Plans have not been approved by the county yet, but it appears there may
be a third grocery store option near my home.

Right now what is conveniently located is Publix and Food Lion. (I don't
count the still under construction Super Walmart as a grocery store.)

The new one might be Harris Teeter. They're in the process of getting
plans approved for taking over the old Publix store location. The plans
mention them having a Starbucks and they want to add a second story
where they plan to have a wine bar. Hmmmm, a wine bar upstairs in a
grocery store. That's a bit odd.

Of course this is all in the initial planning stages and the plans have
not yet been approved. It might be nice to have a third option for
grocery shopping. They'll have to have competitive pricing and quality
products. They can keep their Starbucks and the wine bar.

Jill

On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
> Plans have not been approved by the county yet, but it appears there may
> be a third grocery store option near my home.
>
> Right now what is conveniently located is Publix and Food Lion. (I don't
> count the still under construction Super Walmart as a grocery store.)
>
> The new one might be Harris Teeter. They're in the process of getting
> plans approved for taking over the old Publix store location. The plans
> mention them having a Starbucks and they want to add a second story
> where they plan to have a wine bar. Hmmmm, a wine bar upstairs in a
> grocery store. That's a bit odd.
>
> Of course this is all in the initial planning stages and the plans have
> not yet been approved. It might be nice to have a third option for
> grocery shopping. They'll have to have competitive pricing and quality
> products. They can keep their Starbucks and the wine bar.
>
> Jill
>
>
We had 2 or 3 Harris Teeter stores here, pretty nice ones I
might add. One might still be open but the one closest to
work was bought by Kroger last year and closed. Prices were
higher than Kroger but the one that I frequented on occasion
was located in an expensive part of the county.

To add to that other thread about unloading groceries and
conveyor belts the Harris Teeter here had those flat, square
shopping carts. When you reached the checker s/he dropped
down the front of the cart (think of a 'trap door' on the
seat of long underwear to get an idea of these carts)and
removed your items and scanned them. Groceries went down
the conveyor belt to the bagger. Your new store may or
may not have these types of carts and check out system.

On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-4, wrote:

> To add to that other thread about unloading groceries and
> conveyor belts the Harris Teeter here had those flat, square
> shopping carts. When you reached the checker s/he dropped
> down the front of the cart (think of a 'trap door' on the
> seat of long underwear to get an idea of these carts)and
> removed your items and scanned them. Groceries went down
> the conveyor belt to the bagger. Your new store may or
> may not have these types of carts and check out system.

I remember those. They didn't hold enough. Now all of the
grocery stores are back to the old-fashioned kind.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 2:39:13 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>
> > To add to that other thread about unloading groceries and
> > conveyor belts the Harris Teeter here had those flat, square
> > shopping carts. When you reached the checker s/he dropped
> > down the front of the cart (think of a 'trap door' on the
> > seat of long underwear to get an idea of these carts)and
> > removed your items and scanned them. Groceries went down
> > the conveyor belt to the bagger. Your new store may or
> > may not have these types of carts and check out system.
>
> I remember those. They didn't hold enough. Now all of the
> grocery stores are back to the old-fashioned kind.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
I haven't seen these type in a while and when we had a
Winn-Dixie a hundred years ago they also had the flat,
square carts. Were these flat carts a smidge wider than
the regular, deep ones now or am I just imagining it?

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:45:36 -0400, jmcquown > wrote:

> and they want to add a second story
>where they plan to have a wine bar. Hmmmm, a wine bar upstairs in a
>grocery store. That's a bit odd.

My local Whole Foods on the second floor has: "THE ROOF: Serving a variety
of local and seasonal menu items from snacks to salads to entrees,
including vegan and vegetarian offerings, as well as 16 beers on tap,"

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:11:57 -0400, Don Wiss >
wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:45:36 -0400, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> and they want to add a second story
>>where they plan to have a wine bar. Hmmmm, a wine bar upstairs in a
>>grocery store. That's a bit odd.
>
>My local Whole Foods on the second floor has: "THE ROOF: Serving a variety
>of local and seasonal menu items from snacks to salads to entrees,
>including vegan and vegetarian offerings, as well as 16 beers on tap,"
>
>Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

that's interesting Don, I have visited the Whole Foods but did not
explore the second floor. I will have to check that out. I like to
stop by their food bar on the first floor occassionally.

William

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:48:53 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:11:57 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:45:36 -0400, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> and they want to add a second story
>>>where they plan to have a wine bar. Hmmmm, a wine bar upstairs in a
>>>grocery store. That's a bit odd.
>>
>> My local Whole Foods on the second floor has: "THE ROOF: Serving a variety
>> of local and seasonal menu items from snacks to salads to entrees,
>> including vegan and vegetarian offerings, as well as 16 beers on tap,"
>
>We have at least three grocery stores here that have wine bars on the
>shopping floor. Whole Foods has at least 2 bars that serve wine (and
>a couple others serve beer). And each Central Market has - or at
>least had - one. They also serve wine in the cafes that are open to
>the sales floor. You are also allowed to drink beer and wine as you
>shop.
>
>The second floor of Whole Foods is reserved for seating and am ice
>rink - I don't think they have any service up there.
>
>-sw

Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
they leave?

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:53:43 -0300, wrote:

>>We have at least three grocery stores here that have wine bars on the
>>shopping floor. Whole Foods has at least 2 bars that serve wine (and
>>a couple others serve beer). And each Central Market has - or at
>>least had - one. They also serve wine in the cafes that are open to
>>the sales floor. You are also allowed to drink beer and wine as you
>>shop.
>>
>>The second floor of Whole Foods is reserved for seating and am ice
>>rink - I don't think they have any service up there.
>
>Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
>they leave?

Wonder what the liability would be if somebody was drunk (or over the
limit) pushing a trolley and caused injury to themselves or others ?
:P

What a bizarre concept... I never really thought about drinking (or
eating) whilst grocery shopping.

On 8/12/2016 8:06 PM, Je�us wrote:
> Wonder what the liability would be if somebody was drunk (or over the
> limit) pushing a trolley and caused injury to themselves or others ?
> :P
>
> What a bizarre concept... I never really thought about drinking (or
> eating) whilst grocery shopping.
>
I never thought about doing that, either. Me, I just want to shop and
go home. I would not be hanging out having a drink at the grocery
store. Is someone going to watch my cart while I go upstairs for a
couple of classes of vino? Or should I drink first, then go shopping?

Sounds like a rather strange idea to me.

Jill

On 8/12/2016 7:53 PM, wrote:
> Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
> they leave?

The concept is new to me. I'd have that concern, for sure.

Jill

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:38:20 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/12/2016 8:06 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> Wonder what the liability would be if somebody was drunk (or over the
>> limit) pushing a trolley and caused injury to themselves or others ?
>> :P
>>
>> What a bizarre concept... I never really thought about drinking (or
>> eating) whilst grocery shopping.
>>
>I never thought about doing that, either. Me, I just want to shop and
>go home.

Me too. I wanna get my shopping over and done with ASAP.

>I would not be hanging out having a drink at the grocery
>store. Is someone going to watch my cart while I go upstairs for a
>couple of classes of vino? Or should I drink first, then go shopping?
>
>Sounds like a rather strange idea to me.

What's next... how about an area for Jai Alai just down the from the
dairy section?

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:36:19 -0400, William > wrote:

>that's interesting Don, I have visited the Whole Foods but did not
>explore the second floor. I will have to check that out. I like to
>stop by their food bar on the first floor occassionally.

And you figured out which Whole Foods is near me? I don't hide that I'm in
Park Slope, Brooklyn.

I didn't include the part of "The Roof, offers indoor and outdoor seating
overlooking the Gowanus Canal, surrounding neighborhoods, and the Manhattan
skyline."

Here's the menu:
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/serv...taproom-dining

It states there is "a wide selection of white, red, sparkling, and sweet
wines, including sangria."

I see nothing about entertainment. When the store first opened -- after
eight years of trying to open!! -- I did go upstairs to check it out. But I
do not shop there. The Food Coop is much cheaper and closer.

Someday, when I don't feel like cooking, I should bike there and buy some
foods from the steam tables.

Don. http://paleofood.com/ (e-mail at page bottom).

On 8/12/2016 8:06 PM, Je�us wrote:

> Wonder what the liability would be if somebody was drunk (or over the
> limit) pushing a trolley and caused injury to themselves or others ?
> :P
>
> What a bizarre concept... I never really thought about drinking (or
> eating) whilst grocery shopping.
>

One of our stores had a coffee setup and the put cup holders on the cart
handles. They no longer have the coffee corner and I've never seen the
cup holders used.

On 8/12/2016 12:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> Plans have not been approved by the county yet, but it appears there may
> be a third grocery store option near my home.
>
> Right now what is conveniently located is Publix and Food Lion. (I don't
> count the still under construction Super Walmart as a grocery store.)
>

Don't count them out. When our WalMart was expanded to a Super, it put
a big hurt on the other two in town. The other stores were forced to
change tactics and now have less sales and more every day low prices.

On 8/12/2016 9:03 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:38:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> I never thought about doing that, either. Me, I just want to shop and
>> go home. I would not be hanging out having a drink at the grocery
>> store. Is someone going to watch my cart while I go upstairs for a
>> couple of classes of vino? Or should I drink first, then go shopping?
>>
>> Sounds like a rather strange idea to me.
>
> Hole Foods, especially, is just as much a restaurant as it is a
> grocery store. They have 8 or 9 little food kiosks throughout the
> store, some with their own seating. Salads, pasta/wine,
> sushi/sashimi, pizza/calzones, raw bar, cold sandwiches, burger grill,
> cheese and wine, barbecue, and of course all their packaged takeout
> foods.
>
> And keep in mind Central Market and Hole Foods are not typical/general
> grocery stores. The hoity toidy rich bitches can spend a couple hours
> there browsing the aisles. They'll buy more when they're buzzed and
> totally forget about their manicured poodles dying of heat stroke out
> in their cars.
>
> -sw
>
It ain' me, it ain' me, I ain't no senator's son.

Jill

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 21:35:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/12/2016 12:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> Right now what is conveniently located is Publix and Food Lion. (I don't
>> count the still under construction Super Walmart as a grocery store.)
>
>Don't count them out. When our WalMart was expanded to a Super, it put
>a big hurt on the other two in town. The other stores were forced to
>change tactics and now have less sales and more every day low prices.

Consumer Reports ranks supermarkets. They rank 68 of them. Walmart
Supercenters are at the bottom. The dots are either all black, or half
black, except for one. They get a half red for Price satisfaction.

Of the four at the bottom the other three were A&P stores. They are now all
gone. So Walmart Supercenters are now all by themselves at the bottom.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

l not -l wrote:
>Don 'scissors' Wiss wrote:
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> >and they want to add a second story
>> >where they plan to have a wine bar. Hmmmm, a wine bar upstairs in a
>> >grocery store. That's a bit odd.
>>
>> My local Whole Foods on the second floor has: "THE ROOF: Serving a variety
>> of local and seasonal menu items from snacks to salads to entrees,
>> including vegan and vegetarian offerings, as well as 16 beers on tap,"
>>
>The store of our "premium" local chain in a very affluent community has a
>mezzanine that offers drinks and snacks. Oh, and live music - Music on
>the Mezz is what they call the events. Last night was poetry night - darn,
>I missed it.

If the market I shop had a Hooters on the roof I wouldn't get my
grocery shopping done... I'd probably arrive home with just two gallon
jugs of milk.

lucretiaborgia wrote:
>Sqwertz wrote:
>>Don Wiss wrote:
>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> and they want to add a second story
>>>>where they plan to have a wine bar. Hmmmm, a wine bar upstairs in a
>>>>grocery store. That's a bit odd.
>>>
>>> My local Whole Foods on the second floor has: "THE ROOF: Serving a variety
>>> of local and seasonal menu items from snacks to salads to entrees,
>>> including vegan and vegetarian offerings, as well as 16 beers on tap,"
>>
>>We have at least three grocery stores here that have wine bars on the
>>shopping floor. Whole Foods has at least 2 bars that serve wine (and
>>a couple others serve beer). And each Central Market has - or at
>>least had - one. They also serve wine in the cafes that are open to
>>the sales floor. You are also allowed to drink beer and wine as you
>>shop.
>>
>>The second floor of Whole Foods is reserved for seating and am ice
>>rink - I don't think they have any service up there.
>
>Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
>they leave?

That's why they don't meed state income tax in texass, the troopers
are stationed in the market parking lots.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:03:40 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:53:43 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:48:53 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>We have at least three grocery stores here that have wine bars on the
>>>shopping floor. Whole Foods has at least 2 bars that serve wine (and
>>>a couple others serve beer). And each Central Market has - or at
>>>least had - one. They also serve wine in the cafes that are open to
>>>the sales floor. You are also allowed to drink beer and wine as you
>>>shop.
>>>
>>>The second floor of Whole Foods is reserved for seating and am ice
>>>rink - I don't think they have any service up there.
>>
>> Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
>> they leave?
>
>How would they be any more concerned than any bar or restaurant that
>serves alcohol?
>
>-sw

Not concerned at all... by encouraging ever more people to booze it up
it gives the troopers a lot more targets to fill the state coffers.
The dwarf is not a good source to comment on such a topic, he doesn't
drive, he pedals a tricycle. Here's the dwarf pedaling home from
marketing:
http://stevemacaulay.photoshelter.co...000FgF2Ek5VjqI

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>> Plans have not been approved by the county yet, but it appears there may
>> be a third grocery store option near my home.
>>
>> Right now what is conveniently located is Publix and Food Lion. (I don't
>> count the still under construction Super Walmart as a grocery store.)
>
>Don't count them out. When our WalMart was expanded to a Super, it put
>a big hurt on the other two in town. The other stores were forced to
>change tactics and now have less sales and more every day low prices.

Ain't competition grand... before the big box stores mom n' pops
ripped people off left right and center and offered zero service. I
see it all the time, the small local stores have greatly lowered their
prices and are far more customer friendly, service has greatly
improved. I notice a big difference in the local plant nurseries,
they had to change their attitudes or close up, they were ripping
people off big time on tools, chems, and all kinds of gardening
products, and their plants were way over priced.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:04:05 -0400, Don Wiss >
wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 21:35:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 8/12/2016 12:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> Right now what is conveniently located is Publix and Food Lion. (I don't
>>> count the still under construction Super Walmart as a grocery store.)
>>
>>Don't count them out. When our WalMart was expanded to a Super, it put
>>a big hurt on the other two in town. The other stores were forced to
>>change tactics and now have less sales and more every day low prices.
>
>Consumer Reports ranks supermarkets. They rank 68 of them. Walmart
>Supercenters are at the bottom. The dots are either all black, or half
>black, except for one. They get a half red for Price satisfaction.
>
>Of the four at the bottom the other three were A&P stores. They are now all
>gone. So Walmart Supercenters are now all by themselves at the bottom.

Bullshit, nobody beats Walmart's prices, I haven't found any store yet
with lower prices... just this week I needed deodorant, Walmart's
price for Old Spice Classic was a dollar less than at the local Rite
Aid. I shop the local Rite Aid for a couple Rx drugs but for nothing
else, I wait until I get to Walmart... BJs prices are good too but BJs
is Walmart.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:53:37 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Bullshit, nobody beats Walmart's prices,

Shoplifters can.

On 8/12/2016 10:04 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 21:35:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 8/12/2016 12:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> Right now what is conveniently located is Publix and Food Lion. (I don't
>>> count the still under construction Super Walmart as a grocery store.)
>>
>> Don't count them out. When our WalMart was expanded to a Super, it put
>> a big hurt on the other two in town. The other stores were forced to
>> change tactics and now have less sales and more every day low prices.
>
> Consumer Reports ranks supermarkets. They rank 68 of them. Walmart
> Supercenters are at the bottom. The dots are either all black, or half
> black, except for one. They get a half red for Price satisfaction.
>
> Of the four at the bottom the other three were A&P stores. They are now all
> gone. So Walmart Supercenters are now all by themselves at the bottom.
>
> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>

They are at the bottom for a lot of reasons but they do have low prices
on name brand products. I sometimes pick up a half dozen items and save
myself $10+ to spend at another store. I also picked up 3 pounds of
the best cherries of the season there.

Wegman's is my favorite and gets top rating but it is too far to go for
weekly shopping.

On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 7:53:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:48:53 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:11:57 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:45:36 -0400, jmcquown > wrote:
> >>
> >>> and they want to add a second story
> >>>where they plan to have a wine bar. Hmmmm, a wine bar upstairs in a
> >>>grocery store. That's a bit odd.
> >>
> >> My local Whole Foods on the second floor has: "THE ROOF: Serving a variety
> >> of local and seasonal menu items from snacks to salads to entrees,
> >> including vegan and vegetarian offerings, as well as 16 beers on tap,"
> >
> >We have at least three grocery stores here that have wine bars on the
> >shopping floor. Whole Foods has at least 2 bars that serve wine (and
> >a couple others serve beer). And each Central Market has - or at
> >least had - one. They also serve wine in the cafes that are open to
> >the sales floor. You are also allowed to drink beer and wine as you
> >shop.
> >
> >The second floor of Whole Foods is reserved for seating and am ice
> >rink - I don't think they have any service up there.
> >
> >-sw
>
> Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
> they leave?

This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
our lenient drunk-driving laws. It's as if driving was a civil right
or something.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/12/2016 9:05 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:39:45 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 8/12/2016 7:53 PM, wrote:
>>> Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
>>> they leave?
>>
>> The concept is new to me. I'd have that concern, for sure.
>
> You're suggesting banning all bars and restaurants from serving
> alcohol, too? How is that any different?
>
> -sw
>
Of course not. But I don't exect my grocery store to *be* a bar.

Jill

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 10:06:58 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:53:43 -0300, wrote:
>
>>>We have at least three grocery stores here that have wine bars on the
>>>shopping floor. Whole Foods has at least 2 bars that serve wine (and
>>>a couple others serve beer). And each Central Market has - or at
>>>least had - one. They also serve wine in the cafes that are open to
>>>the sales floor. You are also allowed to drink beer and wine as you
>>>shop.
>>>
>>>The second floor of Whole Foods is reserved for seating and am ice
>>>rink - I don't think they have any service up there.
>>
>>Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
>>they leave?
>
>Wonder what the liability would be if somebody was drunk (or over the
>limit) pushing a trolley and caused injury to themselves or others ?
>:P
>
>What a bizarre concept... I never really thought about drinking (or
>eating) whilst grocery shopping.

I didn't think of that but yes, a spoiled kid once ran a cart into me
and the crack on the ankle made my eyes water. My foot was bruised
and swollen for about a week.

What really ****ed me off was the mother seemed to think I should have
moved so her kid could continue! She had three there and shortly
after that they ran into a pyramid display of maple syrup which came
down. She was asked to leave - and take her kids with her - and she
was mad as hell, yelling at all of us and asking didn't we remember
what minding three little kids was like! Somebody told her, yes, we
disciplined them!

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:05:41 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:39:45 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 8/12/2016 7:53 PM, wrote:
>>> Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
>>> they leave?
>>
>> The concept is new to me. I'd have that concern, for sure.
>
>You're suggesting banning all bars and restaurants from serving
>alcohol, too? How is that any different?
>
>-sw

I understand your point and it's true but somehow starting to include
alcohol consumption on a grocery trip jangles. I'm not anti booze,
just doesn't seem the right venue.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> wrote:
> This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
> our lenient drunk-driving laws.

Lenient? Don't get caught DUI in Virginia.

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 02:38:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:


>> Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
>> they leave?
>
>This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
>our lenient drunk-driving laws. It's as if driving was a civil right
>or something.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Phew! I didn't know that. The level is very low here and now in
addition to roadside checks there are all sorts of PSAs urging people
to phone in if they see a driver acting erratically - if they use
their mobile it has to be a hands free, not legal any other way.

On 8/12/2016 11:53 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:04:05 -0400, Don Wiss >
> wrote:

>> Consumer Reports ranks supermarkets. They rank 68 of them. Walmart
>> Supercenters are at the bottom. The dots are either all black, or half
>> black, except for one. They get a half red for Price satisfaction.

> Bullshit, nobody beats Walmart's prices, I haven't found any store yet
> with lower prices... just this week I needed deodorant, Walmart's
> price for Old Spice Classic was a dollar less than at the local Rite
> Aid. I shop the local Rite Aid for a couple Rx drugs but for nothing
> else, I wait until I get to Walmart... BJs prices are good too but BJs
> is Walmart.

They did get a half red for Price satisfaction. I guess you'd
give them a whole red. Seems the people who voted aren't as
impressed.

nancy

On 8/13/2016 7:16 AM, wrote:
> What really ****ed me off was the mother seemed to think I should have
> moved so her kid could continue! She had three there and shortly
> after that they ran into a pyramid display of maple syrup which came
> down. She was asked to leave - and take her kids with her - and she
> was mad as hell, yelling at all of us and asking didn't we remember
> what minding three little kids was like! Somebody told her, yes, we
> disciplined them!

You're expecting parents to actually *mind* their children when they're
out in public?! What a concept.

Jill

On 8/13/2016 7:33 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 02:38:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>
>>> Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
>>> they leave?
>>
>> This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
>> our lenient drunk-driving laws. It's as if driving was a civil right
>> or something.

> Phew! I didn't know that. The level is very low here and now in
> addition to roadside checks there are all sorts of PSAs urging people
> to phone in if they see a driver acting erratically - if they use
> their mobile it has to be a hands free, not legal any other way.

It's exactly the same way here. Much different than what Cindy
says about where she lives.

Hands free phone is a joke, too, it's been proven many times,
they just can't enforce you to stop talking while you're driving.
The thing is, from my experience, people don't talk much on the
phone anymore, they text. They aren't doing that hands free from
what I can see.

nancy

On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > wrote:
> > This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
> > our lenient drunk-driving laws.
>
> Lenient? Don't get caught DUI in Virginia.

Virginia:

Virginia categorizes a first DUI offense as a class 1 misdemeanor and imposes a fine ranginging from $250 to $2,500. The law also imposes a one-year license suspension. The punishment increases if you were arrested with a BAC of 0.15% or higher in which case your sentence may include a minimum five-day jail sentence..

Sweden:

Surpassing the limit is a serious offence, fined with ‚¬500. Driving with an alcohol rate over 0.12% is a crime (up to 6 months imprisonment and license suspension up to 4 years). Sweden: 0.02% (up to 6 months imprisonment), 0.10% (imprisonment, maximum 2 years).

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Nancy Young > wrote:

>On 8/12/2016 11:53 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:04:05 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
>>> Consumer Reports ranks supermarkets. They rank 68 of them. Walmart
>>> Supercenters are at the bottom. The dots are either all black, or half
>>> black, except for one. They get a half red for Price satisfaction.
>
>> Bullshit, nobody beats Walmart's prices, I haven't found any store yet
>> with lower prices...
>
>They did get a half red for Price satisfaction. I guess you'd
>give them a whole red. Seems the people who voted aren't as impressed.

Okay. Let's see what stores got a full red dot. In rank order:

Trader Joe's
Fareway Stores
Market Basket (Northeast)
Costco
Win-Co
Aldi

That's it. Only six full red dots.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On 8/13/2016 9:39 AM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Nancy Young > wrote:

> Okay. Let's see what stores got a full red dot. In rank order:
>
> Trader Joe's
> Fareway Stores
> Market Basket (Northeast)
> Costco
> Win-Co
> Aldi
>
> That's it. Only six full red dots.

I'm surprised to see Aldi there, and not Wegman's. Or Publix,
not that there are any of those around here.

The store where I do most of my day to day shopping (meaning,
not Costco) is always ranked near the bottom. I like the store,
though, warts and all.

nancy

On 8/13/2016 8:39 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
>>> our lenient drunk-driving laws.
>>
>> Lenient? Don't get caught DUI in Virginia.
>
> Virginia:
>
> Virginia categorizes a first DUI offense as a class 1 misdemeanor and imposes a fine ranginging from $250 to $2,500. The law also imposes a one-year license suspension. The punishment increases if you were arrested with a BAC of 0.15% or higher in which case your sentence may include a minimum five-day jail sentence..
>
> Sweden:
>
> Surpassing the limit is a serious offence, fined with ‚¬500. Driving with an alcohol rate over 0.12% is a crime (up to 6 months imprisonment and license suspension up to 4 years). Sweden: 0.02% (up to 6 months imprisonment), 0.10% (imprisonment, maximum 2 years).

What about Cananda? That's where lucretia lives. Just because some
country has draconian laws doesn't mean ours are bad.

nancy

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Nancy Young > wrote:

>On 8/13/2016 9:39 AM, Don Wiss wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> Okay. Let's see what stores got a full red dot. In rank order:
>>
>> Trader Joe's
>> Fareway Stores
>> Market Basket (Northeast)
>> Costco
>> Win-Co
>> Aldi
>>
>> That's it. Only six full red dots.
>
>I'm surprised to see Aldi there, and not Wegman's. Or Publix,
>not that there are any of those around here.

I wasn't clear. That was only price satisfaction. Overall Wegman's is #1.
The top of the overall rankings:

Wegman's
Publix
Trader Joe's
Fareway Stores
Market Basket (Northeast)
Costco
Raley's
Sprouts Farmers Market
Fresh Market
Stater Bros.
Win-Co
Hy-Vee
H-E-B
Aldi
Fry's
Harris-Teeter
King Soopers
Fred Meyer
Food City (KY,TN,VA)
Hannaford
Meijer
Dillons
etc.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

jmcquown wrote:
>
> You're expecting parents to actually *mind* their children when they're
> out in public?! What a concept.

A good parent teaches their children to behave in public.

On 8/13/2016 9:51 AM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
>> On 8/13/2016 9:39 AM, Don Wiss wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> Okay. Let's see what stores got a full red dot. In rank order:
>>>
>>> Trader Joe's
>>> Fareway Stores
>>> Market Basket (Northeast)
>>> Costco
>>> Win-Co
>>> Aldi
>>>
>>> That's it. Only six full red dots.
>>
>> I'm surprised to see Aldi there, and not Wegman's. Or Publix,
>> not that there are any of those around here.
>
> I wasn't clear. That was only price satisfaction. Overall Wegman's is #1.
> The top of the overall rankings:

I'm sorry, I read too much into it. You were clear. I saw full
red dots and ran with it.

> Wegman's
> Publix
> Trader Joe's
> Fareway Stores
> Market Basket (Northeast)
> Costco

Aside from 4 & 5, which I don't know, that list doesn't surprise me.

nancy

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:47:28 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 8/13/2016 8:39 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
>>>> our lenient drunk-driving laws.
>>>
>>> Lenient? Don't get caught DUI in Virginia.
>>
>> Virginia:
>>
>> Virginia categorizes a first DUI offense as a class 1 misdemeanor and imposes a fine ranginging from $250 to $2,500. The law also imposes a one-year license suspension. The punishment increases if you were arrested with a BAC of 0.15% or higher in which case your sentence may include a minimum five-day jail sentence..
>>
>> Sweden:
>>
>> Surpassing the limit is a serious offence, fined with €500. Driving with an alcohol rate over 0.12% is a crime (up to 6 months imprisonment and license suspension up to 4 years). Sweden: 0.02% (up to 6 months imprisonment), 0.10% (imprisonment, maximum 2 years).
>
>What about Cananda? That's where lucretia lives. Just because some
>country has draconian laws doesn't mean ours are bad.
>
>nancy

Here's what was said without editing

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 02:38:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:


>> Don't they have any concerns about drivers being over the limit after
>> they leave?
>
>This is America. We barely care about drunk driving, as evinced by
>our lenient drunk-driving laws. It's as if driving was a civil right
>or something.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Phew! I didn't know that. The level is very low here and now in
addition to roadside checks there are all sorts of PSAs urging people
to phone in if they see a driver acting erratically - if they use
their mobile it has to be a hands free, not legal any other way.