On Monday, 18 July 2016 10:04:03 UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
> "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Sunday, 17 July 2016 14:28:39 UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>
>
> > Those are quite contrasting experiences there. I like the sound of
> > those sandwiches. I *especially* like the idea of no generic fast food
> > places contaminating the place, and much of contemporary western
> > culture, for that matter.
>
>
> Ya gotta love a snotty statement like this, declaring that a place should
> remain dirt poor, just so rich foreigners like himself can keep the place to
> themselves. Some think that Cuba should remain some sort of closed
> "socialist Disneyland", unsullied by modernity. Pretty shameful...
>
> I've got news for ya: the ordinary Cuban cannot *wait* until "generic fast
> food" and other manifestations of "contemporary western culture" appear,
> they will be celebrating.
>
> Believe or not, ordinary Cubans desire things such as modern retail,
> internet, reliable sewerage and electricity, refrigeration and air
> conditioning, etc. There is no reason they should remain "quaint natives"
> just for the sake of rich First World tourists...
>
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
>
> ==========
>
> +1


I'm just badgering our Canadian friends a bit, no harm intended ;-)

But this attitude that Americans/western culture/chain restos/whatever is going to "damage" Cuban culture is sheer nonsense. Just because chain dining or whatever gets established doesn't mean that visitors to Cuba will be forced to eat at McD's, it's simply another option...

In the early 90's there was this sort of disdainful and condescending attitude the opening up of the former Communist states in Eastern/Central Europe, e.g., "Hurry up and see Prague/Warsaw/Moscow/wherever before the AMERICANS and MCDONALD's comes in to SPOIL everything...!!!"

Lemme tell, some Czech acquaintances mentioned that they were THRILLED when McD's, and Marks & Spencer, Tesco, IKEA, and other western chains opened up in their country. For them, it meant that they'd "arrived"...same is/will happen with the Cubans.

IIRC some tens of thousands of Muscovites lined up on the opening day of the first McDonald's in Moscow. And IIRC that location is the single busiest McD's in the world...

I can't stomach McD's, but I'm just sayin'... if all you've got to do is slag on fast food as a symbol that a country is forever "ruined", then you've a fairly **** - poor "argument".

North Korea is just about the only place left that is fairly devoid of "western influence", and that will eventually change, too. So visit there if what you're looking for is an unspoiled Third World/Communist "theme park' of a place.


--
Best
Greg

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 6:58:17 AM UTC-10, The Greatest! wrote:
> On Monday, 18 July 2016 10:04:03 UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
> > "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > On Sunday, 17 July 2016 14:28:39 UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Those are quite contrasting experiences there. I like the sound of
> > > those sandwiches. I *especially* like the idea of no generic fast food
> > > places contaminating the place, and much of contemporary western
> > > culture, for that matter.
> >
> >
> > Ya gotta love a snotty statement like this, declaring that a place should
> > remain dirt poor, just so rich foreigners like himself can keep the place to
> > themselves. Some think that Cuba should remain some sort of closed
> > "socialist Disneyland", unsullied by modernity. Pretty shameful...
> >
> > I've got news for ya: the ordinary Cuban cannot *wait* until "generic fast
> > food" and other manifestations of "contemporary western culture" appear,
> > they will be celebrating.
> >
> > Believe or not, ordinary Cubans desire things such as modern retail,
> > internet, reliable sewerage and electricity, refrigeration and air
> > conditioning, etc. There is no reason they should remain "quaint natives"
> > just for the sake of rich First World tourists...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best
> > Greg
> >
> > ==========
> >
> > +1
>
>
> I'm just badgering our Canadian friends a bit, no harm intended ;-)
>
> But this attitude that Americans/western culture/chain restos/whatever is going to "damage" Cuban culture is sheer nonsense. Just because chain dining or whatever gets established doesn't mean that visitors to Cuba will be forced to eat at McD's, it's simply another option...
>
> In the early 90's there was this sort of disdainful and condescending attitude the opening up of the former Communist states in Eastern/Central Europe, e.g., "Hurry up and see Prague/Warsaw/Moscow/wherever before the AMERICANS and MCDONALD's comes in to SPOIL everything...!!!"
>
> Lemme tell, some Czech acquaintances mentioned that they were THRILLED when McD's, and Marks & Spencer, Tesco, IKEA, and other western chains opened up in their country. For them, it meant that they'd "arrived"...same is/will happen with the Cubans.
>
> IIRC some tens of thousands of Muscovites lined up on the opening day of the first McDonald's in Moscow. And IIRC that location is the single busiest McD's in the world...
>
> I can't stomach McD's, but I'm just sayin'... if all you've got to do is slag on fast food as a symbol that a country is forever "ruined", then you've a fairly **** - poor "argument".
>
> North Korea is just about the only place left that is fairly devoid of "western influence", and that will eventually change, too. So visit there if what you're looking for is an unspoiled Third World/Communist "theme park' of a place.
>
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could freeze it in the late 50's. Some Americans would like this to be 1950's America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out of that time zone.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 6:58:17 AM UTC-10, The Greatest! wrote:
> > On Monday, 18 July 2016 10:04:03 UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
> > > "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > On Sunday, 17 July 2016 14:28:39 UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Those are quite contrasting experiences there. I like the sound of
> > > > those sandwiches. I *especially* like the idea of no generic fast food
> > > > places contaminating the place, and much of contemporary western
> > > > culture, for that matter.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ya gotta love a snotty statement like this, declaring that a place should
> > > remain dirt poor, just so rich foreigners like himself can keep the place to
> > > themselves. Some think that Cuba should remain some sort of closed
> > > "socialist Disneyland", unsullied by modernity. Pretty shameful...
> > >
> > > I've got news for ya: the ordinary Cuban cannot *wait* until "generic fast
> > > food" and other manifestations of "contemporary western culture" appear,
> > > they will be celebrating.
> > >
> > > Believe or not, ordinary Cubans desire things such as modern retail,
> > > internet, reliable sewerage and electricity, refrigeration and air
> > > conditioning, etc. There is no reason they should remain "quaint natives"
> > > just for the sake of rich First World tourists...
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > ==========
> > >
> > > +1
> >
> >
> > I'm just badgering our Canadian friends a bit, no harm intended ;-)
> >
> > But this attitude that Americans/western culture/chain restos/whatever is going to "damage" Cuban culture is sheer nonsense. Just because chain dining or whatever gets established doesn't mean that visitors to Cuba will be forced to eat at McD's, it's simply another option...
> >
> > In the early 90's there was this sort of disdainful and condescending attitude the opening up of the former Communist states in Eastern/Central Europe, e.g., "Hurry up and see Prague/Warsaw/Moscow/wherever before the AMERICANS and MCDONALD's comes in to SPOIL everything...!!!"
> >
> > Lemme tell, some Czech acquaintances mentioned that they were THRILLED when McD's, and Marks & Spencer, Tesco, IKEA, and other western chains opened up in their country. For them, it meant that they'd "arrived"...same is/will happen with the Cubans.
> >
> > IIRC some tens of thousands of Muscovites lined up on the opening day of the first McDonald's in Moscow. And IIRC that location is the single busiest McD's in the world...
> >
> > I can't stomach McD's, but I'm just sayin'... if all you've got to do is slag on fast food as a symbol that a country is forever "ruined", then you've a fairly **** - poor "argument".
> >
> > North Korea is just about the only place left that is fairly devoid of "western influence", and that will eventually change, too. So visit there if what you're looking for is an unspoiled Third World/Communist "theme park' of a place.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best
> > Greg
>
> It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could freeze it in the late 50's.


During the time when Cuba depended on the Soviet Bloc, they imported plenty of East German refrigerators, Czech machine tools, Soviet cars, they built socialist - style high rise flats, etc...but of course there is more nostalgia for old US brands like Kelvinator and Plymouth and Admiral and for old mafia - built hotels such as the Capri, and the like....kind of "we choose what we choose to see" ;-)

Also, Cuba invested a lot of money in "social capital", such as education, medical care, and the like, and their physical infrastructure has essentially gone to hell...no money.

Some Americans would like this to be 1950's America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out of that time zone.


Yup...EXACTLY...


--
Best
Greg

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:43:47 AM UTC-10, The Greatest! wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 6:58:17 AM UTC-10, The Greatest! wrote:
> > > On Monday, 18 July 2016 10:04:03 UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
> > > > "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > On Sunday, 17 July 2016 14:28:39 UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Those are quite contrasting experiences there. I like the sound of
> > > > > those sandwiches. I *especially* like the idea of no generic fast food
> > > > > places contaminating the place, and much of contemporary western
> > > > > culture, for that matter.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ya gotta love a snotty statement like this, declaring that a place should
> > > > remain dirt poor, just so rich foreigners like himself can keep the place to
> > > > themselves. Some think that Cuba should remain some sort of closed
> > > > "socialist Disneyland", unsullied by modernity. Pretty shameful...
> > > >
> > > > I've got news for ya: the ordinary Cuban cannot *wait* until "generic fast
> > > > food" and other manifestations of "contemporary western culture" appear,
> > > > they will be celebrating.
> > > >
> > > > Believe or not, ordinary Cubans desire things such as modern retail,
> > > > internet, reliable sewerage and electricity, refrigeration and air
> > > > conditioning, etc. There is no reason they should remain "quaint natives"
> > > > just for the sake of rich First World tourists...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > ==========
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm just badgering our Canadian friends a bit, no harm intended ;-)
> > >
> > > But this attitude that Americans/western culture/chain restos/whatever is going to "damage" Cuban culture is sheer nonsense. Just because chain dining or whatever gets established doesn't mean that visitors to Cuba will be forced to eat at McD's, it's simply another option...
> > >
> > > In the early 90's there was this sort of disdainful and condescending attitude the opening up of the former Communist states in Eastern/Central Europe, e.g., "Hurry up and see Prague/Warsaw/Moscow/wherever before the AMERICANS and MCDONALD's comes in to SPOIL everything...!!!"
> > >
> > > Lemme tell, some Czech acquaintances mentioned that they were THRILLED when McD's, and Marks & Spencer, Tesco, IKEA, and other western chains opened up in their country. For them, it meant that they'd "arrived"...same is/will happen with the Cubans.
> > >
> > > IIRC some tens of thousands of Muscovites lined up on the opening day of the first McDonald's in Moscow. And IIRC that location is the single busiest McD's in the world...
> > >
> > > I can't stomach McD's, but I'm just sayin'... if all you've got to do is slag on fast food as a symbol that a country is forever "ruined", then you've a fairly **** - poor "argument".
> > >
> > > North Korea is just about the only place left that is fairly devoid of "western influence", and that will eventually change, too. So visit there if what you're looking for is an unspoiled Third World/Communist "theme park' of a place.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best
> > > Greg
> >
> > It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could freeze it in the late 50's.
>
>
> During the time when Cuba depended on the Soviet Bloc, they imported plenty of East German refrigerators, Czech machine tools, Soviet cars, they built socialist - style high rise flats, etc...but of course there is more nostalgia for old US brands like Kelvinator and Plymouth and Admiral and for old mafia - built hotels such as the Capri, and the like....kind of "we choose what we choose to see" ;-)
>
> Also, Cuba invested a lot of money in "social capital", such as education, medical care, and the like, and their physical infrastructure has essentially gone to hell...no money.
>
> Some Americans would like this to be 1950's America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out of that time zone.
>
>
> Yup...EXACTLY...
>
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

Actually, I wouldn't mind being back in the 60's - but only if I was 17.

On 7/18/2016 5:03 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> Actually, I wouldn't mind being back in the 60's - but only if I was 17.
>

I was 17 in 1962-63. No real desire to go back. Let me know if you go
though, I'll give you the keys to my '53 Mercury.

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:07:39 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 5:03 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > Actually, I wouldn't mind being back in the 60's - but only if I was 17.
> >
>
> I was 17 in 1962-63. No real desire to go back. Let me know if you go
> though, I'll give you the keys to my '53 Mercury.

Is it parked in Havana?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAJQty1WpgY

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:07:39 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/18/2016 5:03 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Actually, I wouldn't mind being back in the 60's - but only if I was
>> > 17.
>> >
>>
>> I was 17 in 1962-63. No real desire to go back. Let me know if you go
>> though, I'll give you the keys to my '53 Mercury.
>
> Is it parked in Havana?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAJQty1WpgY

Thanks for posting that. I see it was published in 2013 but was it current
then, I mean is that the way it is now?

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 7/18/2016 8:07 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 5:03 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> Actually, I wouldn't mind being back in the 60's - but only if I was
>> 17.
>>
>
> I was 17 in 1962-63. No real desire to go back. Let me know if you go
> though, I'll give you the keys to my '53 Mercury.

But Ed, it's not a self-driving car! LOL

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:43:47 AM UTC-10, The Greatest! wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 6:58:17 AM UTC-10, The Greatest! wrote:
> > > > On Monday, 18 July 2016 10:04:03 UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
> > > > > "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > On Sunday, 17 July 2016 14:28:39 UTC-5, Jeþus wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Those are quite contrasting experiences there. I like the sound of
> > > > > > those sandwiches. I *especially* like the idea of no generic fast food
> > > > > > places contaminating the place, and much of contemporary western
> > > > > > culture, for that matter.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ya gotta love a snotty statement like this, declaring that a place should
> > > > > remain dirt poor, just so rich foreigners like himself can keep the place to
> > > > > themselves. Some think that Cuba should remain some sort of closed
> > > > > "socialist Disneyland", unsullied by modernity. Pretty shameful...
> > > > >
> > > > > I've got news for ya: the ordinary Cuban cannot *wait* until "generic fast
> > > > > food" and other manifestations of "contemporary western culture" appear,
> > > > > they will be celebrating.
> > > > >
> > > > > Believe or not, ordinary Cubans desire things such as modern retail,
> > > > > internet, reliable sewerage and electricity, refrigeration and air
> > > > > conditioning, etc. There is no reason they should remain "quaint natives"
> > > > > just for the sake of rich First World tourists...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > ==========
> > > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm just badgering our Canadian friends a bit, no harm intended ;-)
> > > >
> > > > But this attitude that Americans/western culture/chain restos/whatever is going to "damage" Cuban culture is sheer nonsense. Just because chain dining or whatever gets established doesn't mean that visitors to Cuba will be forced to eat at McD's, it's simply another option...
> > > >
> > > > In the early 90's there was this sort of disdainful and condescending attitude the opening up of the former Communist states in Eastern/Central Europe, e.g., "Hurry up and see Prague/Warsaw/Moscow/wherever before the AMERICANS and MCDONALD's comes in to SPOIL everything...!!!"
> > > >
> > > > Lemme tell, some Czech acquaintances mentioned that they were THRILLED when McD's, and Marks & Spencer, Tesco, IKEA, and other western chains opened up in their country. For them, it meant that they'd "arrived"...same is/will happen with the Cubans.
> > > >
> > > > IIRC some tens of thousands of Muscovites lined up on the opening day of the first McDonald's in Moscow. And IIRC that location is the single busiest McD's in the world...
> > > >
> > > > I can't stomach McD's, but I'm just sayin'... if all you've got to do is slag on fast food as a symbol that a country is forever "ruined", then you've a fairly **** - poor "argument".
> > > >
> > > > North Korea is just about the only place left that is fairly devoid of "western influence", and that will eventually change, too. So visit there if what you're looking for is an unspoiled Third World/Communist "theme park' of a place.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best
> > > > Greg
> > >
> > > It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could freeze it in the late 50's.
> >
> >
> > During the time when Cuba depended on the Soviet Bloc, they imported plenty of East German refrigerators, Czech machine tools, Soviet cars, they built socialist - style high rise flats, etc...but of course there is more nostalgia for old US brands like Kelvinator and Plymouth and Admiral and for old mafia - built hotels such as the Capri, and the like....kind of "we choose what we choose to see" ;-)
> >
> > Also, Cuba invested a lot of money in "social capital", such as education, medical care, and the like, and their physical infrastructure has essentially gone to hell...no money.
> >
> > Some Americans would like this to be 1950's America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out of that time zone.
> >
> >
> > Yup...EXACTLY...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best
> > Greg
>
> Actually, I wouldn't mind being back in the 60's - but only if I was 17.

I'd hate to be 17 again; adulthood is much more fun.

Janet UK

Janet wrote:
>
> I'd hate to be 17 again; adulthood is much more fun.

I would go for age 17 again. That's when my good life started and I
would do some things differently but even if not - that was a good time
and all time afterwards.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Janet wrote:
>>
>> I'd hate to be 17 again; adulthood is much more fun.
>
> I would go for age 17 again. That's when my good life started and I
> would do some things differently but even if not - that was a good time
> and all time afterwards.

You and me both, and just think of how much we would know if we were that
age again, hunt up Bill Gates and invest in his start up when it happens for
one.

Cheri

On 7/19/2016 11:25 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:43:47 AM UTC-10, The Greatest! wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 6:58:17 AM UTC-10, The Greatest! wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 18 July 2016 10:04:03 UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>> "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Sunday, 17 July 2016 14:28:39 UTC-5, Jeþus wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those are quite contrasting experiences there. I like the sound of
>>>>>>> those sandwiches. I *especially* like the idea of no generic fast food
>>>>>>> places contaminating the place, and much of contemporary western
>>>>>>> culture, for that matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ya gotta love a snotty statement like this, declaring that a place should
>>>>>> remain dirt poor, just so rich foreigners like himself can keep the place to
>>>>>> themselves. Some think that Cuba should remain some sort of closed
>>>>>> "socialist Disneyland", unsullied by modernity. Pretty shameful...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got news for ya: the ordinary Cuban cannot *wait* until "generic fast
>>>>>> food" and other manifestations of "contemporary western culture" appear,
>>>>>> they will be celebrating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Believe or not, ordinary Cubans desire things such as modern retail,
>>>>>> internet, reliable sewerage and electricity, refrigeration and air
>>>>>> conditioning, etc. There is no reason they should remain "quaint natives"
>>>>>> just for the sake of rich First World tourists...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just badgering our Canadian friends a bit, no harm intended ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> But this attitude that Americans/western culture/chain restos/whatever is going to "damage" Cuban culture is sheer nonsense. Just because chain dining or whatever gets established doesn't mean that visitors to Cuba will be forced to eat at McD's, it's simply another option...
>>>>>
>>>>> In the early 90's there was this sort of disdainful and condescending attitude the opening up of the former Communist states in Eastern/Central Europe, e.g., "Hurry up and see Prague/Warsaw/Moscow/wherever before the AMERICANS and MCDONALD's comes in to SPOIL everything...!!!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Lemme tell, some Czech acquaintances mentioned that they were THRILLED when McD's, and Marks & Spencer, Tesco, IKEA, and other western chains opened up in their country. For them, it meant that they'd "arrived"...same is/will happen with the Cubans.
>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC some tens of thousands of Muscovites lined up on the opening day of the first McDonald's in Moscow. And IIRC that location is the single busiest McD's in the world...
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't stomach McD's, but I'm just sayin'... if all you've got to do is slag on fast food as a symbol that a country is forever "ruined", then you've a fairly **** - poor "argument".
>>>>>
>>>>> North Korea is just about the only place left that is fairly devoid of "western influence", and that will eventually change, too. So visit there if what you're looking for is an unspoiled Third World/Communist "theme park' of a place.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>> It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could freeze it in the late 50's.
>>>
>>>
>>> During the time when Cuba depended on the Soviet Bloc, they imported plenty of East German refrigerators, Czech machine tools, Soviet cars, they built socialist - style high rise flats, etc...but of course there is more nostalgia for old US brands like Kelvinator and Plymouth and Admiral and for old mafia - built hotels such as the Capri, and the like....kind of "we choose what we choose to see" ;-)
>>>
>>> Also, Cuba invested a lot of money in "social capital", such as education, medical care, and the like, and their physical infrastructure has essentially gone to hell...no money.
>>>
>>> Some Americans would like this to be 1950's America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out of that time zone.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yup...EXACTLY...
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best
>>> Greg
>>
>> Actually, I wouldn't mind being back in the 60's - but only if I was 17.
>
> I'd hate to be 17 again; adulthood is much more fun.
>
> Janet UK
>
21 would be better, then at least I would not have to write any more exams!
Graham

On 2016-07-18 1:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could
> freeze it in the late 50's. Some Americans would like this to be
> 1950's America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the
> hell out of that time zone.
>

But who wants to mess with the Cuban community in Florida, many of who
are mobsters in exile. Look what happened to JFK when he let them down.

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:07:14 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-07-18 1:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could
> > freeze it in the late 50's. Some Americans would like this to be
> > 1950's America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the
> > hell out of that time zone.
> >
>
> But who wants to mess with the Cuban community in Florida, many of who
> are mobsters in exile. Look what happened to JFK when he let them down.

I believe you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiFX0rYoCrU

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could freeze it in the late 50's. Some Americans would like this to be 1950's America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out of that time zone.

You just gave me an idea! We can trade them our "back to the '50's"
people for the Cubans who want to leave the '50's. Think we could
seal that deal?

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could
>> freeze it in the late 50's. Some Americans would like this to be 1950's
>> America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out
>> of that time zone.
>
> You just gave me an idea! We can trade them our "back to the '50's"
> people for the Cubans who want to leave the '50's. Think we could
> seal that deal?
>
> --
>
> sf

Nah, most of the back to the 50's people don't speak Spanish, and don't want
to learn. :-)

Cheri

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:37:55 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could
> >> freeze it in the late 50's. Some Americans would like this to be 1950's
> >> America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out
> >> of that time zone.
> >
> > You just gave me an idea! We can trade them our "back to the '50's"
> > people for the Cubans who want to leave the '50's. Think we could
> > seal that deal?
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> Nah, most of the back to the 50's people don't speak Spanish, and don't want
> to learn. :-)
>
Isn't that the way most ex-pats are anyway? They socialize with other
English speakers, don't learn the language and ignore locals other
than to employ them as servants.

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sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:37:55 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could
>> >> freeze it in the late 50's. Some Americans would like this to be
>> >> 1950's
>> >> America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell
>> >> out
>> >> of that time zone.
>> >
>> > You just gave me an idea! We can trade them our "back to the '50's"
>> > people for the Cubans who want to leave the '50's. Think we could
>> > seal that deal?
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > sf
>>
>> Nah, most of the back to the 50's people don't speak Spanish, and don't
>> want
>> to learn. :-)
>>
> Isn't that the way most ex-pats are anyway? They socialize with other
> English speakers, don't learn the language and ignore locals other
> than to employ them as servants.
>
> --
>
> sf

Pretty true there.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could
>> freeze it in the late 50's. Some Americans would like this to be 1950's
>> America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out
>> of that time zone.
>
> You just gave me an idea! We can trade them our "back to the '50's"
> people for the Cubans who want to leave the '50's. Think we could
> seal that deal?

Heh. I can see liking that style of decor or dress or the like but those
people take things too far.

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:32:05 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsim>
> wrote:
>
> > It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could freeze it in the late 50's. Some Americans would like this to be 1950's America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out of that time zone.
>
> You just gave me an idea! We can trade them our "back to the '50's"
> people for the Cubans who want to leave the '50's. Think we could
> seal that deal?
>
> --
>
> sf

Cuba could give Hawaii some competition for the touristias' dinero - especially for East-coast travellers. They should just turn the place into Hawaii during the early 60's. That would be too cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJK2LwD_nEY

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:32:05 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsim>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > It's an odd thing that a simple embargo of a country by the US could
>> > freeze it in the late 50's. Some Americans would like this to be 1950's
>> > America but my guess is that most Cubans would like to get the hell out
>> > of that time zone.
>>
>> You just gave me an idea! We can trade them our "back to the '50's"
>> people for the Cubans who want to leave the '50's. Think we could
>> seal that deal?
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> Cuba could give Hawaii some competition for the touristias' dinero -
> especially for East-coast travellers. They should just turn the place into
> Hawaii during the early 60's. That would be too cool.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJK2LwD_nEY

Beautiful

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On 7/18/2016 12:58 PM, The Greatest! wrote:

> I can't stomach McD's, but I'm just sayin'... if all you've got to do is slag on fast food as a symbol that a country is forever "ruined", then you've a fairly **** - poor "argument".
>

I've been to other countries that have great food, historic
architecture, rich history and everything that goes with visiting other
cultures. We did, however, stop at McDonalds because the offer
something often hard to find in other countries: clean, free restrooms.
We were happy to see them.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 7/18/2016 12:58 PM, The Greatest! wrote:
>
> > I can't stomach McD's, but I'm just sayin'... if all you've got to do is slag on fast food as a symbol that a country is forever "ruined", then you've a fairly **** - poor "argument".
> >
>
> I've been to other countries that have great food, historic
> architecture, rich history and everything that goes with visiting other
> cultures. We did, however, stop at McDonalds because the offer
> something often hard to find in other countries: clean, free restrooms.
> We were happy to see them.

That makes one wonder what kind of joints you go to in those other
countries.