I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.

Made the meatloaf as usual and put it in a cast iron pan. Cut up
potatoes and put them on both side. Used two of the four burners to
keep the temperature at 400 and an hour later, dinner was ready. Made
some Swiss chard to go with it.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.

Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
never heated up the room.
>
> Made the meatloaf as usual and put it in a cast iron pan. Cut up
> potatoes and put them on both side. Used two of the four burners to
> keep the temperature at 400 and an hour later, dinner was ready. Made
> some Swiss chard to go with it.

Ding, ding, ding - winner!

Suggestion for when you get tired of meatloaf sandwiches - I made a
version of caldo verde with leftover meatloaf the other day and was
thinking chard would have been great as the green, but I used what I
had (spinach).

--

sf

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:19:29 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>
>Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
>never heated up the room.

That's because you don't use it, or you're numb. Unless one installs
a flue to the outdoors, as is usual for commercial kitchens, all
electric and gas ovens vent into the room... even microwave ovens vent
into the room. The primary purpose for venting cook ovens is to
disperse moisture... otherwise your roast beef would be more like pot
roast... baked goods would be very soggy, a loaf of bread would be
more like bread pudding.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:19:29 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>
>Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
>never heated up the room.

This is a gas convection oven and it does add heat to the room. The
grill worked and added no additional load to the AC. It was already
95 degrees but comfortable inside.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:19:29 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
>>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>>
>>Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>>I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>>ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
>>never heated up the room.
>
> This is a gas convection oven and it does add heat to the room. The
> grill worked and added no additional load to the AC. It was already
> 95 degrees but comfortable inside.

My electric oven is about 12 years old and it does heat up the entire house.
Sometimes when the weather is just starting to turn cold, I'll use it to
make something just so I don't have to turn the heat on.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:19:29 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
>>>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>>>
>>>Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>>>I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>>>ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
>>>never heated up the room.
>>
>> This is a gas convection oven and it does add heat to the room. The
>> grill worked and added no additional load to the AC. It was already
>> 95 degrees but comfortable inside.
>
> My electric oven is about 12 years old and it does heat up the entire
> house. Sometimes when the weather is just starting to turn cold, I'll use
> it to make something just so I don't have to turn the heat on.

Mine is a fairly new GE wall oven and it definitely adds heat since the fan
blows hot air out for quite awhile afterwards. My old Frigidaire didn't heat
the kitchen up nearly as much.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:19:29 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I
>>>>> did
>>>>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>>>>
>>>>Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>>>>I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>>>>ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
>>>>never heated up the room.
>>>
>>> This is a gas convection oven and it does add heat to the room. The
>>> grill worked and added no additional load to the AC. It was already
>>> 95 degrees but comfortable inside.
>>
>> My electric oven is about 12 years old and it does heat up the entire
>> house. Sometimes when the weather is just starting to turn cold, I'll use
>> it to make something just so I don't have to turn the heat on.
>
> Mine is a fairly new GE wall oven and it definitely adds heat since the
> fan blows hot air out for quite awhile afterwards. My old Frigidaire
> didn't heat the kitchen up nearly as much.

I have wall ovens and the large one has a fan. Same here, It blows for a
while afterwards too.

Today I was making bread and house was very cool. I was glad of the heat
from the ovens to help rise that bread.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 7/18/2016 8:57 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:19:29 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I
>>>>> did
>>>>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>>>> I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>>>> ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
>>>> never heated up the room.
>>>
>>> This is a gas convection oven and it does add heat to the room. The
>>> grill worked and added no additional load to the AC. It was already
>>> 95 degrees but comfortable inside.
>>
>> My electric oven is about 12 years old and it does heat up the entire
>> house. Sometimes when the weather is just starting to turn cold, I'll
>> use it to make something just so I don't have to turn the heat on.
>
> Mine is a fairly new GE wall oven and it definitely adds heat since the
> fan blows hot air out for quite awhile afterwards.

That's the cooling fan for the electronics. Mine failed once during a
very high temperature bread baking session:-( Big bucks to repair the Bosch.
Graham

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> My electric oven is about 12 years old and it does heat up the entire house.
> Sometimes when the weather is just starting to turn cold, I'll use it to
> make something just so I don't have to turn the heat on.

Same here. My gas stove/oven is over 30 years old but I love it. The
oven will heat up the kitchen so I don't use it much in the summer. Like
you though, on cold days I'll use it and the heat and smell makes the
place seem warm and cozy.

I use it more in the winter but I don't ignore it in the summer. An hour
on is fine with me with the ac running.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
> > not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>
> Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
> I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
> ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
> never heated up the room.

I've often wondered about that as so many rfc posters mention not
wanting to use the oven for that reason.

Gas/electric ovens here are so insulated they just don't heat the
kitchen. Even on cool days when you might wish they did :-)

Janet UK

On 2016-07-18 8:05 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
>>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>>
>> Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>> I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>> ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
>> never heated up the room.
>
> I've often wondered about that as so many rfc posters mention not
> wanting to use the oven for that reason.
>
> Gas/electric ovens here are so insulated they just don't heat the
> kitchen. Even on cool days when you might wish they did :-)
>


Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
usually up through one of the top burners.

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:29:18 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2016-07-18 8:05 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
> >>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
> >>
> >> Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
> >> I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
> >> ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
> >> never heated up the room.
> >
> > I've often wondered about that as so many rfc posters mention not
> > wanting to use the oven for that reason.
> >
> > Gas/electric ovens here are so insulated they just don't heat the
> > kitchen. Even on cool days when you might wish they did :-)
> >
>
>
> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
> usually up through one of the top burners.
>
>
The vent for my oven on my 3 year old gas range is at the back
of the stove on the 'back splash' (that's all I could think to
call it right off the top of my head). So, yes, they do heat up
the house no matter the time of the year. And don't forget, that
oven heat escapes whenever you open the door to either check,
baste, or remove the food.

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:29:18 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > On 2016-07-18 8:05 AM, Janet wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
> > >>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
> > >>
> > >> Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
> > >> I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
> > >> ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
> > >> never heated up the room.
> > >
> > > I've often wondered about that as so many rfc posters mention not
> > > wanting to use the oven for that reason.
> > >
> > > Gas/electric ovens here are so insulated they just don't heat the
> > > kitchen. Even on cool days when you might wish they did :-)
> > >
> >
> >
> > Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
> > usually up through one of the top burners.
> >
> >
> The vent for my oven on my 3 year old gas range is at the back
> of the stove on the 'back splash' (that's all I could think to
> call it right off the top of my head). So, yes, they do heat up
> the house no matter the time of the year. And don't forget, that
> oven heat escapes whenever you open the door to either check,
> baste, or remove the food.

Thanks. I was beginning to think that the law of conservation of
matter and energy was in abeyance in the kitchens of some RFC posters.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:52:04 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:29:18 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2016-07-18 8:05 AM, Janet wrote:
>> > In article >,
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
>> >>> not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>> >>
>> >> Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
>> >> I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
>> >> ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
>> >> never heated up the room.
>> >
>> > I've often wondered about that as so many rfc posters mention not
>> > wanting to use the oven for that reason.
>> >
>> > Gas/electric ovens here are so insulated they just don't heat the
>> > kitchen. Even on cool days when you might wish they did :-)
>> >
>>
>>
>> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
>> usually up through one of the top burners.
>>
>>
>The vent for my oven on my 3 year old gas range is at the back
>of the stove on the 'back splash' (that's all I could think to
>call it right off the top of my head). So, yes, they do heat up
>the house no matter the time of the year. And don't forget, that
>oven heat escapes whenever you open the door to either check,
>baste, or remove the food.

Yes, with better quality stoves the oven is vented through the
backsplash. Wall oven vents are usually located on the front facia
just above the door opening. In commercial kitchens ovens are vented
to the outdoors, next you're at a pizza parlor you'll see the flue
pipe exiting the top of the oven and going outside. Nasturally
everytime teh oven door is opened heat escapes, that's the reason for
glass panel oven doors and also oven lights. It would be nice if home
fridges had glass panel doors too, so people wouldn't be standing
there for ten minutes perussing with the door open and then take
nothing... a lot of people have a fridge psychosis, they can't pass
the fridge without opening the door just to take inventory... some
people are very ill, they can't be on the phone in the kitchen lest
the fridge door is open the entire time... they need to be committed
to the Perishables Sanitarium and work through the Kelvinator 12 step
program.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:52:04 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
>> The vent for my oven on my 3 year old gas range is at the back
>> of the stove on the 'back splash' (that's all I could think to
>> call it right off the top of my head). So, yes, they do heat up
>> the house no matter the time of the year. And don't forget, that
>> oven heat escapes whenever you open the door to either check,
>> baste, or remove the food.
>
> Some ovens and vent hoods vent to the outside. Either by homeowner
> request or it's mandatory as part of the building code depending on
> where you live.
>
> Apparently there's a lot of pollution that is generated by gas stoves
> and ovens, particularly. Like formaldehyde. And all that stuff is
> just accumulating in the house when you cook.
>
> -sw

When I got the new hood vent, Mr. Handyman and I thought it did not vent to
the outside. But after he finally managed to get the old one off, he
realized that it actually did. Oops! He bought the wrong one. Not a big
deal. He said it would still work and I had him install it. I actually
rarely use it anyway. I hardly ever fry or burn things. If I do, I just open
the kitchen door for a little while.

He put it in about 2-3 years ago and the filter is still clean looking. I
think frying does the most damage to them. One reason he couldn't get the
old one off was that it was so greasy, that it was partially stuck on by
grease. They also used screws that were about 6" long. What a joke! He said
the way they installed it made no sense whatever.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:30:30 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
> usually up through one of the top burners.
>
The vent doesn't release any appreciable heat.

--

sf

On 2016-07-18 2:34 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:30:30 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
>> usually up through one of the top burners.
>>
> The vent doesn't release any appreciable heat.

I beg to differ. I have made the mistake of leaving things on the burner
(turned off) with the vent and they get quite warm.

>

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:30:30 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> Stoves here are well insulated too, but they are vented. The vent is
>> usually up through one of the top burners.
>>
> The vent doesn't release any appreciable heat.

The vent on my stove sure does.

Janet wrote:
>
>Gas/electric ovens here are so insulated they just don't heat the
>kitchen. Even on cool days when you might wish they did :-)
>
> Janet UK

The heat is not through the oven walls, it's through the oven vent...
if your's isn't vented then you were screwed, you weren't sold an
oven, you were sold a pressure cooker.

On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 2:19:29 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:26:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > I was in the mood for meatloaf tonight, but at 95 degrees outside I did
> > not want to use the oven. Cooked it on the grill.
>
> Interesting that you said you didn't want to use the oven. From what
> I've been told, modern gas ovens don't heat up the room like the gas
> ovens of old did. Just an FYI: my "older than dirt" electric oven has
> never heated up the room.

My electric oven will put out a good amount of heat alright. If the oven housing is hot, it's heating up the room. Oddly enough, it's not that noticeable in this condo. Gas ovens will also radiate heat but what most people find unpleasant is the large amount of water vapor that gets released when natural gas or propane is burned. Under high humidity conditions, like 70% or 80% in the tropics, this get stifling pretty fast. The water vapor condenses on your skin releasing latent heat. Like they say, it ain't the heat - it's the humidity.

OTOH, under low humidity conditions, a gas oven can be quite warming and friendly.

> >
> > Made the meatloaf as usual and put it in a cast iron pan. Cut up
> > potatoes and put them on both side. Used two of the four burners to
> > keep the temperature at 400 and an hour later, dinner was ready. Made
> > some Swiss chard to go with it.
>
> Ding, ding, ding - winner!
>
> Suggestion for when you get tired of meatloaf sandwiches - I made a
> version of caldo verde with leftover meatloaf the other day and was
> thinking chard would have been great as the green, but I used what I
> had (spinach).
>
> --
>
> sf

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:41:07 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> Gas ovens will also radiate heat but what most people find unpleasant is the large amount of water vapor that gets released when natural gas or propane is burned. Under high humidity conditions, like 70% or 80% in the tropics, this get stifling pretty fast. The water vapor condenses on your skin releasing latent heat. Like they say, it ain't the heat - it's the humidity.
>
>
My kitchen faces west and yes, in the summer that gas stove can
really put out the heat. Even with central air it can be
rather uncomfortable in there. Fan sitting in the laundry room
and directed toward the kitchen seems to help a good bit. Unless
it is something very large I tend to use an electric countertop
convection oven for baked items.

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:30:31 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:41:07 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Gas ovens will also radiate heat but what most people find unpleasant is the large amount of water vapor that gets released when natural gas or propane is burned. Under high humidity conditions, like 70% or 80% in the tropics, this get stifling pretty fast. The water vapor condenses on your skin releasing latent heat. Like they say, it ain't the heat - it's the humidity.
> >
> >
> My kitchen faces west and yes, in the summer that gas stove can
> really put out the heat. Even with central air it can be
> rather uncomfortable in there. Fan sitting in the laundry room
> and directed toward the kitchen seems to help a good bit. Unless
> it is something very large I tend to use an electric countertop
> convection oven for baked items.

I grew up in an all gas kitchen in the tropics. What a hellhole! I don't really feel the heat in my kitchen these days. The induction range makes cooking more pleasant by not radiating heat. Thank you Jesus!

I don't like using the oven to bake single items. It seems kind of inefficient. One of those small convection ovens would suit me just fine. I'll use a toaster oven to bake small batches of muffins or pizza. It works okey dokey. I figure I save maybe a quarter in electricity.

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 3:20:17 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:30:31 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>
> > Unless
> > it is something very large I tend to use an electric countertop
> > convection oven for baked items.
>
> I grew up in an all gas kitchen in the tropics. What a hellhole! I don't really feel the heat in my kitchen these days. The induction range makes cooking more pleasant by not radiating heat. Thank you Jesus!
>
> One of those small convection ovens would suit me just fine. I'll use a toaster oven to bake small batches of muffins or pizza. It works okey dokey. I figure I save maybe a quarter in electricity.
>
>
I had a smaller convection oven but recently purchased a B&D
large capacity model. It will accommodate a 9x13 pan, with
handles, with ease and also cook a 12 inch pizza with room to
spare. Quite pleased with this model at $60 from Wal Mart.

Hamilton Beach also has a large capacity model that will
take a 9x13 vessel BUT that pan cannot have any sort of
handles. About the same price as the B&D. The B&D also
comes in a digital model for about $95.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:30:31 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:41:07 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Gas ovens will also radiate heat but what most people find unpleasant is
> > the large amount of water vapor that gets released when natural gas or
> > propane is burned. Under high humidity conditions, like 70% or 80% in
> > the tropics, this get stifling pretty fast. The water vapor condenses on
> > your skin releasing latent heat. Like they say, it ain't the heat - it's
> > the humidity.
> >
> >
> My kitchen faces west and yes, in the summer that gas stove can
> really put out the heat. Even with central air it can be
> rather uncomfortable in there. Fan sitting in the laundry room
> and directed toward the kitchen seems to help a good bit. Unless
> it is something very large I tend to use an electric countertop
> convection oven for baked items.

I grew up in an all gas kitchen in the tropics. What a hellhole! I don't
really feel the heat in my kitchen these days. The induction range makes
cooking more pleasant by not radiating heat. Thank you Jesus!

I don't like using the oven to bake single items. It seems kind of
inefficient. One of those small convection ovens would suit me just fine.
I'll use a toaster oven to bake small batches of muffins or pizza. It works
okey dokey. I figure I save maybe a quarter in electricity.

---

We had a gas stove on Cape Cod. I had constant trouble with it during the
summer. Pilot light was always going out. They said it was due to the
humidity. Stove was not user friendly as there was no way I could light it.
Had to wait for the maintenance man to come. I could light the burners with
a match. So I learned to do a lot of stuff on the burner or in the
Crock-Pot.