On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:52:53 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, November 2, 1994 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-6, Janice Sadowski wrote:
> >> We never seem to buy the right pepper mill. Can anyone recommend a
> >> really awesome pepper mill with some longevity? Cost does not have to be a
> >> huge factor.
> >>
> >> Janice
> >...
> >
> >William Bounds. I have an 8" Wooden pepper mill and love it!!
>
> Only 2 exclamation marks. How good can it be?

So good I wore one out then bought TWO more so I now have a backup!

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:52:53 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 2, 1994 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-6, Janice Sadowski wrote:
>>>> We never seem to buy the right pepper mill. Can anyone recommend a
>>>> really awesome pepper mill with some longevity? Cost does not have to be a
>>>> huge factor.
>>>>
>>>> Janice
>>> ...
>>>
>>> William Bounds. I have an 8" Wooden pepper mill and love it!!
>> Only 2 exclamation marks. How good can it be?
> So good I wore one out then bought TWO more so I now have a backup!
>
> John Kuthe...

It must be nice to be rich!

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 8:54:10 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:52:53 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, November 2, 1994 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-6, Janice Sadowski wrote:
> >>>> We never seem to buy the right pepper mill. Can anyone recommend a
> >>>> really awesome pepper mill with some longevity? Cost does not have to be a
> >>>> huge factor.
> >>>>
> >>>> Janice
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> William Bounds. I have an 8" Wooden pepper mill and love it!!
> >> Only 2 exclamation marks. How good can it be?
> > So good I wore one out then bought TWO more so I now have a backup!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> It must be nice to be rich!

Having a little money has it's benefits.

John Kuthe...

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 21:14:24 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 8:54:10 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>> > On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:52:53 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Wednesday, November 2, 1994 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-6, Janice Sadowski wrote:
>> >>>> We never seem to buy the right pepper mill. Can anyone recommend a
>> >>>> really awesome pepper mill with some longevity? Cost does not have to be a
>> >>>> huge factor.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Janice
>> >>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>> William Bounds. I have an 8" Wooden pepper mill and love it!!
>> >> Only 2 exclamation marks. How good can it be?
>> > So good I wore one out then bought TWO more so I now have a backup!
>> >
>> > John Kuthe...
>>
>> It must be nice to be rich!
>
>Having a little money has it's benefits.

Yes, imagine having a backup pepper mill!

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 11:24:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
....
> Yes, imagine having a backup pepper mill!

It was under $50 I'm pretty sure. Small change to know I will have as pepper grinder for the rest of my life!

John Kuthe...

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 22:09:22 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 11:24:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>...
>> Yes, imagine having a backup pepper mill!
>
>It was under $50 I'm pretty sure. Small change to know I will have as pepper grinder for the rest of my life!

Yes, your worries are over!

On 2/9/2018 7:54 PM, Alex wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:52:53 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, November 2, 1994 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-6, Janice Sadowski
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> We never seem to buy the right pepper mill.Â* Can anyone recommend a
>>>>> really awesome pepper mill with some longevity?Â* Cost does not have
>>>>> to be a
>>>>> huge factor.
>>>>> Janice
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> William Bounds. I have an 8" Wooden pepper mill and love it!!
>>> Only 2 exclamation marks. How good can it be?
>> So good I wore one out then bought TWO more so I now have a backup!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> It must be nice to be rich!
>

He's livin' the dream...and You?

On 2/9/2018 10:24 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 21:14:24 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 8:54:10 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:52:53 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 2, 1994 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-6, Janice Sadowski wrote:
>>>>>>> We never seem to buy the right pepper mill. Can anyone recommend a
>>>>>>> really awesome pepper mill with some longevity? Cost does not have to be a
>>>>>>> huge factor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janice
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Bounds. I have an 8" Wooden pepper mill and love it!!
>>>>> Only 2 exclamation marks. How good can it be?
>>>> So good I wore one out then bought TWO more so I now have a backup!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> It must be nice to be rich!
>>
>> Having a little money has it's benefits.
>
> Yes, imagine having a backup pepper mill!
>

Or a new Nissan Leaf...oh well..

On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 6:34:20 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>
> Or a new Nissan Leaf...oh well..

My son's girlfriend is looking for a used Leaf. My understanding is that once the battery pack goes, people panic and let the cars go for dirt cheap. From what I've read, one or two cells go bad causing a check battery light to go on.

There are suppliers that sell salvaged cells in kits to rebuild/repair the battery for around $200. I'd get a Leaf myself but we don't have an area to recharge it. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to rebuild an electric car battery one of these days. It looks like a lot of fun.

On 2/10/2018 11:50 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 6:34:20 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>>
>> Or a new Nissan Leaf...oh well..
>
> My son's girlfriend is looking for a used Leaf. My understanding is that once the battery pack goes, people panic and let the cars go for dirt cheap. From what I've read, one or two cells go bad causing a check battery light to go on.
>
> There are suppliers that sell salvaged cells in kits to rebuild/repair the battery for around $200. I'd get a Leaf myself but we don't have an area to recharge it. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to rebuild an electric car battery one of these days. It looks like a lot of fun.
>
I heard similar tales of the 1st gen. Prius being a depreciated battery
asset.

If you can source it, then drive it!

I'm surprised Hawaii isn't electric vehicle ground zero - or maybe it is?

On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 9:41:09 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
> I heard similar tales of the 1st gen. Prius being a depreciated battery
> asset.
>
> If you can source it, then drive it!
>
> I'm surprised Hawaii isn't electric vehicle ground zero - or maybe it is?

You would think that it would be. Range isn't that big a problem as it is on the mainland. The bad news is that electricity is nearly 3 times the national average on the mainland. That's like paying 3 times the cost of gasoline. The good news is that a lot of people have solar panels installed on their roofs. That's like getting free gasoline.

On 2/10/2018 1:03 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 9:41:09 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>> I heard similar tales of the 1st gen. Prius being a depreciated battery
>> asset.
>>
>> If you can source it, then drive it!
>>
>> I'm surprised Hawaii isn't electric vehicle ground zero - or maybe it is?
>
> You would think that it would be. Range isn't that big a problem as it is on the mainland. The bad news is that electricity is nearly 3 times the national average on the mainland. That's like paying 3 times the cost of gasoline. The good news is that a lot of people have solar panels installed on their roofs. That's like getting free gasoline.
>

I read you're up well over 5K EVs now - so I think it's coming along.

I wonder if the peak load of solar power produced by a roof is fat
enough to quick charge an AV?

For most purposes a 220 volt pipe is recommended.

La casa siempre gana wrote:
> On 2/9/2018 7:54 PM, Alex wrote:
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:52:53 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, November 2, 1994 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-6, Janice
>>>>> Sadowski wrote:
>>>>>> We never seem to buy the right pepper mill. Can anyone recommend a
>>>>>> really awesome pepper mill with some longevity? Cost does not
>>>>>> have to be a
>>>>>> huge factor.
>>>>>> Janice
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> William Bounds. I have an 8" Wooden pepper mill and love it!!
>>>> Only 2 exclamation marks. How good can it be?
>>> So good I wore one out then bought TWO more so I now have a backup!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> It must be nice to be rich!
>>
>
> He's livin' the dream...and You?


Paycheck to paycheck just hoping my 2002 Hyundai Accent doesn't break
down again.

On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 10:18:32 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>
> I read you're up well over 5K EVs now - so I think it's coming along.
>
> I wonder if the peak load of solar power produced by a roof is fat
> enough to quick charge an AV?
>
> For most purposes a 220 volt pipe is recommended.

There are a lot of EVs on this rock. We're #2 in percentages of EVs on the road. The important number is state #1: California. The distances traveled make EVs a harder sell in that giant state. CA's numbers are a lot more impressive.

You probably wouldn't be able to fully charge an EV with a home PV system if you consume a lot of kWs operating the car. I suppose you might be able to do it if your power consumption is low and you work a night job so you can charge your battery during the day. What probably has to happen is a PV system paired with a storage battery system of sufficient capacity.

What might work well is having a second battery pack for your car that can be charged during peak sunlight hours while you're using your car. 'Scuse me while I speculate in an idle manner...

On 2/10/2018 8:55 PM, Alex wrote:
> La casa siempre gana wrote:
>> On 2/9/2018 7:54 PM, Alex wrote:
>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:52:53 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 2, 1994 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-6, Janice
>>>>>> Sadowski wrote:
>>>>>>> We never seem to buy the right pepper mill.Â* Can anyone recommend a
>>>>>>> really awesome pepper mill with some longevity?Â* Cost does not
>>>>>>> have to be a
>>>>>>> huge factor.
>>>>>>> Janice
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Bounds. I have an 8" Wooden pepper mill and love it!!
>>>>> Only 2 exclamation marks. How good can it be?
>>>> So good I wore one out then bought TWO more so I now have a backup!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> It must be nice to be rich!
>>>
>>
>> He's livin' the dream...and You?
>
>
> Paycheck to paycheck just hoping my 2002 Hyundai Accent doesn't break
> down again.
>
My mental health professional has directed me to apologize to this
group at large and to Marty and Steven in specific for acting out
here. A change in my medications is being made to address a disorder I
have been experiencing this summer. I will be monitored, but I am no
longer allowed to engage in certain activities I previously have
enjoyed as they exacerbate my condition. I apologize for being
disruptive, in a better state of mind this was generally not an issue
for me.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/$20W.$20Lohman


https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/casa$20boner

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 1:28:34 AM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 10:18:32 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
> >
> > I read you're up well over 5K EVs now - so I think it's coming along.
> >
> > I wonder if the peak load of solar power produced by a roof is fat
> > enough to quick charge an AV?
> >
> > For most purposes a 220 volt pipe is recommended.
>
> There are a lot of EVs on this rock. We're #2 in percentages of EVs on the road. The important number is state #1: California. The distances traveled make EVs a harder sell in that giant state. CA's numbers are a lot more impressive.
>
> You probably wouldn't be able to fully charge an EV with a home PV system if you consume a lot of kWs operating the car. I suppose you might be able to do it if your power consumption is low and you work a night job so you can charge your battery during the day. What probably has to happen is a PV system paired with a storage battery system of sufficient capacity.
>
> What might work well is having a second battery pack for your car that can be charged during peak sunlight hours while you're using your car. 'Scuse me while I speculate in an idle manner...

Oh my!! *I* might RUN OUT!!! *I* better get triple redundancy JUST IN CASE!!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

On 2/10/2018 6:55 PM, Alex wrote:
> La casa siempre gana wrote:
>> On 2/9/2018 7:54 PM, Alex wrote:
>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:52:53 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 2, 1994 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-6, Janice
>>>>>> Sadowski wrote:
>>>>>>> We never seem to buy the right pepper mill.Â* Can anyone recommend a
>>>>>>> really awesome pepper mill with some longevity?Â* Cost does not
>>>>>>> have to be a
>>>>>>> huge factor.
>>>>>>> Janice
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Bounds. I have an 8" Wooden pepper mill and love it!!
>>>>> Only 2 exclamation marks. How good can it be?
>>>> So good I wore one out then bought TWO more so I now have a backup!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> It must be nice to be rich!
>>>
>>
>> He's livin' the dream...and You?
>
>
> Paycheck to paycheck just hoping my 2002 Hyundai Accent doesn't break
> down again.
>
That's why it's fun to coattail on John's dreams!

On 2/11/2018 12:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 10:18:32 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>>
>> I read you're up well over 5K EVs now - so I think it's coming along.
>>
>> I wonder if the peak load of solar power produced by a roof is fat
>> enough to quick charge an AV?
>>
>> For most purposes a 220 volt pipe is recommended.
>
> There are a lot of EVs on this rock. We're #2 in percentages of EVs on the road. The important number is state #1: California. The distances traveled make EVs a harder sell in that giant state. CA's numbers are a lot more impressive.
>

A completely solid observation.

> You probably wouldn't be able to fully charge an EV with a home PV system if you consume a lot of kWs operating the car. I suppose you might be able to do it if your power consumption is low and you work a night job so you can charge your battery during the day. What probably has to happen is a PV system paired with a storage battery system of sufficient capacity.
>

Like Tesla's home battery system, sure.

> What might work well is having a second battery pack for your car that can be charged during peak sunlight hours while you're using your car. 'Scuse me while I speculate in an idle manner...
>
Musky of you...

;-)

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:45:12 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
> On 2/11/2018 12:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 10:18:32 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
> >>
> >> I read you're up well over 5K EVs now - so I think it's coming along.
> >>
> >> I wonder if the peak load of solar power produced by a roof is fat
> >> enough to quick charge an AV?
> >>
> >> For most purposes a 220 volt pipe is recommended.
> >
> > There are a lot of EVs on this rock. We're #2 in percentages of EVs on the road. The important number is state #1: California. The distances traveled make EVs a harder sell in that giant state. CA's numbers are a lot more impressive.
> >
>
> A completely solid observation.
>
> > You probably wouldn't be able to fully charge an EV with a home PV system if you consume a lot of kWs operating the car. I suppose you might be able to do it if your power consumption is low and you work a night job so you can charge your battery during the day. What probably has to happen is a PV system paired with a storage battery system of sufficient capacity.
> >
>
> Like Tesla's home battery system, sure.
>
> > What might work well is having a second battery pack for your car that can be charged during peak sunlight hours while you're using your car. 'Scuse me while I speculate in an idle manner...
> >
> Musky of you...
>
> ;-)

My guess is that in 10 to 20 years, these musings are going to look silly. We won't have to worry about car batteries and PVs and home power storage. Producing energy from sunlight and storing electricity in small solid state devices will be simple. How much would an electric car battery weigh? 100lbs, 50lbs? How much will cars weight? 2000lbs? 1000lbs? Hoo ha.

On 2/11/2018 10:50 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 6:45:12 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>> On 2/11/2018 12:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 10:18:32 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I read you're up well over 5K EVs now - so I think it's coming along.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if the peak load of solar power produced by a roof is fat
>>>> enough to quick charge an AV?
>>>>
>>>> For most purposes a 220 volt pipe is recommended.
>>>
>>> There are a lot of EVs on this rock. We're #2 in percentages of EVs on the road. The important number is state #1: California. The distances traveled make EVs a harder sell in that giant state. CA's numbers are a lot more impressive.
>>>
>>
>> A completely solid observation.
>>
>>> You probably wouldn't be able to fully charge an EV with a home PV system if you consume a lot of kWs operating the car. I suppose you might be able to do it if your power consumption is low and you work a night job so you can charge your battery during the day. What probably has to happen is a PV system paired with a storage battery system of sufficient capacity.
>>>
>>
>> Like Tesla's home battery system, sure.
>>
>>> What might work well is having a second battery pack for your car that can be charged during peak sunlight hours while you're using your car. 'Scuse me while I speculate in an idle manner...
>>>
>> Musky of you...
>>
>> ;-)
>
> My guess is that in 10 to 20 years, these musings are going to look silly. We won't have to worry about car batteries and PVs and home power storage. Producing energy from sunlight and storing electricity in small solid state devices will be simple. How much would an electric car battery weigh? 100lbs, 50lbs? How much will cars weight? 2000lbs? 1000lbs? Hoo ha.
>


I am 100% good with that until we get the weight too low.

Crosswind deaths would become a major problem.

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 8:00:31 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>
>
> I am 100% good with that until we get the weight too low.
>
> Crosswind deaths would become a major problem.

Back in the 80's my cars weighted in at 1800 to 2200 lbs. These days, cars will weigh at least 1000 lb more. Well, they do in America, at least. My guess is that cars might be able to lose some bloat due to electric drivetrains and new materials many times lighter and stronger than steel.

You're right about crosswinds being a problem, especially since cars are likely to be shaped like electric toasters instead of the cars of today. Perhaps cars should be shaped like Mentos.

On 2/11/2018 11:33 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 8:00:31 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am 100% good with that until we get the weight too low.
>>
>> Crosswind deaths would become a major problem.
>
> Back in the 80's my cars weighted in at 1800 to 2200 lbs. These days, cars will weigh at least 1000 lb more. Well, they do in America, at least. My guess is that cars might be able to lose some bloat due to electric drivetrains and new materials many times lighter and stronger than steel.
>

Absolutely they will, to a point at least.

> You're right about crosswinds being a problem, especially since cars are likely to be shaped like electric toasters instead of the cars of today. Perhaps cars should be shaped like Mentos.
>

<BOGGLE!>

My personal vote is for the wonderfully adaptable squid!

http://www.engineeredartworks.com/wp.../Squid-Car.jpg

Oh sure the tentacles will have crash worthiness issues,
but...wow...those aerodynamics!

On 2/11/2018 11:33 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> Perhaps cars should be shaped like Mentos.


And as I riff on...

The neighborhood SUV model:

http://fivetoncrane.org/wp-content/u...BM2011_044.jpg

For greenies big and small:

https://weburbanist.com/wp-content/u...8/splinter.jpg

Cuz what's old is new again:

https://laughingsquid.com/wp-content...inamica_03.jpg

And so on:

http://allthatsinteresting.com/weird-cars

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 8:40:04 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>
> <BOGGLE!>
>
> My personal vote is for the wonderfully adaptable squid!
>
> http://www.engineeredartworks.com/wp.../Squid-Car.jpg
>
> Oh sure the tentacles will have crash worthiness issues,
> but...wow...those aerodynamics!

That's wonderful. We can learn a lot from the animal world.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ro0BA5...facebook_s.jpg

On 2/11/2018 11:53 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 8:40:04 AM UTC-10, La casa siempre gana wrote:
>>
>> <BOGGLE!>
>>
>> My personal vote is for the wonderfully adaptable squid!
>>
>> http://www.engineeredartworks.com/wp.../Squid-Car.jpg
>>
>> Oh sure the tentacles will have crash worthiness issues,
>> but...wow...those aerodynamics!
>
> That's wonderful. We can learn a lot from the animal world.
>
> https://media.giphy.com/media/Ro0BA5...facebook_s.jpg
>
LOL!

And then this happened:

https://media.giphy.com/media/13UFvD5Pv1xjSU/giphy.gif