On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:28:07 -0400, wrote:

> Well it was only when I was sent to a specialist in vertigo that the
> diagnosis was made and I have no reason to doubt that he is correct. I
> still see him twice a year for checks, he did say they might go back
> to the old style migraines I had all my life, but unlikely.

Sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you implied "vestibular migraine" was
something that created a visual distortion. 'Vertigo' means dizzyness. We
had been talking earlier about visual mis-perceptions, so when you said you
needed to stop driving when you feel one coming on, I assumed (in error)
that it was to prevent the hazard of driving while being visually impaired.
I did not think dizzyness could be that much of a problem in a car because
one is strapped-in and has a steering wheel to hold onto.

What I have is 'Opthalmic Migraines', which are in most people usually
followed by a severe headache. But luckily for me, I never have the
headaches, only the light show.

NB: It is possible that you have both.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:48:10 -0500, Mike_Duffy >
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:28:07 -0400, wrote:
>
>> Well it was only when I was sent to a specialist in vertigo that the
>> diagnosis was made and I have no reason to doubt that he is correct. I
>> still see him twice a year for checks, he did say they might go back
>> to the old style migraines I had all my life, but unlikely.
>
>Sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you implied "vestibular migraine" was
>something that created a visual distortion. 'Vertigo' means dizzyness. We
>had been talking earlier about visual mis-perceptions, so when you said you
>needed to stop driving when you feel one coming on, I assumed (in error)
>that it was to prevent the hazard of driving while being visually impaired.
>I did not think dizzyness could be that much of a problem in a car because
>one is strapped-in and has a steering wheel to hold onto.
>
It does involve the sight as well - as I said quite suddenly I can see
all these transparent worms squirming in my eyes and I wouldn't like
to drive and try to see adequately through them.

>What I have is 'Opthalmic Migraines', which are in most people usually
>followed by a severe headache. But luckily for me, I never have the
>headaches, only the light show.
>
>NB: It is possible that you have both.

Having had more regular type migraines nearly all my life I know a
migraine when I meet it. Most women lose them at menopause, I was
unlucky and did not. About three years ago I thought I had lost them
but it was just the change over to these ones.

The doctor gave me two meds to take and with adjusting them myself, I
now have the migraines under control though I do not like taking
anything daily but the alternative is less attractive.

Be aware migraines can change, mine have changed somewhat about every
ten years or so. This is the worst and there was a spell back in my
30s when they were classed as cluster migraines. Get one, have
several for over a week, then a pause again. I'd rate them just after
this but would take any of the others rather than vestibular, but
there is no choice available, it is what it is.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 12/12/2017 4:36 AM, Ophelia wrote:

>
> You can turn up long enough for drops. I don't know about Dave's wife
> but grandson had 3 different ones each time.
> ==
>
> Ed, are you saying your grandson has had retina surgery? Please can you
> tell me what is involved?
>
> It was mooted once for me and I declined. I've had enough stuff done to
> my eyes with replacement lenses.
>
>

The surgery itself is painless, fast, all done by laser. It was only
the one type of surgery that required the head to be down for a while.
The drops were put in about 4 times a day

What you need may be different and even easier. He's had a few eye
surgeries including cataracts, also quite easy. I understand your
concern, but I'd be more worried about the consequences of not doing it
rather than the fix itself.

==

Thank you for the explanation. I've had both cataracts done and I feel
squeamish about having more done to them.

At my age, maybe not so necessary. When I had one of the cataracts done he
told me the retina in one eye was a bit like a lightly scrunched up tissue.

My optician does a good job and I can see fairly well most of the time. I
am very pleased your grandson had all he needed. I think it is important
for the young.

Thank you.
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 12/11/2017 5:46 PM, JBurns wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:48:34 -0700, Casa del Sol naciente
> > wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2017 4:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 5:02:13 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 6:14:49 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Humans are tribal. It's in our nature to fight with other tribes.
>>>>> Civilization has, to a certain extent, sublimated that urge into
>>>>> less destructive expressions, like sports team rivalries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course, and such has been the case from way back in history including the infamous Roman Coliseum. Even their bloody sports were substitutes for war. War itself could be a substitute for all out slaughter. Maybe one day if things get bad enough, the leaders of all the nations of earth will get together and decide to drag out the big bombs and put an end to everything. Then the cockroaches and other unseen forms of life can take over. Nothing can kill life. It's scary. I wouldn't be so worried about death if I knew it were absolutely permanent. But I fear that when we die we become some giant ball of need - hunger, yearning to breathe, to move, to crawl into something, anything, to assuage the insatiable urge to live with which we are all saddled from day number one.
>>>>
>>>> Do you agree or disagree? Oh really? So you want to fight about it, eh?
>>>>
>>>> TJ
>>>
>>> The only part I disagree with is not subject to proof. Thus, there is no
>>> point debating what happens after death.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> Proof you say?
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/bo...of-heaven.html
>>
>> His messages to those who deal with dying is one of relief. €œOur spirit
>> is not dependent on the brain or body,€� he said. €œIt is eternal, and no
>> one has one sentence worth of hard evidence that it isnt.€�
>
> That is a very passive agressive statement, especially the final
> sentence.

Horseshit!

> He knows exactly what he is saying when he states that there is no
> evidence to prove a negative. Duh!

So go on then, prove the soul is a transitory meme.

Knock yerself out, dipshit.

> His delusions are not proof of anything.
>
> JB


As are your cynical denials, you Auztarded sack of ripe shite!

Frankly it looks to me like ALL you Auztards are negative, know-nothing
gripers and whiners.

I have yet to see even ONE of you ion these groups that isn't in
permanent bitch mode.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:05:26 -0400, wrote:

> Having had more regular type migraines nearly all my life I know a
> migraine when I meet it.


Wiki articles can be misleading, in error, or incomplete. And you should
always take advice from your doctor over strangers on the Internet. The
wiki entry on vestibular migraine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertig...bular_migraine

refers only to vertigo (dizzyness), and makes no reference to any visual
hallucinations. Did you have the visual effect, as you describe it:
"transparent worms squirming in my eyes" before or during headaches?

And yes, having had the headache symptom (especially the 'cluster' type)
does make you more knowledgeable on the subject. I am lucky that when I see
the transparent worms, I never get the headache most people get afterwards.

On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 5:53:44 PM UTC-5, Mike_Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:52:46 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>
> > Yo, Duffy, I, Thomas Joseph, am the writer of that post.
>
> So, were your insects at all like mine? If I want, I can usually see them
> if I am very tired, a few minutes after I turn out the lights & close my
> eyes, after the ~20 Hz moire patterns have played themselves out.
>
> They are not dreams per see. I understand them more as rampant incidental
> pareidolia as the eyes adjust to lower light levels. Components of the
> objects we see are built from higher-level image processing structures in
> the visual cortex. When the light goes off, the 'gain' is turned up until
> we perceive something. In this case I am guessing that perception of the
> relatively small amount of light falling on the rod cells is highly
> influenced by the cell's oxygen level or perhaps pressure which varies with
> time due to bloodflow. That is why the insects appear to be dancing in
> unison. They appear to be performing cyclical movements in sycnronization
> with my pulse.


Maybe the insects you're seeing are the entrapped souls of Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire and other dead song and dance people from a by gone era. I do have insect dreams all the time. As mentioned, it's usually when I have a fever or some kind of flu, which I have not had in a long time. I don't take the shots, never will. Your response had a scientific ring to it. Nah, the insects in my dreams are not up close stars of the show, it's more the nest, the hum, the sounds that I suppose reflect in my mind a terrifying return to what we came from, and what likely will be here long after we are gone.

I am a lousy sleeper. I wake up sometimes every 15 minutes. If I sleep for 2 straight hours it's a near miracle. Back in my 30s I came down with asthma, had to get rid of my cats, couldn't breathe - in and out of emergency rooms. I didn't know what it was. But it was bad. I was driving a cab at the time and sometimes I'd get so tired I had to go home and lie down in bed. I was so exhausted from lack of oxygen that the dreams (not insects, just random dreams) would begin even before my eyes were closed. The sounds of the dreams would come in before my eyes were even closed. I would lie there for an hour or so, losing money in the process, and then get up and get back in the cab to finish up the night. I finally found a government funded hospital (in L.A.), where they ran all sorts of tests and told me I had asthma. They gave me meds which I pared down over time as I got better. Your dream comments reminded me of those days, with the sounds of the dreams coming into play even before my eyes were closed. In a way it felt kind of good. Being exhausted can be pleasurable if one has the time and no need to get up and do something. People complain of feeling tired, but that's only because they don't have time to enjoy it. I think a very gradual lack of oxygen would be a good way to die. Say a 1% reduction every 4 months so it would take about 30 years to get down to zero, ever so slowly, so slowly you hardly notice it - a nice slow way to die.

Thanks for your comments, sorry I couldn't go deeper into the insect thing, and frankly can't even remember why I brought up those dreams in the first place. I could go back in the thread and find out but I'm a lazy *******, so that's the end of that. Enjoyed your response, looking forward to more..

This is a cooking newsgroup. When you see the dancing insects, do you have a hankering to cook them, or maybe have them cook for you? "Man, those bugs were cooking - I mean they were really getting down!"

TJ

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 10:06:14 AM UTC-5, Mike_Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:32:39 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > [...] keep her head facing the ground 24 hours a day for 10 days.
>
> This sounds like a sort of ancient Chinese torture.


I would love to have a mattress with a hole in it for my head so I can lie on my stomach to sleep. I wake up a lot, tossing and turning, and sometimes I feel more sleepy when I lie on my stomach. But turning my head to one side or the other is bad for the neck. I believe they have mattresses with holes in them for people with bad burns or people with spinal problems. I suppose an inventive person could create their own version. But it would take more than just creativity, it would take time and effort. I have the time, but effort "bugs" me. It bugs me a lot.

TJ

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-5, Golden One wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:48:34 -0700, Casa del Sol naciente
> > wrote:
>
> >On 12/7/2017 4:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 5:02:13 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 6:14:49 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Humans are tribal. It's in our nature to fight with other tribes.
> >>>> Civilization has, to a certain extent, sublimated that urge into
> >>>> less destructive expressions, like sports team rivalries.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Of course, and such has been the case from way back in history including the infamous Roman Coliseum. Even their bloody sports were substitutes for war. War itself could be a substitute for all out slaughter. Maybe one day if things get bad enough, the leaders of all the nations of earth will get together and decide to drag out the big bombs and put an end to everything. Then the cockroaches and other unseen forms of life can take over. Nothing can kill life. It's scary. I wouldn't be so worried about death if I knew it were absolutely permanent. But I fear that when we die we become some giant ball of need - hunger, yearning to breathe, to move, to crawl into something, anything, to assuage the insatiable urge to live with which we are all saddled from day number one.
> >>>
> >>> Do you agree or disagree? Oh really? So you want to fight about it, eh?
> >>>
> >>> TJ
> >>
> >> The only part I disagree with is not subject to proof. Thus, there is no
> >> point debating what happens after death.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >
> >Proof you say?
> >
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/bo...of-heaven.html
> >
> >His messages to those who deal with dying is one of relief. €œOur spirit
> >is not dependent on the brain or body,€� he said. €œIt is eternal, and no
> >one has one sentence worth of hard evidence that it isnt.€�
>
> That is a very passive agressive statement, especially the final
> sentence.
>
> He knows exactly what he is saying when he states that there is no
> evidence to prove a negative. Duh!
>
> His delusions are not proof of anything.
>
> JB


Proof is worthless. Theory is more important than fact as in reality many things that are not facts are passed of as such. People who deal exclusively in proof or fact are people without imagination, or people who love to debate. I don't like to debate. I say what I feel and that's the end of it.. I don't care if others lambaste me for it, but I'm not going to waste energy arguing facts in a world of absolute uncertainty. And dats a fact, Jack.

TJ

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:07:19 -0500, Mike_Duffy >
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:05:26 -0400, wrote:
>
>> Having had more regular type migraines nearly all my life I know a
>> migraine when I meet it.
>
>
>Wiki articles can be misleading, in error, or incomplete. And you should
>always take advice from your doctor over strangers on the Internet. The
>wiki entry on vestibular migraine:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertig...bular_migraine
>
>refers only to vertigo (dizzyness), and makes no reference to any visual
>hallucinations. Did you have the visual effect, as you describe it:
>"transparent worms squirming in my eyes" before or during headaches?
>
>And yes, having had the headache symptom (especially the 'cluster' type)
>does make you more knowledgeable on the subject. I am lucky that when I see
>the transparent worms, I never get the headache most people get afterwards.

If I don't stop immediately the worms appear I will head into the full
vertigo effects. Then I can't even walk and my best spot is on the
floor by the toilet, because I am going to be throwing up until it
passes. So far, it is now under control with the meds thank goodness,
it must have been a terrible affliction in days of yore when they
could do nothing for one.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:48:10 -0500, Mike_Duffy >
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:28:07 -0400, wrote:
>
>> Well it was only when I was sent to a specialist in vertigo that the
>> diagnosis was made and I have no reason to doubt that he is correct. I
>> still see him twice a year for checks, he did say they might go back
>> to the old style migraines I had all my life, but unlikely.
>
>Sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you implied "vestibular migraine" was
>something that created a visual distortion. 'Vertigo' means dizzyness. We
>had been talking earlier about visual mis-perceptions, so when you said you
>needed to stop driving when you feel one coming on, I assumed (in error)
>that it was to prevent the hazard of driving while being visually impaired.
>I did not think dizzyness could be that much of a problem in a car because
>one is strapped-in and has a steering wheel to hold onto.
>
>What I have is 'Opthalmic Migraines', which are in most people usually
>followed by a severe headache. But luckily for me, I never have the
>headaches, only the light show.

I had one of those a couple of years ago. Stared at the wall for 15
minutes and watched the pretty circle dance around. I drew a picture
of what it looked like to show my husband (and my eye doctor). It
looked kinda like this:

http://i1.allaboutvision.com/i/og-20...ne-330x220.jpg

Except it was turquoise and pink.

Haven't had one since.

Doris

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:29:47 -0500, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:48:10 -0500, Mike_Duffy >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:28:07 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> Well it was only when I was sent to a specialist in vertigo that the
>>> diagnosis was made and I have no reason to doubt that he is correct. I
>>> still see him twice a year for checks, he did say they might go back
>>> to the old style migraines I had all my life, but unlikely.
>>
>>Sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you implied "vestibular migraine" was
>>something that created a visual distortion. 'Vertigo' means dizzyness. We
>>had been talking earlier about visual mis-perceptions, so when you said you
>>needed to stop driving when you feel one coming on, I assumed (in error)
>>that it was to prevent the hazard of driving while being visually impaired.
>>I did not think dizzyness could be that much of a problem in a car because
>>one is strapped-in and has a steering wheel to hold onto.
>>
>>What I have is 'Opthalmic Migraines', which are in most people usually
>>followed by a severe headache. But luckily for me, I never have the
>>headaches, only the light show.
>
>I had one of those a couple of years ago. Stared at the wall for 15
>minutes and watched the pretty circle dance around. I drew a picture
>of what it looked like to show my husband (and my eye doctor). It
>looked kinda like this:
>
>http://i1.allaboutvision.com/i/og-20...ne-330x220.jpg
>
>Except it was turquoise and pink.
>
>Haven't had one since.
>
>Doris

Be thankful

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:59:14 -0700, Casa del Sol naciente
> wrote:

>On 12/11/2017 5:46 PM, JBurns wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:48:34 -0700, Casa del Sol naciente
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/7/2017 4:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 5:02:13 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 6:14:49 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Humans are tribal. It's in our nature to fight with other tribes.
>>>>>> Civilization has, to a certain extent, sublimated that urge into
>>>>>> less destructive expressions, like sports team rivalries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, and such has been the case from way back in history including the infamous Roman Coliseum. Even their bloody sports were substitutes for war. War itself could be a substitute for all out slaughter. Maybe one day if things get bad enough, the leaders of all the nations of earth will get together and decide to drag out the big bombs and put an end to everything. Then the cockroaches and other unseen forms of life can take over. Nothing can kill life. It's scary. I wouldn't be so worried about death if I knew it were absolutely permanent. But I fear that when we die we become some giant ball of need - hunger, yearning to breathe, to move, to crawl into something, anything, to assuage the insatiable urge to live with which we are all saddled from day number one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you agree or disagree? Oh really? So you want to fight about it, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> TJ
>>>>
>>>> The only part I disagree with is not subject to proof. Thus, there is no
>>>> point debating what happens after death.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>
>>> Proof you say?
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/bo...of-heaven.html
>>>
>>> His messages to those who deal with dying is one of relief. “Our spirit
>>> is not dependent on the brain or body,” he said. “It is eternal, and no
>>> one has one sentence worth of hard evidence that it isn’t.”
>>
>> That is a very passive agressive statement, especially the final
>> sentence.
>
>Horseshit!
>
>> He knows exactly what he is saying when he states that there is no
>> evidence to prove a negative. Duh!
>
>So go on then, prove the soul is a transitory meme.

Prove there is a soul.

>
>Knock yerself out, dipshit.

What? You think that this negative can be proved? Dickwad.

>
>> His delusions are not proof of anything.
>>
>> JB
>
>
>As are your cynical denials, you Auztarded sack of ripe shite!
>
>Frankly it looks to me like ALL you Auztards are negative, know-nothing
>gripers and whiners.
>
>I have yet to see even ONE of you ion these groups that isn't in
>permanent bitch mode.

There, there. Mommy will be around to give you your meds soon darling.

JB

On 12/13/2017 3:08 AM, JBurns wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:59:14 -0700, Casa del Sol naciente
> > wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/2017 5:46 PM, JBurns wrote:
>>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:48:34 -0700, Casa del Sol naciente
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/7/2017 4:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 5:02:13 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 6:14:49 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Humans are tribal. It's in our nature to fight with other tribes.
>>>>>>> Civilization has, to a certain extent, sublimated that urge into
>>>>>>> less destructive expressions, like sports team rivalries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, and such has been the case from way back in history including the infamous Roman Coliseum. Even their bloody sports were substitutes for war. War itself could be a substitute for all out slaughter. Maybe one day if things get bad enough, the leaders of all the nations of earth will get together and decide to drag out the big bombs and put an end to everything. Then the cockroaches and other unseen forms of life can take over. Nothing can kill life. It's scary. I wouldn't be so worried about death if I knew it were absolutely permanent. But I fear that when we die we become some giant ball of need - hunger, yearning to breathe, to move, to crawl into something, anything, to assuage the insatiable urge to live with which we are all saddled from day number one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you agree or disagree? Oh really? So you want to fight about it, eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TJ
>>>>>
>>>>> The only part I disagree with is not subject to proof. Thus, there is no
>>>>> point debating what happens after death.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Proof you say?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/bo...of-heaven.html
>>>>
>>>> His messages to those who deal with dying is one of relief. €œOur spirit
>>>> is not dependent on the brain or body,€� he said. €œIt is eternal, and no
>>>> one has one sentence worth of hard evidence that it isnt.€�
>>>
>>> That is a very passive agressive statement, especially the final
>>> sentence.
>>
>> Horseshit!
>>
>>> He knows exactly what he is saying when he states that there is no
>>> evidence to prove a negative. Duh!
>>
>> So go on then, prove the soul is a transitory meme.
>
> Prove there is a soul.

Eben Alexander.

Larry Dossey, MD.

Michael Newton.

et al.


>>
>> Knock yerself out, dipshit.
>
> What? You think that this negative can be proved? Dickwad.

I think you can be lampooned mightily, and so you will be.

>>
>>> His delusions are not proof of anything.
>>>
>>> JB
>>
>>
>> As are your cynical denials, you Auztarded sack of ripe shite!
>>
>> Frankly it looks to me like ALL you Auztards are negative, know-nothing
>> gripers and whiners.
>>
>> I have yet to see even ONE of you ion these groups that isn't in
>> permanent bitch mode.
>
> There, there. Mommy will be around to give you your meds soon darling.
>
> JB
>

My observation stands - toxic behavior from toxic DNA of the Botany Bay
"experiment".