Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed

tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at

2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!

On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:02:31 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
>
>tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
>
>2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!

thank you, I wouldn't have been aware. Everything but the oven and
the micro wave set themselves. Oh! and that **!!+#* watch. I'm
thinking of getting another watch so I will have 2 -- one for winter
time and one for summer time. (I don't do well futzing with the little
buttons on the watch for resetting it)
Janet US

On 2017-03-11 11:02 PM, wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
>
> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
>
> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!
>


I heard something interesting on the radio this morning. One of the
morning show hosts was talking about how he has to set his alarm for
2:20 am to get to work on time and he was worried about it this morning
because of the change, so he set two extra alarms. His primary alarm is
on his iPhone, and that 2:20 alarm failed, because it flipped
automatically at 2 am and went from 1:59 to 3:00. Even if I had an
iPhone that would not be a problem for me because I cannot imagine
having to get up at 2:20 am.

On 2017-03-11 9:02 PM, wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
>
> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
>
> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!
>
There's a private members' bill up before the Provincial Legislature to
stop it. Dairy farmers complain that the time change plays havoc with
their cows, *I kid you not*!!!
However, when they stopped DST in the UK in the late 60s, there were two
groups of complainants - parents who had to send the kids to school in
the dark and, of course, *farmers*.

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 9:27:23 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-03-11 11:02 PM, wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
> >
> > tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
> >
> > 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!
> >
>
>
> I heard something interesting on the radio this morning. One of the
> morning show hosts was talking about how he has to set his alarm for
> 2:20 am to get to work on time and he was worried about it this morning
> because of the change, so he set two extra alarms. His primary alarm is
> on his iPhone, and that 2:20 alarm failed, because it flipped
> automatically at 2 am and went from 1:59 to 3:00. Even if I had an
> iPhone that would not be a problem for me because I cannot imagine
> having to get up at 2:20 am.

We've had to get up that early a few times, because my husband
needed to prepare and collect data before sun-up. I never could get
back to sleep afterward. I blame him for my being unable to sleep
past 5.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2017-03-12, graham > wrote:

> Dairy farmers complain that the time change plays havoc with
> their cows.....

Take away their cell phones.

nb

On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 09:25:56 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-03-11 9:02 PM, wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
>>
>> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
>>
>> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!
>>
>There's a private members' bill up before the Provincial Legislature to
>stop it. Dairy farmers complain that the time change plays havoc with
>their cows, *I kid you not*!!!
>However, when they stopped DST in the UK in the late 60s, there were two
>groups of complainants - parents who had to send the kids to school in
>the dark and, of course, *farmers*.

I was wondering this a.m. with so many things changing the time
automatically, does that mean people in Saskatchewan have to reset
them?

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 6:02:34 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
>
> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
>
> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!

We leave our clocks unmolested in Hawaii. We're so close to the equator that it would totally mess us up. My brother, who lives in Indiana, doesn't either. We're special.

On 2017-03-12 11:25 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-03-11 9:02 PM, wrote:

> There's a private members' bill up before the Provincial Legislature to
> stop it. Dairy farmers complain that the time change plays havoc with
> their cows, *I kid you not*!!!

Yeah.... like cows can tell time on a clock.


> However, when they stopped DST in the UK in the late 60s, there were two
> groups of complainants - parents who had to send the kids to school in
> the dark and, of course, *farmers*.

I think it might be just as easy to shift start times as it is to make
the whole country change. I questioned following the US lead to extend
DST as an energy conservation initiative, explaining that people would
not have to turn their lights on until later. It might work further
south, but extending DST up here just means we get up in the dark and
have lights on then instead.

When I started my last job I was warned about dealing with farmers
because they always complain and they all have a direct line to their
MPs. They complain about the weather conditions and anything else that
has a negative effect on their crops, but then when they have a bumper
crop they bitch about the low prices. A few years ago they were bitching
and whining about the Wheat Board and being required to sell all their
wheat to the board, which committed to buying it and paid them up front.
They lobbied and carried on until the government dumped it. Then when
they got shafted by the same things that made the board attractive to
them years ago resurfaced they started to complain about it being shut
down. You can't win with them.

On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 13:26:14 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 09:25:56 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>There's a private members' bill up before the Provincial Legislature to
>>stop it. Dairy farmers complain that the time change plays havoc with
>>their cows, *I kid you not*!!!
>>However, when they stopped DST in the UK in the late 60s, there were two
>>groups of complainants - parents who had to send the kids to school in
>>the dark and, of course, *farmers*.
>
>I was wondering this a.m. with so many things changing the time
>automatically, does that mean people in Saskatchewan have to reset
>them?

What's a Sas... that word?

> wrote in message
...

> I was wondering this a.m. with so many things changing the time
> automatically, does that mean people in Saskatchewan have to reset
> them?


Are you in Saskatchewan? I have relatives there so just wondering. I sort of
collect clocks so I have a lot of them, only a couple reset themselves, not
so bad going forward, but going back is a pain with the setting.

Cheri

Cheri

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 6:02:34 PM UTC-10,
> wrote:
>> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
>>
>> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
>>
>> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!
>
> We leave our clocks unmolested in Hawaii. We're so close to the equator
> that it would totally mess us up. My brother, who lives in Indiana,
> doesn't either. We're special.

=========

Same with Arizona, but I believe Indiana does observe DST.

Cheri

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 8:21:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 6:02:34 PM UTC-10,
> > wrote:
> >> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
> >>
> >> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
> >>
> >> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!
> >
> > We leave our clocks unmolested in Hawaii. We're so close to the equator
> > that it would totally mess us up. My brother, who lives in Indiana,
> > doesn't either. We're special.
>
> =========
>
> Same with Arizona, but I believe Indiana does observe DST.
>
> Cheri

You might be right about that. I'll ask him and get back to you on that.

On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 11:18:02 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
.. .
>
>> I was wondering this a.m. with so many things changing the time
>> automatically, does that mean people in Saskatchewan have to reset
>> them?
>
>
>Are you in Saskatchewan? I have relatives there so just wondering. I sort of
>collect clocks so I have a lot of them, only a couple reset themselves, not
>so bad going forward, but going back is a pain with the setting.
>
>Cheri
>
>Cheri

I'm in NS it was just I wondered about them with the time staying the
same all year. Nice that many things change themselves, but maybe not
so good for them.

My clock radio had not changed when I woke up, I had to press 'time
sync' before it did. That could be a benefit if you had to set the
clock for alarm the night before I suppose. Like you I have a couple
of clocks and also stove and microwave that don't change.

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 8:34:17 AM UTC-10, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 8:21:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 6:02:34 PM UTC-10,
> > > wrote:
> > >> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
> > >>
> > >> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
> > >>
> > >> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!
> > >
> > > We leave our clocks unmolested in Hawaii. We're so close to the equator
> > > that it would totally mess us up. My brother, who lives in Indiana,
> > > doesn't either. We're special.
> >
> > =========
> >
> > Same with Arizona, but I believe Indiana does observe DST.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> You might be right about that. I'll ask him and get back to you on that.

Now that I think about it - it's more likely that his area has a different time zone than the rest of the other nearby states. My bad - I think. As it goes, my smart phone ain't so smart because it set itself ahead one hour. I'm so disappointed with my phone!

On 2017-03-12 11:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-03-12 11:25 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 2017-03-11 9:02 PM, wrote:
>
>> There's a private members' bill up before the Provincial Legislature to
>> stop it. Dairy farmers complain that the time change plays havoc with
>> their cows, *I kid you not*!!!
>
> Yeah.... like cows can tell time on a clock.
>
>
>> However, when they stopped DST in the UK in the late 60s, there were two
>> groups of complainants - parents who had to send the kids to school in
>> the dark and, of course, *farmers*.
>
> I think it might be just as easy to shift start times as it is to make
> the whole country change. I questioned following the US lead to extend
> DST as an energy conservation initiative, explaining that people would
> not have to turn their lights on until later. It might work further
> south, but extending DST up here just means we get up in the dark and
> have lights on then instead.
>
> When I started my last job I was warned about dealing with farmers
> because they always complain and they all have a direct line to their
> MPs. They complain about the weather conditions and anything else that
> has a negative effect on their crops, but then when they have a bumper
> crop they bitch about the low prices. A few years ago they were bitching
> and whining about the Wheat Board and being required to sell all their
> wheat to the board, which committed to buying it and paid them up front.
> They lobbied and carried on until the government dumped it. Then when
> they got shafted by the same things that made the board attractive to
> them years ago resurfaced they started to complain about it being shut
> down. You can't win with them.
>
The current NDP government here legislated that farmers had to pay
workers' comp for their hired hands, as they do everywhere else.
Naturally, they protested. Not only that, some are protesting by driving
around *without their seatbelts!!!!!*

On 2017-03-11 9:02 PM, wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
>
> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
>
> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!
>
When I lived in W.Australia, there was a move to introduce DST but it
was rejected. Some genuinely were concerned that the extra hour of
daylight would blister the paint on their houses!!!!!!

On 2017-03-12, graham > wrote:

> Some genuinely were concerned that the extra hour of
> daylight would blister the paint on their houses!!!!!!

Some Aussies are genuinely dumb!

nb

On 3/12/2017 2:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 8:21:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 6:02:34 PM UTC-10,
>>> wrote:
>>>> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
>>>>
>>>> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed at
>>>>
>>>> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for it!
>>>
>>> We leave our clocks unmolested in Hawaii. We're so close to the equator
>>> that it would totally mess us up. My brother, who lives in Indiana,
>>> doesn't either. We're special.
>>
>> =========
>>
>> Same with Arizona, but I believe Indiana does observe DST.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> You might be right about that. I'll ask him and get back to you on that.
>

Up to 2006 most of Indiana did not change, but now they do. Not all of
the state change. Very confusing.

On 2017-03-12 2:19 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-03-12, graham > wrote:
>
>> Some genuinely were concerned that the extra hour of
>> daylight would blister the paint on their houses!!!!!!
>
> Some Aussies are genuinely dumb!
>
Not half as dumb as Trump supporters!

graham wrote :
> On 2017-03-12 2:19 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2017-03-12, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> Some genuinely were concerned that the extra hour of
>>> daylight would blister the paint on their houses!!!!!!
>>
>> Some Aussies are genuinely dumb!
>>
> Not half as dumb as Trump supporters!
>

Twice as dumb, you liberal ****wit.

On 2017-03-12, Rick Mathers > wrote:

> graham wrote :

>> On 2017-03-12 2:19 PM, notbob wrote:

>>> Some Aussies are genuinely dumb!

>> Not half as dumb as Trump supporters!

> Twice as dumb, you liberal ****wit.

*****NEWS FLASH*****

Zombies Cancel Zombie Apocalypse After Election Reveals America Has No
Brains!

********************

nb

On 2017-03-12 4:08 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-03-12 11:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> When I started my last job I was warned about dealing with farmers
>> because they always complain and they all have a direct line to their
>> MPs. They complain about the weather conditions and anything else that
>> has a negative effect on their crops, but then when they have a bumper
>> crop they bitch about the low prices. A few years ago they were bitching
>> and whining about the Wheat Board and being required to sell all their
>> wheat to the board, which committed to buying it and paid them up front.
>> They lobbied and carried on until the government dumped it. Then when
>> they got shafted by the same things that made the board attractive to
>> them years ago resurfaced they started to complain about it being shut
>> down. You can't win with them.
>>
> The current NDP government here legislated that farmers had to pay
> workers' comp for their hired hands, as they do everywhere else.
> Naturally, they protested. Not only that, some are protesting by driving
> around *without their seatbelts!!!!!*

Wow. Now there is a potent symbol. We have similar issues around here
because there are a lot of foreign temporary workers and they don't get
the same sort of protection that other workers do. They come here under
contracts and are not entitled to workmens compensations. Every once in
a while one or more gets badly hurt and after a while they end up going
public because they are being sent back to their homeland and not
eligible for compensation. In one case, a bunch of them were going to
town in a van, driver blew a stop sign and they got creamed by a truck,
a bunch of them died and a couple others were really badly hurt. Their
health care was covered, but then it was time for them to go home.

I suppose it is a crappy deal, but they come here under the terms of
contracts and international agreements. They send all their money back
home. They work for less than most people will. It doesn't seem quite
right that they should be able to undercut domestic workers and then
expect the same benefits.

> wrote in message
...

> I'm in NS it was just I wondered about them with the time staying the
> same all year. Nice that many things change themselves, but maybe not
> so good for them.



OK, thanks for the clarification.

Cheri

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 8:34:17 AM UTC-10, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 8:21:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 6:02:34 PM UTC-10,
> > > wrote:
> > >> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
> > >>
> > >> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed
> > >> at
> > >>
> > >> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for
> > >> it!
> > >
> > > We leave our clocks unmolested in Hawaii. We're so close to the
> > > equator
> > > that it would totally mess us up. My brother, who lives in Indiana,
> > > doesn't either. We're special.
> >
> > =========
> >
> > Same with Arizona, but I believe Indiana does observe DST.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> You might be right about that. I'll ask him and get back to you on that.

Now that I think about it - it's more likely that his area has a different
time zone than the rest of the other nearby states. My bad - I think. As it
goes, my smart phone ain't so smart because it set itself ahead one hour.
I'm so disappointed with my phone!

======

I just looked it up and they did stay the same until 2006, so you were right
that they stayed the same for for many years.

Cheri

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 1:05:58 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 8:34:17 AM UTC-10, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 8:21:37 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > > "dsi1" <dsi10yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 6:02:34 PM UTC-10,
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> Don't forget to run your clocks forward one hour before going to bed
> > > >>
> > > >> tonight for the time change. But if you like hopping out of the bed
> > > >> at
> > > >>
> > > >> 2:00 a.m. and racing around the house to set your clocks then go for
> > > >> it!
> > > >
> > > > We leave our clocks unmolested in Hawaii. We're so close to the
> > > > equator
> > > > that it would totally mess us up. My brother, who lives in Indiana,
> > > > doesn't either. We're special.
> > >
> > > =========
> > >
> > > Same with Arizona, but I believe Indiana does observe DST.
> > >
> > > Cheri
> >
> > You might be right about that. I'll ask him and get back to you on that.
>
> Now that I think about it - it's more likely that his area has a different
> time zone than the rest of the other nearby states. My bad - I think. As it
> goes, my smart phone ain't so smart because it set itself ahead one hour.
> I'm so disappointed with my phone!
>
> ======
>
> I just looked it up and they did stay the same until 2006, so you were right
> that they stayed the same for for many years.
>
> Cheri

Thanks for the info - what this means is that my brother told me of this at least before 2006. I don't recall it being that long ago but it was.

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 11:40:50 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-03-12 4:08 PM, graham wrote:
> > On 2017-03-12 11:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> When I started my last job I was warned about dealing with farmers
> >> because they always complain and they all have a direct line to their
> >> MPs. They complain about the weather conditions and anything else that
> >> has a negative effect on their crops, but then when they have a bumper
> >> crop they bitch about the low prices. A few years ago they were bitching
> >> and whining about the Wheat Board and being required to sell all their
> >> wheat to the board, which committed to buying it and paid them up front.
> >> They lobbied and carried on until the government dumped it. Then when
> >> they got shafted by the same things that made the board attractive to
> >> them years ago resurfaced they started to complain about it being shut
> >> down. You can't win with them.
> >>
> > The current NDP government here legislated that farmers had to pay
> > workers' comp for their hired hands, as they do everywhere else.
> > Naturally, they protested. Not only that, some are protesting by driving
> > around *without their seatbelts!!!!!*
>
> Wow. Now there is a potent symbol. We have similar issues around here
> because there are a lot of foreign temporary workers and they don't get
> the same sort of protection that other workers do. They come here under
> contracts and are not entitled to workmens compensations. Every once in
> a while one or more gets badly hurt and after a while they end up going
> public because they are being sent back to their homeland and not
> eligible for compensation. In one case, a bunch of them were going to
> town in a van, driver blew a stop sign and they got creamed by a truck,
> a bunch of them died and a couple others were really badly hurt. Their
> health care was covered, but then it was time for them to go home.
>
> I suppose it is a crappy deal, but they come here under the terms of
> contracts and international agreements. They send all their money back
> home. They work for less than most people will. It doesn't seem quite
> right that they should be able to undercut domestic workers and then
> expect the same benefits.

What doesn't seem right about getting paid fairly and having equal benefits? Why is doing the right thing and treating people fairly even open to question?

I don't believe that those international agreements are there to support human trafficking. Those "contracts" terms are mostly available to desperate folks whose choices are limited. Fairness and simple decency play no part of it.

On 2017-03-12, The Newest Other Guy <new> wrote:

> On 12 Mar 2017 21:07:59 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>>*****NEWS FLASH*****
>>
>>Zombies Cancel Zombie Apocalypse After Election Reveals America Has No
>>Brains!
>>
>>********************

> I'm in California,

As a native ex-Cali-boy, fortunate enough to escape 9 yrs ago, you
have my deepest sympathy.

nb

On 2017-03-13 5:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 11:40:50 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I suppose it is a crappy deal, but they come here under the terms
>> of contracts and international agreements. They send all their
>> money back home. They work for less than most people will. It
>> doesn't seem quite right that they should be able to undercut
>> domestic workers and then expect the same benefits.
>
> What doesn't seem right about getting paid fairly and having equal
> benefits? Why is doing the right thing and treating people fairly
> even open to question?
>
> I don't believe that those international agreements are there to
> support human trafficking. Those "contracts" terms are mostly
> available to desperate folks whose choices are limited. Fairness and
> simple decency play no part of it.
>


As I pointed out, they come here under contracts and through government
sponsored programs to work for certain wages and benefits. They are not
paying into the social programs that our citizens are.

FWIW.... I just read an article about a dispute between the governments
of Canada and Nepal. Our government had contracted with a Nepalese
company to provide security for our embassy in Kabul. A bunch of them
were killed in mini bus when it was blown up by a suicide bomber. Nepal
expects Canada to pay compensation to the widows as a humanitarian act.
Canada's position is that the guards worked for Sabre International
Security, a security company that was contracted to provide security and
that it is up to the company to provide compensation.

On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 4:24:32 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-03-13 5:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 11:40:50 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> I suppose it is a crappy deal, but they come here under the terms
> >> of contracts and international agreements. They send all their
> >> money back home. They work for less than most people will. It
> >> doesn't seem quite right that they should be able to undercut
> >> domestic workers and then expect the same benefits.
> >
> > What doesn't seem right about getting paid fairly and having equal
> > benefits? Why is doing the right thing and treating people fairly
> > even open to question?
> >
> > I don't believe that those international agreements are there to
> > support human trafficking. Those "contracts" terms are mostly
> > available to desperate folks whose choices are limited. Fairness and
> > simple decency play no part of it.
> >
>
>
> As I pointed out, they come here under contracts and through government
> sponsored programs to work for certain wages and benefits. They are not
> paying into the social programs that our citizens are.

Looks to me as if they are already paying for social programs that the citizens are paying for. It looks like they are subsidising you people by working at reduced rates and benefits. Your society obviously believes that some people are more equal than others. That sucks.

I see a lot of human trafficking going on in our state. There used to be a brothel in the room upstairs from where I am working. The girls are not allowed out of the building. It's a commercial rental and they lived in the space.

I have to believe that a lot of the tree trimmers on the island are mostly indentured workers. Of course, the deck is solidly stacked against them.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2016/0...n-their-boats/


>
> FWIW.... I just read an article about a dispute between the governments
> of Canada and Nepal. Our government had contracted with a Nepalese
> company to provide security for our embassy in Kabul. A bunch of them
> were killed in mini bus when it was blown up by a suicide bomber. Nepal
> expects Canada to pay compensation to the widows as a humanitarian act.
> Canada's position is that the guards worked for Sabre International
> Security, a security company that was contracted to provide security and
> that it is up to the company to provide compensation.

On 2017-03-13 4:51 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 4:24:32 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

>> As I pointed out, they come here under contracts and through
>> government sponsored programs to work for certain wages and
>> benefits. They are not paying into the social programs that our
>> citizens are.
>
> Looks to me as if they are already paying for social programs that
> the citizens are paying for. It looks like they are subsidising you
> people by working at reduced rates and benefits. Your society
> obviously believes that some people are more equal than others. That
> sucks.

They come here under very specific terms that they agree to. They take
menial jobs that most people here don't want and which don't pay well
enough to sustain people here. They send most of their money back home
to their families and they go back home for the winter and live like
kings compared to what they would if they had to work at home for local
wages.

>
> I see a lot of human trafficking going on in our state. There used to
> be a brothel in the room upstairs from where I am working. The girls
> are not allowed out of the building. It's a commercial rental and
> they lived in the space.
These guys are mostly farm workers.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...

> As a native ex-Cali-boy, fortunate enough to escape 9 yrs ago, you
> have my deepest sympathy.
>
> nb



LOL