On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> SCP

That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!

John Kuthe...

In article >,
says...
>
> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> > I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> > WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> > insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> > hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> > 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> > please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > SCP
>
> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!

Weren't you supposed to put the pot on the pilot flame in the old days,
so you get some heat, but you don't boil the water or the coffee?

On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> > I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> > WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> > insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> > hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> > 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> > please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > SCP
>
> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>
> John Kuthe...

This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.

On Sun, 8 May 2016 21:54:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>> > I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>> > WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>> > insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>> > hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>> > 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>> > please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > SCP
>>
>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.

A drip coffee maker brews exactly the same as a modern ADC only it's
manual, which means you need to heat the water separately and pour it
yourself. The dripolators made the best coffee, only problem is they
were PIA to clean so it's advisable to use a paper filter in the
coffee grounds basket... ordinary ADC paper filters work just fine. My
parents had several, different brands/sizes... yes, they had a couple
of Wearever drips... and no, they do not boil the water.
Good explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4ncWWqjno

On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> SCP
>>
>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>

even percolators don't boil the water.

On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 10:54:06 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> > > I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> > > WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> > > insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> > > hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> > > 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> > > please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > SCP
> >
> > That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>
> Weren't you supposed to put the pot on the pilot flame in the old days,
> so you get some heat, but you don't boil the water or the coffee?

No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling it!! :-(

John Kuthe...

On 5/9/2016 9:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling it!! :-(
>
> John Kuthe...

Get a hold of yourself man!

Be glad it wasn't done in China...

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:27:38 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 8 May 2016 21:54:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> >> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> >> > I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> >> > WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> >> > insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> >> > hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> >> > 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> >> > please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > SCP
> >>
> >> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> >>
> >> John Kuthe...
> >
> >This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>
> A drip coffee maker brews exactly the same as a modern ADC only it's
> manual, which means you need to heat the water separately and pour it
> yourself. The dripolators made the best coffee, only problem is they
> were PIA to clean so it's advisable to use a paper filter in the
> coffee grounds basket... ordinary ADC paper filters work just fine. My
> parents had several, different brands/sizes... yes, they had a couple
> of Wearever drips... and no, they do not boil the water.
> Good explanation:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4ncWWqjno

Aha! A reasonably good video of how those Dripolators work! Same basic principle as French Presses, etc. Put just boiled water into and on top of a pile of coffee grounds and let it drip through them extracting all the yummy coffee goodness!! :-) Of course my Mr Coffee drip coffee maker does the same basic thing!

John Kuthe...

On 5/9/2016 9:26 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Of course my Mr Coffee drip coffee maker does the same basic thing!
>
> John Kuthe...


But it was made in CHINA!!!

Taxed and Spent wrote:
>dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> SCP
>>>
>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>
>even percolators don't boil the water.

Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
perk.

On Mon, 9 May 2016 08:21:15 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 10:54:06 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>> > > I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>> > > WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>> > > insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>> > > hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>> > > 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>> > > please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > SCP
>> >
>> > That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>
>> Weren't you supposed to put the pot on the pilot flame in the old days,
>> so you get some heat, but you don't boil the water or the coffee?

Nope. But drips were pre nuke so often cold coffee was reheated on
the stove top but not boiled unless you forgot about it... was wise to
leave the lid off and stand by to watch for the first simmer bubbles
at the edge.

>No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling it!! :-(
>
>John Kuthe...

He's tawkin' drip, not perk... very different animals.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:31:57 AM UTC-5, Biz Cochito wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 9:26 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > Of course my Mr Coffee drip coffee maker does the same basic thing!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
>
> But it was made in CHINA!!!

I know. Most stuff is these days. A disgusting Truth!! I should have gotten a Bunn coffee maker, they are still made in the U.S.!

John Kuthe...

On 5/9/2016 9:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> SCP
>>>>
>>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>
>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>
> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
> perk.
>

wrong. do some research.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:06:33 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >dsi1 wrote:
> >> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> >>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> >>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> >>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> >>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> >>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> >>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> >>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> SCP
> >>>
> >>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe...
> >>
> >> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
> >
> >even percolators don't boil the water.
>
> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
> perk.

It starts boiling as 100% water but as soon as any coffee leaches out gets into the mix, you are boiling the coffee! In Differential Equations that's called a Well Mixed problem.

John Kuthe...

On 5/9/2016 10:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:


>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along.
>>> Nothing to see here.
>>
>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>
> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
> perk.
>
+1

On 5/9/2016 10:16 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>>>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making
>>>>> rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry
>>>>> a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No
>>>> violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>
>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>
>> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
>> perk.
>>
>
> wrong. do some research.

To perk it must boil.

http://www.howtobrewcoffee.com/percolator.htm

The percolator consists of a pot with a chamber at the bottom, closest
to the source of heat. A vertical tube leads from this chamber to the
top of the percolator. Just below the upper end of this tube is a
perforated chamber. The grounds go in the top chamber, water in the
bottom. When the water boils, it travels up the tube, over the grounds,
cooling the water, then back down to the bottom chamber to cycle again.

On 5/9/2016 10:17 AM, John Kuthe wrote:


>> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
>> perk.
>
> It starts boiling as 100% water but as soon as any coffee leaches out gets into the mix, you are
> boiling the coffee! In Differential Equations that's called a Well Mixed problem.
>
> John Kuthe...
>

http://www.howtobrewcoffee.com/percolator.htm

The percolator consists of a pot with a chamber at the bottom, closest
to the source of heat. A vertical tube leads from this chamber to the
top of the percolator. Just below the upper end of this tube is a
perforated chamber. The grounds go in the top chamber, water in the
bottom. When the water boils, it travels up the tube, over the grounds,
cooling the water, then back down to the bottom chamber to cycle again.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> >> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> >>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> >>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> >>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> >>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> >>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> >>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> SCP
> >>
> >> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> >>
> >> John Kuthe...
> >
> > This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
> >
>
> even percolators don't boil the water.

I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.

If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.

All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.

On 5/9/2016 9:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> SCP
>>>>
>>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>
>>
>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>
> I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
>
> If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
>
> All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.
>

your instinct is correct:

The heat source under the percolator (such as a range or stove) heats
the water in the bottom chamber. Water at the very bottom of the chamber
gets hot first and starts to boil. The boiling makes bubbles rise up and
push water up the vertical tube then out the top of the vertical tube.
From the top of the tube, the water flows out and over the lid of the
coffee chamber. Perforations in the lid distribute the water over the
top of the coffee grounds. The water then seeps through the coffee
grounds then through the bottom of the coffee chamber. From the bottom
of the coffee chamber, the water drops onto the colder water at the top
of the bottom chamber, helping to force water up the tube. This whole
cycle repeats continuously.

As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall
temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the
"perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes)
stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking. In a manual percolator it
is important to remove or reduce the heat at this point (keeping in mind
the adage "Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled"). Brewed coffee left on high
heat for too long will acquire a bitter taste.


(this is what I meant when I posted "do some research". But alas, that
was not to be . . .)

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:01:02 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 9:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> >>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> >>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> >>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> >>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> >>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> >>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> SCP
> >>>>
> >>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> >>>>
> >>>> John Kuthe...
> >>>
> >>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
> >>>
> >>
> >> even percolators don't boil the water.
> >
> > I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
> >
> > If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
> >
> > All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.
> >
>
> your instinct is correct:
>
> The heat source under the percolator (such as a range or stove) heats
> the water in the bottom chamber. Water at the very bottom of the chamber
> gets hot first and starts to boil. The boiling makes bubbles rise up and
> push water up the vertical tube then out the top of the vertical tube.
> From the top of the tube, the water flows out and over the lid of the
> coffee chamber. Perforations in the lid distribute the water over the
> top of the coffee grounds. The water then seeps through the coffee
> grounds then through the bottom of the coffee chamber. From the bottom
> of the coffee chamber, the water drops onto the colder water at the top
> of the bottom chamber, helping to force water up the tube. This whole
> cycle repeats continuously.
>
> As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall
> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the
> "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes)
> stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking. In a manual percolator it
> is important to remove or reduce the heat at this point (keeping in mind
> the adage "Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled"). Brewed coffee left on high
> heat for too long will acquire a bitter taste.
>
>
> (this is what I meant when I posted "do some research". But alas, that
> was not to be . . .)

Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled!! I LOVE that!! :-)

John Kuthe...

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:01:02 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 9:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> >>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> >>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> >>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> >>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> >>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> >>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> SCP
> >>>>
> >>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> >>>>
> >>>> John Kuthe...
> >>>
> >>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
> >>>
> >>
> >> even percolators don't boil the water.
> >
> > I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
> >
> > If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
> >
> > All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.
> >
>
> your instinct is correct:
>
> The heat source under the percolator (such as a range or stove) heats
> the water in the bottom chamber. Water at the very bottom of the chamber
> gets hot first and starts to boil. The boiling makes bubbles rise up and
> push water up the vertical tube then out the top of the vertical tube.
> From the top of the tube, the water flows out and over the lid of the
> coffee chamber. Perforations in the lid distribute the water over the
> top of the coffee grounds. The water then seeps through the coffee
> grounds then through the bottom of the coffee chamber. From the bottom
> of the coffee chamber, the water drops onto the colder water at the top
> of the bottom chamber, helping to force water up the tube. This whole
> cycle repeats continuously.
>
> As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall
> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the
> "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes)
> stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking. In a manual percolator it
> is important to remove or reduce the heat at this point (keeping in mind
> the adage "Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled"). Brewed coffee left on high
> heat for too long will acquire a bitter taste.
>
>
> (this is what I meant when I posted "do some research". But alas, that
> was not to be . . .)

I've already done years of preliminary research. To proceed, I now need specialized equipment and a lab. A big fat research grant would also be required. I can hardly wait!

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:01:02 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > On 5/9/2016 9:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > >> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > >>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> > >>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> > >>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> > >>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> > >>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> > >>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> > >>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it..
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>> SCP
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> John Kuthe...
> > >>>
> > >>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> even percolators don't boil the water.
> > >
> > > I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
> > >
> > > If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
> > >
> > > All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.
> > >
> >
> > your instinct is correct:
> >
> > The heat source under the percolator (such as a range or stove) heats
> > the water in the bottom chamber. Water at the very bottom of the chamber
> > gets hot first and starts to boil. The boiling makes bubbles rise up and
> > push water up the vertical tube then out the top of the vertical tube.
> > From the top of the tube, the water flows out and over the lid of the
> > coffee chamber. Perforations in the lid distribute the water over the
> > top of the coffee grounds. The water then seeps through the coffee
> > grounds then through the bottom of the coffee chamber. From the bottom
> > of the coffee chamber, the water drops onto the colder water at the top
> > of the bottom chamber, helping to force water up the tube. This whole
> > cycle repeats continuously.
> >
> > As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall
> > temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the
> > "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes)
> > stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking. In a manual percolator it
> > is important to remove or reduce the heat at this point (keeping in mind
> > the adage "Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled"). Brewed coffee left on high
> > heat for too long will acquire a bitter taste.
> >
> >
> > (this is what I meant when I posted "do some research". But alas, that
> > was not to be . . .)
>
> I've already done years of preliminary research. To proceed, I now need specialized equipment and a lab. A big fat research grant would also be required. I can hardly wait!

I've done my research, experimentally. Simple drip coffee maker with what many would consider too much freshly ground Sumatran coffee, and viola! YUM!! Simple, reliable, easily reproduced and most importantly, plenty of 1,3,7 trimethylxanthine (caffeine) and delicious flavor!!

John Kuthe...

On 2016-05-09 9:41 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation
>> at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>
>
> even percolators don't boil the water.


?? Of course they boil water. It is the boiling that forces the water
up the pipe to the coffee basket. As the process continues the same
water is repeatedly boiled and drips back down, over and over and
getting stronger and stronger.

On 2016-05-09 12:16 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 9:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>>>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>>>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the
>>>>>> pot,an
>>>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>>>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>>>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> SCP
>>>>>
>>>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making
>>>>> rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry
>>>>> a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No
>>>> violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>
>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>
>> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
>> perk.
>>
>
> wrong. do some research.

I didn't need to do the research because I have made enough percolator
coffee to know that it does involve boiling water, but I checked to make
sure.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:52:41 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:01:02 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > > On 5/9/2016 9:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > > >> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > >>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > > >>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> > > >>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> > > >>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> > > >>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> > > >>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> > > >>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> > > >>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>> SCP
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> John Kuthe...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> even percolators don't boil the water.
> > > >
> > > > I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
> > > >
> > > > If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
> > > >
> > > > All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.
> > > >
> > >
> > > your instinct is correct:
> > >
> > > The heat source under the percolator (such as a range or stove) heats
> > > the water in the bottom chamber. Water at the very bottom of the chamber
> > > gets hot first and starts to boil. The boiling makes bubbles rise up and
> > > push water up the vertical tube then out the top of the vertical tube..
> > > From the top of the tube, the water flows out and over the lid of the
> > > coffee chamber. Perforations in the lid distribute the water over the
> > > top of the coffee grounds. The water then seeps through the coffee
> > > grounds then through the bottom of the coffee chamber. From the bottom
> > > of the coffee chamber, the water drops onto the colder water at the top
> > > of the bottom chamber, helping to force water up the tube. This whole
> > > cycle repeats continuously.
> > >
> > > As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall
> > > temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the
> > > "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes)
> > > stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking. In a manual percolator it
> > > is important to remove or reduce the heat at this point (keeping in mind
> > > the adage "Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled"). Brewed coffee left on high
> > > heat for too long will acquire a bitter taste.
> > >
> > >
> > > (this is what I meant when I posted "do some research". But alas, that
> > > was not to be . . .)
> >
> > I've already done years of preliminary research. To proceed, I now need specialized equipment and a lab. A big fat research grant would also be required. I can hardly wait!
>
> I've done my research, experimentally. Simple drip coffee maker with what many would consider too much freshly ground Sumatran coffee, and viola! YUM!! Simple, reliable, easily reproduced and most importantly, plenty of 1,3,7 trimethylxanthine (caffeine) and delicious flavor!!
>
> John Kuthe...

I'm trying to get a grant here so leave your drip coffee maker out of this!!!

On 5/9/2016 12:01 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I have made enough percolator coffee to know that it does involve
> boiling water, but I checked to make sure.

Check again:


http://www.howtobrewcoffee.com/percolator.htm

The percolator consists of a pot with a chamber at the bottom, closest
to the source of heat. A vertical tube leads from this chamber to the
top of the percolator. Just below the upper end of this tube is a
perforated chamber. The grounds go in the top chamber, water in the
bottom. When the water boils, it travels up the tube, over the grounds,
cooling the water, then back down to the bottom chamber to cycle again.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1:06:35 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:52:41 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:01:02 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > > > On 5/9/2016 9:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > > > >> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > >>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> > > > >>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> > > > >>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> > > > >>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> > > > >>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> > > > >>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> > > > >>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>> SCP
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> John Kuthe...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> even percolators don't boil the water.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
> > > > >
> > > > > All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > your instinct is correct:
> > > >
> > > > The heat source under the percolator (such as a range or stove) heats
> > > > the water in the bottom chamber. Water at the very bottom of the chamber
> > > > gets hot first and starts to boil. The boiling makes bubbles rise up and
> > > > push water up the vertical tube then out the top of the vertical tube.
> > > > From the top of the tube, the water flows out and over the lid of the
> > > > coffee chamber. Perforations in the lid distribute the water over the
> > > > top of the coffee grounds. The water then seeps through the coffee
> > > > grounds then through the bottom of the coffee chamber. From the bottom
> > > > of the coffee chamber, the water drops onto the colder water at the top
> > > > of the bottom chamber, helping to force water up the tube. This whole
> > > > cycle repeats continuously.
> > > >
> > > > As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall
> > > > temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the
> > > > "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes)
> > > > stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking. In a manual percolator it
> > > > is important to remove or reduce the heat at this point (keeping in mind
> > > > the adage "Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled"). Brewed coffee left on high
> > > > heat for too long will acquire a bitter taste.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (this is what I meant when I posted "do some research". But alas, that
> > > > was not to be . . .)
> > >
> > > I've already done years of preliminary research. To proceed, I now need specialized equipment and a lab. A big fat research grant would also be required. I can hardly wait!
> >
> > I've done my research, experimentally. Simple drip coffee maker with what many would consider too much freshly ground Sumatran coffee, and viola! YUM!! Simple, reliable, easily reproduced and most importantly, plenty of 1,3,7 trimethylxanthine (caffeine) and delicious flavor!!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> I'm trying to get a grant here so leave your drip coffee maker out of this!!!

Your GREED is showing!! :-(

John Kuthe...

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:42:01 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1:06:35 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:52:41 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:01:02 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > > > > On 5/9/2016 9:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > > > > >> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> > > > > >>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> > > > > >>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> > > > > >>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> > > > > >>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> > > > > >>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > >>>>> SCP
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> John Kuthe...
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> even percolators don't boil the water.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > your instinct is correct:
> > > > >
> > > > > The heat source under the percolator (such as a range or stove) heats
> > > > > the water in the bottom chamber. Water at the very bottom of the chamber
> > > > > gets hot first and starts to boil. The boiling makes bubbles rise up and
> > > > > push water up the vertical tube then out the top of the vertical tube.
> > > > > From the top of the tube, the water flows out and over the lid of the
> > > > > coffee chamber. Perforations in the lid distribute the water over the
> > > > > top of the coffee grounds. The water then seeps through the coffee
> > > > > grounds then through the bottom of the coffee chamber. From the bottom
> > > > > of the coffee chamber, the water drops onto the colder water at the top
> > > > > of the bottom chamber, helping to force water up the tube. This whole
> > > > > cycle repeats continuously.
> > > > >
> > > > > As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall
> > > > > temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the
> > > > > "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes)
> > > > > stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking. In a manual percolator it
> > > > > is important to remove or reduce the heat at this point (keeping in mind
> > > > > the adage "Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled"). Brewed coffee left on high
> > > > > heat for too long will acquire a bitter taste.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > (this is what I meant when I posted "do some research". But alas, that
> > > > > was not to be . . .)
> > > >
> > > > I've already done years of preliminary research. To proceed, I now need specialized equipment and a lab. A big fat research grant would also be required. I can hardly wait!
> > >
> > > I've done my research, experimentally. Simple drip coffee maker with what many would consider too much freshly ground Sumatran coffee, and viola! YUM!! Simple, reliable, easily reproduced and most importantly, plenty of 1,3,7 trimethylxanthine (caffeine) and delicious flavor!!
> > >
> > > John Kuthe...
> >
> > I'm trying to get a grant here so leave your drip coffee maker out of this!!!
>
> Your GREED is showing!! :-(
>
> John Kuthe...

Your ASD is showing. I'm kidding.

On Mon, 9 May 2016 09:55:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>> >> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>> >>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>> >>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>> >>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>> >>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>> >>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>> >>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> SCP
>> >>
>> >> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>> >>
>> >> John Kuthe...
>> >
>> > This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>> >
>>
>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>
>I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
>
>If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
>
>All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.


Coffee is all about personal taste and everyone's is different. When
properly done a percolator can make very respectable coffee... the
Farberware electric percolator makes a decent cup because it
incorporates a timer that stops the brewing at a preset duration...
with stovetop percolators people tend to let them perk too long.
Percolators were a favorite of misers, they would use less coffee and
let it perk away... kinda like how some use teabags twice and even
thrice.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 10:54:06 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> > > > I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> > > > WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> > > > insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> > > > hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> > > > 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> > > > please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > SCP
> > >
> > > That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> >
> > Weren't you supposed to put the pot on the pilot flame in the old days,
> > so you get some heat, but you don't boil the water or the coffee?
>
> No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling it!! :-(

Oh, I thought it was a pot that you hang a filter in, put coffee in
filter, poor hot water on coffee and let drip.

On 5/9/2016 8:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 10:54:06 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> SCP
>>>
>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>
>> Weren't you supposed to put the pot on the pilot flame in the old days,
>> so you get some heat, but you don't boil the water or the coffee?
>
> No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling it!! :-(
>
> John Kuthe...
>

That is a totally incorrect description of the operation of a coffee
percolator.

On 5/9/2016 10:11 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 9 May 2016 09:55:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>>>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>>>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>>>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>>>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>>>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>>>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> SCP
>>>>>
>>>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>
>> I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
>>
>> If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
>>
>> All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.
>
>
> Coffee is all about personal taste and everyone's is different. When
> properly done a percolator can make very respectable coffee... the
> Farberware electric percolator makes a decent cup because it
> incorporates a timer that stops the brewing at a preset duration...
> with stovetop percolators people tend to let them perk too long.
> Percolators were a favorite of misers, they would use less coffee and
> let it perk away... kinda like how some use teabags twice and even
> thrice.
>

I'll agree that there's all kinds of ways to make great coffee. My guess
is that it requires fresh coffee and good water mostly. A cup made with
these ingredients, freshly brewed, is going to be pretty good. Coffee
made without good, fresh, coffee or with bad water will not be good.
Coffee that has been sitting around for a while in a heated container
will probably not taste very good. It's not the rocket science that
people make it out to be. The hardest part is getting fresh coffee and
using it up before it gets stale. For good coffee, time is usually the
enemy.

On Mon, 9 May 2016 10:33:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:01:02 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 5/9/2016 9:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> >> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> >>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>> >>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>> >>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>> >>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>> >>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>> >>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>> >>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>> >>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>> SCP
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> John Kuthe...
>> >>>
>> >>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> even percolators don't boil the water.
>> >
>> > I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
>> >
>> > If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
>> >
>> > All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.
>> >
>>
>> your instinct is correct:
>>
>> The heat source under the percolator (such as a range or stove) heats
>> the water in the bottom chamber. Water at the very bottom of the chamber
>> gets hot first and starts to boil. The boiling makes bubbles rise up and
>> push water up the vertical tube then out the top of the vertical tube.
>> From the top of the tube, the water flows out and over the lid of the
>> coffee chamber. Perforations in the lid distribute the water over the
>> top of the coffee grounds. The water then seeps through the coffee
>> grounds then through the bottom of the coffee chamber. From the bottom
>> of the coffee chamber, the water drops onto the colder water at the top
>> of the bottom chamber, helping to force water up the tube. This whole
>> cycle repeats continuously.
>>
>> As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall
>> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the
>> "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes)
>> stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking. In a manual percolator it
>> is important to remove or reduce the heat at this point (keeping in mind
>> the adage "Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled"). Brewed coffee left on high
>> heat for too long will acquire a bitter taste.
>>
>>
>> (this is what I meant when I posted "do some research". But alas, that
>> was not to be . . .)
>
>I've already done years of preliminary research. To proceed, I now need specialized
>equipment and a lab. A big fat research grant would also be required. I can hardly wait!


There's no lab or grant needed. All standard percolators boil the
water and in turn boil the brewed coffee over and over and over. Easy
to observe, buy a glass percolator, relatively inexpensive:
http://www.amazon.com/Medelco-Cup-Gl...ass+percolator
The Italian espresso percolators boil the water, actually at a rather
high temperature as the pot is pressurized and steam forces the hot
water up through the compacted grounds, but the brewed coffee is
collected imediately in a holding tank at the top of the pot where it
doesn't spill over into the remaining boiling water and doesn't itself
boil... a rather simple concept but remarkably efficient... everyone
who enjoys good coffee needs to own one of these little gems. It has
no moving parts, nothing to break but once in a while replace the
little rubber gasket... you'll know when as you'll see water vapor
emitted at the seal. The rubber seal can last many years when one is
careful not to over tighten. By flipping open the top lid you can
actually observe the coffee being collected. This is the original:
http://www.amazon.com/Original-Biale...=sr_1_4&sr=8-4

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 2:32:25 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 9 May 2016 09:17:52 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:06:33 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> >dsi1 wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> >> >>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> >> >>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> >> >>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> >> >>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> >> >>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> >> >>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> >> >>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>> SCP
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John Kuthe...
> >> >>
> >> >> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
> >> >
> >> >even percolators don't boil the water.
> >>
> >> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
> >> perk.
> >
> >It starts boiling as 100% water but as soon as any coffee leaches out gets into the mix, you are boiling the coffee! In Differential Equations that's called a Well Mixed problem.
> >
> >John Kuthe...
>
> No wonder you failed every school course you ever took, you are
> incapable of concentrating even minimally. If you were able to pay
> attention you'd know that the thread began with drip coffee makers but
> somehow you decided a drip coffee maker is a percolator. Drip coffee
> makers do NOT boil anything, don't need to sit on a stove... one heats
> the water in a different pot to less then boiling... works exactly
> like an ADC only the ADC (Automatic Drip Coffeemaker) is *Automatic*
> and a drip coffee maker is manual. Your ADC doesn't boil water
> either, it only heats water to less than boiling. Wake up Koochie,
> lay off the weed and smell the coffee.

You are comical ShelDUM!!! I've gotten VERY good grades in all the schools I've gone to, save for way back when when I was in public school. Engineering AND Nursing schools! How many Bachelor's Degrees do YOU have and in what areas, ShelDUM?

John Kuthe...

On 2016-05-09 3:18 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 10:57 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-05-09 9:41 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation
>>>> at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>
>>
>> ?? Of course they boil water. It is the boiling that forces the water
>> up the pipe to the coffee basket. As the process continues the same
>> water is repeatedly boiled and drips back down, over and over and
>> getting stronger and stronger.
>>
>
> The do not boil "the water", i.e. ALL of the water.

Oh yes, they boil all the water. Whatever is at the bottom of the pot
and gets under that funnel thing gets heated up to boiling point and
goes up the pipe. It may not be boiling by the time it gets there, but
it was boiled to get pushed up. Then it is weak coffee and it gets
boiled again and again and again.



> The coffee grounds never see liquid above
> 190 degrees or so, unless you do not pay attention and eave the pot on
> the stove after percolation stops.

It may not be boiling when it goes through the grounds, but it most
certainly was before it got there. It would not be so bad if it went
through the basket and into a reservoir, but as it increases in strength
it is boiled over and over.


> This over brewing is how bad coffee
> was made in a percolator by inattentive people. Some electric
> percolators included temperature sensors to avoid this operator error.

Having lived through the percolator era I have to say that stove top
percolators generally made better coffee than electric machines, but you
had to keep an eye on them.

On 2016-05-09 3:20 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 12:17 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>>> wrong. do some research.
>>
>> Don't need to do research, I occasionally use a percolator, the water
>> must come to a boil or it won't come up through the tube, and then the
>> brewed coffee keeps boiling and coming up the tube, the longer it
>> boils the stronger the coffee but not good to go too long or it will
>> taste burnt. I have an Italian espresso percolator too, water also
>> needs to reach boiling to work (also builds up some steam pressure,
>> some models incorporate a steam frother), but that pot has a resevoir
>> to catch the brewed coffee so it only goes through the grounds once
>> and the brewed coffee doesn't boil. A drip coffee maker doesn't boil
>> at all, not even the water, it doesn't need to sit on the stove to
>> operate as the water is heated in a teakettle to about 200ºF and
>> poured into the drip basket... most people would set the drip pot on a
>> trivet at table.
>> You obviously don't know how the different coffee makers work.
>>
>
> you don't understand percolators.


No. He understands percolators and has explained them. It looks like you
are the one who does not understand.

On 5/9/2016 2:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-09 3:18 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 5/9/2016 10:57 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2016-05-09 9:41 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>
>>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation
>>>>> at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>>
>>>
>>> ?? Of course they boil water. It is the boiling that forces the water
>>> up the pipe to the coffee basket. As the process continues the same
>>> water is repeatedly boiled and drips back down, over and over and
>>> getting stronger and stronger.
>>>
>>
>> The do not boil "the water", i.e. ALL of the water.
>
> Oh yes, they boil all the water. Whatever is at the bottom of the pot
> and gets under that funnel thing gets heated up to boiling point and
> goes up the pipe. It may not be boiling by the time it gets there, but
> it was boiled to get pushed up. Then it is weak coffee and it gets
> boiled again and again and again.
>
>
>
>> The coffee grounds never see liquid above
>> 190 degrees or so, unless you do not pay attention and eave the pot on
>> the stove after percolation stops.
>
> It may not be boiling when it goes through the grounds, but it most
> certainly was before it got there.

No, the water hitting the coffee grounds was not boiling. You just
don't get it.

On 2016-05-09 4:30 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>> No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot
>> causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips
>> through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start
>> with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that
>> tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling
>> it!! :-(
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
> That is a totally incorrect description of the operation of a coffee
> percolator.


No. Not at all. He pretty well nailed it. There is a conical base for
the tube that houses the brew basket. The water on the bottom is heated
up and when it hits the boiling point it is forced up the tube and
sputters onto the filter basket. It then drips down thrown the basket
and then down into the base of the pot and at some point it ends up
getting perked back up the top... over and over.

On 5/9/2016 3:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-09 4:30 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>>> No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot
>>> causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips
>>> through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start
>>> with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that
>>> tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling
>>> it!! :-(
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>
>> That is a totally incorrect description of the operation of a coffee
>> percolator.
>
>
> No. Not at all. He pretty well nailed it. There is a conical base for
> the tube that houses the brew basket. The water on the bottom is heated
> up and when it hits the boiling point it is forced up the tube and
> sputters onto the filter basket. It then drips down thrown the basket
> and then down into the base of the pot and at some point it ends up
> getting perked back up the top... over and over.

but the water hitting the coffee grounds is not boiling water.

On 2016-05-09 6:12 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 2:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-05-09 3:18 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 5/9/2016 10:57 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2016-05-09 9:41 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No
>>>>>> violation
>>>>>> at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ?? Of course they boil water. It is the boiling that forces the water
>>>> up the pipe to the coffee basket. As the process continues the same
>>>> water is repeatedly boiled and drips back down, over and over and
>>>> getting stronger and stronger.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The do not boil "the water", i.e. ALL of the water.
>>
>> Oh yes, they boil all the water. Whatever is at the bottom of the pot
>> and gets under that funnel thing gets heated up to boiling point and
>> goes up the pipe. It may not be boiling by the time it gets there, but
>> it was boiled to get pushed up. Then it is weak coffee and it gets
>> boiled again and again and again.
>>
>>
>>
>>> The coffee grounds never see liquid above
>>> 190 degrees or so, unless you do not pay attention and eave the pot on
>>> the stove after percolation stops.
>>
>> It may not be boiling when it goes through the grounds, but it most
>> certainly was before it got there.
>
> No, the water hitting the coffee grounds was not boiling. You just
> don't get it.
>


Sorry, but you are the one who is not getting it. The water may not be
at the boiling point when is sputters out the top of the tube in the
percolator, but it was the pressure of the boiling liquid that sent it
up the tube. Since the coffee is diffusing through the water it is
(weak) coffee that is being boiled and being sent up that tube over and
over.