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Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on
the pantry shelf. These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 |
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 20:33:38 -0700, graham > wrote:
>Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on >the pantry shelf. >These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of >pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! >http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 I never considered it. I just refrigerated all of that because that is what my mother did. Janet US |
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On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 9:52:27 PM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > I never considered it. I just refrigerated all of that because that > is what my mother did. > Janet US > > Same here. |
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On 2/8/2017 11:11 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I like the contrast of nice cool ketchup on a nice hot, salty fry. > Most stuff to refrigerate not just for safety, but for quality reasons > as well. Mayonnaise, for example, doesn't have to be refrigerated but > it becomes runny and turns translucent - very unappetizing. > > -sw > I agree on the mayo, but ketchup has never been in the fridge in my house. |
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"graham" wrote in message ...
Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on the pantry shelf. These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 === Pickled onions?????? LOL -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 10:33:46 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on > the pantry shelf. > These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of > pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! > http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 I store all of that stuff in the fridge. I use it so seldom that it would grow mold. In fact, sometimes that stuff grows mold even in the fridge. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 2017-02-08 10:52 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 20:33:38 -0700, graham > wrote: > >> Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on >> the pantry shelf. >> These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of >> pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! >> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 > > I never considered it. I just refrigerated all of that because that > is what my mother did. I know that it can sit out for a long time but I keep ours in the fridge because we so seldom use it that I think we would be pushing the limits. A bottle of ketchup lasts us at least months. |
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On 2017-02-09 6:27 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:22:08 +1100, Bruce > > wrote: > >> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 07:16:12 -0400, wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 20:33:38 -0700, graham > wrote: >>> >>>> Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on >>>> the pantry shelf. >>>> These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of >>>> pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! >>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 >>> >>> I do keep ketchup and mayo in the fridge but only because it is more >>> convenient. >>> >>> (I don't buy Heinz ketchup anymore, only Frenchs since Heinz did the >>> dirty on all those farmers suddenly moving their plant to Mexico, >>> neither will I buy fresh tomatoes from Mexico, however I am not >>> suggesting we build a wall lol ) >> >> Here's Trump's new Minister of Justice doing the Nazi salute. > > Nope, I just have certain principles and when I saw what Heinz did, > leaving a whole valley of tomato farmers in the lurch, I decided not > to buy Heinz ketchup anymore. As it was, French decided it had all > the condiments for dogs and burgers so they might as well have ketchup > too and they rode in on their horse and rescued the farmers. > > Although I am in NS and this happened in Ontario, my local supermarket > carries French, very prominently displayed. Dave Smith can probably > point you to an article, it all happened in his area. It's not exactly my area. It is more than 200 miles west of us. Heinz had been making ketchup there for over 100 years and a couple years ago the parent company shut down the plant and moved production to the US. That as devastating to the small town because a huge chunk of its economy was based on tomatoes. Moving the production to the US not only put a couple hundred people out of work but it also left all those tomato farmers stranded. French's came along and bought the facilities and started making ketchup. I don't use much ketchup but I have to say that I prefer the French's product to Heinz, which IMO has evolved into a weak, runny, sweet glop over the years. |
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graham wrote:
> >Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on >the pantry shelf. Wasn't all that long ago that all people had was an ice-a-box, that's all we had, wasn't much room for storage and wasn't wise to open the door unnessesarily. Growing up we didn't keep many condiments and certainly not in the humongous sizes available today. There was a time when restaurants would refill ketchup bottles from bulk containers, they are no longer permitted because that transfers disease germs from hands, coughing, and sneezing... packets cost more but are far more sanitary. >These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of >pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! >http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 Pickled onions are vacuum sealed, once opened they lose their aroma and at a much quicker rate at room temperature than chilled. Pickled onions are relatively expensive and not used up quickly, it's wasting your money not to refrigerate. I don't use many condiments often so I refrigerate to maintain quality... a large bottle of ketchup can last me 2-3 years. I refrigerate mustard because it's flavor changes once opened and when left at room temperature for months. I use at least three times as much mustard as ketchup. Also notice how these condiments are in narrow necked containers, that's to limit exposure to air... once opened and used the level goes down so more surface area is exposed causing oxidation to occur more rapidly... that's why they say "refrigerate after opening". With many of these products the aroma is as important as flavor, like fruit jams which you'll notice are vacuum sealed, once opened their aroma dissapates to the air more rapidly at room temperature. With condiments it's wise to replace lids tightly, same as one should with booze and perfumes. I've seen where lazy people even toss condiment lids into the trash, they do the same with butter, it's left exposed at room temperature, it loses its aroma and absorbs all sorts of hidious odors, may as well use cheapo margerine. When I buy condiments in twin packs or large containers I use my basement fridge for storing the extras, which reminds me I need to refill my small soy sauce bottle from the quart size of Kikkoman in the basement fridge... I keep the small bottle in the kitchen fridge, their web site explains why it should be refrigerated. I know someone is going to come along and ridicule my use of Kikkoman when there are others but that's what works for me... I don't care for the lower salt one either. I also prefer Del Monte ketchup to Heinz but I'll buy whichever is on sale... I use more ketchup in marinades than directly on food. |
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"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
... graham wrote: > >Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on >the pantry shelf. Wasn't all that long ago that all people had was an ice-a-box, that's all we had, wasn't much room for storage and wasn't wise to open the door unnessesarily. Growing up we didn't keep many condiments and certainly not in the humongous sizes available today. There was a time when restaurants would refill ketchup bottles from bulk containers, they are no longer permitted because that transfers disease germs from hands, coughing, and sneezing... packets cost more but are far more sanitary. >These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of >pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! >http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 Pickled onions are vacuum sealed, once opened they lose their aroma and at a much quicker rate at room temperature than chilled. Pickled onions are relatively expensive and not used up quickly, it's wasting your money not to refrigerate. I don't use many condiments often so I refrigerate to maintain quality... a large bottle of ketchup can last me 2-3 years. I refrigerate mustard because it's flavor changes once opened and when left at room temperature for months. I use at least three times as much mustard as ketchup. Also notice how these condiments are in narrow necked containers, that's to limit exposure to air... once opened and used the level goes down so more surface area is exposed causing oxidation to occur more rapidly... that's why they say "refrigerate after opening". With many of these products the aroma is as important as flavor, like fruit jams which you'll notice are vacuum sealed, once opened their aroma dissapates to the air more rapidly at room temperature. With condiments it's wise to replace lids tightly, same as one should with booze and perfumes. I've seen where lazy people even toss condiment lids into the trash, they do the same with butter, it's left exposed at room temperature, it loses its aroma and absorbs all sorts of hidious odors, may as well use cheapo margerine. When I buy condiments in twin packs or large containers I use my basement fridge for storing the extras, which reminds me I need to refill my small soy sauce bottle from the quart size of Kikkoman in the basement fridge... I keep the small bottle in the kitchen fridge, their web site explains why it should be refrigerated. I know someone is going to come along and ridicule my use of Kikkoman when there are others but that's what works for me... I don't care for the lower salt one either. I also prefer Del Monte ketchup to Heinz but I'll buy whichever is on sale... I use more ketchup in marinades than directly on food. == Until very recently I pickled onions myself! I can assure you, they were never vacuum sealed, -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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Sqwertz wrote:
> > I think it's funny how people boycott products and really don't have a > clue as to why. I don't boycott any food or stores. If they sell what I want, I don't give a crap about their political views or even how they treat their employees. Super Walmart is scheduled to open 1.5 miles from me within a few months. I'm looking forward to that. I might even check out the grocery part and start buying some items from there. |
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 07:27:59 -0400, wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:22:08 +1100, Bruce > >wrote: > >>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 07:16:12 -0400, wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 20:33:38 -0700, graham > wrote: >>> >>>>Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on >>>>the pantry shelf. >>>>These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of >>>>pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! >>>>http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 >>> >>>I do keep ketchup and mayo in the fridge but only because it is more >>>convenient. >>> >>>(I don't buy Heinz ketchup anymore, only Frenchs since Heinz did the >>>dirty on all those farmers suddenly moving their plant to Mexico, >>>neither will I buy fresh tomatoes from Mexico, however I am not >>>suggesting we build a wall lol ) >> >>Here's Trump's new Minister of Justice doing the Nazi salute. > >Nope, I just have certain principles and when I saw what Heinz did, >leaving a whole valley of tomato farmers in the lurch, I decided not >to buy Heinz ketchup anymore. As it was, French decided it had all >the condiments for dogs and burgers so they might as well have ketchup >too and they rode in on their horse and rescued the farmers. > >Although I am in NS and this happened in Ontario, my local supermarket >carries French, very prominently displayed. Dave Smith can probably >point you to an article, it all happened in his area. I meant it literally, but I forgot to add the link. Trump's Minister of Justice doing the nazi salute: http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...-large-169.jpg I bet he walked into the room with a little goose in his step. |
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:20:25 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>Sqwertz wrote: >> >> I think it's funny how people boycott products and really don't have a >> clue as to why. > >I don't boycott any food or stores. If they sell what I want, I don't >give a crap about their political views or even how they treat their >employees. You seem proud of it. |
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Bruce wrote:
> > On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:20:25 -0500, Gary > wrote: > > >Sqwertz wrote: > >> > >> I think it's funny how people boycott products and really don't have a > >> clue as to why. > > > >I don't boycott any food or stores. If they sell what I want, I don't > >give a crap about their political views or even how they treat their > >employees. > > You seem proud of it. Not proud or otherwise. I buy what I want and go for the best deal. Nothing more than that. People with issues are odd to me. |
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 16:49:53 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote: >"Brooklyn1" wrote in message .. . > >graham wrote: >> >>Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on >>the pantry shelf. > >Wasn't all that long ago that all people had was an ice-a-box, that's >all we had, wasn't much room for storage and wasn't wise to open the >door unnessesarily. Growing up we didn't keep many condiments and >certainly not in the humongous sizes available today. There was a >time when restaurants would refill ketchup bottles from bulk >containers, they are no longer permitted because that transfers >disease germs from hands, coughing, and sneezing... packets cost more >but are far more sanitary. > >>These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of >>pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! >>http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 > >Pickled onions are vacuum sealed, once opened they lose their aroma >and at a much quicker rate at room temperature than chilled. Pickled >onions are relatively expensive and not used up quickly, it's wasting >your money not to refrigerate. > >I don't use many condiments often so I refrigerate to maintain >quality... a large bottle of ketchup can last me 2-3 years. I >refrigerate mustard because it's flavor changes once opened and when >left at room temperature for months. I use at least three times as >much mustard as ketchup. Also notice how these condiments are in >narrow necked containers, that's to limit exposure to air... once >opened and used the level goes down so more surface area is exposed >causing oxidation to occur more rapidly... that's why they say >"refrigerate after opening". With many of these products the aroma is >as important as flavor, like fruit jams which you'll notice are vacuum >sealed, once opened their aroma dissapates to the air more rapidly at >room temperature. With condiments it's wise to replace lids tightly, >same as one should with booze and perfumes. I've seen where lazy >people even toss condiment lids into the trash, they do the same with >butter, it's left exposed at room temperature, it loses its aroma and >absorbs all sorts of hidious odors, may as well use cheapo margerine. > >When I buy condiments in twin packs or large containers I use my >basement fridge for storing the extras, which reminds me I need to >refill my small soy sauce bottle from the quart size of Kikkoman in >the basement fridge... I keep the small bottle in the kitchen fridge, >their web site explains why it should be refrigerated. I know someone >is going to come along and ridicule my use of Kikkoman when there are >others but that's what works for me... I don't care for the lower salt >one either. >I also prefer Del Monte ketchup to Heinz but I'll buy whichever is on >sale... I use more ketchup in marinades than directly on food. > >== > >Until very recently I pickled onions myself! I can assure you, they were >never vacuum sealed, That was your choice but those pickled cocktail onions bought at market are packed in vacuum sealed jars. Perhaps you are pickling full size onions for some other use, and why "Until very recently"? |
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:34:13 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>Bruce wrote: >> >> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:20:25 -0500, Gary > wrote: >> >> >Sqwertz wrote: >> >> >> >> I think it's funny how people boycott products and really don't have a >> >> clue as to why. >> > >> >I don't boycott any food or stores. If they sell what I want, I don't >> >give a crap about their political views or even how they treat their >> >employees. >> >> You seem proud of it. > >Not proud or otherwise. I buy what I want and go for the best deal. >Nothing more than that. People with issues are odd to me. If a company really misbehaves in a big way, I don't want their products. I don't see that as 'issues', but as 'standards'. But at the moment, all I avoid are anything with palm oil and places like KFC, McDonald's etc. |
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On 2017-02-09 1:44 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:34:13 -0500, Gary > wrote: > >> Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:20:25 -0500, Gary > wrote: >>> >>>> Sqwertz wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think it's funny how people boycott products and really don't have a >>>>> clue as to why. >>>> >>>> I don't boycott any food or stores. If they sell what I want, I don't >>>> give a crap about their political views or even how they treat their >>>> employees. >>> >>> You seem proud of it. >> >> Not proud or otherwise. I buy what I want and go for the best deal. >> Nothing more than that. People with issues are odd to me. > > If a company really misbehaves in a big way, I don't want their > products. I don't see that as 'issues', but as 'standards'. But at the > moment, all I avoid are anything with palm oil and places like KFC, > McDonald's etc. > I wouldn't say that I am boycotting Heinz ketchup or the company in general. We had a town pretty well devastated by their decision to move south, leaving a lot of people out of work and a lot of farmers without a market. Then French's bought the plant and started making ketchup. I bought it out of loyalty to the people who did something to tried to help. I was impressed with the product. I don't use much ketchup so neither company will be affected much either way, but AAMOF I picked up a bottle of it today. There was en end bunker of it on special. |
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Bruce wrote:
> > But at the > moment, all I avoid are anything with palm oil and places like KFC, > McDonald's etc. If either one of those places offer some good sale, I'll stop by there tomorrow on the way home. As I've said before, I so seldom eat at the various places, I really don't worry about or care about what they use or whatever. They are both great for the taste buds. That's all that matters. Last time I bought KFC, was 2-3 years ago. Great coupons, great deals and I loved the food. I'm hoping to see more coupons. Without coupons, they seem very overpriced. McD's I usually go maybe 4 times a year. Again, since it's so infrequent, I don't ever worry about the ingredients. Again, the taste buds tell me it's great. I trust my taste buds. :) When I die, at least I will have enjoyed the journey. I don't over-indulge in anything but I also don't deny myself anything that sounds good. 7-11 nachos sound good to me now. I might just have to walk up there and buy a batch. :) |
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 14:04:15 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>Bruce wrote: >> >> But at the >> moment, all I avoid are anything with palm oil and places like KFC, >> McDonald's etc. > >If either one of those places offer some good sale, I'll stop by >there tomorrow on the way home. > >As I've said before, I so seldom eat at the various places, I really >don't worry about or care about what they use or whatever. >They are both great for the taste buds. That's all that matters. > >Last time I bought KFC, was 2-3 years ago. Great coupons, >great deals and I loved the food. I'm hoping to see more >coupons. Without coupons, they seem very overpriced. > >McD's I usually go maybe 4 times a year. Again, since it's so >infrequent, I don't ever worry about the ingredients. Again, >the taste buds tell me it's great. I trust my taste buds. :) > >When I die, at least I will have enjoyed the journey. >I don't over-indulge in anything but I also don't deny myself >anything that sounds good. 7-11 nachos sound good to me now. >I might just have to walk up there and buy a batch. :) I understand. You don't care about anything. |
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Bruce wrote:
> > On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 14:04:15 -0500, Gary > wrote: > > >Bruce wrote: > >> > >> But at the > >> moment, all I avoid are anything with palm oil and places like KFC, > >> McDonald's etc. > > > >If either one of those places offer some good sale, I'll stop by > >there tomorrow on the way home. > > > >As I've said before, I so seldom eat at the various places, I really > >don't worry about or care about what they use or whatever. > >They are both great for the taste buds. That's all that matters. > > > >Last time I bought KFC, was 2-3 years ago. Great coupons, > >great deals and I loved the food. I'm hoping to see more > >coupons. Without coupons, they seem very overpriced. > > > >McD's I usually go maybe 4 times a year. Again, since it's so > >infrequent, I don't ever worry about the ingredients. Again, > >the taste buds tell me it's great. I trust my taste buds. :) > > > >When I die, at least I will have enjoyed the journey. > >I don't over-indulge in anything but I also don't deny myself > >anything that sounds good. 7-11 nachos sound good to me now. > >I might just have to walk up there and buy a batch. :) > > I understand. You don't care about anything. I don't. |
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Brooklyn1 brought this crap next:
> I don't use many condiments > Unless you count the bullshit you post as condiments, and then you use *way* too many. |
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On 2/9/2017 1:20 PM, Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote: >> >> I think it's funny how people boycott products and really don't have a >> clue as to why. > > I don't boycott any food or stores. If they sell what I want, I don't > give a crap about their political views or even how they treat their > employees. > > Super Walmart is scheduled to open 1.5 miles from me within a few > months. I'm looking forward to that. I might even check out the > grocery part and start buying some items from there. > I buy what and where is best for me. WalMart is good for some things, very good prices on many items. I don't buy their meats excepts for packages stuff like bacon. Wrights bacon is a buck cheaper than the other store farther away. |
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:19:28 -0400, wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 05:21:24 +1100, Bruce > >wrote: > >>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 07:27:59 -0400, wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:22:08 +1100, Bruce > >>>wrote: >>> >>>>Here's Trump's new Minister of Justice doing the Nazi salute. >>> >>>Nope, I just have certain principles and when I saw what Heinz did, >>>leaving a whole valley of tomato farmers in the lurch, I decided not >>>to buy Heinz ketchup anymore. As it was, French decided it had all >>>the condiments for dogs and burgers so they might as well have ketchup >>>too and they rode in on their horse and rescued the farmers. >>> >>>Although I am in NS and this happened in Ontario, my local supermarket >>>carries French, very prominently displayed. Dave Smith can probably >>>point you to an article, it all happened in his area. >> >>I meant it literally, but I forgot to add the link. Trump's Minister >>of Justice doing the nazi salute: >>http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...-large-169.jpg >> >>I bet he walked into the room with a little goose in his step. > >I'd feel sorry for the goose! Why do geese get such a bad rep anyway? They don't even have arms they can raise. |
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:14:50 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote: >On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:34:13 -0500, Gary wrote: > >> Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:20:25 -0500, Gary > wrote: >>> >>>>Sqwertz wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think it's funny how people boycott products and really don't have a >>>>> clue as to why. >>>> >>>>I don't boycott any food or stores. If they sell what I want, I don't >>>>give a crap about their political views or even how they treat their >>>>employees. >>> >>> You seem proud of it. >> >> Not proud or otherwise. I buy what I want and go for the best deal. >> Nothing more than that. People with issues are odd to me. > >Why do people they feel they need to justify themselves in the face of >Bruce? Way too many gullible people here. Justify? Gullible? What have you been smoking? |
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:25:15 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
> >On 9-Feb-2017, Bruce > wrote: > >> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:19:28 -0400, wrote: >> >> >On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 05:21:24 +1100, Bruce > >> >wrote: >> > >> >>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 07:27:59 -0400, wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:22:08 +1100, Bruce > >> >>>wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>Here's Trump's new Minister of Justice doing the Nazi salute. >> >>> >> >>>Nope, I just have certain principles and when I saw what Heinz did, >> >>>leaving a whole valley of tomato farmers in the lurch, I decided not >> >>>to buy Heinz ketchup anymore. As it was, French decided it had all >> >>>the condiments for dogs and burgers so they might as well have ketchup >> >>>too and they rode in on their horse and rescued the farmers. >> >>> >> >>>Although I am in NS and this happened in Ontario, my local supermarket >> >>>carries French, very prominently displayed. Dave Smith can probably >> >>>point you to an article, it all happened in his area. >> >> >> >>I meant it literally, but I forgot to add the link. Trump's Minister >> >>of Justice doing the nazi salute: >> >> http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...-large-169.jpg >> >> >> >>I bet he walked into the room with a little goose in his step. >> > >> >I'd feel sorry for the goose! >> >> Why do geese get such a bad rep anyway? They don't even have arms they >> can raise. >If they are all like the ones around here, they are aggressive, ill-tempered >and are full of crap and drop it prolifically.. Ok, I'll stick with chickens. |
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:32:26 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote: >On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:18:19 -0400, wrote: > >> Perhaps because they met with many others switching like me! My >> aggravation was mainly the treatment of the tomato farmers who had >> little to no warning. > >Companies have to rearrange operations often to meet demand and other >goals. Why don't you feel bad for the people in California who were >put of out work because French's moved some operations to Toronto? >What comes around goes around. Think globally, act locally. |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
... On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 16:49:53 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote: >"Brooklyn1" wrote in message .. . > >graham wrote: >> >>Mum never did! Jams, chutneys, pickles and ketchup were all stored on >>the pantry shelf. > >Wasn't all that long ago that all people had was an ice-a-box, that's >all we had, wasn't much room for storage and wasn't wise to open the >door unnessesarily. Growing up we didn't keep many condiments and >certainly not in the humongous sizes available today. There was a >time when restaurants would refill ketchup bottles from bulk >containers, they are no longer permitted because that transfers >disease germs from hands, coughing, and sneezing... packets cost more >but are far more sanitary. > >>These days, people are so scared to leave anything out. Even the jar of >>pickled onions I have states: "Refrigerate after opening" - ridiculous! >>http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38907451 > >Pickled onions are vacuum sealed, once opened they lose their aroma >and at a much quicker rate at room temperature than chilled. Pickled >onions are relatively expensive and not used up quickly, it's wasting >your money not to refrigerate. > >I don't use many condiments often so I refrigerate to maintain >quality... a large bottle of ketchup can last me 2-3 years. I >refrigerate mustard because it's flavor changes once opened and when >left at room temperature for months. I use at least three times as >much mustard as ketchup. Also notice how these condiments are in >narrow necked containers, that's to limit exposure to air... once >opened and used the level goes down so more surface area is exposed >causing oxidation to occur more rapidly... that's why they say >"refrigerate after opening". With many of these products the aroma is >as important as flavor, like fruit jams which you'll notice are vacuum >sealed, once opened their aroma dissapates to the air more rapidly at >room temperature. With condiments it's wise to replace lids tightly, >same as one should with booze and perfumes. I've seen where lazy >people even toss condiment lids into the trash, they do the same with >butter, it's left exposed at room temperature, it loses its aroma and >absorbs all sorts of hidious odors, may as well use cheapo margerine. > >When I buy condiments in twin packs or large containers I use my >basement fridge for storing the extras, which reminds me I need to >refill my small soy sauce bottle from the quart size of Kikkoman in >the basement fridge... I keep the small bottle in the kitchen fridge, >their web site explains why it should be refrigerated. I know someone >is going to come along and ridicule my use of Kikkoman when there are >others but that's what works for me... I don't care for the lower salt >one either. >I also prefer Del Monte ketchup to Heinz but I'll buy whichever is on >sale... I use more ketchup in marinades than directly on food. > >== > >Until very recently I pickled onions myself! I can assure you, they were >never vacuum sealed, That was your choice but those pickled cocktail onions bought at market are packed in vacuum sealed jars. Perhaps you are pickling full size onions for some other use, and why "Until very recently"? ================ Not huge onions at all. Something like these: http://britishfood.about.com/od/reci...pickonions.htm -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
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Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 20:01:40 -0400, wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 07:29:57 +1100, Bruce > >wrote: > >>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:19:28 -0400, wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 05:21:24 +1100, Bruce > >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 07:27:59 -0400, wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:22:08 +1100, Bruce > >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Here's Trump's new Minister of Justice doing the Nazi salute. >>>>> >>>>>Nope, I just have certain principles and when I saw what Heinz did, >>>>>leaving a whole valley of tomato farmers in the lurch, I decided not >>>>>to buy Heinz ketchup anymore. As it was, French decided it had all >>>>>the condiments for dogs and burgers so they might as well have ketchup >>>>>too and they rode in on their horse and rescued the farmers. >>>>> >>>>>Although I am in NS and this happened in Ontario, my local supermarket >>>>>carries French, very prominently displayed. Dave Smith can probably >>>>>point you to an article, it all happened in his area. >>>> >>>>I meant it literally, but I forgot to add the link. Trump's Minister >>>>of Justice doing the nazi salute: >>>>http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...-large-169.jpg >>>> >>>>I bet he walked into the room with a little goose in his step. >>> >>>I'd feel sorry for the goose! >> >>Why do geese get such a bad rep anyway? They don't even have arms they >>can raise. > >Ever seen an enraged goose? There's a reason they are used as factory >watch 'dogs' - "watch geese" are well known to be ferocious. They are as noisy as dogs, being pinched by their beak is no picnic and they will beat on you with their wings. Plus they will work as a team to take out intruders. Oh, and they are fast. Janet US |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 20:01:40 -0400, wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 07:29:57 +1100, Bruce > >wrote: > >>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:19:28 -0400, wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 05:21:24 +1100, Bruce > >>>wrote: >>> >>>>I meant it literally, but I forgot to add the link. Trump's Minister >>>>of Justice doing the nazi salute: >>>>http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...-large-169.jpg >>>> >>>>I bet he walked into the room with a little goose in his step. >>> >>>I'd feel sorry for the goose! >> >>Why do geese get such a bad rep anyway? They don't even have arms they >>can raise. > >Ever seen an enraged goose? There's a reason they are used as factory >watch 'dogs' - I know, but I was referring to the goose steppers that Trump's appointing at the moment. |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
Bruce wrote:
> > On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:23:05 -0400, wrote: > >Whereas when I die I will be happy knowing I have done what I felt was > >a good thing, rather than assisting a big company to plunder hard > >working farmers. > > I think Gary would be able to relate more if you said you never hurt a > ferret in your life. Being kind to friendly ferrets are a guaranteed ticket into Heaven! That's just a fact of life. :-D http://i59.tinypic.com/r2td1c.jpg |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
l not -l wrote:
> > On 9-Feb-2017, Bruce > wrote: > > I know, but I was referring to the goose steppers that Trump's > > appointing at the moment. > Pretty much the same as the bird. Aggressive, ill-tempered, full of crap > that they indiscriminately fling about. ;-) I'm really starting to suspect that we USAins elected a weirdo. As of now, I predict he'll never win a re-election unless Hillary tries to run on more time. gasp! (and it hasn't even been one month yet.) oh man......... |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:14:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>Bruce wrote: >> >> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:23:05 -0400, wrote: >> >Whereas when I die I will be happy knowing I have done what I felt was >> >a good thing, rather than assisting a big company to plunder hard >> >working farmers. >> >> I think Gary would be able to relate more if you said you never hurt a >> ferret in your life. > >Being kind to friendly ferrets are a guaranteed ticket into Heaven! >That's just a fact of life. :-D > >http://i59.tinypic.com/r2td1c.jpg I've never seen a ferret in real life. Where does that leave me? |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 12:38:37 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
> >On 9-Feb-2017, Bruce > wrote: > >> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 20:01:40 -0400, wrote: >> >> >On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 07:29:57 +1100, Bruce > >> >wrote: >> > >> >>On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:19:28 -0400, wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 05:21:24 +1100, Bruce > >> >>>wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>I meant it literally, but I forgot to add the link. Trump's Minister >> >>>>of Justice doing the nazi salute: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...-large-169.jpg >> >>>> >> >>>>I bet he walked into the room with a little goose in his step. >> >>> >> >>>I'd feel sorry for the goose! >> >> >> >>Why do geese get such a bad rep anyway? They don't even have arms they >> >>can raise. >> > >> >Ever seen an enraged goose? There's a reason they are used as factory >> >watch 'dogs' - >> >> I know, but I was referring to the goose steppers that Trump's >> appointing at the moment. >Pretty much the same as the bird. Aggressive, ill-tempered, full of crap >that they indiscriminately fling about. ;-) Ok :) |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
Bruce wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:14:16 -0500, Gary > wrote: > > >Bruce wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:23:05 -0400, wrote: > >> >Whereas when I die I will be happy knowing I have done what I felt was > >> >a good thing, rather than assisting a big company to plunder hard > >> >working farmers. > >> > >> I think Gary would be able to relate more if you said you never hurt a > >> ferret in your life. > > > >Being kind to friendly ferrets are a guaranteed ticket into Heaven! > >That's just a fact of life. :-D > > > >http://i59.tinypic.com/r2td1c.jpg > > I've never seen a ferret in real life. Where does that leave me? Well, there's the movie "Sleepless in Seattle" In your case - "Ferretless in Australia" :( |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
Gary wrote:
>l not -l wrote: >>Bruce wrote: >> > I know, but I was referring to the goose steppers that Trump's >> > appointing at the moment. > >> Pretty much the same as the bird. Aggressive, ill-tempered, full of crap >> that they indiscriminately fling about. ;-) > >I'm really starting to suspect that we USAins elected a weirdo. >As of now, I predict he'll never win a re-election unless Hillary >tries to run one more time. > >gasp! (and it hasn't even been one month yet.) oh man. I didn't see any of yoose anti-Trumpers toss your blue propeller beanies into the ring... odds are pitifully few even voted, including you. The Official Dem Wuss Hat: https://www.amazon.com/Jacobson-Hat-...opeller+beanie On a windy day it goes Wuss, Wuss, Wuss, Wuss, Wuss. . . . LOL-LOL Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . . . |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:10:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:14:16 -0500, Gary > wrote: >> >> >Bruce wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:23:05 -0400, wrote: >> >> >Whereas when I die I will be happy knowing I have done what I felt was >> >> >a good thing, rather than assisting a big company to plunder hard >> >> >working farmers. >> >> >> >> I think Gary would be able to relate more if you said you never hurt a >> >> ferret in your life. >> > >> >Being kind to friendly ferrets are a guaranteed ticket into Heaven! >> >That's just a fact of life. :-D >> > >> >http://i59.tinypic.com/r2td1c.jpg >> >> I've never seen a ferret in real life. Where does that leave me? > >Well, there's the movie "Sleepless in Seattle" >In your case - "Ferretless in Australia" :( Maybe there's a marsupial pouch ferret here that I'm unaware of. |
Ketchup debate: To chill or not to chill
On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> l not -l wrote: > > > > On 9-Feb-2017, Bruce > wrote: > > > I know, but I was referring to the goose steppers that Trump's > > > appointing at the moment. > > > Pretty much the same as the bird. Aggressive, ill-tempered, full of crap > > that they indiscriminately fling about. ;-) > > I'm really starting to suspect that we USAins elected a weirdo. > As of now, I predict he'll never win a re-election unless Hillary > tries to run on more time. > > gasp! (and it hasn't even been one month yet.) oh man......... Welcome to the party pal. Sooner or later Trump will have learn to keep his big yap shut and let the people around him take control of the country. In order for him to be successful, he'll need to delegate the presidency to people that sorta knows about these things. That's what the smart CEO does and that's what the people who elected him desired. It could work. :) |
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