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On 2/8/2018 1:32 PM, graham wrote:
> It's infuriating that although I converted to Celsius almost 50 years > ago, my oven, having been made (in Italy by Bosch) for the US market, is > graduated in Foreignheit. My Rayburn shows both, so I can use recipes calling for either one, without stopping to mentally convert. The new dual-fuel cooker, though, only shows C (which I still think of as centigrade...). |
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On 2/8/2018 1:29 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 9:45 AM, casa de suspiros wrote: >> On 2/8/2018 8:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 2/7/2018 10:13 PM, Bruce wrote: >>>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:04:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> Oddly enough, people think it's perfectly natural that 8 oz of >>>>> butter by weight should be equal to one cup (8 oz) of butter. The >>>>> reality is that 1 cup of most things will not weigh 8 ounces. 1 cup >>>>> of gold will weight about 128 oz. It is a paradox that nobody ever >>>>> sees. >>>> >>>> You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to >>>> grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple. >>>> >>> >>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to >>> use metric.Â* Too lazy or too dumb to learn a simple system.Â* They >>> don't even realize our money has been that way forever. >> >> Regardless, metric under-represents temperature and mileage. >> >> Both are measured with far better granularity by the English system. > > Sorry but you are writing rubbish. > > My mental health professional has directed me to apologize to this group at large and to Marty and Steven in specific for acting out here. A change in my medications is being made to address a disorder I have been experiencing this summer. I will be monitored, but I am no longer allowed to engage in certain activities I previously have enjoyed as they exacerbate my condition. I apologize for being disruptive, in a better state of mind this was generally not an issue for me. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/$20W.$20Lohman https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/casa$20boner |
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On 2/8/2018 11:25 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 9:47 AM, casa de suspiros wrote: >> On 2/8/2018 9:17 AM, graham wrote: >>> On 2018-02-08 9:00 AM, notbob wrote: >>>> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >>>> >>>>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American >>>>> to use >>>>> metric. >>>> >>>> Strange.Â* You never struck me as one who cares what other's think. >>>> >>>> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with.Â* ;) >>>> >>>> nb >>>> >>> Actually, you would have no problems switching if all the media >>> stopped using foreignheit. >>> I can guarantee, from experience, that you would convert easily to >>> thinking in Celsius within a week. There would still be problems with >>> your kitchen stove, however, but that's only a number. >>> Graham >> >> >> Once more a 30C day will never 'feel' as warm as an 86F day... > > Once you have converted to using celsius, it will, I assure you! Given the coarser scale it is unlikely. I mean we can call day night and vice versa but it won't reset our basic circadian clocks. |
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On 2/8/2018 11:28 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 9:59 AM, casa de suspiros wrote: >> On 2/8/2018 9:52 AM, Dave Smith wrote: >>> Single digits are cold. When it gets up to 30... that's hot. >> >> >> Which is why metric is a massive FAIL for measuring environmental >> temperature. >> >> Coarse scale, very coarse. > > Can you tell the difference between, say, 55F and 57F? I very much doubt > it. Indeed I can /if/ the humidity is up too. When a dry lapse rate is in effect, not as easily. But on either end of the RH% driven scale a day that's 50F feels quite different from one that's 60F. Whereas in centigrade the difference between 10C and 15.5 is roughly halved in granularity. The numbers are just too small to reasonably account for what our skin and senses report back to us. |
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On 2/8/2018 11:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:43:41 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: > >> When people gripe about metric I test them on their knowledge of the >> Imperial system. They may know inches, feet and yards. The numbers of >> feet or yards in a mile is likely to be a puzzle, > > 5280 feet per mile > 5280/3 yards per mile ;) > > I can divide that in my head, but it'll take some time. > > and you can be sure >> they don't know about furlongs, chains, cables, rods and links. > > I know about them, but since I'm not a jockey or a surveyor, > I don't care to know about them in detail. > > That said, I'd love it if the U.S. adopted the metric system. > > Cindy Hamilton > Why would you banish the eponymous "92 in the shade" so easily? |
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On 2/8/2018 11:29 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 9:45 AM, casa de suspiros wrote: >> On 2/8/2018 8:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 2/7/2018 10:13 PM, Bruce wrote: >>>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:04:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> Oddly enough, people think it's perfectly natural that 8 oz of >>>>> butter by weight should be equal to one cup (8 oz) of butter. The >>>>> reality is that 1 cup of most things will not weigh 8 ounces. 1 cup >>>>> of gold will weight about 128 oz. It is a paradox that nobody ever >>>>> sees. >>>> >>>> You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to >>>> grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple. >>>> >>> >>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to >>> use metric.Â* Too lazy or too dumb to learn a simple system.Â* They >>> don't even realize our money has been that way forever. >> >> Regardless, metric under-represents temperature and mileage. >> >> Both are measured with far better granularity by the English system. > > Sorry but you are writing rubbish. No I'm not. Consider, the temperature conversion factor for metric to imperial is : degree Fahrenheit (F) degree Celsius (C) tc=(tF-32)/1.8 That's a coarse factor. |
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On 2/8/2018 11:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:47:36 AM UTC-5, casa de suspiros wrote: >> On 2/8/2018 9:17 AM, graham wrote: >>> On 2018-02-08 9:00 AM, notbob wrote: >>>> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >>>> >>>>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use >>>>> metric. >>>> >>>> Strange.Â* You never struck me as one who cares what other's think. >>>> >>>> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with.Â* ;) >>>> >>>> nb >>>> >>> Actually, you would have no problems switching if all the media stopped >>> using foreignheit. >>> I can guarantee, from experience, that you would convert easily to >>> thinking in Celsius within a week. There would still be problems with >>> your kitchen stove, however, but that's only a number. >>> Graham >> >> >> Once more a 30C day will never 'feel' as warm as an 86F day... > > I promise you, if I stepped outside on a 30 C day, I'd > be saying, "It's hot today." > > Cindy Hamilton > Physically, of course. Mentally speaking the number 30 does not represent said heat as visually as 86. I mean, would THIS look right in metric? http://media6.trover.com/T/565482a2d...w_large_4x.jpg Pass... |
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:43:29 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 1:29:42 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > > > Most things in the kitchen have a specific gravity near 1. "A pint's a pound" > > works for common items in common uses. I can't remember the last time I had a > > cup of gold or a cup of feathers. > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > As far as I know, butter is the only ingredient that considers weight to be the equivalent of volume. Butter ties pounds together with cups. A half-pound of butter is considered to be exactly one cup. I don't know if a half pound of butter is a cup of butter because I've never measured it. Everyone assumes it to be true. > > I don't know what specific gravity has to do with this. Do you know what specific gravity is? > Does 1 cup of water weigh a half-pound? Does this mean that a half-pound of flour, sugar, or eggs, is equal to 1 cup? It might be but nobody assumes this to be true - unless it's butter. One cup of water weighs half a pound. Its S.G. is 1.0. Anything whose S.G. is 1 (or close to it) will weigh a pound per pint. A cup of flour weighs 4.25 ounces, so no. Shelled eggs weigh about half a pound per cup. A cup of sugar weighs 7.1 ounces I've got a pizza recipe that has both weight and volume measurements. The water is 8 ounces for both weight and volume. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 5:52:32 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 10:13 PM, Bruce wrote: > > > > You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to > > grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple. > > > > There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use > metric. Too lazy or too dumb to learn a simple system. They don't even > realize our money has been that way forever. In the case of butter, confusing weight with volume is considered perfectly normal. In the case of cars, I realized the importance of using the metric system when I got my first British car. I use metric when I did paste-ups for a print shop I had. The layout sheets were in inches but I calculated the grids in mm. It's really tough to divide 7 3/4" into 3 equal parts. The reality is that the metric vs imperial system debate is kind of silly. The people that have to use the metric system already do. I don't have any problem using both. |
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 3:07:20 PM UTC-5, casa de suspiros wrote:
> On 2/8/2018 11:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:47:36 AM UTC-5, casa de suspiros wrote: > >> On 2/8/2018 9:17 AM, graham wrote: > >>> On 2018-02-08 9:00 AM, notbob wrote: > >>>> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use > >>>>> metric. > >>>> > >>>> Strange.Â* You never struck me as one who cares what other's think. > >>>> > >>>> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with.Â* ;) > >>>> > >>>> nb > >>>> > >>> Actually, you would have no problems switching if all the media stopped > >>> using foreignheit. > >>> I can guarantee, from experience, that you would convert easily to > >>> thinking in Celsius within a week. There would still be problems with > >>> your kitchen stove, however, but that's only a number. > >>> Graham > >> > >> > >> Once more a 30C day will never 'feel' as warm as an 86F day... > > > > I promise you, if I stepped outside on a 30 C day, I'd > > be saying, "It's hot today." > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > > > Physically, of course. > > Mentally speaking the number 30 does not represent said heat as visually > as 86. Only if you're unaccustomed to it. How about a balmy 303 Kelvin? Cindy Hamilton |
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On 2/8/2018 1:28 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 9:59 AM, casa de suspiros wrote: >> On 2/8/2018 9:52 AM, Dave Smith wrote: >>> Single digits are cold. When it gets up to 30... that's hot. >> >> >> Which is why metric is a massive FAIL for measuring environmental >> temperature. >> >> Coarse scale, very coarse. > > Can you tell the difference between, say, 55F and 57F? I very much doubt > it. If my wife complains she it cold, I bump the temperature 1 degree and she is happy. Over the years with co-workers complaining it is too hot or cold, I found that just going to the thermostat and pushing something makes them more comfortable. In once case a person was cold all the time until while she was at lunch, we pushed the glass bulb of the thermometer on her desk 2 degrees. |
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 6:39:22 AM UTC-10, casa de suspiros wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 8:06 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 10:42:54 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > >> > >> My son is a respiratory therapist. He would rather see kids smoking > >> cigarettes than using the vaping devices. Long term they are worse than > >> the real smokes. > > > > Nobody knows what the long term effects of vaping is. A lot of people would like to find out but it's going to take a while for researchers to get some answers. > > > > > Early bet - not so good. > > Book it. You might be right about that. I just get a kick seeing some guy spewing smoke out of him like some steam engine coming through the pines. |
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On 2/8/2018 1:44 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> -- > > 1760 yards = one mile off the top of my head!Â* But if that is not what > you meant ... > > Quarter mile is 1320 feet. Not that I did the math, it is from my drag racing days. If I had a horse I could probably tell you how many furlongs. |
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:09:13 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:43:29 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote: > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 1:29:42 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > > > > > Most things in the kitchen have a specific gravity near 1. "A pint's a pound" > > > works for common items in common uses. I can't remember the last time I had a > > > cup of gold or a cup of feathers. > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > > > As far as I know, butter is the only ingredient that considers weight to be the equivalent of volume. Butter ties pounds together with cups. A half-pound of butter is considered to be exactly one cup. I don't know if a half pound of butter is a cup of butter because I've never measured it. Everyone assumes it to be true. > > > > I don't know what specific gravity has to do with this. > > Do you know what specific gravity is? > > > Does 1 cup of water weigh a half-pound? Does this mean that a half-pound of flour, sugar, or eggs, is equal to 1 cup? It might be but nobody assumes this to be true - unless it's butter. > > One cup of water weighs half a pound. Its S.G. is 1.0. Anything whose > S.G. is 1 (or close to it) will weigh a pound per pint. > > A cup of flour weighs 4.25 ounces, so no. > > Shelled eggs weigh about half a pound per cup. > > A cup of sugar weighs 7.1 ounces > > I've got a pizza recipe that has both weight and volume measurements. > The water is 8 ounces for both weight and volume. > > Cindy Hamilton Yes, I do know what specific gravity is. So what? |
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On 2/8/2018 1:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 5:52:32 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> On 2/7/2018 10:13 PM, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to >>> grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple. >>> >> >> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use >> metric. Too lazy or too dumb to learn a simple system. They don't even >> realize our money has been that way forever. > > In the case of butter, confusing weight with volume is considered perfectly normal. In the case of cars, I realized the importance of using the metric system when I got my first British car. > > I use metric when I did paste-ups for a print shop I had. The layout sheets were in inches but I calculated the grids in mm. It's really tough to divide 7 3/4" into 3 equal parts. > > The reality is that the metric vs imperial system debate is kind of silly. The people that have to use the metric system already do. I don't have any problem using both. > Eggzactly! Use what's most friendly given the task at hand. Metric tooling makes perfect sense and your layout example confirms why most all of us hated multiplying and dividing by fractions when in school. Metric kicks fractions ass. |
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On 2/8/2018 1:11 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 3:07:20 PM UTC-5, casa de suspiros wrote: >> On 2/8/2018 11:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:47:36 AM UTC-5, casa de suspiros wrote: >>>> On 2/8/2018 9:17 AM, graham wrote: >>>>> On 2018-02-08 9:00 AM, notbob wrote: >>>>>> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use >>>>>>> metric. >>>>>> >>>>>> Strange.Â* You never struck me as one who cares what other's think. >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with.Â* ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> nb >>>>>> >>>>> Actually, you would have no problems switching if all the media stopped >>>>> using foreignheit. >>>>> I can guarantee, from experience, that you would convert easily to >>>>> thinking in Celsius within a week. There would still be problems with >>>>> your kitchen stove, however, but that's only a number. >>>>> Graham >>>> >>>> >>>> Once more a 30C day will never 'feel' as warm as an 86F day... >>> >>> I promise you, if I stepped outside on a 30 C day, I'd >>> be saying, "It's hot today." >>> >>> Cindy Hamilton >>> >> >> Physically, of course. >> >> Mentally speaking the number 30 does not represent said heat as visually >> as 86. > > Only if you're unaccustomed to it. I am. > How about a balmy 303 Kelvin? > > Cindy Hamilton Kelvin has left the building... ;-) |
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On 2/8/2018 1:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 6:39:22 AM UTC-10, casa de suspiros wrote: >> On 2/7/2018 8:06 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 10:42:54 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>> >>>> My son is a respiratory therapist. He would rather see kids smoking >>>> cigarettes than using the vaping devices. Long term they are worse than >>>> the real smokes. >>> >>> Nobody knows what the long term effects of vaping is. A lot of people would like to find out but it's going to take a while for researchers to get some answers. >>> >> >> >> Early bet - not so good. >> >> Book it. > > You might be right about that. I just get a kick seeing some guy spewing smoke out of him like some steam engine coming through the pines. > It was artistic to watch for sure. I just read this Am that vaping is also a pneumonia causal factor. We'll find over time that it's as bad as smoke in different ways. Like say that alcohol vaporizing machine - scary stuff that. |
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 9:57:20 AM UTC-10, casa de suspiros wrote:
> > Given the coarser scale it is unlikely. > > I mean we can call day night and vice versa but it won't reset our basic > circadian clocks. Measuring your body weight in stones is great for people who like to fudge their weight (and like to eat a whole lot of fudge.) America should adopt this system forthwith. |
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On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 12:11:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 3:07:20 PM UTC-5, casa de suspiros wrote: >> On 2/8/2018 11:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >> > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:47:36 AM UTC-5, casa de suspiros wrote: >> >> >> >> Once more a 30C day will never 'feel' as warm as an 86F day... >> > >> > I promise you, if I stepped outside on a 30 C day, I'd >> > be saying, "It's hot today." >> > >> > Cindy Hamilton >> > >> >> Physically, of course. >> >> Mentally speaking the number 30 does not represent said heat as visually >> as 86. > >Only if you're unaccustomed to it. > >How about a balmy 303 Kelvin? But to be honest: why would Americans change? Both systems work. |
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On 2/8/2018 1:26 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 9:57:20 AM UTC-10, casa de suspiros wrote: >> >> Given the coarser scale it is unlikely. >> >> I mean we can call day night and vice versa but it won't reset our basic >> circadian clocks. > > Measuring your body weight in stones is great for people who like to fudge their weight (and like to eat a whole lot of fudge.) America should adopt this system forthwith. > ROTFLOL! And for those noisy seagulls out there, let no tern go un-stoned... %-0 |
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On 2018-02-08 1:09 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:43:29 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote: >> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 1:29:42 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>> >>> Most things in the kitchen have a specific gravity near 1. "A pint's a pound" >>> works for common items in common uses. I can't remember the last time I had a >>> cup of gold or a cup of feathers. >>> >>> Cindy Hamilton >> >> As far as I know, butter is the only ingredient that considers weight to be the equivalent of volume. Butter ties pounds together with cups. A half-pound of butter is considered to be exactly one cup. I don't know if a half pound of butter is a cup of butter because I've never measured it. Everyone assumes it to be true. >> >> I don't know what specific gravity has to do with this. > > Do you know what specific gravity is? > >> Does 1 cup of water weigh a half-pound? Does this mean that a half-pound of flour, sugar, or eggs, is equal to 1 cup? It might be but nobody assumes this to be true - unless it's butter. > > One cup of water weighs half a pound. Its S.G. is 1.0. Anything whose > S.G. is 1 (or close to it) will weigh a pound per pint. > > A cup of flour weighs 4.25 ounces, Sometimes!!!!! Depending on how you fill the cup and level off, it can be anywhere from a bit less than 4oz to 5oz. That variability will make a huge difference when making pastry or sponge cakes. *But we've been through this umpteen times before and no doubt will go through it many more times.* > > Shelled eggs weigh about half a pound per cup. Small, medium, large or XL? |
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On 2018-02-08 1:32 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 11:05 AM, Bruce wrote: >> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:52:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> > It's infuriating that although I converted to Celsius almost 50 years > ago, my oven, having been made (in Italy by Bosch) for the US market, is > graduated in Foreignheit. RTFM. If it is a relatively new oven with digital controls it can probably be configured to read C or F. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 2/8/2018 1:44 PM, Ophelia wrote: > -- > > 1760 yards = one mile off the top of my head! But if that is not what > you meant ... > > Quarter mile is 1320 feet. Not that I did the math, it is from my drag racing days. If I had a horse I could probably tell you how many furlongs. == I just remember it from schooldays. |
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"dsi1" wrote in message ... On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 9:57:20 AM UTC-10, casa de suspiros wrote: > > Given the coarser scale it is unlikely. > > I mean we can call day night and vice versa but it won't reset our basic > circadian clocks. Measuring your body weight in stones is great for people who like to fudge their weight (and like to eat a whole lot of fudge.) America should adopt this system forthwith == We do our body weight in stones and lbs. |
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 3:20:37 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:09:13 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:43:29 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 1:29:42 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > > > > > > > Most things in the kitchen have a specific gravity near 1. "A pint's a pound" > > > > works for common items in common uses. I can't remember the last time I had a > > > > cup of gold or a cup of feathers. > > > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > > > > > As far as I know, butter is the only ingredient that considers weight to be the equivalent of volume. Butter ties pounds together with cups. A half-pound of butter is considered to be exactly one cup. I don't know if a half pound of butter is a cup of butter because I've never measured it. Everyone assumes it to be true. > > > > > > I don't know what specific gravity has to do with this. > > > > Do you know what specific gravity is? > > > > > Does 1 cup of water weigh a half-pound? Does this mean that a half-pound of flour, sugar, or eggs, is equal to 1 cup? It might be but nobody assumes this to be true - unless it's butter. > > > > One cup of water weighs half a pound. Its S.G. is 1.0. Anything whose > > S.G. is 1 (or close to it) will weigh a pound per pint. > > > > A cup of flour weighs 4.25 ounces, so no. > > > > Shelled eggs weigh about half a pound per cup. > > > > A cup of sugar weighs 7.1 ounces > > > > I've got a pizza recipe that has both weight and volume measurements. > > The water is 8 ounces for both weight and volume. > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > Yes, I do know what specific gravity is. So what? Why, then, did you say you don't know what S.G. has to do with the differences in weight of a given volume of various substances? A cup of something with a S.G. of 0.5 will weigh half of what a cup of something with a S.G. of 1.0. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 4:04:00 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 1:09 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:43:29 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote: > >> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 1:29:42 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > >>> > >>> Most things in the kitchen have a specific gravity near 1. "A pint's a pound" > >>> works for common items in common uses. I can't remember the last time I had a > >>> cup of gold or a cup of feathers. > >>> > >>> Cindy Hamilton > >> > >> As far as I know, butter is the only ingredient that considers weight to be the equivalent of volume. Butter ties pounds together with cups. A half-pound of butter is considered to be exactly one cup. I don't know if a half pound of butter is a cup of butter because I've never measured it. Everyone assumes it to be true. > >> > >> I don't know what specific gravity has to do with this. > > > > Do you know what specific gravity is? > > > >> Does 1 cup of water weigh a half-pound? Does this mean that a half-pound of flour, sugar, or eggs, is equal to 1 cup? It might be but nobody assumes this to be true - unless it's butter. > > > > One cup of water weighs half a pound. Its S.G. is 1.0. Anything whose > > S.G. is 1 (or close to it) will weigh a pound per pint. > > > > A cup of flour weighs 4.25 ounces, > > Sometimes!!!!! Depending on how you fill the cup and level off, it can > be anywhere from a bit less than 4oz to 5oz. That variability will make > a huge difference when making pastry or sponge cakes. > *But we've been through this umpteen times before and no doubt will go > through it many more times.* > > > > Shelled eggs weigh about half a pound per cup. > Small, medium, large or XL? Once you've shelled them and measured out 8 fluid ounces, does it matter what size they were when you started? Note that I'm talking about cookery, not analytical chemistry. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 13:30:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 4:04:00 PM UTC-5, graham wrote: >> On 2018-02-08 1:09 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >> > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:43:29 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote: >> >> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 1:29:42 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Most things in the kitchen have a specific gravity near 1. "A pint's a pound" >> >>> works for common items in common uses. I can't remember the last time I had a >> >>> cup of gold or a cup of feathers. >> >>> >> >>> Cindy Hamilton >> >> >> >> As far as I know, butter is the only ingredient that considers weight to be the equivalent of volume. Butter ties pounds together with cups. A half-pound of butter is considered to be exactly one cup. I don't know if a half pound of butter is a cup of butter because I've never measured it. Everyone assumes it to be true. >> >> >> >> I don't know what specific gravity has to do with this. >> > >> > Do you know what specific gravity is? >> > >> >> Does 1 cup of water weigh a half-pound? Does this mean that a half-pound of flour, sugar, or eggs, is equal to 1 cup? It might be but nobody assumes this to be true - unless it's butter. >> > >> > One cup of water weighs half a pound. Its S.G. is 1.0. Anything whose >> > S.G. is 1 (or close to it) will weigh a pound per pint. >> > >> > A cup of flour weighs 4.25 ounces, >> >> Sometimes!!!!! Depending on how you fill the cup and level off, it can >> be anywhere from a bit less than 4oz to 5oz. That variability will make >> a huge difference when making pastry or sponge cakes. >> *But we've been through this umpteen times before and no doubt will go >> through it many more times.* >> > >> > Shelled eggs weigh about half a pound per cup. >> Small, medium, large or XL? > >Once you've shelled them and measured out 8 fluid ounces, does it matter >what size they were when you started? > >Note that I'm talking about cookery, not analytical chemistry. But you had to control yourself, didn't you? |
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 3:20:37 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote: > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:09:13 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:43:29 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 1:29:42 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Most things in the kitchen have a specific gravity near 1. "A pint's a pound" > > > > > works for common items in common uses. I can't remember the last time I had a > > > > > cup of gold or a cup of feathers. > > > > > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > > > > > > > As far as I know, butter is the only ingredient that considers weight to be the equivalent of volume. Butter ties pounds together with cups. A half-pound of butter is considered to be exactly one cup. I don't know if a half pound of butter is a cup of butter because I've never measured it. Everyone assumes it to be true. > > > > > > > > I don't know what specific gravity has to do with this. > > > > > > Do you know what specific gravity is? > > > > > > > Does 1 cup of water weigh a half-pound? Does this mean that a half-pound of flour, sugar, or eggs, is equal to 1 cup? It might be but nobody assumes this to be true - unless it's butter. > > > > > > One cup of water weighs half a pound. Its S.G. is 1.0. Anything whose > > > S.G. is 1 (or close to it) will weigh a pound per pint. > > > > > > A cup of flour weighs 4.25 ounces, so no. > > > > > > Shelled eggs weigh about half a pound per cup. > > > > > > A cup of sugar weighs 7.1 ounces > > > > > > I've got a pizza recipe that has both weight and volume measurements. > > > The water is 8 ounces for both weight and volume. > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > > > Yes, I do know what specific gravity is. So what? > > Why, then, did you say you don't know what S.G. has to do with the differences > in weight of a given volume of various substances? A cup of something > with a S.G. of 0.5 will weigh half of what a cup of something with a > S.G. of 1.0. > > Cindy Hamilton Specific gravity does not tie together mass and volume of different baking ingredients. Quite the opposite, it illustrates how different substances are different from each other. The specific gravity of a material is a highly precise measurement of relative density under highly specific conditions. That you even bring up this term in reference to baking ingredients is ridiculous. If you want to insist that one cup of sugar or sugar or whatever is equal to half a pound of weight, that's your prerogative. Don't expect me to buy in. |
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 9:32:59 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 3:20:37 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:09:13 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:43:29 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote: > > > > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 1:29:42 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Most things in the kitchen have a specific gravity near 1. "A pint's a pound" > > > > > > works for common items in common uses. I can't remember the last time I had a > > > > > > cup of gold or a cup of feathers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > As far as I know, butter is the only ingredient that considers weight to be the equivalent of volume. Butter ties pounds together with cups. A half-pound of butter is considered to be exactly one cup. I don't know if a half pound of butter is a cup of butter because I've never measured it. Everyone assumes it to be true. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what specific gravity has to do with this. > > > > > > > > Do you know what specific gravity is? > > > > > > > > > Does 1 cup of water weigh a half-pound? Does this mean that a half-pound of flour, sugar, or eggs, is equal to 1 cup? It might be but nobody assumes this to be true - unless it's butter. > > > > > > > > One cup of water weighs half a pound. Its S.G. is 1.0. Anything whose > > > > S.G. is 1 (or close to it) will weigh a pound per pint. > > > > > > > > A cup of flour weighs 4.25 ounces, so no. > > > > > > > > Shelled eggs weigh about half a pound per cup. > > > > > > > > A cup of sugar weighs 7.1 ounces > > > > > > > > I've got a pizza recipe that has both weight and volume measurements. > > > > The water is 8 ounces for both weight and volume. > > > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > > > > > Yes, I do know what specific gravity is. So what? > > > > Why, then, did you say you don't know what S.G. has to do with the differences > > in weight of a given volume of various substances? A cup of something > > with a S.G. of 0.5 will weigh half of what a cup of something with a > > S.G. of 1.0. > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > Specific gravity does not tie together mass and volume of different baking ingredients. Quite the opposite, it illustrates how different substances are different from each other. The specific gravity of a material is a highly precise measurement of relative density under highly specific conditions.. That you even bring up this term in reference to baking ingredients is ridiculous. If you want to insist that one cup of sugar or sugar or whatever is equal to half a pound of weight, that's your prerogative. Don't expect me to buy in. Why on earth did you suppose I said things like "specific gravity close to 1" rather than S.G. = 1.000 ? Cindy Hamilton |
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On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:13:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > Why on earth did you suppose I said things like "specific gravity close to 1" > rather than S.G. = 1.000 ? > > Cindy Hamilton A 12 year old beginning cook might believe that half a pound of sugar or flour is equal to an eight ounce cup. Later on, we learn the difference between fluid ounce measure and weight measure. Woe be to the cook that never understands this. Your idea is unnatural and unholy. It rocks the entire foundation of cookery as practiced in the 21st century. Please repent before it's too late. Butter is the only ingredient where weight and volume is commonly used interchangeably. This makes butter the ingredient of the devil. Most people never realize this but I know the work of the evil one even in the most misleading of disguises. |
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On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 11:01:10 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:13:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > > > Why on earth did you suppose I said things like "specific gravity close to 1" > > rather than S.G. = 1.000 ? > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > A 12 year old beginning cook might believe that half a pound of sugar or flour is equal to an eight ounce cup. Later on, we learn the difference between fluid ounce measure and weight measure. Still later we learn that we can take shortcuts in measuring if the ingredient has a density near that of water. Actually, my favorite shortcut is that 3/8 cup and 1/3 cup are close enough to the same that it's not worth worrying about. >Woe be to the cook that never understands this. Your idea is unnatural and unholy. It rocks the entire foundation of cookery as practiced in the 21st century. Please repent before it's too late. Never! Mwah hah hah hah!!!!! > Butter is the only ingredient where weight and volume is commonly used interchangeably. This makes butter the ingredient of the devil. Most people never realize this but I know the work of the evil one even in the most misleading of disguises. I'll save you from the Dread Butter. Send me all of your butter, and remain pure. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 2/9/2018 9:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Send me all of your butter, and > remain pure. And the Crisco???? |
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On 2/9/2018 9:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> I'll save you from the Dread Butter. With???? |
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On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:25:23 PM UTC-5, Ed Melman wrote:
> On 2/9/2018 9:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > I'll save you from the Dread Butter. > > > With???? By eating the butter myself. I'm willing to take on the risk in order to save dsi1 from the evil that is butter. CIndy Hamilton |
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On 2/5/2018 10:27 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > A couple years ago someone opened up a specialty donut store in a nearby > city. They charge something like $2.50 each. As good as they are, I > wondered about their chances of success with those prices.Â* I was down > that way a couple weeks ago and saw that the place was closed up, but as > i went by I saw the notice in the window.Â* They had moved around the > corner and are now in a much larger and much nice location.Â* They seem > to be doing very well. If they also sell coffee (doesn't have to be fancy lattes, etc., just good) I'm sure they're doing well. Good for them! I personally wouldn't go to a donut shop or a cupcake shop. I have a bit more of a sweet tooth than I did when I was younger, but even if I lived in a urban setting where I could walk to a donut or cupcake shop, I wouldn't. That's just me. Jill |
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On 2/5/2018 5:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I suppose that you may think it is immature to be proud of the use of > kill files.Â* I might suggest that it is much more mature than constantly > nymshifting to get past filters.Â* Filtering is a way of ignoring people > that one thinks is a bit of an asshole.Â* Nymshifting to get past filters > is a matter of throwing in the towel and admitting that you are an asshole. The lengths he goes to nymshifting is pretty damn sad. Got no one to play with? Waaaaah! Jill |
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On 2/9/2018 6:15 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/5/2018 5:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote: >> I suppose that you may think it is immature to be proud of the use of >> kill files.Â* I might suggest that it is much more mature than >> constantly nymshifting to get past filters.Â* Filtering is a way of >> ignoring people that one thinks is a bit of an asshole.Â* Nymshifting >> to get past filters is a matter of throwing in the towel and admitting >> that you are an asshole. > > The lengths he goes to nymshifting is pretty damn sad.Â* Got no one to > play with?Â* Waaaaah! > > Jill The killfile sniper is back at it... .-.____________________.-. ___ _.' .-----. _____________|======+----------------+ /_._/ ( | /_____________| | THE | / ` _ ____/ |RFC BULLY BUNCH | |_ .\( \\ |________________| .' `-._/__`_// .' |""""' / / / | | ' | \ `-._____.-' |
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On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 4:28:20 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message > ... > > On 2018-02-08 9:35 AM, wrote: > > > >>> While a lot of people viewed it as a dirty and unhealthy habit, there > >>> were some who had viewed it as harmless and perhaps beneficial. My > >>> friend, a chain smoking doctor, thought it was a good way for women to > >>> keep their weight down. He knew there were health risks, but that they > >>> were not has bad as overeating. > >> > >> He was correct, I know I put on 10lbs promptly when I quit and I was > >> not nibbling or changing my eating habits in the least. In fact, one > >> tip I had was to avoid situations where you enjoyed a cigarette. So > >> after supper when I would normally have really enjoyed a cigarette, I > >> got straight up from the table and took the dog for a walk. It was > >> at least two years before I returned to my normal weight. > > > > When I quit smoking I also went on a diet. After a while the weight > > started going up. You don't worry about 3-4 pounds a year, but it adds > > up. After heart surgery I was on a strict diet and dropped 25 pounds. > > Seven years later.... it is back. > > I gained no weight when I quit smoking. I didn't feel any better. I felt > worse. Food didn't taste better. Always the rebel...swimming against the current. I'll bet that you will always be...it must be in your genes. ===== |
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On 2/10/2018 9:39 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 4:28:20 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote: >> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 2018-02-08 9:35 AM, wrote: >>> >>>>> While a lot of people viewed it as a dirty and unhealthy habit, there >>>>> were some who had viewed it as harmless and perhaps beneficial. My >>>>> friend, a chain smoking doctor, thought it was a good way for women to >>>>> keep their weight down. He knew there were health risks, but that they >>>>> were not has bad as overeating. >>>> >>>> He was correct, I know I put on 10lbs promptly when I quit and I was >>>> not nibbling or changing my eating habits in the least. In fact, one >>>> tip I had was to avoid situations where you enjoyed a cigarette. So >>>> after supper when I would normally have really enjoyed a cigarette, I >>>> got straight up from the table and took the dog for a walk. It was >>>> at least two years before I returned to my normal weight. >>> >>> When I quit smoking I also went on a diet. After a while the weight >>> started going up. You don't worry about 3-4 pounds a year, but it adds >>> up. After heart surgery I was on a strict diet and dropped 25 pounds. >>> Seven years later.... it is back. >> >> I gained no weight when I quit smoking. I didn't feel any better. I felt >> worse. Food didn't taste better. > > Always the rebel...swimming against the current. I'll bet that you will always > be...it must be in your genes. > ===== > Honesty like hers baffles you, eh? |
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