Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
http://i63.tinypic.com/n15ojo.jpg
http://i66.tinypic.com/34zwy39.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/nbvrtc.jpg
My feral beauties... Fluff and Ebenezer are always together, and watch
out for each other:
http://i64.tinypic.com/2zswg1s.jpg

On 2016-04-18 5:06 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
> pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
> departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
> muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
> blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
> himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
> I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
> flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
> all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
> bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
> for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
> attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:


Congratulations. Will you actually use that much diesel in a season?

Seems to be a good time to fill up. When I had a diesel pickup the fuel
was cheaper than gasoline. For a while diesel was more expensive than
gas around here. Gas and diesel have both been relatively low for the
last few months but gas took a jump last week and diesel dropped.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:47:22 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-04-18 5:06 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
>> pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
>> departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
>> muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
>> blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
>> himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
>> I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
>> flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
>> all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
>> bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
>> for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
>> attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
>
>
>Congratulations. Will you actually use that much diesel in a season?

Yes, I use about 10-12 gallons a week for 26 weeks of mowing, plus
plowing snow in winter.

>Seems to be a good time to fill up. When I had a diesel pickup the fuel
>was cheaper than gasoline. For a while diesel was more expensive than
>gas around here. Gas and diesel have both been relatively low for the
>last few months but gas took a jump last week and diesel dropped.

It'll cost less because I'll be able to order Agri diesel, about a
dollar less a gallon, only difference is the dye color, just don't get
caught using it for road use... I figure the tank will be paid for in
two years.

On 2016-04-18 7:52 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:47:22 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
last few months but gas took a jump last week and diesel dropped.
>
> It'll cost less because I'll be able to order Agri diesel, about a
> dollar less a gallon, only difference is the dye color, just don't get
> caught using it for road use... I figure the tank will be paid for in
> two years.
>


There is a test for it. Even if it has been diluted enough that the dye
no longer shows the reagent will detect it in very small amounts.

Sqwertz wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Yes, I use about 10-12 gallons a week for 26 weeks of mowing, plus
>> plowing snow in winter.
>
>Kinda obsessive-compulsive to mow a lawn once a week, isn't it?
>(rhetorical question).

I try to mow once a week, weather permitting. But with lots of rain I
can't mow and the grass grows faster, so when I finally get to mow it
may take 2-3 passes... more time, more fuel. Grass grows a lot faster
here than in Texass. Most people here mow twice a week but I have too
many acres to mow that often. My next door neighbor is a compulsive
mower, he mows twice a week, sometimes three times if he has company
arriving, but he only mows about three acres, I mow a full ten acres,
and I mow lots of paths, perimeters require a lot more mowing.

>> It'll cost less because I'll be able to order Agri diesel, about a
>> dollar less a gallon, only difference is the dye color, just don't get
>> caught using it for road use... I figure the tank will be paid for in
>> two years.
>
>Isn't agricultural diesel only discounted for actual farming
>operations - when used exclusively for the production of personal
>tangible property on your land? You're just growing plain 'ol grass.
>That's not farming. And even then, the discount looks to be only
>about $.75/gallon when used LAWFULLY.

Diesel tax is discounted for any kind of gardening, landscapers get
the discount. So long as Agri diesel is not used for road travel it's
legal. The price changes because it's discounted on a percentage
basis. The concept of a tax discount for Agri use is based on Agri
vehicles not damaging roadways and diesel polutes a lot less than
gasolene for agricultural purposes, diesel engines are a lot more
powerful so use a lot less fuel than gasolene for the same work. My
neighbor recently bought a huge zero turn mower but it uses gasolene,
he burns twice as many gallons per acre. Also those things have tiny
wheels and no four wheel drive... I've already had to tow him out of
the spring mud several times last year. He's a nice guy but for 55
years old he infantile, he into toys, he has what I call a Bush
mobile, and he just bought another ATV.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 21:48:23 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

My
>neighbor recently bought a huge zero turn mower but it uses gasolene,
>he burns twice as many gallons per acre. Also those things have tiny
>wheels and no four wheel drive... I've already had to tow him out of
>the spring mud several times last year. He's a nice guy but for 55
>years old he infantile, he into toys, he has what I call a Bush
>mobile, and he just bought another ATV.

the zero turn machines will rub off grass on turns, particularly
tight turns unless care is used. In other words, you can't drive it
like you are practicing for NASCAR.
Janet US

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 22:32:37 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 21:48:23 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
> My
>>neighbor recently bought a huge zero turn mower but it uses gasolene,
>>he burns twice as many gallons per acre. Also those things have tiny
>>wheels and no four wheel drive... I've already had to tow him out of
>>the spring mud several times last year. He's a nice guy but for 55
>>years old he infantile, he into toys, he has what I call a Bush
>>mobile, and he just bought another ATV.
>
>the zero turn machines will rub off grass on turns, particularly
>tight turns unless care is used. In other words, you can't drive it
>like you are practicing for NASCAR.
>Janet US

With mowers on tractors when taking turns fast they leave sections of
grass uncut... the trick is to back up over those turns.

On 4/19/2016 12:32 AM, Janet B wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 21:48:23 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
> My
>> neighbor recently bought a huge zero turn mower but it uses gasolene,
>> he burns twice as many gallons per acre. Also those things have tiny
>> wheels and no four wheel drive... I've already had to tow him out of
>> the spring mud several times last year. He's a nice guy but for 55
>> years old he infantile, he into toys, he has what I call a Bush
>> mobile, and he just bought another ATV.
>
> the zero turn machines will rub off grass on turns, particularly
> tight turns unless care is used. In other words, you can't drive it
> like you are practicing for NASCAR.
> Janet US
>
I think that is mainly a concern if the grass is wet, but I see where
you're coming from.

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Cheryl

On 2016-04-18 9:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:

>> Isn't agricultural diesel only discounted for actual farming
>> operations - when used exclusively for the production of personal
>> tangible property on your land? You're just growing plain 'ol grass.
>> That's not farming. And even then, the discount looks to be only
>> about $.75/gallon when used LAWFULLY.
>
> Diesel tax is discounted for any kind of gardening, landscapers get
> the discount. So long as Agri diesel is not used for road travel it's
> legal. The price changes because it's discounted on a percentage
> basis. The concept of a tax discount for Agri use is based on Agri
> vehicles not damaging roadways and diesel polutes a lot less than
> gasolene for agricultural purposes, diesel engines are a lot more
> powerful so use a lot less fuel than gasolene for the same work. My
> neighbor recently bought a huge zero turn mower but it uses gasolene,
> he burns twice as many gallons per acre. Also those things have tiny
> wheels and no four wheel drive... I've already had to tow him out of
> the spring mud several times last year. He's a nice guy but for 55
> years old he infantile, he into toys, he has what I call a Bush
> mobile, and he just bought another ATV.

I don't know how the rules differ in the US from ours. In Ontario is is
referred to as coloured fuel and it cannot be used on a motor vehicle
that has been licensed to operate on the road. You can use it for
heating, lighting, cooking, generating electricity, in unlicenced
construction equipment,farm vehicles, mining equipment, commercial
marine vessels, for auxiliary equipment on a motor vehicle if it uses a
separate tank, and can be used by Indians on a reserve.

The dye indicates that there was no road taxes paid on it.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:12:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-04-18 9:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>>> Isn't agricultural diesel only discounted for actual farming
>>> operations - when used exclusively for the production of personal
>>> tangible property on your land? You're just growing plain 'ol grass.
>>> That's not farming. And even then, the discount looks to be only
>>> about $.75/gallon when used LAWFULLY.
>>
>> Diesel tax is discounted for any kind of gardening, landscapers get
>> the discount. So long as Agri diesel is not used for road travel it's
>> legal. The price changes because it's discounted on a percentage
>> basis. The concept of a tax discount for Agri use is based on Agri
>> vehicles not damaging roadways and diesel polutes a lot less than
>> gasolene for agricultural purposes, diesel engines are a lot more
>> powerful so use a lot less fuel than gasolene for the same work. My
>> neighbor recently bought a huge zero turn mower but it uses gasolene,
>> he burns twice as many gallons per acre. Also those things have tiny
>> wheels and no four wheel drive... I've already had to tow him out of
>> the spring mud several times last year. He's a nice guy but for 55
>> years old he infantile, he into toys, he has what I call a Bush
>> mobile, and he just bought another ATV.
>
>I don't know how the rules differ in the US from ours. In Ontario is is
>referred to as coloured fuel and it cannot be used on a motor vehicle
>that has been licensed to operate on the road. You can use it for
>heating, lighting, cooking, generating electricity, in unlicenced
>construction equipment,farm vehicles, mining equipment, commercial
>marine vessels, for auxiliary equipment on a motor vehicle if it uses a
>separate tank, and can be used by Indians on a reserve.
>
>The dye indicates that there was no road taxes paid on it.

It's the same here. If I owned a diesel vehical I used for commuting
it would be illegal but as you say for Agri vehicals not licensed for
road use Agri diesel is perfectly legal. I don't need to use my Agri
diesel on my own property, lots of people here use theirs on other
people's land. My property is zoned Agricultural Residential, as is
most property here. There's all sorts of diesel equipment that is not
used for crops and is trailored site to site that are permited to use
Agri diesel, all kinds of earth moving, excavation, logging equipment.
etc. I'm permitted to drive my tractor on the roads too, so long as
it's properly signed, equiped with flashers, and I follow the road use
rules; keep to the shoulders and keep under 10 mph... no one is going
to drive a tractor on roadways more than a mile, tractor tires are too
costly to cause wear by scuffing on pavement, anyone needing to travel
more than a mile will trailor their equipment. Where I live most
everyone is involved with some kind of agriculture, from hauling
livestock feed to haying, to maintaining culverts and dirt roads... no
policeman is going spend all day sitting on private property checking
Agri diesel use. Every day I see far more diesel powered Agri
equipment traveling down my road than I see non Agri vehicals, and I
live on a County road, not a Town road. I use my tractors for all
kinds of use, not just mowing. It's rare to find people in the towns
and burbs who mow with diesel, at most they use those tiny gasolene
powered garden tractors that are really not tractors at all, they are
technically riding lawnmowers designed to look like dwarf tractors.
The golf courses mow with Agri diesel and they grow no crops, I
suppose one could say they got some balls! LOL

On 4/18/2016 9:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> I try to mow once a week, weather permitting. But with lots of rain I
> can't mow and the grass grows faster, so when I finally get to mow it
> may take 2-3 passes... more time, more fuel. Grass grows a lot faster
> here than in Texass. Most people here mow twice a week but I have too
> many acres to mow that often. My next door neighbor is a compulsive
> mower, he mows twice a week, sometimes three times if he has company
> arriving, but he only mows about three acres, I mow a full ten acres,
> and I mow lots of paths, perimeters require a lot more mowing.

My 1/3 acre takes 2 mowings a week in the spring. I don't give a shit
about how high it gets, but my neighbor cuts it for me and if it gets
too high, it is too hard on the mower and he'll push it to its limits
and it breaks down more often. He uses my mower, so I care about that.
Plus, an overgrown lawn can invite things like chiggers that bite or
whatever they are called, and bunny babies are harder to see and I don't
want them to be run over.

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Cheryl

On 4/19/2016 10:28 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 4/18/2016 9:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> I try to mow once a week, weather permitting. But with lots of rain I
>> can't mow and the grass grows faster, so when I finally get to mow it
>> may take 2-3 passes... more time, more fuel. Grass grows a lot faster
>> here than in Texass. Most people here mow twice a week but I have too
>> many acres to mow that often. My next door neighbor is a compulsive
>> mower, he mows twice a week, sometimes three times if he has company
>> arriving, but he only mows about three acres, I mow a full ten acres,
>> and I mow lots of paths, perimeters require a lot more mowing.
>
> My 1/3 acre takes 2 mowings a week in the spring. I don't give a shit
> about how high it gets, but my neighbor cuts it for me and if it gets
> too high, it is too hard on the mower and he'll push it to its limits
> and it breaks down more often. He uses my mower, so I care about that.
> Plus, an overgrown lawn can invite things like chiggers that bite or
> whatever they are called, and bunny babies are harder to see and I don't
> want them to be run over.
>
Oh, and I forgot that I was once warned by my city to cut the grass
because it was too long or else they'd come cut it and charge me PLUS
fine me.

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Cheryl

On 2016-04-19 10:28 PM, Cheryl wrote:

> My 1/3 acre takes 2 mowings a week in the spring. I don't give a shit
> about how high it gets, but my neighbor cuts it for me and if it gets
> too high, it is too hard on the mower and he'll push it to its limits
> and it breaks down more often. He uses my mower, so I care about that.
> Plus, an overgrown lawn can invite things like chiggers that bite or
> whatever they are called, and bunny babies are harder to see and I don't
> want them to be run over.

My lawn needs to be mowed at least twice a week in the spring too. It
is much faster and easier on the mower to do it at least that often and
not cut it too short than to let it grow long and make the engine
struggle with the extra work. Otherwise, you have to slow right down
and end up having to rake up the clippings.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:44:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>It takes me 10 hours to mow our property. That's why I try to limit it
>to once every 6 weeks or so. By that stage the grass is very high and
>the mower often breaks down. It's a 45 minute drive to the dealer
>(times 4 in total). All in all, it's costing me a lot of time whether
>I mow twice a week in spring/summer (I'd have to stop working
>full-time) or once every 6 weeks.

Sheep. Bahhhhhh... wooly lawnmowers can do the bulk of the work for
you.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:44:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 22:28:40 -0400, Cheryl >
>wrote:
>
>>On 4/18/2016 9:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> I try to mow once a week, weather permitting. But with lots of rain I
>>> can't mow and the grass grows faster, so when I finally get to mow it
>>> may take 2-3 passes... more time, more fuel. Grass grows a lot faster
>>> here than in Texass. Most people here mow twice a week but I have too
>>> many acres to mow that often. My next door neighbor is a compulsive
>>> mower, he mows twice a week, sometimes three times if he has company
>>> arriving, but he only mows about three acres, I mow a full ten acres,
>>> and I mow lots of paths, perimeters require a lot more mowing.
>>
>>My 1/3 acre takes 2 mowings a week in the spring. I don't give a shit
>>about how high it gets, but my neighbor cuts it for me and if it gets
>>too high, it is too hard on the mower and he'll push it to its limits
>>and it breaks down more often. He uses my mower, so I care about that.
>>Plus, an overgrown lawn can invite things like chiggers that bite or
>>whatever they are called, and bunny babies are harder to see and I don't
>>want them to be run over.
>
>It takes me 10 hours to mow our property. That's why I try to limit it
>to once every 6 weeks or so. By that stage the grass is very high and
>the mower often breaks down. It's a 45 minute drive to the dealer
>(times 4 in total). All in all, it's costing me a lot of time whether
>I mow twice a week in spring/summer (I'd have to stop working
>full-time) or once every 6 weeks.

It sounds like you have the wrong size mower... how much area are you
mowing and what size/type mower?

On 4/18/2016 8:51 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> Again, you're confused.

> "Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
> heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."
>
> -sw
>
> "OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
> Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
> entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
> baby carrots".
>
> -sw
>
> "Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."
>
> -sw
>
> I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
> that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
> off-topic subjects.
>
> -sw
>
> Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.
>
> -sw
>
>
> "Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
> heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."
>
> -sw
>
>
> "Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."
>
> -sw
>
> I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
> that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
> off-topic subjects.
>
> -sw
>
> Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.
>
> -sw
>
> I didn't think Julie was even capable of using the phone.
>
> -sw
>
> You seem to have a problem remembering things. Maybe you should have
> written down the once you realized you liked it.
>
> -sw
>
> Wow. She catches on quick when her mind isn't clouded by irrational
> spite.
>
> -sw
>
> Congratulations! Your post has been approved by Julie.
>
> [High Five]
>
> -sw
>
> Yeah, I see tuna and cheddar on pizza every time I visit Planet Bove.
>
> -sw
>
> You can't rent this stuff at Red Box.
>
> -sw
>
> You tell him Julie!
>
> <snort>
>
> -sw
>
> That wasn't your original argument. Your argument was that you
> couldn't remember where you got them. Then when somebody tells you
> how to solve that problem, you come up with a different argument to
> explain why the proposed solution won't work.
>
> Same 'ol song and dance.
>
> -sw
>
> <snip rest unread>
>
> -sw
>
> So WTF are you basing your unfounded theories on? Angela was about 3
> years old and you had left grade school decades earlier. What would
> have been your direct experience with the New York public school
> system in the early 2000's?
>
> -sw
>
> What I'm trying to say is that Julie is full of shit again. It's
> amazing how much time Julie spends describing her miserable fantasy
> world.
>
> -sw
>
>
> Again, only in YOUR house.
>
> -sw

On 4/18/2016 10:51 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> "Fuel not used for farming. You do not use fuel on a farm for
> farming purposes when you use it in any of the following ways:
> ...
> For personal use, such as lawn mowing"
>

>
> So much for that tank paying itself off in a just a few years, eh?
> You should fire your financial advisor.
>

Anyone using that much diesel knows what to buy to eliminate the tax.
Local oil dealers don't really giver a damn what you report either.

I've not kept up with the latest in diesel engine technology, but most
would run just fine on #2 oil or maybe with a shot of kero added in
winter.

On 4/19/2016 10:38 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Besides,
> kerosene schtinks.
>
> -sw
> "Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
> heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."
>
> -sw
>
> "OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
> Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
> entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
> baby carrots".
>
> -sw
>
> "Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."
>
> -sw
>
> I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
> that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
> off-topic subjects.
>
> -sw
>
> Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.
>
> -sw
>
>
> "Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
> heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."
>
> -sw
>
>
> "Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."
>
> -sw
>
> I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
> that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
> off-topic subjects.
>
> -sw
>
> Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.
>
> -sw
>
> I didn't think Julie was even capable of using the phone.
>
> -sw
>
> You seem to have a problem remembering things. Maybe you should have
> written down the once you realized you liked it.
>
> -sw
>
> Wow. She catches on quick when her mind isn't clouded by irrational
> spite.
>
> -sw
>
> Congratulations! Your post has been approved by Julie.
>
> [High Five]
>
> -sw
>
> Yeah, I see tuna and cheddar on pizza every time I visit Planet Bove.
>
> -sw
>
> You can't rent this stuff at Red Box.
>
> -sw
>
> You tell him Julie!
>
> <snort>
>
> -sw
>
> That wasn't your original argument. Your argument was that you
> couldn't remember where you got them. Then when somebody tells you
> how to solve that problem, you come up with a different argument to
> explain why the proposed solution won't work.
>
> Same 'ol song and dance.
>
> -sw
>
> <snip rest unread>
>
> -sw
>
> So WTF are you basing your unfounded theories on? Angela was about 3
> years old and you had left grade school decades earlier. What would
> have been your direct experience with the New York public school
> system in the early 2000's?
>
> -sw
>
> What I'm trying to say is that Julie is full of shit again. It's
> amazing how much time Julie spends describing her miserable fantasy
> world.
>
> -sw
>
>
> Again, only in YOUR house.
>
> -sw

On 4/19/2016 12:38 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

>>
>> Anyone using that much diesel knows what to buy to eliminate the tax.
>> Local oil dealers don't really giver a damn what you report either.
>
> The seller of non-taxable diesel is also liable for penalties for
> knowingly selling untaxed fuel to ineligible buyers. If they come to
> deliver gas and they don't see a farming operation, then they would be
> wise to charge the tax or face the penalties.

There is the law, and then there is what is done every day.

On 4/18/2016 6:50 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> $.75/gallon when used LAWFULLY.
>
> -sw
> "Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
> heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."
>
> -sw
>
> "OK, so it's your planet so I guess you get to define what all teens on
> Planet Bove eat. We'll need to add this to the Planet Bove Wikipedia
> entry: "Teenagers on Planet Bove only eat chicken strips, fries, and
> baby carrots".
>
> -sw
>
> "Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."
>
> -sw
>
> I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
> that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
> off-topic subjects.
>
> -sw
>
> Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.
>
> -sw
>
>
> "Why do you even bother posting if that's all you have to say? We've
> heard the same thing at least 2,000 times by now."
>
> -sw
>
>
> "Incredible. And you STILL don't shut up."
>
> -sw
>
> I thought you were here just to talk about cooking? You've only said
> that at least 25 times, yet 95% of the flack you get is about
> off-topic subjects.
>
> -sw
>
> Way to go, Julie! You beat her down into speechlessness.
>
> -sw
>
> I didn't think Julie was even capable of using the phone.
>
> -sw
>
> You seem to have a problem remembering things. Maybe you should have
> written down the once you realized you liked it.
>
> -sw
>
> Wow. She catches on quick when her mind isn't clouded by irrational
> spite.
>
> -sw
>
> Congratulations! Your post has been approved by Julie.
>
> [High Five]
>
> -sw
>
> Yeah, I see tuna and cheddar on pizza every time I visit Planet Bove.
>
> -sw
>
> You can't rent this stuff at Red Box.
>
> -sw
>
> You tell him Julie!
>
> <snort>
>
> -sw
>
> That wasn't your original argument. Your argument was that you
> couldn't remember where you got them. Then when somebody tells you
> how to solve that problem, you come up with a different argument to
> explain why the proposed solution won't work.
>
> Same 'ol song and dance.
>
> -sw
>
> <snip rest unread>
>
> -sw
>
> So WTF are you basing your unfounded theories on? Angela was about 3
> years old and you had left grade school decades earlier. What would
> have been your direct experience with the New York public school
> system in the early 2000's?
>
> -sw
>
> What I'm trying to say is that Julie is full of shit again. It's
> amazing how much time Julie spends describing her miserable fantasy
> world.
>
> -sw
>
>
> Again, only in YOUR house.
>
> -sw

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:06:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
>pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
>departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
>muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
>blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
>himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
>I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
>flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
>all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
>bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
>for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
>attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
>http://i63.tinypic.com/n15ojo.jpg
>http://i66.tinypic.com/34zwy39.jpg
>http://i67.tinypic.com/nbvrtc.jpg
>My feral beauties... Fluff and Ebenezer are always together, and watch
>out for each other:
>http://i64.tinypic.com/2zswg1s.jpg
>
>
that's awful purdy lookin', Sheldon. Good job ;0
Janet US

On 4/18/2016 3:48 PM, Janet B wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:06:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>> Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
>> pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
>> departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
>> muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
>> blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
>> himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
>> I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
>> flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
>> all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
>> bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
>> for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
>> attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
>> http://i63.tinypic.com/n15ojo.jpg
>> http://i66.tinypic.com/34zwy39.jpg
>> http://i67.tinypic.com/nbvrtc.jpg
>> My feral beauties... Fluff and Ebenezer are always together, and watch
>> out for each other:
>> http://i64.tinypic.com/2zswg1s.jpg
>>
>>
> that's awful purdy lookin', Sheldon. Good job ;0
> Janet US
>

I think you just made his day!

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 15:48:11 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:06:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
>>pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
>>departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
>>muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
>>blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
>>himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
>>I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
>>flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
>>all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
>>bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
>>for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
>>attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
>>http://i63.tinypic.com/n15ojo.jpg
>>http://i66.tinypic.com/34zwy39.jpg
>>http://i67.tinypic.com/nbvrtc.jpg
>>My feral beauties... Fluff and Ebenezer are always together, and watch
>>out for each other:
>>http://i64.tinypic.com/2zswg1s.jpg
>>
>>
>that's awful purdy lookin', Sheldon. Good job ;0
>Janet US

Thank you, Janet. That job tired me out. Next a couple coats of
Rustoleum.

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 4:48:13 PM UTC-5, Janet B wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:06:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
> >Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
> >pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
> >departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
> >muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
> >blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
> >himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
> >I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
> >flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
> >all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
> >bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
> >for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
> >attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
> >http://i63.tinypic.com/n15ojo.jpg
> >http://i66.tinypic.com/34zwy39.jpg
> >http://i67.tinypic.com/nbvrtc.jpg
> >My feral beauties... Fluff and Ebenezer are always together, and watch
> >out for each other:
> >http://i64.tinypic.com/2zswg1s.jpg
> >
> >
> that's awful purdy lookin', Sheldon. Good job ;0
> Janet US

Without triangular leg bracing, that tank's gonna end up on the ground someday!!

And I knew that even before I was an engineer!

John Kuthe...

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:33:37 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 4:48:13 PM UTC-5, Janet B wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:06:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
>> >pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
>> >departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
>> >muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
>> >blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
>> >himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
>> >I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
>> >flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
>> >all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
>> >bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
>> >for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
>> >attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
>> >http://i63.tinypic.com/n15ojo.jpg
>> >http://i66.tinypic.com/34zwy39.jpg
>> >http://i67.tinypic.com/nbvrtc.jpg
>> >My feral beauties... Fluff and Ebenezer are always together, and watch
>> >out for each other:
>> >http://i64.tinypic.com/2zswg1s.jpg
>> >
>> >
>> that's awful purdy lookin', Sheldon. Good job ;0
>> Janet US
>
>Without triangular leg bracing, that tank's gonna end up on the ground someday!!

Some day, yes... in about 100 years.

>And I knew that even before I was an engineer!

Yeah, right... a shithouse engineer... a licensed terlit swabber.

>John Kuthe...

Complain he
http://ats-tank.com/en/products/11/ul-80-tanks
And he
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Horizonta...5HOT/203105830

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 8:58:33 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:33:37 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 4:48:13 PM UTC-5, Janet B wrote:
> >> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:06:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
> >> >pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
> >> >departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
> >> >muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
> >> >blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
> >> >himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
> >> >I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
> >> >flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
> >> >all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
> >> >bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
> >> >for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
> >> >attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
> >> >http://i63.tinypic.com/n15ojo.jpg
> >> >http://i66.tinypic.com/34zwy39.jpg
> >> >http://i67.tinypic.com/nbvrtc.jpg
> >> >My feral beauties... Fluff and Ebenezer are always together, and watch
> >> >out for each other:
> >> >http://i64.tinypic.com/2zswg1s.jpg
> >> >
> >> >
> >> that's awful purdy lookin', Sheldon. Good job ;0
> >> Janet US
> >
> >Without triangular leg bracing, that tank's gonna end up on the ground someday!!
>
> Some day, yes... in about 100 years.
>
....

OK, leave it as is. When a tankful comes crashing down, don't come complaining here!! Better buiding it 100 times better/stronger than "they" say it should be than to be sorry later! That's why the Great Wall of China is still standing!! Pyramids too! Etc!

John Kuthe...

On 4/20/2016 10:35 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> That's why the Great Wall of China is still standing!! Pyramids too! Etc!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

The pyramids were built by aliens, that's why they're still here.

On 4/20/2016 12:35 PM, John Kuthe wrote:

>>>>
>>>>> Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
>>>>> pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
>>>>> departed, so I was able to screw the legs in.
>>>>> attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
>>>>> http://i63.tinypic.com/n15ojo.jpg
>>>>> http://i66.tinypic.com/34zwy39.jpg
>>>>> http://i67.tinypic.com/nbvrtc.jpg

>>> Without triangular leg bracing, that tank's gonna end up on the ground someday!!
>>
>> Some day, yes... in about 100 years.
>>
> ...
>
> OK, leave it as is. When a tankful comes crashing down, don't come complaining here!! Better buiding it 100 times better/stronger than "they" say it should be than to be sorry later! That's why the Great Wall of China is still standing!! Pyramids too! Etc!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Probably a half million tanks like that still standing. Oil heat is very
common in the northeast.
http://www.mayoiltank.com/Granby-Pro...nksSteel-Tanks

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 07:31:46 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 09:35:23 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:
>
>>OK, leave it as is. When a tankful comes crashing down, don't come
>>complaining here!! Better buiding it 100 times better/stronger than "they"
>>say it should be than to be sorry later! That's why the Great Wall of China
>>is still standing!!
>
>So I guess Chinese products aren't that bad after all.

I brought up the Great Wall previously to John, but no reply.

>I mean, mention
>one American construction that's more than 13 centuries old and still
>stands.

I daresay that date will keep being pushed further back, now that old
Anglo-based paradigms are finally dying. Long overdue.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 09:58:26 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:33:37 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:
>
>>And I knew that even before I was an engineer!
>
>Yeah, right... a shithouse engineer... a licensed terlit swabber.

He an engineer now? When did this happen?

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 09:58:26 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:33:37 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
> >
> >>And I knew that even before I was an engineer!
> >
> >Yeah, right... a shithouse engineer... a licensed terlit swabber.
>
> He an engineer now? When did this happen?

I went to engineering school at Washington University St Louis 1989-1995 and got a job with IBM right out of school and worked as a computer/systems engineer.

John Kuthe...

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 06:01:44 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 09:58:26 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:33:37 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:
>>
>>>And I knew that even before I was an engineer!
>>
>>Yeah, right... a shithouse engineer... a licensed terlit swabber.
>
>He an engineer now? When did this happen?

When his housemate handed him a brush and a bottle of Lysol bowl
cleaner and said now you can tell everyone you're an SHE (Shit House
Engineer). Actually KootShe is Bwrrryan's SHE! LOL

On 4/19/2016 10:33 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> And I knew that even before I was an engineer!
>
> John Kuthe...

I thought you were a nurse, or is a candyass?

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 9:30:54 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On 4/19/2016 10:33 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > And I knew that even before I was an engineer!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> I thought you were a nurse, or is a candyass?

I am a Registered Nurse right now, yes. Working in home care pediatric nursing. Before that I was working as a computer engineer/geek. And before that as a baker!! I am multi-talented!!

John Kuthe...

On 4/20/2016 9:59 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 9:30:54 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On 4/19/2016 10:33 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> And I knew that even before I was an engineer!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> I thought you were a nurse, or is a candyass?
>
> I am a Registered Nurse right now, yes.

Now I'm worried.

> Working in home care pediatric nursing. Before that I was working as a computer engineer/geek. And before that as a baker!!
> I am multi-talented!!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
Is that the same as having a short attention span?

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:38:48 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:33:37 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 4:48:13 PM UTC-5, Janet B wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:06:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
>>> >pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
>>> >departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
>>> >muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
>>> >blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
>>> >himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
>>> >I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
>>> >flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
>>> >all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
>>> >bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
>>> >for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
>>> >attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
>>> >http://i63.tinypic.com/n15ojo.jpg
>>> >http://i66.tinypic.com/34zwy39.jpg
>>> >http://i67.tinypic.com/nbvrtc.jpg
>>> >My feral beauties... Fluff and Ebenezer are always together, and watch
>>> >out for each other:
>>> >http://i64.tinypic.com/2zswg1s.jpg
>>> >
>>> >
>>> that's awful purdy lookin', Sheldon. Good job ;0
>
>Those cats aren't feral, though.

They certainly are feral.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >Those cats aren't feral, though.
>
> They certainly are feral.

I agree with Bruce here, Sheldon. Your cats might start out feral but
once they find your "game reserve" they are slowly turned into
domestic cats that live outside in the barn. You feed them, water
them, create warm shelters in the barn for them. You take care of all
their needs (and that's a good thing).

You have a barn full of tame semi-domesticated cats. When you die,
they will all be hurting unless someone takes over the full care that
you provide. If not, many might die from neglect.

On 4/20/2016 10:01 AM, Gary wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> Those cats aren't feral, though.
>>
>> They certainly are feral.
>
> I agree with Bruce here, Sheldon. Your cats might start out feral but
> once they find your "game reserve" they are slowly turned into
> domestic cats that live outside in the barn. You feed them, water
> them, create warm shelters in the barn for them. You take care of all
> their needs (and that's a good thing).
>
> You have a barn full of tame semi-domesticated cats. When you die,
> they will all be hurting unless someone takes over the full care that
> you provide. If not, many might die from neglect.
>
Sure, he takes care of them. But they still know how to hunt.

Jill

On 4/20/2016 10:01 AM, Gary wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> Those cats aren't feral, though.
>>
>> They certainly are feral.
>
> I agree with Bruce here, Sheldon. Your cats might start out feral but
> once they find your "game reserve" they are slowly turned into
> domestic cats that live outside in the barn. You feed them, water
> them, create warm shelters in the barn for them. You take care of all
> their needs (and that's a good thing).
>
> You have a barn full of tame semi-domesticated cats. When you die,
> they will all be hurting unless someone takes over the full care that
> you provide. If not, many might die from neglect.
>
I have to disagree. Feral are easy to tame as kittens, but once past a
certain age it is hard to turn them back. Even formerly domesticated
cats will revert to feral by instinct if they are "stray" for too long.
I have a former feral, and I only call her that because she's been in my
home for 12 years now, but she is by no means a "normal" domestic cat.
I'm pretty positive she was pregnant when I trapped her but when I had
her spayed I asked them not to tell me.


--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 4/19/2016 10:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:33:37 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 4:48:13 PM UTC-5, Janet B wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:06:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Last week my new diesel tank arrived. It arrived strapped to a wooden
>>>> pallet. The two young guys set it down on one end by my barn and
>>>> departed, so I was able to screw the legs in. But then I had to
>>>> muscle it over in position closer to the barn and get it up on the
>>>> blocks... darn thing is heavy and clumsy, but this old guy managed by
>>>> himself... give me a lever and a fulcrum and I can move the planet...
>>>> I used an 8' 2" x 4" to jockey it into position, lined it up and
>>>> flopped it onto the blocks, then was easy to level. Today I picked up
>>>> all the fittings at the local hardware store in town... that's where I
>>>> bought the blocks last week, four large blocks, 16" X 8" X 5" thick
>>>> for $6, for all... not fancy but strong. It took me all morning to
>>>> attach all the fittings... here it is ready to be filled:
>>>> http://i63.tinypic.com/n15ojo.jpg
>>>> http://i66.tinypic.com/34zwy39.jpg
>>>> http://i67.tinypic.com/nbvrtc.jpg
>>>> My feral beauties... Fluff and Ebenezer are always together, and watch
>>>> out for each other:
>>>> http://i64.tinypic.com/2zswg1s.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>> that's awful purdy lookin', Sheldon. Good job ;0
>
> Those cats aren't feral, though.
>
If they were I'd have et them...