On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 5:44:08 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:26:45 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
> >Attributes are a thing of the past in the group anymore. Most people's
> >posts don't have anything to tell one post from the one above it. Not
> >blaming you, just that sometimes it's hard to tell who wrote what. I
> >just looked up at the monitor and see that your post isn't even quoted
> >now because of the "-- " left in whatever you replied to and t-bird
> >removes anything under that thinking it is a sig. I had to add it back
> >manually.
>
> Google groups and Microsoft Windows Live Mail are the worst offenders.
> At least with google groups it appears to be user laziness/ignorance,
> because Cindy uses Google groups and her posts always look fine.

I'm an anal-retentive Unix geek. If I could still use rn, I would.
Since my preferred text editor is vi, I'm accustomed to hitting the
return key about every 80 characters, rather than letting it wrap
in the user interface.

GG is a crappy interface for those who are used to the computer doing
everything for them. It's not so bad for us control freaks.

Cindy Hamilton

Jeßus wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:59:24 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:36:02 PM UTC-10, Jeßus wrote:
> >> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:27:32 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 12:13:06 PM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> >> Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?
> >> >
> >> >These days I use a Chromebook mostly so I don't have the option of using an Android app. Actually, I might be able to run an Android app on this Chromebook, which is in developer's mode, but there's not much incentive to find a Usenet app when the web-based Google Groups on the Chrome browser works so seamlessly.
> >>
> >> Yeah, sure it does you dickhead. Just look at your mangled reply
> >> above. 'Hee hee'.
> >
> >Let's face it, the only thing you got left is making nasty personal remarks in order to garner a little attention. That's just plain pathetic but you're easy enough to ignore.
>
> So take you own advice and ignore me. Nasty personal remarks? I'm
> criticising your idiotic non-compliant Usenet posts. That's personal,
> is it? You're clearly too dumb to know how to construct a proper post.
>
> >The jury is still out on whether race-baiting is even more sadder. My guess is yoose guys is equally despicable but that's just me.
>
> Race baiting? WTF?
>
> >Hee-hee.
>
> Indeed. You're the mindless kind of ****wit that contributes nothing
> to society other than to joyfully embrace the worst aspects of
> society. At least you will be dead sooner rather than later. 'hee
> hee'.


Sez the Ozzie MOZZIE troll...who should be SQUASHED and then soaked in a bath of DDT...


--
Best
Greg

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 03:19:04 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 5:44:08 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:26:45 -0400, Cheryl >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Attributes are a thing of the past in the group anymore. Most people's
>> >posts don't have anything to tell one post from the one above it. Not
>> >blaming you, just that sometimes it's hard to tell who wrote what. I
>> >just looked up at the monitor and see that your post isn't even quoted
>> >now because of the "-- " left in whatever you replied to and t-bird
>> >removes anything under that thinking it is a sig. I had to add it back
>> >manually.
>>
>> Google groups and Microsoft Windows Live Mail are the worst offenders.
>> At least with google groups it appears to be user laziness/ignorance,
>> because Cindy uses Google groups and her posts always look fine.
>
>I'm an anal-retentive Unix geek. If I could still use rn, I would.
>Since my preferred text editor is vi, I'm accustomed to hitting the
>return key about every 80 characters, rather than letting it wrap
>in the user interface.

So that's why your GG posts look good

>GG is a crappy interface for those who are used to the computer doing
>everything for them. It's not so bad for us control freaks.

I never thought about it that way (control freaks). Pretty much
everything I dislike (such as GG, Win 10, OSX, tablets, the 'cloud',
etc.) all share the common theme of minimal control by the user.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:57:08 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 7/31/2016 3:18 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:13:03 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/31/2016 2:52 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> But of course, theres noting stopping you using a purpose designed app
>>>> for Usenet other than that being an obviously sensible solution.
>>>
>>> Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?
>>
>> I don't use mobile devices so I can't recommend one based on personal
>> experience, sorry. I did do a search in respect to my last post and
>> there were a few options available.
>>
>
>I tried a couple, but they didn't work at all.

Dagnabit. There must be some that work. I'm going to have to look into
these devices soon as I need something to take with me overseas later
this year - although I'm more likely to go for a small laptop of some
sort.

On 7/31/2016 10:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> I've used Google Groups for nearly a decade. I've tried the Android and Windows NNTP programs and I know what works for me. If any of yoose mugs got any problem with yoose newsreaders go whine to somebody that cares. I shall not lie to you and offer reassurance that your old horse-n-buggy newsreader can ever be made relevant to the rest of the modern world.
>

Only problem I have is replying to a GG post. I see a few very long
lines making it difficult to trim.

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 18:59:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/31/2016 10:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I've used Google Groups for nearly a decade. I've tried the Android and Windows NNTP programs and I know what works for me. If any of yoose mugs got any problem with yoose newsreaders go whine to somebody that cares. I shall not lie to you and offer reassurance that your old horse-n-buggy newsreader can ever be made relevant to the rest of the modern world.
>>
>
>Only problem I have is replying to a GG post. I see a few very long
>lines making it difficult to trim.

That's one of the worst traits. Another one is with GG posters such as
who never, ever has any context in their replies so
you don't even know who or what theyre replying to. Or replies to 20
year old posts...

On 8/1/2016 5:19 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:57:08 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/31/2016 3:18 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:13:03 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/31/2016 2:52 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> But of course, theres noting stopping you using a purpose designed app
>>>>> for Usenet other than that being an obviously sensible solution.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?
>>>
>>> I don't use mobile devices so I can't recommend one based on personal
>>> experience, sorry. I did do a search in respect to my last post and
>>> there were a few options available.
>>>
>>
>> I tried a couple, but they didn't work at all.
>
> Dagnabit. There must be some that work. I'm going to have to look into
> these devices soon as I need something to take with me overseas later
> this year - although I'm more likely to go for a small laptop of some
> sort.
>
I use one simply called Newsgroups. It works well enough for me, but
I've been told the mime encoding isn't something that all news servers
will propagate but I get enough replies for me to think it works well
enough.

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Cheryl

On 8/1/2016 6:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/31/2016 10:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I've used Google Groups for nearly a decade. I've tried the Android
>> and Windows NNTP programs and I know what works for me. If any of
>> yoose mugs got any problem with yoose newsreaders go whine to somebody
>> that cares. I shall not lie to you and offer reassurance that your old
>> horse-n-buggy newsreader can ever be made relevant to the rest of the
>> modern world.
>>
>
> Only problem I have is replying to a GG post. I see a few very long
> lines making it difficult to trim.
>
Fortunately, Thunderbird auto wraps the GG posts. dsi1 is fooling
himself if he thinks Google is or ever will be a newsreader. And while
he's busy calling us all the horse-n-buggy crowd, I'd like to know why
he bothers with newsgroups. They are, after all, antiquated forms of
communication. Shouldn't he be busy chatting up people on Facebook,
Instagram, etc.?

Jill

On 8/1/2016 7:08 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 18:59:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 7/31/2016 10:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> I've used Google Groups for nearly a decade. I've tried the Android and Windows NNTP programs and I know what works for me. If any of yoose mugs got any problem with yoose newsreaders go whine to somebody that cares. I shall not lie to you and offer reassurance that your old horse-n-buggy newsreader can ever be made relevant to the rest of the modern world.
>>>
>>
>> Only problem I have is replying to a GG post. I see a few very long
>> lines making it difficult to trim.
>
> That's one of the worst traits. Another one is with GG posters such as
> who never, ever has any context in their replies so
> you don't even know who or what theyre replying to. Or replies to 20
> year old posts...
>
Gotta love the replies to 20 year old posts. Those are the people
who just stumbled upon something called "groups". They post once and
are never heard from again.

Believe it or not, there *is* a way to quote for context when using
Google Groups. The problem lies with the user who simply never bothers
to figure out how. Having said that, I would only use GG as a last resort.

Jill

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 19:40:23 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 8/1/2016 5:19 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:57:08 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/31/2016 3:18 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:13:03 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/31/2016 2:52 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> But of course, theres noting stopping you using a purpose designed app
>>>>>> for Usenet other than that being an obviously sensible solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any recommendations for such a free Android app?
>>>>
>>>> I don't use mobile devices so I can't recommend one based on personal
>>>> experience, sorry. I did do a search in respect to my last post and
>>>> there were a few options available.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I tried a couple, but they didn't work at all.
>>
>> Dagnabit. There must be some that work. I'm going to have to look into
>> these devices soon as I need something to take with me overseas later
>> this year - although I'm more likely to go for a small laptop of some
>> sort.
>>
>I use one simply called Newsgroups. It works well enough for me, but
>I've been told the mime encoding isn't something that all news servers
>will propagate but I get enough replies for me to think it works well
>enough.

As far as I can tell, I'm getting all of your posts...

Upon reflection, I think I'll choose something with an actual
keyboard. I've never much liked the touch screen style of doing
things. That should mean I can stick to most of my usual programmes.

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:25:44 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/1/2016 6:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/31/2016 10:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> I've used Google Groups for nearly a decade. I've tried the Android
>>> and Windows NNTP programs and I know what works for me. If any of
>>> yoose mugs got any problem with yoose newsreaders go whine to somebody
>>> that cares. I shall not lie to you and offer reassurance that your old
>>> horse-n-buggy newsreader can ever be made relevant to the rest of the
>>> modern world.
>>>
>>
>> Only problem I have is replying to a GG post. I see a few very long
>> lines making it difficult to trim.
>>
>Fortunately, Thunderbird auto wraps the GG posts. dsi1 is fooling
>himself if he thinks Google is or ever will be a newsreader. And while
>he's busy calling us all the horse-n-buggy crowd, I'd like to know why
>he bothers with newsgroups. They are, after all, antiquated forms of
>communication. Shouldn't he be busy chatting up people on Facebook,
>Instagram, etc.?

As far as I am concerned, Usenet was perfected virtually from the
start. Low bandwidth, efficient and does the job. Why mess with it? If
somebody thinks it needs 'modernising' then they obviously don't like
Usenet and should use web based forums.

I see a place for web based Usenet access, but there's no reason to
make the actual posts non-compliant with Usenet protocols and
standards like google does. The very same company mind you that
PROMISED to maintain and preserve the Deja archive... and has
subsequently mangled the archive beyond all repair.

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:31:30 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/1/2016 7:08 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 18:59:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/31/2016 10:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've used Google Groups for nearly a decade. I've tried the Android and Windows NNTP programs and I know what works for me. If any of yoose mugs got any problem with yoose newsreaders go whine to somebody that cares. I shall not lie to you and offer reassurance that your old horse-n-buggy newsreader can ever be made relevant to the rest of the modern world.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Only problem I have is replying to a GG post. I see a few very long
>>> lines making it difficult to trim.
>>
>> That's one of the worst traits. Another one is with GG posters such as
>> who never, ever has any context in their replies so
>> you don't even know who or what theyre replying to. Or replies to 20
>> year old posts...
>>
>Gotta love the replies to 20 year old posts. Those are the people
>who just stumbled upon something called "groups". They post once and
>are never heard from again.
>
>Believe it or not, there *is* a way to quote for context when using
>Google Groups. The problem lies with the user who simply never bothers
>to figure out how. Having said that, I would only use GG as a last resort.

Yes, same. I'm pretty sure some of the major commercial Usenet servers
also have web based access, which undoubtedly would be superior to GG.
I would take a look at those were I forced to use the Web.

Also, note the arrogance of Google who by implication made Usenet part
of Google by calling Usenet 'Google Groups'.

On 2016-08-01, Jeßus > wrote:

> I never thought about it that way (control freaks). Pretty much
> everything I dislike (such as GG, Win 10, OSX, tablets, the 'cloud',

The "cloud" usta be a slang term fer the internet. Then, commercial
dirtbags hijacked the term fer their give-me-$$$$ databases they want
you to pay/join.

I play on the "cloud" all day, BUT!, I'd never subscribe to some
commercial "cloud" database. Yes, the powers-that-be want you to
acquiesce to their "cloud". Don't do it.

nb

On 2 Aug 2016 01:15:49 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2016-08-01, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> I never thought about it that way (control freaks). Pretty much
>> everything I dislike (such as GG, Win 10, OSX, tablets, the 'cloud',
>
>The "cloud" usta be a slang term fer the internet. Then, commercial
>dirtbags hijacked the term fer their give-me-$$$$ databases they want
>you to pay/join.
>
>I play on the "cloud" all day, BUT!, I'd never subscribe to some
>commercial "cloud" database. Yes, the powers-that-be want you to
>acquiesce to their "cloud". Don't do it.

Don't worry, I have NO plans to!

On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 3:15:52 PM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-08-01, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> > I never thought about it that way (control freaks). Pretty much
> > everything I dislike (such as GG, Win 10, OSX, tablets, the 'cloud',
>
> The "cloud" usta be a slang term fer the internet. Then, commercial
> dirtbags hijacked the term fer their give-me-$$$$ databases they want
> you to pay/join.
>
> I play on the "cloud" all day, BUT!, I'd never subscribe to some
> commercial "cloud" database. Yes, the powers-that-be want you to
> acquiesce to their "cloud". Don't do it.
>
> nb

That's a rather old fashioned notion. The reality is that Enterprises are going for cloud computing in a big way. Why spend the time and money building your own computer center? Why keep valuable data on-site? Why not rent these services instead? Why indeed.

The reality is that for the first time, what the boomer generation says and thinks won't amount to a hill of beans. As far as generations goes, the boomers were a self-indulgent, self-centered, short-sighted, greedy lot. It's a great relief to get them out of the way to make room for the new gens who will hopefully make this world a better place. The boomer gen were pretty much a fail.

On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 10:04:21 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 3:15:52 PM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> > On 2016-08-01, Jeßus > wrote:
> >
> > > I never thought about it that way (control freaks). Pretty much
> > > everything I dislike (such as GG, Win 10, OSX, tablets, the 'cloud',
> >
> > The "cloud" usta be a slang term fer the internet. Then, commercial
> > dirtbags hijacked the term fer their give-me-$$$$ databases they want
> > you to pay/join.
> >
> > I play on the "cloud" all day, BUT!, I'd never subscribe to some
> > commercial "cloud" database. Yes, the powers-that-be want you to
> > acquiesce to their "cloud". Don't do it.
> >
> > nb
>
> That's a rather old fashioned notion. The reality is that Enterprises are
going for cloud computing in a big way. Why spend the time and money building
your own computer center? Why keep valuable data on-site? Why not rent these
services instead? Why indeed.

If it's on my server, I can control it.

> The reality is that for the first time, what the boomer generation says and
>thinks won't amount to a hill of beans. As far as generations goes, the
>boomers were a self-indulgent, self-centered, short-sighted, greedy lot. It's >a great relief to get them out of the way to make room for the new gens who >will
>hopefully make this world a better place. The boomer gen were pretty much a
>fail.

Thanks. Keep that in mind when you use all of the stuff we developed,
like the personal computer and its heirs.

Incidentally, I added a bunch of newlines to your post so they wouldn't
give other people a pain.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 12:16:40 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 10:04:21 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 3:15:52 PM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> > > On 2016-08-01, Jeßus > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I never thought about it that way (control freaks). Pretty much
> > > > everything I dislike (such as GG, Win 10, OSX, tablets, the 'cloud',
> > >
> > > The "cloud" usta be a slang term fer the internet. Then, commercial
> > > dirtbags hijacked the term fer their give-me-$$$$ databases they want
> > > you to pay/join.
> > >
> > > I play on the "cloud" all day, BUT!, I'd never subscribe to some
> > > commercial "cloud" database. Yes, the powers-that-be want you to
> > > acquiesce to their "cloud". Don't do it.
> > >
> > > nb
> >
> > That's a rather old fashioned notion. The reality is that Enterprises are
> going for cloud computing in a big way. Why spend the time and money building
> your own computer center? Why keep valuable data on-site? Why not rent these
> services instead? Why indeed.
>
> If it's on my server, I can control it.
>
> > The reality is that for the first time, what the boomer generation says and
> >thinks won't amount to a hill of beans. As far as generations goes, the
> >boomers were a self-indulgent, self-centered, short-sighted, greedy lot. It's >a great relief to get them out of the way to make room for the new gens who >will
> >hopefully make this world a better place. The boomer gen were pretty much a
> >fail.
>
> Thanks. Keep that in mind when you use all of the stuff we developed,
> like the personal computer and its heirs.
>
> Incidentally, I added a bunch of newlines to your post so they wouldn't
> give other people a pain.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Let's face it, you're a control freak. You know it. I know it. God knows it.. Well alright.

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 3:58:58 PM UTC-5, axlq wrote:
> In the confusion from misplacing things in our home due to a
> reorganization of belongings, a nearly-full Costco-sized open box
> of Cheerios was hidden under something else. Thinking it had been
> consumed, we opened a SECOND huge box when my kid announced he
> wanted Cheerios for breakfast this morning. Then we discovered the
> already-open box.
>
> Both are fresh, but there's no way we'd consume all of those Cheerios
> before they go stale, so I'm wondering if there's something creative I
> can do. These are plain Cheerios, not honey-nut or other flavor.
>
> So I look online for recipes, and find that the Cheerios website
> actually has a page devoted to this: http://www.cheerios.com/recipes
>
> Not much there looks appetizing although some look interesting. Some
> seem as if they'd taste like sawdust, like the recipe about grinding
> Cheerios into flour to make pancakes (that's just weird, they start
> out as flour, and then you grind them back down? why not just
> buy some oat flour?). The lemon squares might be good. The pork
> meatballs are interesting but not practical if the Cheerios get
> disgustingly soggy -- anything I'd make would need to have a short
> shelf-life to consume as leftovers.
>
> Has anyone done anything interesting or tasty with Cheerios?

Compost!!

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