"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > jmcquown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According
>> >> to
>> >> the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
>> >> distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
>> >> steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.
>> >
>> > Maybe at least be open minded enough to give it a try once it
>> > becomes available. You are condemming it untasted. Old ppl@
>>
>> Don't become a tiresome preacher Gary. Tend to your own dinner plate.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> And here, Cheri chimes in. :-D


Yes, it's called a newsgroup, for discussion, so here...Gary chimes in with
an answer to my post, see how that works? :-D

Cheri

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> " wrote:
> >
> > Uhhhhhh, no they don't. They have no concept of being slaughtered
> > for food for humans. Sorry, they have no hidden calendars marking
> > off each day as it ends wondering if tomorrow will be their last.
>
> The animals might not know but it still happens. That doesn't
> distract from the reality of things. Imagine one of your family
> members being killed for food but not knowing beforehand...like
> wild animals that go out to eat some morning and never comes
> home. "Where's Dad?"
>
There you go again putting human emotions to animals. I'd be willing
to bet not a single animal has ever said "Where's daddy? When is he
coming home?"
>
> Imagine living on a free range, organic farm and one day they cut
> off your head then feast on your body. We are the top predators
> here on earth...just imagine if some higher being came here to
> harvest humans for meat. It could happen, easily. "To Serve
> Man."
>
> Here's a good example:
> http://www.hostpic.org/images/1805172016220086.jpg
>
They have no concept of being butchered and then wrapped in freezer
paper and one day being tossed on the grill. You're beginning to
sound like those loony-toon nutcases from PETA. Are you supposed
to be on some sort of medication and missed your dose today?

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 10:21:56 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>
> Don't become a tiresome preacher Gary. Tend to your own dinner plate.
>
> Cheri
>
>
Thank you! When he gets back on an even keel then I will interact with
him. Right now he's being as silly as our resident narcissistic. He's
arguing for the sake of arguing.

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:10:55 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> " wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > >
> > > If someone can come up with a tasty meat
> > > alternative, I'll go for it.
> > >
> > There is no such thing.
> > >
> > > Remember the old, Twilight Zone (I think) episode? It was called
> > > "To Serve Man." Aliens came to earth to serve man. Humans thought
> > > was to help us. Turned out in the end that they were harvesting
> > > humans and the book, "To Serve Man," was actually a cookbook.
> > >
> > > We were horrified with that concept. Our animals live with that
> > > every day.
> > >
> > Uhhhhhh, no they don't. They have no concept of being slaughtered
> > for food for humans. Sorry, they have no hidden calendars marking
> > off each day as it ends wondering if tomorrow will be their last.
>
> The animals might not know but it still happens. That doesn't
> distract from the reality of things. Imagine one of your family
> members being killed for food but not knowing beforehand...like
> wild animals that go out to eat some morning and never comes
> home. "Where's Dad?"

People die unexpectedly all the time. This is no different, except
that animals don't think.

> Imagine living on a free range, organic farm and one day they cut
> off your head then feast on your body.

I'd never know they were feasting on my body.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:11:21 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:56:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.
> > >
> > > In the human sense...Imagine going out in the morning for food.
> > > While walking into the grocery store, someone shoots you, takes
> > > you home, guts you and butchers you and put in their freezer.
> > >
> > > In the fishing sense, Imagine biting into a hamburger and a hook
> > > gets lodged in your mouth or throat and you get yanked away for
> > > food.
> > >
> > > This is exactly what we do to animals. And the farmed ones are
> > > raised for food too. No matter how they are raised, they will
> > > still die once they get to optimum age or size.
> >
> > We all die. I'd rather get a steel bolt through my skull than
> > be eaten by wolves.
>
> But wouldn't you rather avoid all of that? :-\

I can't avoid dying. I'd much rather die suddenly than,
for example, of Alzheimer's.

Cindy Hamilton

> wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 10:21:56 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Don't become a tiresome preacher Gary. Tend to your own dinner plate.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
> Thank you! When he gets back on an even keel then I will interact with
> him. Right now he's being as silly as our resident narcissistic. He's
> arguing for the sake of arguing.

Every few months it seems Gary becomes a bit bored and likes to provoke
posters, it follows a predictable pattern. Next we will be hearing about
"The Girl Gang" "Old Biddys with no sense of humor" and so on. LOL

Cheri

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:10:55 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> " wrote:
>> >
>> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> > >
>> > > If someone can come up with a tasty meat
>> > > alternative, I'll go for it.
>> > >
>> > There is no such thing.
>> > >
>> > > Remember the old, Twilight Zone (I think) episode? It was called
>> > > "To Serve Man." Aliens came to earth to serve man. Humans thought
>> > > was to help us. Turned out in the end that they were harvesting
>> > > humans and the book, "To Serve Man," was actually a cookbook.
>> > >
>> > > We were horrified with that concept. Our animals live with that
>> > > every day.
>> > >
>> > Uhhhhhh, no they don't. They have no concept of being slaughtered
>> > for food for humans. Sorry, they have no hidden calendars marking
>> > off each day as it ends wondering if tomorrow will be their last.
>>
>> The animals might not know but it still happens. That doesn't
>> distract from the reality of things. Imagine one of your family
>> members being killed for food but not knowing beforehand...like
>> wild animals that go out to eat some morning and never comes
>> home. "Where's Dad?"
>
> People die unexpectedly all the time. This is no different, except
> that animals don't think.
>
>> Imagine living on a free range, organic farm and one day they cut
>> off your head then feast on your body.
>
> I'd never know they were feasting on my body.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


Or care for that matter. Also, if these animals were actually aware of
impending doom, what chance do you think the farmer would have of escaping
their wrath? LOL

Cheri

In article >, says...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According to
> > the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
> > distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
> > steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.
>
> Maybe at least be open minded enough to give it a try once it
> becomes available. You are condemming it untasted. Old ppl@

ISTR, you are older than Jill.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > Or mauled by a bear. Just recently there was a little boy (10 years
> > old) playing in the surf off Hilton Head Island, SC. He was bitten by a
> > shark.
> >
> > http://time.com/5280676/shark-attack...outh-carolina/
> >
> > Does Gary think the shark had anything in mind other than "dinner"? Was
> > it worried gee, maybe I'm trying to eat the wrong thing? Nope.
>
> You should go swimming in the ocean soon, Jill, and see how it
> feels to be prey. People here claim animals don't have feelings.

Nobody said that. The point made, was that farmed animals do not spend
their lives in anticipation of death in the slaughterhouse. Nor do pet
animals know, fear or dread, that they are about to be euthenased by the
vet.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> " wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > >
> > > If someone can come up with a tasty meat
> > > alternative, I'll go for it.
> > >
> > There is no such thing.
> > >
> > > Remember the old, Twilight Zone (I think) episode? It was called
> > > "To Serve Man." Aliens came to earth to serve man. Humans thought
> > > was to help us. Turned out in the end that they were harvesting
> > > humans and the book, "To Serve Man," was actually a cookbook.
> > >
> > > We were horrified with that concept. Our animals live with that
> > > every day.
> > >
> > Uhhhhhh, no they don't. They have no concept of being slaughtered
> > for food for humans. Sorry, they have no hidden calendars marking
> > off each day as it ends wondering if tomorrow will be their last.
>
> The animals might not know but it still happens.

What does NOT happen is yopur claim, above, that farmed animals "live
with the knowledge every day" (that they are going to feature in a
recipe book /get eaten by humans.)

Janet UK

That doesn't
> distract from the reality of things. Imagine one of your family
> members being killed for food but not knowing beforehand...like
> wild animals that go out to eat some morning and never comes
> home. "Where's Dad?"
>
> Imagine living on a free range, organic farm and one day they cut
> off your head then feast on your body. We are the top predators
> here on earth...just imagine if some higher being came here to
> harvest humans for meat. It could happen, easily. "To Serve
> Man."
>
> Here's a good example:
> http://www.hostpic.org/images/1805172016220086.jpg

In article >, ost
says...
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2018 11:12:30 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According to
> >> the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
> >> distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
> >> steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.
> >
> > Maybe at least be open minded enough to give it a try once it
> > becomes available. You are condemming it untasted. Old ppl@
>
> We condemn it based on past experiences with products claiming to be
> "just like meat". The industry has a poor track record with the
> products but no shortage of spokespeople to tout the products before
> their release.
>
> Notice they didn't solicit any feedback from outsiders on their
> product before it's release; All we have to go on is their
> marketing schpeil. The first round of vegetarians will praise it,
> while the omnivores give it a thumbs down.

When I want to eat something that looks and tastes just like steak,
I'll eat the real thing and call it steak. I won't pretend it's
something else.

No doubt Gary's hoping the food industry will find a way to process
steak to look and taste just like mashed potato, so he can pretend to be
a vegetarian.

Janet UK

On Thu, 17 May 2018 03:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:42:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Just so happens my dinner tonight will be kinda-sorta vegetarian.
>>>That's if you define the label as someone who eats eggs & cheese.
>>
>> If you claim to be Vegan for morality reasons,
>> it makes NO sense to eliminate milk products and eggs,
>> as those are similar to fruits and vegetables,
>> where you eat the 'seeds' of the plant, which are renewable.
>
> Vegetarian: doesn't eat anything that kills an animal
> Vegan: doesn't eat anything that inconveniences an animal

Which brings up a question: If chickens were wild, what would happen
to their almost daily, unfertilized eggs? Would they just kick them
to the side? Or would roosters make sure that they were fertilized
every day, keeping the hens in a constant state of childbirth?

And what would happen to a cow, that for whatever reason, had no
calves to milk her swollen mammary glands? (and doesn't live in
Greenville, New York)?

The chicken are not inconvenienced laying an egg every day,
fertilized or not. And the cow would probably feel much better if
she were milked.

-sw

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 5:10:55 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>
> The animals might not know but it still happens. That doesn't
> distract from the reality of things. Imagine one of your family
> members being killed for food but not knowing beforehand...like
> wild animals that go out to eat some morning and never comes
> home. "Where's Dad?"
>
> Imagine living on a free range, organic farm and one day they cut
> off your head then feast on your body. We are the top predators
> here on earth...just imagine if some higher being came here to
> harvest humans for meat. It could happen, easily. "To Serve
> Man."
>
> Here's a good example:
> http://www.hostpic.org/images/1805172016220086.jpg

It does kind of suck that we will kill those adorable critters in order to survive. OTOH, my guess is that our meat industry won't be sustainable in the near future. It's going to go the way of the blue-bellied doo doo. We'll still have to kill plants in order to survive but at least they won't have big, beautiful, eyes.

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:11:21 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:56:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.
> > >
> > > In the human sense...Imagine going out in the morning for food.
> > > While walking into the grocery store, someone shoots you, takes
> > > you home, guts you and butchers you and put in their freezer.
> > >
> > > In the fishing sense, Imagine biting into a hamburger and a hook
> > > gets lodged in your mouth or throat and you get yanked away for
> > > food.
> > >
> > > This is exactly what we do to animals. And the farmed ones are
> > > raised for food too. No matter how they are raised, they will
> > > still die once they get to optimum age or size.
> >
> > We all die. I'd rather get a steel bolt through my skull than
> > be eaten by wolves.
>
> But wouldn't you rather avoid all of that? :-\

I can't avoid dying. I'd much rather die suddenly than,
for example, of Alzheimer's.

Cindy Hamilton

==

Is that not harder on the families? Does it not help the victim not to know
what is happening?

On 2018-05-17 10:10 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/16/2018 8:18 PM, wrote:

> Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak.Â* According to
> the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak".Â* "Barely
> distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
> steak.Â* Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.

My vegetarian nephew was always pushing various veggie dogs and veggie
burgers and saying how they taste just like hamburgers and hot dogs.
Well, they don't. It is quite easy to tell them apart. The real meat
ones are quite good and tastes like meat. The veggie versions taste like
veggie versions.

On 2018-05-17 11:14 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Gary is ascribing human emotions to animals.
>
> You think animals don't have emotions and survival instincts? And
> feeling loss of a family member? How superior you think that
> humans are above all that.
> How would you feel, Jill, if I came over to your place, picked up
> your cat, cut it's throat then offered to cook dinner for you,
> cat stew?


As long as you don't make it taste like those McDs burgers that you like
so much.

On 5/17/2018 11:15 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Or mauled by a bear. Just recently there was a little boy (10 years
>> old) playing in the surf off Hilton Head Island, SC. He was bitten by a
>> shark.
>>
>> http://time.com/5280676/shark-attack...outh-carolina/
>>
>> Does Gary think the shark had anything in mind other than "dinner"? Was
>> it worried gee, maybe I'm trying to eat the wrong thing? Nope.
>
> You should go swimming in the ocean soon, Jill, and see how it
> feels to be prey.


Um... I'm smart enough not to do that.

> People here claim animals don't have feelings.

No, we don't. We just claim they do not sit around worring about when
they're gonna die.

If YOU want to become a vegetarian or vegan, GO FOR IT. No skin off
anyone's nose. Just please don't anthroporphize

Jill

On 5/17/2018 1:42 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> And what would happen to a cow, that for whatever reason, had no
> calves to milk her swollen mammary glands? (and doesn't live in
> Greenville, New York)?

Extreme pain if they can't be milked. No calves to suckle? MOOOOOOOO -
ouch!

Jill

On 5/17/2018 11:14 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Gary is ascribing human emotions to animals.
>
> You think animals don't have emotions and survival instincts? And
> feeling loss of a family member? How superior you think that
> humans are above all that.
> How would you feel, Jill, if I came over to your place, picked up
> your cat, cut it's throat then offered to cook dinner for you,
> cat stew?
>
>> How about in nature? I'm
>> sure there are often nervous and worried wildebeests, antelopes, etc.,
>> especially if there's a pride of lions in the neighborhood. LOL
>>
>> Animals kill other animals for food all the time. (Many of them also
>> eat plants.) They don't normally kill their *own kind* for food.
>
> If you contend that we are the superior species, we have
> alternatives and don't really need to kill other animals.

I did not say humans are a superior species. You're twisting my words.
I DO know you can find Boca Burgers, Morningstar Farms vegan burgers,
sausages, etc. in your local Food Lion. In the freezer section. Do try
them before you start claiming they are wonderful meat alternatives.
Wheat and soy. Oooh boy.

Jill

On 5/17/2018 1:01 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:10:55 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>> " wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > If someone can come up with a tasty meat
>>> > > alternative, I'll go for it.
>>> > >
>>> > There is no such thing.
>>> > >
>>> > > Remember the old, Twilight Zone (I think) episode?* It was called
>>> > > "To Serve Man." Aliens came to earth to serve man. Humans thought
>>> > > was to help us. Turned out in the end that they were harvesting
>>> > > humans and the book, "To Serve Man," was actually a cookbook.
>>> > >
>>> > > We were horrified with that concept. Our animals live with that
>>> > > every day.
>>> > >
>>> > Uhhhhhh, no they don't.* They have no concept of being slaughtered
>>> > for food for humans.* Sorry, they have no hidden calendars marking
>>> > off each day as it ends wondering if tomorrow will be their last.
>>>
>>> The animals might not know but it still happens. That doesn't
>>> distract from the reality of things. Imagine one of your family
>>> members being killed for food but not knowing beforehand...like
>>> wild animals that go out to eat some morning and never comes
>>> home. "Where's Dad?"
>>
>> People die unexpectedly all the time.* This is no different, except
>> that animals don't think.
>>
>>> Imagine living on a free range, organic farm and one day they cut
>>> off your head then feast on your body.
>>
>> I'd never know they were feasting on my body.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
> Or care for that matter. Also, if these animals were actually aware of
> impending doom, what chance do you think the farmer would have of
> escaping their wrath? LOL
>
> Cheri

The chickens are bound to revolt when someone collects the eggs. Oh no
you don't! LOL

Jill

On Thu, 17 May 2018 08:21:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According to
>>> the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
>>> distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
>>> steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.
>>
>> Maybe at least be open minded enough to give it a try once it
>> becomes available. You are condemming it untasted. Old ppl@
>
>
>Don't become a tiresome preacher Gary. Tend to your own dinner plate.

He's right. Condemning it without tasting it is stupid.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 09:42:57 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 10:21:56 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Don't become a tiresome preacher Gary. Tend to your own dinner plate.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>Thank you! When he gets back on an even keel then I will interact with
>him. Right now he's being as silly as our resident narcissistic. He's
>arguing for the sake of arguing.

You'd probably miss the cruelty factor when you eat that meat
replacement, but I thought of something. You could hurt your cat
before you have dinner. That way you don't have to miss out. Just give
it a good kick.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 10:00:28 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
...
>> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 10:21:56 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't become a tiresome preacher Gary. Tend to your own dinner plate.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you! When he gets back on an even keel then I will interact with
>> him. Right now he's being as silly as our resident narcissistic. He's
>> arguing for the sake of arguing.
>
>Every few months it seems Gary becomes a bit bored and likes to provoke
>posters, it follows a predictable pattern. Next we will be hearing about
>"The Girl Gang" "Old Biddys with no sense of humor" and so on. LOL

You're the one who's looking for a fight. All Gary said was 'don't
knock it before you've tried it'. Perfectly reasonable.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:02:38 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> >
>> > Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According to
>> > the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
>> > distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
>> > steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.
>>
>> Maybe at least be open minded enough to give it a try once it
>> becomes available. You are condemming it untasted. Old ppl@
>
> ISTR, you are older than Jill.

Mentally nobody's older than Jill. Jill was born older than us all.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 12:21:55 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Thu, 17 May 2018 11:12:30 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According to
>>> the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
>>> distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
>>> steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.
>>
>> Maybe at least be open minded enough to give it a try once it
>> becomes available. You are condemming it untasted. Old ppl@
>
>We condemn it based on past experiences with products claiming to be
>"just like meat". The industry has a poor track record with the
>products but no shortage of spokespeople to tout the products before
>their release.
>
>Notice they didn't solicit any feedback from outsiders on their
>product before it's release; All we have to go on is their
>marketing schpeil. The first round of vegetarians will praise it,
>while the omnivores give it a thumbs down.

I agree. we have nothing to go on but them praising themselves. It
looks good though. Who knows. One day somebody will come up with
something good.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:38:14 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, ost
>says...
>>
>> On Thu, 17 May 2018 11:12:30 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>
>> > jmcquown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According to
>> >> the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
>> >> distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
>> >> steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.
>> >
>> > Maybe at least be open minded enough to give it a try once it
>> > becomes available. You are condemming it untasted. Old ppl@
>>
>> We condemn it based on past experiences with products claiming to be
>> "just like meat". The industry has a poor track record with the
>> products but no shortage of spokespeople to tout the products before
>> their release.
>>
>> Notice they didn't solicit any feedback from outsiders on their
>> product before it's release; All we have to go on is their
>> marketing schpeil. The first round of vegetarians will praise it,
>> while the omnivores give it a thumbs down.
>
> When I want to eat something that looks and tastes just like steak,
>I'll eat the real thing and call it steak. I won't pretend it's
>something else.

Younger generations may be less narrow-minded.

> No doubt Gary's hoping the food industry will find a way to process
>steak to look and taste just like mashed potato, so he can pretend to be
>a vegetarian.

Childish.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 09:56:53 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.
>
>In the human sense...Imagine going out in the morning for food.
>While walking into the grocery store, someone shoots you, takes
>you home, guts you and butchers you and put in their freezer.
>
>In the fishing sense, Imagine biting into a hamburger and a hook
>gets lodged in your mouth or throat and you get yanked away for
>food.
>
>This is exactly what we do to animals. And the farmed ones are
>raised for food too. No matter how they are raised, they will
>still die once they get to optimum age or size.
>
>I do still eat meat but it's getting less each year. Even though
>I let other people do the killing and butchering, I still don't
>like the whole concept. If someone can come up with a tasty meat
>alternative, I'll go for it.

That's it. Everybody would win.

>Remember the old, Twilight Zone (I think) episode? It was called
>"To Serve Man." Aliens came to earth to serve man. Humans thought
>was to help us. Turned out in the end that they were harvesting
>humans and the book, "To Serve Man," was actually a cookbook.
>
>We were horrified with that concept. Our animals live with that
>every day.

Yes.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>> " wrote:
>> >
>> > Uhhhhhh, no they don't. They have no concept of being slaughtered
>> > for food for humans. Sorry, they have no hidden calendars marking
>> > off each day as it ends wondering if tomorrow will be their last.
>>
>> The animals might not know but it still happens. That doesn't
>> distract from the reality of things. Imagine one of your family
>> members being killed for food but not knowing beforehand...like
>> wild animals that go out to eat some morning and never comes
>> home. "Where's Dad?"
>>
>There you go again putting human emotions to animals. I'd be willing
>to bet not a single animal has ever said "Where's daddy? When is he
>coming home?"

Do you live in the city? Do you never see animals except on your
plate? You sound totally clueless.

>> Imagine living on a free range, organic farm and one day they cut
>> off your head then feast on your body. We are the top predators
>> here on earth...just imagine if some higher being came here to
>> harvest humans for meat. It could happen, easily. "To Serve
>> Man."
>>
>> Here's a good example:
>> http://www.hostpic.org/images/1805172016220086.jpg
>>
>They have no concept of being butchered and then wrapped in freezer
>paper and one day being tossed on the grill. You're beginning to
>sound like those loony-toon nutcases from PETA. Are you supposed
>to be on some sort of medication and missed your dose today?

You're totally devoid of empathy. There's a technical term for that
(sociopath), but it can't be cured with medication.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 14:53:15 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/17/2018 1:01 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:10:55 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>> " wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > If someone can come up with a tasty meat
>>>> > > alternative, I'll go for it.
>>>> > >
>>>> > There is no such thing.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Remember the old, Twilight Zone (I think) episode?* It was called
>>>> > > "To Serve Man." Aliens came to earth to serve man. Humans thought
>>>> > > was to help us. Turned out in the end that they were harvesting
>>>> > > humans and the book, "To Serve Man," was actually a cookbook.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > We were horrified with that concept. Our animals live with that
>>>> > > every day.
>>>> > >
>>>> > Uhhhhhh, no they don't.* They have no concept of being slaughtered
>>>> > for food for humans.* Sorry, they have no hidden calendars marking
>>>> > off each day as it ends wondering if tomorrow will be their last.
>>>>
>>>> The animals might not know but it still happens. That doesn't
>>>> distract from the reality of things. Imagine one of your family
>>>> members being killed for food but not knowing beforehand...like
>>>> wild animals that go out to eat some morning and never comes
>>>> home. "Where's Dad?"
>>>
>>> People die unexpectedly all the time.* This is no different, except
>>> that animals don't think.
>>>
>>>> Imagine living on a free range, organic farm and one day they cut
>>>> off your head then feast on your body.
>>>
>>> I'd never know they were feasting on my body.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>
>> Or care for that matter. Also, if these animals were actually aware of
>> impending doom, what chance do you think the farmer would have of
>> escaping their wrath? LOL
>>
>> Cheri
>
>The chickens are bound to revolt when someone collects the eggs. Oh no
>you don't! LOL

Beavis and McButthead strike again.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>
>
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:11:21 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:56:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> > > Bruce wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.
>> > >
>> > > In the human sense...Imagine going out in the morning for food.
>> > > While walking into the grocery store, someone shoots you, takes
>> > > you home, guts you and butchers you and put in their freezer.
>> > >
>> > > In the fishing sense, Imagine biting into a hamburger and a hook
>> > > gets lodged in your mouth or throat and you get yanked away for
>> > > food.
>> > >
>> > > This is exactly what we do to animals. And the farmed ones are
>> > > raised for food too. No matter how they are raised, they will
>> > > still die once they get to optimum age or size.
>> >
>> > We all die. I'd rather get a steel bolt through my skull than
>> > be eaten by wolves.
>>
>> But wouldn't you rather avoid all of that? :-\
>
> I can't avoid dying. I'd much rather die suddenly than,
> for example, of Alzheimer's.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> ==
>
> Is that not harder on the families? Does it not help the victim not to
> know
> what is happening?

I think long drawn out things like Alzheimer's are much harder than sudden
deaths, though both are hard on the families. I prefer sudden.

Cheri

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 3:33:11 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:11:21 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:56:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> > > Bruce wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.
> >> > >
> >> > > In the human sense...Imagine going out in the morning for food.
> >> > > While walking into the grocery store, someone shoots you, takes
> >> > > you home, guts you and butchers you and put in their freezer.
> >> > >
> >> > > In the fishing sense, Imagine biting into a hamburger and a hook
> >> > > gets lodged in your mouth or throat and you get yanked away for
> >> > > food.
> >> > >
> >> > > This is exactly what we do to animals. And the farmed ones are
> >> > > raised for food too. No matter how they are raised, they will
> >> > > still die once they get to optimum age or size.
> >> >
> >> > We all die. I'd rather get a steel bolt through my skull than
> >> > be eaten by wolves.
> >>
> >> But wouldn't you rather avoid all of that? :-\
> >
> > I can't avoid dying. I'd much rather die suddenly than,
> > for example, of Alzheimer's.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > ==
> >
> > Is that not harder on the families? Does it not help the victim not to
> > know
> > what is happening?
>
> I think long drawn out things like Alzheimer's are much harder than sudden
> deaths, though both are hard on the families. I prefer sudden.
>
> Cheri

My mother-in-law died of Alzheimer's. One of my brothers-in-law
died at 54 of a heart attack. Guess which one was harder for my
father-in-law.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 2:09:48 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2018 09:42:57 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >When he gets back on an even keel then I will interact with
> >him. Right now he's being as silly as our resident narcissistic. He's
> >arguing for the sake of arguing.
>
> You'd probably miss the cruelty factor when you eat that meat
> replacement, but I thought of something. You could hurt your cat
> before you have dinner. That way you don't have to miss out. Just give
> it a good kick.
>
>
I'm not going to eat the meat replacement (aka fake meat) so there's no
need to kick my cat. Nor am I going miss the 'cruelty factor' as there
is no cruelty factor. I have no qualms about slaughtering animals for
food nor the death penalty for humans.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 12:39:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 3:33:11 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Is that not harder on the families? Does it not help the victim not to
>> > know
>> > what is happening?
>>
>> I think long drawn out things like Alzheimer's are much harder than sudden
>> deaths, though both are hard on the families. I prefer sudden.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>My mother-in-law died of Alzheimer's. One of my brothers-in-law
>died at 54 of a heart attack. Guess which one was harder for my
>father-in-law.

His wife?

On Thu, 17 May 2018 12:57:38 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 2:09:48 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 17 May 2018 09:42:57 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >When he gets back on an even keel then I will interact with
>> >him. Right now he's being as silly as our resident narcissistic. He's
>> >arguing for the sake of arguing.
>>
>> You'd probably miss the cruelty factor when you eat that meat
>> replacement, but I thought of something. You could hurt your cat
>> before you have dinner. That way you don't have to miss out. Just give
>> it a good kick.
>>
>>
>I'm not going to eat the meat replacement (aka fake meat) so there's no
>need to kick my cat. Nor am I going miss the 'cruelty factor' as there
>is no cruelty factor. I have no qualms about slaughtering animals for
>food nor the death penalty for humans.

Some humans I'd personally like to give the death penalty. Fatal kick
up the ass. (Not referring to anyone here.)

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2018 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >They have no concept of being butchered and then wrapped in freezer
> >paper and one day being tossed on the grill. You're beginning to
> >sound like those loony-toon nutcases from PETA. Are you supposed
> >to be on some sort of medication and missed your dose today?
>
> You're totally devoid of empathy. There's a technical term for that
> (sociopath), but it can't be cured with medication.
>
>
Empathy for my food? All I can is it better be tender, easy on the
fat, and yummy.

Show me your medical degree.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>
>
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:11:21 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:56:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> > > Bruce wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.
>> > >
>> > > In the human sense...Imagine going out in the morning for food.
>> > > While walking into the grocery store, someone shoots you, takes
>> > > you home, guts you and butchers you and put in their freezer.
>> > >
>> > > In the fishing sense, Imagine biting into a hamburger and a hook
>> > > gets lodged in your mouth or throat and you get yanked away for
>> > > food.
>> > >
>> > > This is exactly what we do to animals. And the farmed ones are
>> > > raised for food too. No matter how they are raised, they will
>> > > still die once they get to optimum age or size.
>> >
>> > We all die. I'd rather get a steel bolt through my skull than
>> > be eaten by wolves.
>>
>> But wouldn't you rather avoid all of that? :-\
>
> I can't avoid dying. I'd much rather die suddenly than,
> for example, of Alzheimer's.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> ==
>
> Is that not harder on the families? Does it not help the victim not to
> know
> what is happening?

I think long drawn out things like Alzheimer's are much harder than sudden
deaths, though both are hard on the families. I prefer sudden.

Cheri
==

Yes, of course it is harder on the family, I was wondering about the
patient/victim.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 13:01:06 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 17 May 2018 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >They have no concept of being butchered and then wrapped in freezer
>> >paper and one day being tossed on the grill. You're beginning to
>> >sound like those loony-toon nutcases from PETA. Are you supposed
>> >to be on some sort of medication and missed your dose today?
>>
>> You're totally devoid of empathy. There's a technical term for that
>> (sociopath), but it can't be cured with medication.
>>
>>
>Empathy for my food? All I can is it better be tender, easy on the
>fat, and yummy.

Thank you for proving my point much better than I could have

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 3:22:04 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2018 13:01:06 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >Empathy for my food? All I can is it better be tender, easy on the
> >fat, and yummy.
>
> Thank you for proving my point much better than I could have
>
>
You're welcome and glad I could be of service!!

On 2018-05-17 3:32 PM, Cheri wrote:

>> Is that not harder on the families?Â* Does it not help the victim not
>> to know
>> what is happening?
>
> I think long drawn out things like Alzheimer's are much harder than
> sudden deaths, though both are hard on the families. I prefer sudden.

Some ailments take a long time to kill people, sometimes painfully. It
is a rude surprise when someone suddenly kicks the bucket, like my
brother in law. He was standing by his dining room table talking to his
lady friend when he suddenly dropped deal, or like my childhood friend
who apparently died in the midst of an orgasm. It is a shock to friends
and family. Then there are the cases where people linger for days,
weeks, months or even years, sometimes totally confused and sometimes in
great pain. In these cases, survivors often feel relief. I don't think
that it is selfish of someone to be relieved that a loved one with a
degenerative and terminal condition has died. IMO, it is much more
selfish to try to keep them alive and suffering because others are
afraid of losing them.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 09:56:53 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.
>
>In the human sense...

Humans wouldn't BE what we are now if we hadn't decided to eat meat.
We WOULD be just another animal, in an animal eat animal world.