On 9/6/2016 4:34 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:12:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> wrote in message ...
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CA2QSjRgF4
>>
>> One of your compatriots, though of all his songs I prefer You Raise Me
>> Up more.
>>
>> =============
>>
>> OH my!!! He is just brilliant A worthy winner
>
> I was surprised they compared him to Paul Potts, I find his voice much
> more full.
>

Can't imagine why.
Both were working class men
Both were on a "Got Talent" show
Both same the same song
Both won

On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 18:56:41 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/6/2016 4:34 PM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:12:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CA2QSjRgF4
>>>
>>> One of your compatriots, though of all his songs I prefer You Raise Me
>>> Up more.
>>>
>>> OH my!!! He is just brilliant A worthy winner
>>
>> I was surprised they compared him to Paul Potts, I find his voice much
>> more full.
>>
>
>Can't imagine why.
>Both were working class men
>Both were on a "Got Talent" show
>Both same the same song
>Both won

I don't understand the appeal of these kind of shows. There are
literally millions of people around the world who can 'sing' to that
standard. They generally lack nuance and character in their voices,
and are more focused on imitating a particular vocal style, and end up
sounding dry and sterile. And that is the difference between an
ordinary and a great vocalist.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 09:05:58 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 18:56:41 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 9/6/2016 4:34 PM, wrote:
>>> On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:12:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CA2QSjRgF4
>>>>
>>>> One of your compatriots, though of all his songs I prefer You Raise Me
>>>> Up more.
>>>>
>>>> OH my!!! He is just brilliant A worthy winner
>>>
>>> I was surprised they compared him to Paul Potts, I find his voice much
>>> more full.
>>>
>>
>>Can't imagine why.
>>Both were working class men
>>Both were on a "Got Talent" show
>>Both same the same song
>>Both won
>
>I don't understand the appeal of these kind of shows. There are
>literally millions of people around the world who can 'sing' to that
>standard. They generally lack nuance and character in their voices,
>and are more focused on imitating a particular vocal style, and end up
>sounding dry and sterile. And that is the difference between an
>ordinary and a great vocalist.

Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
way. Watch the Hurkens one where he sings You Raise me Up, much
better than Nessum Dorma.

On 2016-09-06, > wrote:

> Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
> way.

No surprise. Her face would stop a train!

nb

On 7 Sep 2016 00:16:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-09-06, > wrote:
>
>> Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
>> way.
>
>No surprise. Her face would stop a train!
>
>nb

Worse than that were her dark stockings with a light beige dress

wrote:
>
> On 7 Sep 2016 00:16:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2016-09-06, > wrote:
> >
> >> Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
> >> way.
> >
> >No surprise. Her face would stop a train!
> >
> >nb
>
> Worse than that were her dark stockings with a light beige dress

Sadly, looks do count if you want to be a famous singer. She could
probably get a career in a recording studio though...just no concert
appearances.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 07:26:53 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> On 7 Sep 2016 00:16:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2016-09-06, > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
>> >> way.
>> >
>> >No surprise. Her face would stop a train!
>> >
>> >nb
>>
>> Worse than that were her dark stockings with a light beige dress
>
>Sadly, looks do count if you want to be a famous singer. She could
>probably get a career in a recording studio though...just no concert
>appearances.

She did, they showed her how to dress better but she refused to be
made up, good for her!

In article >, says...
>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 7 Sep 2016 00:16:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >
> > >On 2016-09-06, > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
> > >> way.
> > >
> > >No surprise. Her face would stop a train!
> > >
> > >nb
> >
> > Worse than that were her dark stockings with a light beige dress
>
> Sadly, looks do count if you want to be a famous singer.

Looks didn't count in the careers of Barry Manilow, Amy Winehouse,
Michael Jackson, Barbara Streisand, Iggy Pop, Johnny Rotten.

Janet UK

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> wrote:
>>
>> On 7 Sep 2016 00:16:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2016-09-06, > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
>> >> way.
>> >
>> >No surprise. Her face would stop a train!
>> >
>> >nb
>>
>> Worse than that were her dark stockings with a light beige dress
>
> Sadly, looks do count if you want to be a famous singer. She could
> probably get a career in a recording studio though...just no concert
> appearances.

She's actually quite successful.

Cheri

> wrote in message
...
> On 7 Sep 2016 00:16:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2016-09-06, > wrote:
>>
>>> Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
>>> way.
>>
>>No surprise. Her face would stop a train!
>>
>>nb
>
> Worse than that were her dark stockings with a light beige dress

But the *girl* can sing.

Cheri

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:28:19 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On 7 Sep 2016 00:16:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2016-09-06, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
>>>> way.
>>>
>>>No surprise. Her face would stop a train!
>>>
>>>nb
>>
>> Worse than that were her dark stockings with a light beige dress
>
>But the *girl* can sing.
>
>Cheri

Very definitely! Lovely voice.

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 8:16:56 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-09-06, > wrote:
>
> > Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
> > way.
>
> No surprise. Her face would stop a train!
>
> nb

And Garrison Keillor has a face for radio. So what?

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 20:23:01 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 09:05:58 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 18:56:41 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/6/2016 4:34 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:12:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CA2QSjRgF4
>>>>>
>>>>> One of your compatriots, though of all his songs I prefer You Raise Me
>>>>> Up more.
>>>>>
>>>>> OH my!!! He is just brilliant A worthy winner
>>>>
>>>> I was surprised they compared him to Paul Potts, I find his voice much
>>>> more full.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Can't imagine why.
>>>Both were working class men
>>>Both were on a "Got Talent" show
>>>Both same the same song
>>>Both won
>>
>>I don't understand the appeal of these kind of shows. There are
>>literally millions of people around the world who can 'sing' to that
>>standard. They generally lack nuance and character in their voices,
>>and are more focused on imitating a particular vocal style, and end up
>>sounding dry and sterile. And that is the difference between an
>>ordinary and a great vocalist.
>
>Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
>way.

Precisely my point. Where is she now? I just checked, and she's
currently worried that she's about to be dropped by her label.

IMO, these type of shows are not the right way to foster *genuine* new
talent (that said, these same shows would *never* put on any genuine
talent anyway). Susan Boyle (and many others over the years) simply
are not good enough to sustain a musical career. Most of those
selected don't even write their own material... The shows themselves
obviously provide entertainment though, as so many people seem to like
them.

>Watch the Hurkens one where he sings You Raise me Up, much
>better than Nessum Dorma.

Well, see, I'm not interested in watching people sing other people's
songs for a start. I watched him sing it anyway, I'm still lost on
what's so good about his singing <shrug>. Just like Celine Dion or
Whitney Houston (for example) is lost on me. They sound like crap to
me. Theres more to good vocals than the ability to hold a note

On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 15:25:56 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 20:23:01 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 09:05:58 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 18:56:41 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 9/6/2016 4:34 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:12:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote in message ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CA2QSjRgF4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of your compatriots, though of all his songs I prefer You Raise Me
>>>>>> Up more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OH my!!! He is just brilliant A worthy winner
>>>>>
>>>>> I was surprised they compared him to Paul Potts, I find his voice much
>>>>> more full.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Can't imagine why.
>>>>Both were working class men
>>>>Both were on a "Got Talent" show
>>>>Both same the same song
>>>>Both won
>>>
>>>I don't understand the appeal of these kind of shows. There are
>>>literally millions of people around the world who can 'sing' to that
>>>standard. They generally lack nuance and character in their voices,
>>>and are more focused on imitating a particular vocal style, and end up
>>>sounding dry and sterile. And that is the difference between an
>>>ordinary and a great vocalist.

I watch little television and certainly not those shows, I only see
the clips on Youtube.
>>
>>Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
>>way.
>
>Precisely my point. Where is she now? I just checked, and she's
>currently worried that she's about to be dropped by her label.

I read an article that said she had some head problems, the intense
publicity made her very agitated.
>
>IMO, these type of shows are not the right way to foster *genuine* new
>talent (that said, these same shows would *never* put on any genuine
>talent anyway). Susan Boyle (and many others over the years) simply
>are not good enough to sustain a musical career. Most of those
>selected don't even write their own material... The shows themselves
>obviously provide entertainment though, as so many people seem to like
>them.
>
>>Watch the Hurkens one where he sings You Raise me Up, much
>>better than Nessum Dorma.
>
>Well, see, I'm not interested in watching people sing other people's
>songs for a start. I watched him sing it anyway, I'm still lost on
>what's so good about his singing <shrug>. Just like Celine Dion or
>Whitney Houston (for example) is lost on me. They sound like crap to
>me. Theres more to good vocals than the ability to hold a note

wrote:
>
> I watch little television and certainly not those shows, I only see
> the clips on Youtube.

The "Got Talent" shows are the best I've seen lately. Such a good
variety of amazing talent. Sad that they will pick only one winner as
they should really have divided it into singers, dancers, comedians,
etc. and let someone win from each category.

I think a weekly "talent show" would be a big hit. Kind of like the old
"Ed Sullivan Show" back in the 50's or 60's. No contest, just a variety
show of different talents.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 07:27:33 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> I watch little television and certainly not those shows, I only see
>> the clips on Youtube.
>
>The "Got Talent" shows are the best I've seen lately. Such a good
>variety of amazing talent. Sad that they will pick only one winner as
>they should really have divided it into singers, dancers, comedians,
>etc. and let someone win from each category.
>
>I think a weekly "talent show" would be a big hit. Kind of like the old
>"Ed Sullivan Show" back in the 50's or 60's. No contest, just a variety
>show of different talents.

One of the best was Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur..._Talent_Scouts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FlVhQTIL1Q

On 9/7/2016 7:27 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> I watch little television and certainly not those shows, I only see
>> the clips on Youtube.
>
> The "Got Talent" shows are the best I've seen lately. Such a good
> variety of amazing talent. Sad that they will pick only one winner as
> they should really have divided it into singers, dancers, comedians,
> etc. and let someone win from each category.
>
> I think a weekly "talent show" would be a big hit. Kind of like the old
> "Ed Sullivan Show" back in the 50's or 60's. No contest, just a variety
> show of different talents.
>

Some of the acts do go on tour at least for some appearances. I often
wonder what happens to some of the acts later. I certainly don't
consider most of them "losers" because they are damned good. Agree
though, it can be unfair to say a magician is better than a singer, thus
the winner. Both good, just different.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 07:08:25 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 15:25:56 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 20:23:01 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 09:05:58 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 18:56:41 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 9/6/2016 4:34 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:12:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote in message ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CA2QSjRgF4
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of your compatriots, though of all his songs I prefer You Raise Me
>>>>>>> Up more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OH my!!! He is just brilliant A worthy winner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was surprised they compared him to Paul Potts, I find his voice much
>>>>>> more full.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Can't imagine why.
>>>>>Both were working class men
>>>>>Both were on a "Got Talent" show
>>>>>Both same the same song
>>>>>Both won
>>>>
>>>>I don't understand the appeal of these kind of shows. There are
>>>>literally millions of people around the world who can 'sing' to that
>>>>standard. They generally lack nuance and character in their voices,
>>>>and are more focused on imitating a particular vocal style, and end up
>>>>sounding dry and sterile. And that is the difference between an
>>>>ordinary and a great vocalist.
>
>I watch little television and certainly not those shows, I only see
>the clips on Youtube.
>>>
>>>Well there was Susan Boyle - she would never have been known any other
>>>way.
>>
>>Precisely my point. Where is she now? I just checked, and she's
>>currently worried that she's about to be dropped by her label.
>
>I read an article that said she had some head problems, the intense
>publicity made her very agitated.

Being a fellow Aspie, I could see how that could happen. Then again,
that sort of pressure could get to anyone, really.

On 9/6/2016 7:05 PM, Je�us wrote:

> I don't understand the appeal of these kind of shows. There are
> literally millions of people around the world who can 'sing' to that
> standard. They generally lack nuance and character in their voices,
> and are more focused on imitating a particular vocal style, and end up
> sounding dry and sterile. And that is the difference between an
> ordinary and a great vocalist.
>

It is not just about singing. There are many good acts that get
highlighted and people can get the break they need to go pro.
Musicians, magicians, acrobats, dancers, you name it. There is really
some good, entertaining talent on the America version this year.

On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 20:01:15 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/6/2016 7:05 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>> I don't understand the appeal of these kind of shows. There are
>> literally millions of people around the world who can 'sing' to that
>> standard. They generally lack nuance and character in their voices,
>> and are more focused on imitating a particular vocal style, and end up
>> sounding dry and sterile. And that is the difference between an
>> ordinary and a great vocalist.
>>
>
>It is not just about singing. There are many good acts that get
>highlighted and people can get the break they need to go pro.
>Musicians, magicians, acrobats, dancers, you name it. There is really
>some good, entertaining talent on the America version this year.

It's good that it is not limited to singing. I'm just not attuned to
what is broadly popular when it comes to any forms of entertainment.
I don't watch TV either for that reason. Lowest common denominator and
all that...

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

On 9/6/2016 7:05 PM, Je�us wrote:

> I don't understand the appeal of these kind of shows. There are
> literally millions of people around the world who can 'sing' to that
> standard. They generally lack nuance and character in their voices,
> and are more focused on imitating a particular vocal style, and end up
> sounding dry and sterile. And that is the difference between an
> ordinary and a great vocalist.
>

It is not just about singing. There are many good acts that get
highlighted and people can get the break they need to go pro.
Musicians, magicians, acrobats, dancers, you name it. There is really
some good, entertaining talent on the America version this year.

==========

I agree! I don't like Cowell but I watch his shows for that reason.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On 9/6/2016 7:05 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
> > I don't understand the appeal of these kind of shows. There are
> > literally millions of people around the world who can 'sing' to that
> > standard. They generally lack nuance and character in their voices,
> > and are more focused on imitating a particular vocal style, and end up
> > sounding dry and sterile. And that is the difference between an
> > ordinary and a great vocalist.
> >
>
> It is not just about singing. There are many good acts that get
> highlighted and people can get the break they need to go pro.
> Musicians, magicians, acrobats, dancers, you name it. There is really
> some good, entertaining talent on the America version this year.
>
> ==========
>
> I agree! I don't like Cowell but I watch his shows for that reason.
>

Simon is the guy people like to hate. I like him. He's more honest in
his critique than the other judges, imo. For that reason he's often the
one not voting for someone. If you make Simon happy, you're in.

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On 9/6/2016 7:05 PM, Je�us wrote:
>
> > I don't understand the appeal of these kind of shows. There are
> > literally millions of people around the world who can 'sing' to that
> > standard. They generally lack nuance and character in their voices,
> > and are more focused on imitating a particular vocal style, and end up
> > sounding dry and sterile. And that is the difference between an
> > ordinary and a great vocalist.
> >
>
> It is not just about singing. There are many good acts that get
> highlighted and people can get the break they need to go pro.
> Musicians, magicians, acrobats, dancers, you name it. There is really
> some good, entertaining talent on the America version this year.
>
> ==========
>
> I agree! I don't like Cowell but I watch his shows for that reason.
>

Simon is the guy people like to hate. I like him. He's more honest in
his critique than the other judges, imo. For that reason he's often the
one not voting for someone. If you make Simon happy, you're in.

===========

The only thing he is interested in is money.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> Simon is the guy people like to hate. I like him. He's more honest in
> his critique than the other judges, imo. For that reason he's often the
> one not voting for someone. If you make Simon happy, you're in.
>
> ===========
>
> The only thing he is interested in is money.

Same as most people. I like Simon because he ignores all the hard luck
stories on these shows. He rated them by performance only. He's brutally
honest.

I liked what he said to Tape Face the last time. Something like, "You
can take something completely stupid and make us laugh." I agree. Tape
Face is refreshing and funny. Too bad he has to compete with singers and
dancers.

My top two singers are that young girl that sings like an opera singer.
Amazing but also a bit weird to me. She's fantastic but it freaks me out
when she sings. It's not her natural voice at all.

My favorite is Grace with the ukulele. Amazing voice and the last song
was her own. I was complete won over with that.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 9/6/2016 4:34 PM, wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:12:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> wrote in message ...
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CA2QSjRgF4
> >>
> >> One of your compatriots, though of all his songs I prefer You Raise Me
> >> Up more.
> >>
> >> =============
> >>
> >> OH my!!! He is just brilliant A worthy winner
> >
> > I was surprised they compared him to Paul Potts, I find his voice much
> > more full.
> >
>
> Can't imagine why.
> Both were working class men
> Both were on a "Got Talent" show
> Both same the same song
> Both won

Rather than stop at such superficialities, one can also compare the two
voices.

On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 18:56:41 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/6/2016 4:34 PM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:12:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CA2QSjRgF4
>>>
>>> One of your compatriots, though of all his songs I prefer You Raise Me
>>> Up more.
>>>
>>> =============
>>>
>>> OH my!!! He is just brilliant A worthy winner
>>
>> I was surprised they compared him to Paul Potts, I find his voice much
>> more full.
>>
>
>Can't imagine why.
>Both were working class men
>Both were on a "Got Talent" show
>Both same the same song
>Both won
>
Paul Potts was years younger - did you see the utube where Hirkels
sang You Raise Me Up ?