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Gary 08-02-2018 01:50 PM

Where did I go wrong?
 
"U.S. Janet B." wrote:

> "Paul M. Cook" said:
> >I have the same tub of Crisco in
> >my fridge that I bought 5 years ago. If I ate it with a spoon I'd be
> >concerned.


> exactly.


Akutaq :)

Gary 08-02-2018 01:50 PM

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dsi1 wrote:
>
> Here's the perfect cupcake.
> http://maharajafoods.com/893/hostess...oc-1270-oz.jpg


There is much wisdom in your words.

Gary 08-02-2018 01:51 PM

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Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > wrote:
> > I mostly fry spam in crisco shortening.

>
> I just put it in a pan. No added fat.


I put it on a sandwich with no cooking.
White bread, mayo, spam and lettuce.

Gary 08-02-2018 02:03 PM

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wrote:
>
> John Kuthe wrote:
> >And I always ask people:
> >Would you eat a cracker smeared with a gob of Crisco? Butter!! :-)

>
> It's not intended to be eaten uncooked!


There are exceptions though -
-----------------------------------------------------------
Akutaq (aka Eskimo Ice Cream)

1 cup solid vegetable shortening*
1 cup granulated sugar
1/2 cup water, berry juice, or 2 cups loose snow (optional)
4 cups fresh berries, (blueberries, cloudberries, cranberries,
salmon berries, or blackberries)**

* Crisco solid vegetable shortening is preferred.

** Use one or more different types of berries.
------------------------------------------------------------
Many variations of this but these days, crisco is most often
used rather than lard. Cooked fish is also a common ingredient.

Cindy Hamilton[_2_] 08-02-2018 02:11 PM

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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 7:33:11 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 18:58:40 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 5:28:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:

> >...
> >> >
> >> > I keep hearing about Crisco. What is the attraction?
> >>
> >> Marketing, mostly.
> >>
> >> When animal fats were being portrayed as evil, Crisco was advertising
> >> "all vegetable Crisco".
> >>
> >> Plus, it's shelf stable. You can have a can of it on the shelf for
> >> years.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton

> >
> >And I always ask people:
> >
> >Would you eat a cracker smeared with a gob of Crisco? Butter!! :-)
> >
> >John Kuthe...

>
> It's not intended to be eaten uncooked!


Unless you eat Twinkies.

<http://discovermagazine.com/2007/mar/book-excerpt>

Cindy Hamilton

S Viemeister[_2_] 08-02-2018 02:17 PM

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On 2/8/2018 9:03 AM, Gary wrote

> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Akutaq (aka Eskimo Ice Cream)
>
> 1 cup solid vegetable shortening*
> 1 cup granulated sugar
> 1/2 cup water, berry juice, or 2 cups loose snow (optional)
> 4 cups fresh berries, (blueberries, cloudberries, cranberries,
> salmon berries, or blackberries)**
>
> * Crisco solid vegetable shortening is preferred.
>
> ** Use one or more different types of berries.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Many variations of this but these days, crisco is most often
> used rather than lard. Cooked fish is also a common ingredient.
>

When I first saw this recipe, the fat called for, was whale blubber.


Dave Smith[_1_] 08-02-2018 02:25 PM

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On 2018-02-08 7:39 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 03:27:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton


>>> Relax, Archie. He had a choice, but did he know how unhealthy it was?

>>
>> Cigarettes have been called "coffin nails" since the 19th Century.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

>
> Approximately 40 years ago we both smoked a pack a day when the then
> premier of the province upped the sin tax on cigarettes which meant a
> carton of cigarettes would top $10 ! So we decided, too much for
> smoking and we quit. I have to smile now when I see a PACKET of
> cigarettes is close to $20.00 !
>
> Nobody was really hammering on about it being bad for you, that came a
> few years later, seem to think it was a very personable US Surgeon
> General who got people quitting.


While a lot of people viewed it as a dirty and unhealthy habit, there
were some who had viewed it as harmless and perhaps beneficial. My
friend, a chain smoking doctor, thought it was a good way for women to
keep their weight down. He knew there were health risks, but that they
were not has bad as overeating.


[email protected] 08-02-2018 02:31 PM

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 09:03:37 -0500, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>> >And I always ask people:
>> >Would you eat a cracker smeared with a gob of Crisco? Butter!! :-)

>>
>> It's not intended to be eaten uncooked!

>
>There are exceptions though -
>-----------------------------------------------------------
> Akutaq (aka Eskimo Ice Cream)
>
>1 cup solid vegetable shortening*
>1 cup granulated sugar
>1/2 cup water, berry juice, or 2 cups loose snow (optional)
>4 cups fresh berries, (blueberries, cloudberries, cranberries,
>salmon berries, or blackberries)**
>
>* Crisco solid vegetable shortening is preferred.
>
>** Use one or more different types of berries.
>------------------------------------------------------------
>Many variations of this but these days, crisco is most often
>used rather than lard. Cooked fish is also a common ingredient.

Puke!

[email protected] 08-02-2018 02:32 PM

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 06:11:23 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 7:33:11 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 18:58:40 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 5:28:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>> >...
>> >> >
>> >> > I keep hearing about Crisco. What is the attraction?
>> >>
>> >> Marketing, mostly.
>> >>
>> >> When animal fats were being portrayed as evil, Crisco was advertising
>> >> "all vegetable Crisco".
>> >>
>> >> Plus, it's shelf stable. You can have a can of it on the shelf for
>> >> years.
>> >>
>> >> Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> >And I always ask people:
>> >
>> >Would you eat a cracker smeared with a gob of Crisco? Butter!! :-)
>> >
>> >John Kuthe...

>>
>> It's not intended to be eaten uncooked!

>
>Unless you eat Twinkies.
>
><http://discovermagazine.com/2007/mar/book-excerpt>
>
>Cindy Hamilton


Thankfully I have never eaten one - urrrgghh

[email protected] 08-02-2018 02:33 PM

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:17:33 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 2/8/2018 9:03 AM, Gary wrote
>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> Akutaq (aka Eskimo Ice Cream)
>>
>> 1 cup solid vegetable shortening*
>> 1 cup granulated sugar
>> 1/2 cup water, berry juice, or 2 cups loose snow (optional)
>> 4 cups fresh berries, (blueberries, cloudberries, cranberries,
>> salmon berries, or blackberries)**
>>
>> * Crisco solid vegetable shortening is preferred.
>>
>> ** Use one or more different types of berries.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Many variations of this but these days, crisco is most often
>> used rather than lard. Cooked fish is also a common ingredient.
>>

>When I first saw this recipe, the fat called for, was whale blubber.


That would make more sense, but I don't think it would tempt me :)

[email protected] 08-02-2018 02:35 PM

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:25:32 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-02-08 7:39 AM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 03:27:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

>
>>>> Relax, Archie. He had a choice, but did he know how unhealthy it was?
>>>
>>> Cigarettes have been called "coffin nails" since the 19th Century.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton

>>
>> Approximately 40 years ago we both smoked a pack a day when the then
>> premier of the province upped the sin tax on cigarettes which meant a
>> carton of cigarettes would top $10 ! So we decided, too much for
>> smoking and we quit. I have to smile now when I see a PACKET of
>> cigarettes is close to $20.00 !
>>
>> Nobody was really hammering on about it being bad for you, that came a
>> few years later, seem to think it was a very personable US Surgeon
>> General who got people quitting.

>
>While a lot of people viewed it as a dirty and unhealthy habit, there
>were some who had viewed it as harmless and perhaps beneficial. My
>friend, a chain smoking doctor, thought it was a good way for women to
>keep their weight down. He knew there were health risks, but that they
>were not has bad as overeating.


He was correct, I know I put on 10lbs promptly when I quit and I was
not nibbling or changing my eating habits in the least. In fact, one
tip I had was to avoid situations where you enjoyed a cigarette. So
after supper when I would normally have really enjoyed a cigarette, I
got straight up from the table and took the dog for a walk. It was
at least two years before I returned to my normal weight.

Dave Smith[_1_] 08-02-2018 02:41 PM

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On 2018-02-08 9:35 AM, wrote:

>> While a lot of people viewed it as a dirty and unhealthy habit, there
>> were some who had viewed it as harmless and perhaps beneficial. My
>> friend, a chain smoking doctor, thought it was a good way for women to
>> keep their weight down. He knew there were health risks, but that they
>> were not has bad as overeating.

>
> He was correct, I know I put on 10lbs promptly when I quit and I was
> not nibbling or changing my eating habits in the least. In fact, one
> tip I had was to avoid situations where you enjoyed a cigarette. So
> after supper when I would normally have really enjoyed a cigarette, I
> got straight up from the table and took the dog for a walk. It was
> at least two years before I returned to my normal weight.


When I quit smoking I also went on a diet. After a while the weight
started going up. You don't worry about 3-4 pounds a year, but it adds
up. After heart surgery I was on a strict diet and dropped 25 pounds.
Seven years later.... it is back.





Cindy Hamilton[_2_] 08-02-2018 03:10 PM

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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 9:32:44 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 06:11:23 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 7:33:11 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> >> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 18:58:40 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 5:28:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I keep hearing about Crisco. What is the attraction?
> >> >>
> >> >> Marketing, mostly.
> >> >>
> >> >> When animal fats were being portrayed as evil, Crisco was advertising
> >> >> "all vegetable Crisco".
> >> >>
> >> >> Plus, it's shelf stable. You can have a can of it on the shelf for
> >> >> years.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >> >
> >> >And I always ask people:
> >> >
> >> >Would you eat a cracker smeared with a gob of Crisco? Butter!! :-)
> >> >
> >> >John Kuthe...
> >>
> >> It's not intended to be eaten uncooked!

> >
> >Unless you eat Twinkies.
> >
> ><http://discovermagazine.com/2007/mar/book-excerpt>
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton

>
> Thankfully I have never eaten one - urrrgghh


If I recall correctly, they're not as bad as they sound.
They're horrifically sweet and the filling leaves a
greasy film inside your mouth, but I've eaten much
worse things. Not recently, though.

Cindy Hamilton

Ed Pawlowski 08-02-2018 03:52 PM

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On 2/7/2018 10:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:04:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:


>> Oddly enough, people think it's perfectly natural that 8 oz of butter by weight should be equal to one cup (8 oz) of butter. The reality is that 1 cup of most things will not weigh 8 ounces. 1 cup of gold will weight about 128 oz. It is a paradox that nobody ever sees.

>
> You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to
> grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple.
>


There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
metric. Too lazy or too dumb to learn a simple system. They don't even
realize our money has been that way forever.

notbob 08-02-2018 04:00 PM

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On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
> metric.


Strange. You never struck me as one who cares what other's think.

BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with. ;)

nb


Graham 08-02-2018 04:17 PM

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On 2018-02-08 9:00 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
>> metric.

>
> Strange. You never struck me as one who cares what other's think.
>
> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with. ;)
>
> nb
>

Actually, you would have no problems switching if all the media stopped
using foreignheit.
I can guarantee, from experience, that you would convert easily to
thinking in Celsius within a week. There would still be problems with
your kitchen stove, however, but that's only a number.
Graham

casa de suspiros 08-02-2018 04:37 PM

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On 2/7/2018 7:44 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 10:11:44 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> They are trying to get the vape thingies on prescription now ... free on the
>> NHS!

>
> As an added bonus, you can do tricks!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVXR7xttUeo
>


Ah to be young, dumb, and havin' some fun...

Hope his lungs last out a lifetime...

casa de suspiros 08-02-2018 04:39 PM

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On 2/7/2018 8:06 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 10:42:54 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> My son is a respiratory therapist. He would rather see kids smoking
>> cigarettes than using the vaping devices. Long term they are worse than
>> the real smokes.

>
> Nobody knows what the long term effects of vaping is. A lot of people would like to find out but it's going to take a while for researchers to get some answers.
>



Early bet - not so good.

Book it.

casa de suspiros 08-02-2018 04:40 PM

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On 2/7/2018 8:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:04:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 10:04:11 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-07 11:58 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> .
>>>>
>>>> A half pound of butter, 2 sticks, is also one cup. That's rather odd. It is in butter that our system of weights and liquid measure converges.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rather messily I think:-)

>>
>> Oddly enough, people think it's perfectly natural that 8 oz of butter by weight should be equal to one cup (8 oz) of butter. The reality is that 1 cup of most things will not weigh 8 ounces. 1 cup of gold will weight about 128 oz. It is a paradox that nobody ever sees.

>
> You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to
> grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple.
>


And a coarse temperature scale that utterly under-represents by a
significant margin.

Pass.

casa de suspiros 08-02-2018 04:40 PM

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On 2/7/2018 9:01 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >, notbob
> > wrote:
>
>> I remember when 'propolyne glycol' usta be used as a sweetener in diet
>> Dr Pepper. I noticed the "gycol" in the ingredients cuz I was working
>> with ethylene glycol (anti-freeze) at the time and knew, despite its
>> propensity toward sweetness, it was highly toxic to most mammals. 8|

>
> Propylene glycol is to ethylene glycol as ethanol is to methanol. Two
> ain't bad. Two will kill you quick. Be safe out there!
>
> leo
>

+1

casa de suspiros 08-02-2018 04:45 PM

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On 2/8/2018 8:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 10:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:04:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:

>
>>> Oddly enough, people think it's perfectly natural that 8 oz of butter
>>> by weight should be equal to one cup (8 oz) of butter. The reality is
>>> that 1 cup of most things will not weigh 8 ounces. 1 cup of gold will
>>> weight about 128 oz. It is a paradox that nobody ever sees.

>>
>> You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to
>> grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple.
>>

>
> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
> metric.Â* Too lazy or too dumb to learn a simple system.Â* They don't even
> realize our money has been that way forever.


Regardless, metric under-represents temperature and mileage.

Both are measured with far better granularity by the English system.

Dave Smith[_1_] 08-02-2018 04:45 PM

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On 2018-02-08 10:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to
>> grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple.
>>

>
> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
> metric.Â* Too lazy or too dumb to learn a simple system.Â* They don't even
> realize our money has been that way forever.



I was raised on the Imperial system and we went Metric when I was in my
late 20s. I worked in metric measurements and learned not to translate.
It is easier just to deal with things in metric. I don't think
something is 100 km, so it's roughly 60 miles. It's 100 km. The
temperature here is currently -9 and I know what that means. I am at the
point where that is more meaningful than the 16F it translates too. We
had about 15 cm of snow yesterday and I don't need to translate that to
6 inches.

When people gripe about metric I test them on their knowledge of the
Imperial system. They may know inches, feet and yards. The numbers of
feet or yards in a mile is likely to be a puzzle, and you can be sure
they don't know about furlongs, chains, cables, rods and links.

Metric is a much more sensible system.

casa de suspiros 08-02-2018 04:46 PM

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On 2/8/2018 9:00 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
>> metric.

>
> Strange. You never struck me as one who cares what other's think.
>
> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with. ;)
>
> nb
>

Because a 30 degree C day just doesn't tell us at all what 86 degrees F
really feels like.

casa de suspiros 08-02-2018 04:47 PM

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On 2/8/2018 9:17 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-02-08 9:00 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
>>> metric.

>>
>> Strange.Â* You never struck me as one who cares what other's think.
>>
>> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with.Â* ;)
>>
>> nb
>>

> Actually, you would have no problems switching if all the media stopped
> using foreignheit.
> I can guarantee, from experience, that you would convert easily to
> thinking in Celsius within a week. There would still be problems with
> your kitchen stove, however, but that's only a number.
> Graham



Once more a 30C day will never 'feel' as warm as an 86F day...

casa de suspiros 08-02-2018 04:48 PM

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On 2/8/2018 9:45 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> The temperature here is currently -9 and I know what that means. I am at
> the point where that is more meaningful than the 16F it translates too.
> We had about 15 cm of snow yesterday and I don't need to translate that
> to 6 inches.



Classic under and then over representation.


Stick to socket wrenches.

Ed Pawlowski 08-02-2018 04:51 PM

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On 2/8/2018 11:00 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
>> metric.

>
> Strange. You never struck me as one who cares what other's think.
>
> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with. ;)
>
> nb
>


Don't care what they think, just a fact. The auto industry helped the
move to metric as they needed world accepted designs. In my industry,
there are no US made machines in the past 40 years so we all learned
metric. The maintenance guys love it after a week or two of use
grabbing a 17mm socket instead of wondering if is is 11/16 or 23/32.

Dave Smith[_1_] 08-02-2018 04:52 PM

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On 2018-02-08 11:00 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
>> metric.

>
> Strange. You never struck me as one who cares what other's think.
>
> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with. ;)


That is one of the easiest parts of metric for me. Zero is freezing
point and 100 is the boiling point. Anything below 0 is freezing and
above 0 is above freezing. With 100 degrees from freezing to boiling
the graduations are larger, compared to the 180 degrees from 32 to 212.
Single digits are cold. When it gets up to 30... that's hot.





casa de suspiros 08-02-2018 04:59 PM

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On 2/8/2018 9:51 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/8/2018 11:00 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
>>> metric.

>>
>> Strange.Â* You never struck me as one who cares what other's think.
>>
>> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with.Â* ;)
>>
>> nb
>>

>
> Don't care what they think, just a fact. The auto industry helped the
> move to metric as they needed world accepted designs. In my industry,
> there are no US made machines in the past 40 years so we all learned
> metric.Â* The maintenance guys love it after a week or two of use
> grabbing a 17mm socket instead of wondering if is is 11/16 or 23/32.



Agreed that it is preferable for tooling, no argument there.

casa de suspiros 08-02-2018 04:59 PM

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On 2/8/2018 9:52 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Single digits are cold. When it gets up to 30... that's hot.



Which is why metric is a massive FAIL for measuring environmental
temperature.

Coarse scale, very coarse.

Bruce[_28_] 08-02-2018 06:03 PM

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 03:27:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 8:48:08 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 18:46:00 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2018-02-07 4:03 PM, wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 17:01:27 -0500, S Viemeister
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2/7/2018 4:53 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I don't know about the Government supplying the military with cigarettes
>> >>>> *to build up an addicted tax base.* I remember that they used to be
>> >>>> included in combat rations, but IIRC only one pack of 5,* and likely
>> >>>> because* so many of the troops smoked.* They also thought that smoking
>> >>>> would take their minds off their hunger.
>> >>>>
>> >>> My Dad was in his 30s and had never smoked - until those free cigarettes
>> >>> were handed out to flight crews. He was a heavy smoker for the next 30
>> >>> years.
>> >>
>> >> The military placed those 5 backs on every table at meal time and
>> >> usually more than one pack per, and then sold cartons of regular
>> >> ten packs of twenty for 90¢... that was ten 20 cig packs at 9¢ per
>> >> . An awful lot of recruits never smoked until they got those free
>> >> cigs, including me.
>> >>
>> >YOU HAD A CHOICE!!!!!!!

>>
>> Relax, Archie. He had a choice, but did he know how unhealthy it was?

>
>Cigarettes have been called "coffin nails" since the 19th Century.


"It seems obvious now that smoking is bad for you. But, back in the
first half of the last century, things were different. Medical
textbooks were largely empty on the subject, and smoking was often
seen as part of growing up."

<https://www.theguardian.com/news/2005/jun/02/thisweekssciencequestions.cancer>


Bruce[_28_] 08-02-2018 06:05 PM

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:52:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/7/2018 10:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:04:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:

>
>>> Oddly enough, people think it's perfectly natural that 8 oz of butter by weight should be equal to one cup (8 oz) of butter. The reality is that 1 cup of most things will not weigh 8 ounces. 1 cup of gold will weight about 128 oz. It is a paradox that nobody ever sees.

>>
>> You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to
>> grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple.
>>

>
>There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
>metric. Too lazy or too dumb to learn a simple system. They don't even
>realize our money has been that way forever.


I guess it's hard to change. I see Fahrenheit all the time in this
newsgroup and I still have to convert it to Celsius to know what
they're saying.

notbob 08-02-2018 06:17 PM

Where did I go wrong?
 
On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Don't care what they think, just a fact. The auto industry helped the
> move to metric as they needed world accepted designs. In my industry,
> there are no US made machines in the past 40 years so we all learned
> metric. The maintenance guys love it after a week or two of use
> grabbing a 17mm socket instead of wondering if is is 11/16 or 23/32.


Yeah, been there, wore out that t-shirt (BTWOTT).

Ya' gotta learn metric to pass any kinda college science/engineering
program/degree. You cannot get past chemistry unless you know metric!

They (you know, "THEY") started introducing metric in the late 70s,
early 80s. At that time, machine tools only came in SAE. mostly cuz
they were still mostly made in the USA. After the push to metric
(which fizzled), USA-made machine tools became too expensive for even
USA companies, so they bought "offshore" machine tools (mostly Japan,
at the time). Those 'machine tools' had both English AND metric
graduations. Since then, most machine tools have metric graduations. Still
do.

BUT, knot gonna convince those in the 'trades'. You can convince 'em
to buy battery pwrd screwdrivers (the entire industry has gone
'battery' nutzoid!), but not go metric (perhaps we need a way to 'market'
metric fer $$$). I gotta LOOK fer a metric scale! Also, we love our 'dozen
eggs' and 12" rulers and 2x4's, miles, gallons, and such. Geez, we're
an arrogant buncha jerks, aren't, we. ;)

nb --sorry! I tend to ramble. 8|

Graham 08-02-2018 06:25 PM

Where did I go wrong?
 
On 2018-02-08 9:47 AM, casa de suspiros wrote:
> On 2/8/2018 9:17 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-02-08 9:00 AM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to
>>>> use
>>>> metric.
>>>
>>> Strange.Â* You never struck me as one who cares what other's think.
>>>
>>> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with.Â* ;)
>>>
>>> nb
>>>

>> Actually, you would have no problems switching if all the media
>> stopped using foreignheit.
>> I can guarantee, from experience, that you would convert easily to
>> thinking in Celsius within a week. There would still be problems with
>> your kitchen stove, however, but that's only a number.
>> Graham

>
>
> Once more a 30C day will never 'feel' as warm as an 86F day...


Once you have converted to using celsius, it will, I assure you!

Graham 08-02-2018 06:28 PM

Where did I go wrong?
 
On 2018-02-08 9:59 AM, casa de suspiros wrote:
> On 2/8/2018 9:52 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> Single digits are cold. When it gets up to 30... that's hot.

>
>
> Which is why metric is a massive FAIL for measuring environmental
> temperature.
>
> Coarse scale, very coarse.


Can you tell the difference between, say, 55F and 57F? I very much doubt it.

Cindy Hamilton[_2_] 08-02-2018 06:28 PM

Where did I go wrong?
 
On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:43:41 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:

> When people gripe about metric I test them on their knowledge of the
> Imperial system. They may know inches, feet and yards. The numbers of
> feet or yards in a mile is likely to be a puzzle,


5280 feet per mile
5280/3 yards per mile ;)

I can divide that in my head, but it'll take some time.

and you can be sure
> they don't know about furlongs, chains, cables, rods and links.


I know about them, but since I'm not a jockey or a surveyor,
I don't care to know about them in detail.

That said, I'd love it if the U.S. adopted the metric system.

Cindy Hamilton

Graham 08-02-2018 06:29 PM

Where did I go wrong?
 
On 2018-02-08 9:45 AM, casa de suspiros wrote:
> On 2/8/2018 8:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/7/2018 10:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:04:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:

>>
>>>> Oddly enough, people think it's perfectly natural that 8 oz of
>>>> butter by weight should be equal to one cup (8 oz) of butter. The
>>>> reality is that 1 cup of most things will not weigh 8 ounces. 1 cup
>>>> of gold will weight about 128 oz. It is a paradox that nobody ever
>>>> sees.
>>>
>>> You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to
>>> grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple.
>>>

>>
>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to
>> use metric.Â* Too lazy or too dumb to learn a simple system.Â* They
>> don't even realize our money has been that way forever.

>
> Regardless, metric under-represents temperature and mileage.
>
> Both are measured with far better granularity by the English system.


Sorry but you are writing rubbish.

Cindy Hamilton[_2_] 08-02-2018 06:30 PM

Where did I go wrong?
 
On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:47:36 AM UTC-5, casa de suspiros wrote:
> On 2/8/2018 9:17 AM, graham wrote:
> > On 2018-02-08 9:00 AM, notbob wrote:
> >> On 2018-02-08, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>
> >>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
> >>> metric.
> >>
> >> Strange.Â* You never struck me as one who cares what other's think..
> >>
> >> BTW, Centigrade is the only metric I have problems with.Â* ;)
> >>
> >> nb
> >>

> > Actually, you would have no problems switching if all the media stopped
> > using foreignheit.
> > I can guarantee, from experience, that you would convert easily to
> > thinking in Celsius within a week. There would still be problems with
> > your kitchen stove, however, but that's only a number.
> > Graham

>
>
> Once more a 30C day will never 'feel' as warm as an 86F day...


I promise you, if I stepped outside on a 30 C day, I'd
be saying, "It's hot today."

Cindy Hamilton

Graham 08-02-2018 06:32 PM

Where did I go wrong?
 
On 2018-02-08 11:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:52:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 2/7/2018 10:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 19:04:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:

>>
>>>> Oddly enough, people think it's perfectly natural that 8 oz of butter by weight should be equal to one cup (8 oz) of butter. The reality is that 1 cup of most things will not weigh 8 ounces. 1 cup of gold will weight about 128 oz. It is a paradox that nobody ever sees.
>>>
>>> You're confusing yourselves with your weird system. Time to switch to
>>> grams, kilos, litres and kilometres. Life could be so simple.
>>>

>>
>> There are too many people that just plain think it is un-American to use
>> metric. Too lazy or too dumb to learn a simple system. They don't even
>> realize our money has been that way forever.

>
> I guess it's hard to change. I see Fahrenheit all the time in this
> newsgroup and I still have to convert it to Celsius to know what
> they're saying.
>

It's infuriating that although I converted to Celsius almost 50 years
ago, my oven, having been made (in Italy by Bosch) for the US market, is
graduated in Foreignheit.

Ophelia[_15_] 08-02-2018 06:44 PM

Where did I go wrong?
 


"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:43:41 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:

> When people gripe about metric I test them on their knowledge of the
> Imperial system. They may know inches, feet and yards. The numbers of
> feet or yards in a mile is likely to be a puzzle,


5280 feet per mile
5280/3 yards per mile ;)

I can divide that in my head, but it'll take some time.

and you can be sure
> they don't know about furlongs, chains, cables, rods and links.


I know about them, but since I'm not a jockey or a surveyor,
I don't care to know about them in detail.

That said, I'd love it if the U.S. adopted the metric system.

Cindy Hamilton

--

1760 yards = one mile off the top of my head! But if that is not what you
meant ...



dsi1[_17_] 08-02-2018 07:43 PM

Where did I go wrong?
 
On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 1:29:42 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Most things in the kitchen have a specific gravity near 1. "A pint's a pound"
> works for common items in common uses. I can't remember the last time I had a
> cup of gold or a cup of feathers.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


As far as I know, butter is the only ingredient that considers weight to be the equivalent of volume. Butter ties pounds together with cups. A half-pound of butter is considered to be exactly one cup. I don't know if a half pound of butter is a cup of butter because I've never measured it. Everyone assumes it to be true.

I don't know what specific gravity has to do with this. Does 1 cup of water weigh a half-pound? Does this mean that a half-pound of flour, sugar, or eggs, is equal to 1 cup? It might be but nobody assumes this to be true - unless it's butter.


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