able to breeze
through those classes with little to no effort. An able teacher makes
all the difference in the world, no matter what the subject is.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 11:51:24 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-07-28 11:37 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 11:12:07 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-07-28 10:29 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm with you there, and the endless bullying on social media of some
>>>> students goes unchecked in many cases, plus the powers that be can't
>>>> keep their noses out of every aspect of parenting these days, damned if
>>>> you do, damned if you don't.
>>>
>>> Some of the victims are online bullying are the authors of their own
>>> misfortune. They are so desperate for attention that they will spew all
>>> sorts of nonsense just to get a reaction. There are a lot of social
>>> media sites and and usenet groups and if there is too much heat they can
>>> leave and find another.
>> snip
>>>
>> You live in a pretty comfortable world where everyone who suffers
>> misfortune has brought it on themselves.
>
>Perhaps you could learn to read a little better. I specifically said
>"some" and gave examples.
>
That was really in response to your general attitude. I quit now.

On 2018-07-28 11:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/28/2018 11:50 AM, wrote:

> I was not that bad but as a student I never understood the need to learn
> History.Â* It was just old stuff that means nothing today.Â* The real
> problem was, I never had a good history teacher.Â* Teachers make a huge
> difference in attitude.

I had my first good history teacher when I was in Gr. 11 and it helped
me to develop an interest in history. I had a succession of teachers
could not teach music. Most of our elementary school music involved
singing. Boys were all supposed to sing alto because he had slightly
deeper voices and I can't remember them ever actually checking out
individual pitch.

It worse in high school. I opted to take instrumental music. We spent
most of our lessons trying out different instruments to see which were
most suited to. Around the end of November we were assigned instruments
and I was to play the clarinet. Then it was exam time and we moved to
another city. I missed a couple weeks of school because we arrived just
in time for their exams. Music was not taught at the nearest high
school so I had to go to one downtown. When I got to music class I found
out they were months ahead of what I had learned. And then my marks from
the old school arrived. I had earned <?> and F in music. I switched
schools and took art instead of music.

I later took a few guitar lessons and did well. I came back to it years
later and over the course of a few years and taught myself to play
piano, recorder, banjo and harmonica. I found a good book and learned a
lot of music theory. Eventually I learned how to pitch my voice. Not
bad for someone who got an F in Gr. 9 music. I think that it was my
teacher who failed.

On 7/28/2018 9:17 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:45:19 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:55:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/27/2018 7:29 PM, Druce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 00:09:31 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 12:41:58 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>> My brother has two little boys named Kenneth and Nicholas. They were
>>>>>>>> adamant when each was born they were not be called Kenny or Nicky.
>>>>>>> Good luck with that :-) By the time our boys reached High school they
>>>>>>> had instructed all their friends and teachers to use the diminutives
>>>>>>> we'd so carefully avoided, and they still use them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're being home schooled.
>>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>> You mean play dates where they read Shakespeare together?
>>>>
>>> Just the term "be socialized" reminds me of something they do with
>>> puppies at the dog park, not people. Not so sure how good home
>>> schooling really is for some kids. They need real life exposure.
>> I know I would not have appreciated missing my school days - the
>> knocks, the friendships, fun, punishment the whole shebang.
> I'm glad that I am not raising children now. School seems pretty
> vicious, especially if a child has to commit suicide to get away from
> schoolmates. The really scary part is that these ugly, vicious
> children will grow up and I can't imagine the kind of adults they will
> make.

Â* They'll be liberals .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety .
Get off my lawn !

On 7/28/2018 10:41 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 10:53:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-07-28 10:17 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad that I am not raising children now. School seems pretty
>>> vicious, especially if a child has to commit suicide to get away from
>>> schoolmates. The really scary part is that these ugly, vicious
>>> children will grow up and I can't imagine the kind of adults they will
>>> make.
>>>
>> A couple weeks ago there was a woman at the dog park who claimed to be
>> home schooling her kids. After a few days of her visits and listening to
>> her stories it became clear to me that she had some strange issues. She
>> was staying with her sister and could not understand why her sister kept
>> sending her adds for house and apartment rentals that were not suitable
>> for her. I suspected that the sister was trying to get rid of her. This
>> woman spend all day Saturday at the dog park because her sister was
>> working and she did not want to be there alone with the husband. There
>> must have been a story there.
>>
>> She did not want to live in the town where her sister lives because it
>> is rural. She is concerned about gun violence. She explained that city
>> schools may be tough and that city kids may threaten to go home and get
>> a gun, but there is no gun to get, but that country kids have more
>> access to guns, so there is more chance of a kid in a rural area being
>> shot.
>>
> Why do you even keep, remember and re-tell stories like this?

Â* He's one of those mentioned upthread that is so desperate for
attention that any kind will do . Kick him and he'll probably thank you .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety .
Get off my lawn !

wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:35:00 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-07-28 4:36 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing sure about it. Learning socialization skills with other kids is something that one typically has to give up
>>> when home schooling. It is an important consideration when deciding to
>>> do it or not. I pulled my son out of school to keep him away from
>>> teachers that were clueless. I regret that it also kept him away from
>>> other kids. That's the breaks.
>>>
>>> When we seriously considered home-schooling, that socially-limiting
>>> aspect was the main reason we decided not to.
>>>
>>> Janet UK.
>>>
>> Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
>> are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(
>
> That wouldn't be so awful, however it's the home-schooled kids who
> entertain themselves by pulling the wings off butterflies and use BB
> guns on dogs.... isolating kids is what produces sick little *******s
> who as adults become the rapists, serial killers, and arsonists.
>

So, yoose was home schooled Popeye?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 12:41:24 -0500, Terry Coombs >
wrote:

>On 7/28/2018 9:17 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:45:19 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:55:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/27/2018 7:29 PM, Druce wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 00:09:31 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 12:41:58 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>> My brother has two little boys named Kenneth and Nicholas. They were
>>>>>>>>> adamant when each was born they were not be called Kenny or Nicky.
>>>>>>>> Good luck with that :-) By the time our boys reached High school they
>>>>>>>> had instructed all their friends and teachers to use the diminutives
>>>>>>>> we'd so carefully avoided, and they still use them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're being home schooled.
>>>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>>> You mean play dates where they read Shakespeare together?
>>>>>
>>>> Just the term "be socialized" reminds me of something they do with
>>>> puppies at the dog park, not people. Not so sure how good home
>>>> schooling really is for some kids. They need real life exposure.
>>> I know I would not have appreciated missing my school days - the
>>> knocks, the friendships, fun, punishment the whole shebang.
>> I'm glad that I am not raising children now. School seems pretty
>> vicious, especially if a child has to commit suicide to get away from
>> schoolmates. The really scary part is that these ugly, vicious
>> children will grow up and I can't imagine the kind of adults they will
>> make.
>
> * They'll be liberals .

Now there's a different point of view. I am sure they will be
conservatives

On 2018-07-28 11:41 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
> On 7/28/2018 9:17 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:45:19 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:55:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/27/2018 7:29 PM, Druce wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 00:09:31 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 12:41:58 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>> My brother has two little boys named Kenneth and Nicholas.
>>>>>>>>> They were
>>>>>>>>> adamant when each was born they were not be called Kenny or Nicky.
>>>>>>>> Â*Â*Â* Good luck with that :-) By the time our boys reached High
>>>>>>>> school they
>>>>>>>> had instructed all their friends and teachers to use the
>>>>>>>> diminutives
>>>>>>>> we'd so carefully avoided, andÂ* they still use them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're being home schooled.
>>>>>> Â*Â* They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>>> You mean play dates where they read Shakespeare together?
>>>>>
>>>> Just the term "be socialized" reminds me of something they do with
>>>> puppies at the dog park, not people.Â* Not so sure how good home
>>>> schooling really is for some kids.Â* They need real life exposure.
>>> I know I would not have appreciated missing my school days - the
>>> knocks, the friendships, fun, punishment the whole shebang.
>> I'm glad that I am not raising children now.Â* School seems pretty
>> vicious, especially if a child has to commit suicide to get away from
>> schoolmates.Â* The really scary part is that these ugly, vicious
>> children will grow up and I can't imagine the kind of adults they will
>> make.
>
> Â* They'll be liberals .
>
We can only hope and pray that they will be!!!!

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 08:17:30 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:45:19 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:55:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 7/27/2018 7:29 PM, Druce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 00:09:31 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 12:41:58 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My brother has two little boys named Kenneth and Nicholas. They were
>>>>>>>> adamant when each was born they were not be called Kenny or Nicky.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck with that :-) By the time our boys reached High school they
>>>>>>> had instructed all their friends and teachers to use the diminutives
>>>>>>> we'd so carefully avoided, and they still use them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're being home schooled.
>>>>>
>>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>>
>>>> You mean play dates where they read Shakespeare together?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Just the term "be socialized" reminds me of something they do with
>>>puppies at the dog park, not people. Not so sure how good home
>>>schooling really is for some kids. They need real life exposure.
>>
>>I know I would not have appreciated missing my school days - the
>>knocks, the friendships, fun, punishment the whole shebang.
>
>I'm glad that I am not raising children now. School seems pretty
>vicious, especially if a child has to commit suicide to get away from
>schoolmates. The really scary part is that these ugly, vicious
>children will grow up and I can't imagine the kind of adults they will
>make.

That is one of the coping mechanisms they will miss though. My
parents left it for me to return any bullying in kind, that way it
never came to much, bullies don't bother with those who stand up for
themselves. Again, I feel parents interfere too much.

The suicide aspect is ghastly, but that is more to do with being
online rather than school alone. Here in NS laws were enacted after a
particularly bad, sad case. Then the law was overturned as being too
vague, or some legal technicality, but it has since been re-written
and hopefully will help control social media bullying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicid...ehtaeh_Parsons

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 10:49:23 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 11:51:24 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-07-28 11:37 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 11:12:07 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-07-28 10:29 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm with you there, and the endless bullying on social media of some
>>>>> students goes unchecked in many cases, plus the powers that be can't
>>>>> keep their noses out of every aspect of parenting these days, damned if
>>>>> you do, damned if you don't.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the victims are online bullying are the authors of their own
>>>> misfortune. They are so desperate for attention that they will spew all
>>>> sorts of nonsense just to get a reaction. There are a lot of social
>>>> media sites and and usenet groups and if there is too much heat they can
>>>> leave and find another.
>>> snip
>>>>
>>> You live in a pretty comfortable world where everyone who suffers
>>> misfortune has brought it on themselves.
>>
>>Perhaps you could learn to read a little better. I specifically said
>>"some" and gave examples.
>>
>That was really in response to your general attitude. I quit now.

You might as well Janet, he doesn't
'get' it !

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 11:06:48 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I was not that bad but as a student I never understood the need to learn
> > History. It was just old stuff that means nothing today. The real
> > problem was, I never had a good history teacher. Teachers make a huge
> > difference in attitude.
>
> > I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>
> Cheri
>
>
I loved diagramming sentences once I learned really how to do it. It must
have been important as I learned and I'm still waiting on someone to ask
me diagram one. Sadly, never once in all my years of working did someone
slap a piece of paper down in front of me and ask me to diagram a sentence.

Sniff-sniff.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:35:00 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-07-28 4:36 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>>
>>>> Janet
>>>>
>>>
>>> There's nothing sure about it. Learning socialization skills with other kids is something that one typically has to give up
>> when home schooling. It is an important consideration when deciding to
>> do it or not. I pulled my son out of school to keep him away from
>> teachers that were clueless. I regret that it also kept him away from
>> other kids. That's the breaks.
>>
>> When we seriously considered home-schooling, that socially-limiting
>> aspect was the main reason we decided not to.
>>
>> Janet UK.
>>
>Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
>are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(

Don't you have fundamentalist schools where they teach creationism? Or
is that more an American thing?

On 2018-07-28 2:40 PM, Druce wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 07:35:00 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-07-28 4:36 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They will surely be socialised with their own age group ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing sure about it. Learning socialization skills with other kids is something that one typically has to give up
>>> when home schooling. It is an important consideration when deciding to
>>> do it or not. I pulled my son out of school to keep him away from
>>> teachers that were clueless. I regret that it also kept him away from
>>> other kids. That's the breaks.
>>>
>>> When we seriously considered home-schooling, that socially-limiting
>>> aspect was the main reason we decided not to.
>>>
>>> Janet UK.
>>>
>> Most home-schoolers over here are doing it for religious reasons. They
>> are afraid their precious ones will learn about Darwin as well as s-x:-(
>
> Don't you have fundamentalist schools where they teach creationism? Or
> is that more an American thing?
>
There are a few fundie protestant schools as well as a couple of Jewish
and Moslem schools. Fundies appear to exert more power south of the border.

> wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 11:06:48 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > I was not that bad but as a student I never understood the need to
>> > learn
>> > History. It was just old stuff that means nothing today. The real
>> > problem was, I never had a good history teacher. Teachers make a huge
>> > difference in attitude.
>>
>> > I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
> I loved diagramming sentences once I learned really how to do it. It must
> have been important as I learned and I'm still waiting on someone to ask
> me diagram one. Sadly, never once in all my years of working did someone
> slap a piece of paper down in front of me and ask me to diagram a
> sentence.
>
> Sniff-sniff.

Me either.

Cheri

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 12:36:28 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>
> When we seriously considered home-schooling, that socially-limiting
> aspect was the main reason we decided not to.
>
> Janet UK.

It is a question that should not be taken lightly.

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 12:37:00 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I'm sure we all have sufficient social skills in person. There's something
> about being at the other end of a long wire that releases people from their
> inhibitions.
>
> Namaste.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

At the risk of being taken for an old fart, it wasn't like this back in the old days. Eternal September indeed!

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 2:36:34 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Too far away to slap silly! ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...

Well I guess it's a really good thing that you're at the end of a really long wire, ain't it?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 13:39:24 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 11:06:48 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > I was not that bad but as a student I never understood the need to learn
>> > History. It was just old stuff that means nothing today. The real
>> > problem was, I never had a good history teacher. Teachers make a huge
>> > difference in attitude.
>>
>> > I felt that way about diagramming sentences, but I loved/love history.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>I loved diagramming sentences once I learned really how to do it. It must
>have been important as I learned and I'm still waiting on someone to ask
>me diagram one. Sadly, never once in all my years of working did someone
>slap a piece of paper down in front of me and ask me to diagram a sentence.
>
>Sniff-sniff.

LOL, LOL