On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:17:22 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-04-04 3:57 PM, graham wrote:
>
>>> This was the 1960s in the Detroit suburbs.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Developed basements, usually with a rec room, laundry, smal bathroom and
>> a spare bedroom, are normal here in western Canada. New houses come with
>> heated basements with insulation down to about 4' below grade. My son is
>> just finishing his with a workshop for his electronics business and a
>> spare bedroom.
>> The basement in my 50+ year old house is still undeveloped, which is
>> unusual in this neighbourhood.
>
>That has been standard in southern Ontario since at least the 1950s.
>New houses typically came with an unfinished basement but most people
>end up finishing them with rec rooms, bedrooms, laundry rooms etc.

And grow rooms. I saw a doco once where a cop claims one in ten houses
in BC have grow rooms.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 05:00:09 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 10:11:12 -0300, wrote:
>
>
>>Basements today vary, young people usually finish them into living
>>space
>
>I thought they used them for grow rooms?

Lol that too and you never want to purchase a house used like that,
mold abounds.

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:15:14 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, Janet B
>>wrote:
>>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
>>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
>>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
>>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
>>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
>>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
>>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
>>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
>>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
>>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
>>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
>>> Janet US
>>
>>If my grandparents were still alive, I'd compliment
>>them on their posh basement. Interior stairs,
>>natural gas heat, and a small play room for me.
>>
>>This was the 1960s in the Detroit suburbs.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I didn't know anyone who lived in a house like that. I imagine I
>would have seen something like that out in the newer neighborhoods.
>I'm guessing my house was at least 100 years old when I lived there.
>Janet US

Certainly the ones I referred to here with bare basements were at
least in that age group. In the early 80s I did a basement finish on
a house then nearing 150 and put in a little apartment. Worked
wonderfully, student in the winter months, gone in late April then we
could use it for summer visitors, best of both worlds.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 21:50:45 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 3:45:48 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 09:36:49 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> When you say 'venison' do you mean deer meat, or really venison, as
>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >> wild meat, killed then hanged in the basement for a couple of weeks
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> 'ripen' ? Just curious.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Venison is always deer meat to me. You hang in the basement for a
>>>>> >couple of weeks to 'ripen'?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Are you serious?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Can we say *ROTTEN MEAT*, boys and girls?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I'm afraid to ask what else you keep in that creepy basement
>>>>> >of yours. hehehh
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing wrong with dry aging meat for two weeks... or even longer than
>>>>> that. It doesnt rot. If it did, then a lot of gourmet butchers would
>>>>> have problems. Obviously you need low temperatures to do this. I
>>>>> generally hang sheep, venison or wallaby for at least 5 days.
>>>>
>>>>That may be part of our dissonance on the subject. So much of America
>>>>spends its time outside the safe zone for meat that we can't envision
>>>>hanging meat (as we dig into our professionally dry-aged steaks).
>>>
>>> I think that holds true for much of Australia as well in terms of
>>> climate. Of course, you can always use a cool room to get around any
>>> such issues. When it is too warm to hang naturally, I use a modified
>>> 215L chest freezer. I removed the door and built a cabinet that sits
>>> on top where the door used to be. I can comfortably hang two sides of
>>> lamb/mutton, venison or wallaby/roo in there at around 2°C (a temp I
>>> think is about ideal).
>>
>>What a wonderful idea! What temp do you have the freezer?
>
> Around 2°C, ideally.

Interesting, thanks!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:20:50 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:57:42 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 04/04/2016 10:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, Janet B
>>> wrote:
>>>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
>>>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
>>>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
>>>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
>>>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
>>>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
>>>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
>>>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
>>>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
>>>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
>>>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> If my grandparents were still alive, I'd compliment
>>> them on their posh basement. Interior stairs,
>>> natural gas heat, and a small play room for me.
>>>
>>> This was the 1960s in the Detroit suburbs.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>Developed basements, usually with a rec room, laundry, smal bathroom
>>and a spare bedroom, are normal here in western Canada. New houses come
>>with heated basements with insulation down to about 4' below grade. My
>>son is just finishing his with a workshop for his electronics business
>>and a spare bedroom.
>>The basement in my 50+ year old house is still undeveloped, which is
>>unusual in this neighbourhood.
>
>Not many basements in some parts of this state. You'd have to blast
>through the lava first.
>Janet US

We're on granite but they usually build up.

On 04/04/2016 2:57 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:20:50 -0600, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:57:42 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/04/2016 10:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, Janet B
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
>>>>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
>>>>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
>>>>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
>>>>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
>>>>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
>>>>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
>>>>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
>>>>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
>>>>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
>>>>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>> If my grandparents were still alive, I'd compliment
>>>> them on their posh basement. Interior stairs,
>>>> natural gas heat, and a small play room for me.
>>>>
>>>> This was the 1960s in the Detroit suburbs.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> Developed basements, usually with a rec room, laundry, smal bathroom
>>> and a spare bedroom, are normal here in western Canada. New houses come
>>> with heated basements with insulation down to about 4' below grade. My
>>> son is just finishing his with a workshop for his electronics business
>>> and a spare bedroom.
>>> The basement in my 50+ year old house is still undeveloped, which is
>>> unusual in this neighbourhood.
>>
>> Not many basements in some parts of this state. You'd have to blast
>> through the lava first.
>> Janet US
>
> We're on granite but they usually build up.
>
You wouldn't want a basement over granite without a very good
ventilation system - radon!

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:12:36 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 04/04/2016 2:57 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:20:50 -0600, Janet B >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:57:42 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/04/2016 10:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, Janet B
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
>>>>>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
>>>>>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
>>>>>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
>>>>>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
>>>>>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
>>>>>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
>>>>>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
>>>>>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
>>>>>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
>>>>>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>> If my grandparents were still alive, I'd compliment
>>>>> them on their posh basement. Interior stairs,
>>>>> natural gas heat, and a small play room for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was the 1960s in the Detroit suburbs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>> Developed basements, usually with a rec room, laundry, smal bathroom
>>>> and a spare bedroom, are normal here in western Canada. New houses come
>>>> with heated basements with insulation down to about 4' below grade. My
>>>> son is just finishing his with a workshop for his electronics business
>>>> and a spare bedroom.
>>>> The basement in my 50+ year old house is still undeveloped, which is
>>>> unusual in this neighbourhood.
>>>
>>> Not many basements in some parts of this state. You'd have to blast
>>> through the lava first.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> We're on granite but they usually build up.
>>
>You wouldn't want a basement over granite without a very good
>ventilation system - radon!

They didn't know that then lol Now people have radon detectors just
in case. No option but to build on granite here, the line occurs half
way to the Annapolis Valley. Oddly enough the efts are black on one
side and red on the other, can't remember which way round.

On 4/4/2016 4:27 PM, Je�us wrote:

>
> And grow rooms. I saw a doco once where a cop claims one in ten houses
> in BC have grow rooms.
>

Nothing like fresh parsley and oregano.

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 4:55:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:15:14 -0600, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, Janet B
> >>wrote:
> >>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
> >>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
> >>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
> >>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
> >>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
> >>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
> >>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
> >>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
> >>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
> >>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
> >>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
> >>> Janet US
> >>
> >>If my grandparents were still alive, I'd compliment
> >>them on their posh basement. Interior stairs,
> >>natural gas heat, and a small play room for me.
> >>
> >>This was the 1960s in the Detroit suburbs.
> >>
> >>Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >I didn't know anyone who lived in a house like that. I imagine I
> >would have seen something like that out in the newer neighborhoods.
> >I'm guessing my house was at least 100 years old when I lived there.
> >Janet US
>
> Certainly the ones I referred to here with bare basements were at
> least in that age group. In the early 80s I did a basement finish on
> a house then nearing 150 and put in a little apartment. Worked
> wonderfully, student in the winter months, gone in late April then we
> could use it for summer visitors, best of both worlds.

Very few houses hereabouts are that old, since Michigan was settled
primarily in the mid-1800s. The vast majority of houses here are
post WWII--5 out of every 6 houses were built after 1940.

Nevertheless, bare basements are commonplace. DH and I think people
who finish basements in our specific locale are fools, because the
clay soil makes for water trouble.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:19:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 4:55:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:15:14 -0600, Janet B >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, Janet B
>> >>wrote:
>> >>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
>> >>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
>> >>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
>> >>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
>> >>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
>> >>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
>> >>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
>> >>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
>> >>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
>> >>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
>> >>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
>> >>> Janet US
>> >>
>> >>If my grandparents were still alive, I'd compliment
>> >>them on their posh basement. Interior stairs,
>> >>natural gas heat, and a small play room for me.
>> >>
>> >>This was the 1960s in the Detroit suburbs.
>> >>
>> >>Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> >I didn't know anyone who lived in a house like that. I imagine I
>> >would have seen something like that out in the newer neighborhoods.
>> >I'm guessing my house was at least 100 years old when I lived there.
>> >Janet US
>>
>> Certainly the ones I referred to here with bare basements were at
>> least in that age group. In the early 80s I did a basement finish on
>> a house then nearing 150 and put in a little apartment. Worked
>> wonderfully, student in the winter months, gone in late April then we
>> could use it for summer visitors, best of both worlds.
>
>Very few houses hereabouts are that old, since Michigan was settled
>primarily in the mid-1800s. The vast majority of houses here are
>post WWII--5 out of every 6 houses were built after 1940.
>
>Nevertheless, bare basements are commonplace. DH and I think people
>who finish basements in our specific locale are fools, because the
>clay soil makes for water trouble.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

With modern construction techniques the wet basement is a thing of the
past. With today's new foundation materials it's easy to construct a
waterproof basement. Naturally one needs to do their research and
most importantly engage a knowlegable and *honest* builder... builders
will cheat, you need to be right on top of them.

In article >, says...
>
> wrote:
> >
> > When you say 'venison' do you mean deer meat, or really venison, as in
> > wild meat, killed then hanged in the basement for a couple of weeks to
> > 'ripen' ? Just curious.
>
> Venison is always deer meat to me. You hang in the basement for a
> couple of weeks to 'ripen'?
>
> Are you serious?
>
> Can we say *ROTTEN MEAT*, boys and girls?

?

The beef we eat has been hung for at least three weeks before cutting,
and preferably four.

http://www.lovefood.com/journal/feat...well-hung-beef

Janet UK

In article >, lid
says...
>
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> >
> >> I am curious what others do with this?
> >
> >It depends what cut. My husband got some tenderloin from a friend,
> >and he cuts it into medallions, pounds them a little to flatten,
> >sautees in (I believe) bacon fat and makes a steak sandwich.
>
> That does sound very good. I don't think I've ever made a sandwich
> from venison for no particular reason...
>
> >Venison stew is always a crowd-pleaser; you can use your favorite
> >beef stew recipe.
>
> Yes, pretty much what is good for beef is also good for venison.

One of the locals used to make and sell hot bambiburgers (using local
wild deer) they were really good.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> On 2016-04-04 10:46 AM, wrote:
> > I need a dog to help me find deer antlers.
> >
>
> Mine seems to find nice ripe deer carcasses, but never antlers.


Fallen antlers get snatched up here to sell to tourists; or made into
handles on walking sticks and crooks.

Janet UK

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 9:55:03 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > When you say 'venison' do you mean deer meat, or really venison, as in
> > > wild meat, killed then hanged in the basement for a couple of weeks to
> > > 'ripen' ? Just curious.
> >
> > Venison is always deer meat to me. You hang in the basement for a
> > couple of weeks to 'ripen'?
> >
> > Are you serious?
> >
> > Can we say *ROTTEN MEAT*, boys and girls?
>
> ?
>
> The beef we eat has been hung for at least three weeks before cutting,
> and preferably four.
>
> http://www.lovefood.com/journal/feat...well-hung-beef
>
> Janet UK

I'm sure that you too would be tender if hung for three weeks. Possibly a bit ripe as well.

When I was a meat cutter, it used to tee me off when our buyer would tag beef that only had three days of age on it. Really aged beef has more waste from shrinkage and rot so should be higher priced. Consumers don't like to pay that extra cost as a rule. Hence, they get un-aged beef and then bitch when it is tough.
====

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 9:27:14 AM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:19:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 4:55:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:15:14 -0600, Janet B >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, Janet B
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
> >> >>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
> >> >>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
> >> >>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
> >> >>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
> >> >>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
> >> >>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
> >> >>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
> >> >>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
> >> >>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
> >> >>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
> >> >>> Janet US
> >> >>
> >> >>If my grandparents were still alive, I'd compliment
> >> >>them on their posh basement. Interior stairs,
> >> >>natural gas heat, and a small play room for me.
> >> >>
> >> >>This was the 1960s in the Detroit suburbs.
> >> >>
> >> >>Cindy Hamilton
> >> >
> >> >I didn't know anyone who lived in a house like that. I imagine I
> >> >would have seen something like that out in the newer neighborhoods.
> >> >I'm guessing my house was at least 100 years old when I lived there.
> >> >Janet US
> >>
> >> Certainly the ones I referred to here with bare basements were at
> >> least in that age group. In the early 80s I did a basement finish on
> >> a house then nearing 150 and put in a little apartment. Worked
> >> wonderfully, student in the winter months, gone in late April then we
> >> could use it for summer visitors, best of both worlds.
> >
> >Very few houses hereabouts are that old, since Michigan was settled
> >primarily in the mid-1800s. The vast majority of houses here are
> >post WWII--5 out of every 6 houses were built after 1940.
> >
> >Nevertheless, bare basements are commonplace. DH and I think people
> >who finish basements in our specific locale are fools, because the
> >clay soil makes for water trouble.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> With modern construction techniques the wet basement is a thing of the
> past. With today's new foundation materials it's easy to construct a
> waterproof basement. Naturally one needs to do their research and
> most importantly engage a knowlegable and *honest* builder... builders
> will cheat, you need to be right on top of them.

With a house built in, say, 1948, it's nontrivial to
deal with water problems. Easier to live with a little
dampness and forsake the idea of finishing the basement.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:04:14 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, lid
>says...
>>
>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am curious what others do with this?
>> >
>> >It depends what cut. My husband got some tenderloin from a friend,
>> >and he cuts it into medallions, pounds them a little to flatten,
>> >sautees in (I believe) bacon fat and makes a steak sandwich.
>>
>> That does sound very good. I don't think I've ever made a sandwich
>> from venison for no particular reason...
>>
>> >Venison stew is always a crowd-pleaser; you can use your favorite
>> >beef stew recipe.
>>
>> Yes, pretty much what is good for beef is also good for venison.
>
> One of the locals used to make and sell hot bambiburgers (using local
>wild deer) they were really good.
>
> Janet UK

My SIL also makes bamberoni which is very tasty.

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:52:31 -0300, wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 05:00:09 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 10:11:12 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Basements today vary, young people usually finish them into living
>>>space
>>
>>I thought they used them for grow rooms?
>
>Lol that too and you never want to purchase a house used like that,
>mold abounds.

Yes, I could see mould being an issue growing indoors like that.

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:46:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/4/2016 4:27 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>>
>> And grow rooms. I saw a doco once where a cop claims one in ten houses
>> in BC have grow rooms.
>>
>
>Nothing like fresh parsley and oregano.

Exactly, Ed. Some people will go to any lengths to have fresh parsley
and oregano.

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:04:14 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, lid
>says...
>>
>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am curious what others do with this?
>> >
>> >It depends what cut. My husband got some tenderloin from a friend,
>> >and he cuts it into medallions, pounds them a little to flatten,
>> >sautees in (I believe) bacon fat and makes a steak sandwich.
>>
>> That does sound very good. I don't think I've ever made a sandwich
>> from venison for no particular reason...
>>
>> >Venison stew is always a crowd-pleaser; you can use your favorite
>> >beef stew recipe.
>>
>> Yes, pretty much what is good for beef is also good for venison.
>
> One of the locals used to make and sell hot bambiburgers (using local
>wild deer) they were really good.

Ooh, I could eat one of those right now for breakfast!

On 4/5/2016 1:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> With a house built in, say, 1948, it's nontrivial to
> deal with water problems. Easier to live with a little
> dampness and forsake the idea of finishing the basement.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

By now it should be evident if it is a problem. It is was dry all those
years I'd finish it, but if damp, I'd just buy a dehumidifier and be done.

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 06:12:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:52:31 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 05:00:09 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 10:11:12 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Basements today vary, young people usually finish them into living
>>>>space
>>>
>>>I thought they used them for grow rooms?
>>
>>Lol that too and you never want to purchase a house used like that,
>>mold abounds.
>
>Yes, I could see mould being an issue growing indoors like that.

It has to be revealed on real estate deals here, too many people had
disasters with it.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:43:21 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 06:12:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:52:31 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 05:00:09 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 10:11:12 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Basements today vary, young people usually finish them into living
>>>>>space
>>>>
>>>>I thought they used them for grow rooms?
>>>
>>>Lol that too and you never want to purchase a house used like that,
>>>mold abounds.
>>
>>Yes, I could see mould being an issue growing indoors like that.
>
>It has to be revealed on real estate deals here, too many people had
>disasters with it.

I can imagine, especially in that sort of climate.

In article >, Janet B
> wrote:

> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.

The very first basement I ever encountered was in Abilene, KS. We were
visiting Grandma for a extended period of time in about 1951. The
basement scared hell out of me. It had a coal chute that just dumped
into a open floor bin. There was a ominous boiler. It was dim with the
only light coming through the coal chute opening and a flickering light
from the wheezing, evil boiler. The stairs were wooden and steep. I
know there was a dragon in the shadows, because I'm sure that I saw it.
I was five and have never forgotten "the cellar". I've been in nicely
appointed basements since and am fine in those. But, that thing...
So! You've been there, done that. I skipped out early with glee in my
heart.

leo

On 4/4/2016 10:46 AM, Janet B wrote:

> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.

Sounds almost exactly like the basement in my paternal grandparents
house. It wasn't designed for a living space - it had creaky wooden
stairs and was meant only for storage. I can't remember the lighting
though. It was probably like you describe, though theirs was probably
all one big room under the house, or maybe a smaller room off to the
side. It was in MA. There was even a cement set of stairs with a wooden
lid at an angle as a separate entrance from the outside, as you
described. You'd have to prop the wooden lid open with the wooden stick
thing if you were going down there from outside. I also don't think
that was fully underground.

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 19:17:45 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Janet B
> wrote:
>
>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
>
>The very first basement I ever encountered was in Abilene, KS. We were
>visiting Grandma for a extended period of time in about 1951. The
>basement scared hell out of me. It had a coal chute that just dumped
>into a open floor bin. There was a ominous boiler. It was dim with the
>only light coming through the coal chute opening and a flickering light
>from the wheezing, evil boiler. The stairs were wooden and steep. I
>know there was a dragon in the shadows, because I'm sure that I saw it.
>I was five and have never forgotten "the cellar". I've been in nicely
>appointed basements since and am fine in those. But, that thing...
>So! You've been there, done that. I skipped out early with glee in my
>heart.
>
>leo
I don't know if you have noticed, but Hollywood uses that kind of
basement for slasher and horror movies
Janet US

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 22:19:07 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 4/4/2016 10:46 AM, Janet B wrote:
>
>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
>
>Sounds almost exactly like the basement in my paternal grandparents
>house. It wasn't designed for a living space - it had creaky wooden
>stairs and was meant only for storage. I can't remember the lighting
>though. It was probably like you describe, though theirs was probably
>all one big room under the house, or maybe a smaller room off to the
>side. It was in MA. There was even a cement set of stairs with a wooden
>lid at an angle as a separate entrance from the outside, as you
>described. You'd have to prop the wooden lid open with the wooden stick
>thing if you were going down there from outside. I also don't think
>that was fully underground.

I think you're right about not being fully underground. There were
windows at sidewalk level. Mother did her weekly wash down there and
hung the wash as well. Everything was cement or stone.
When my parents went to meetings at night I was always really scared
because the door to the basement was just a simple thing.
When these houses were built, no one worried about intruders breaking
in so you didn't need sturdy doors to the outside.
Janet US

"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Janet B
> > wrote:
>
>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
>
> The very first basement I ever encountered was in Abilene, KS. We were
> visiting Grandma for a extended period of time in about 1951. The
> basement scared hell out of me. It had a coal chute that just dumped
> into a open floor bin. There was a ominous boiler. It was dim with the
> only light coming through the coal chute opening and a flickering light
> from the wheezing, evil boiler. The stairs were wooden and steep. I
> know there was a dragon in the shadows, because I'm sure that I saw it.
> I was five and have never forgotten "the cellar". I've been in nicely
> appointed basements since and am fine in those. But, that thing...
> So! You've been there, done that. I skipped out early with glee in my
> heart.

You were very clever to have escaped that dragon!!!

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In article >, Ophelia
> wrote:

> You were very clever to have escaped that dragon!!!

I was! But Janet B is a heroine. She lived over a dragon for years. I
only did six months of hard time before Mom took me back to a world
without cellars and tornadoes. Now I just shake, rattle and roll during
earthquakes.

leo

"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Ophelia
> > wrote:
>
>> You were very clever to have escaped that dragon!!!
>
> I was! But Janet B is a heroine. She lived over a dragon for years. I
> only did six months of hard time before Mom took me back to a world
> without cellars and tornadoes. Now I just shake, rattle and roll during
> earthquakes.

LOL

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On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 5:40:19 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/5/2016 1:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> >
> > With a house built in, say, 1948, it's nontrivial to
> > deal with water problems. Easier to live with a little
> > dampness and forsake the idea of finishing the basement.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> By now it should be evident if it is a problem. It is was dry all those
> years I'd finish it, but if damp, I'd just buy a dehumidifier and be done.

That's pretty much what we've done. The fact that the ceiling
height is not much over 6 feet is another reason not to try to
finish it. There are places where the HVAC plenum makes it
even shorter. Good thing I'm 5'8" and not 5'9", or I'd
bump my head every time I came down the stairs.

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/4/2016 8:25 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Gary, you live in a warm climate. Pretty much on the beach, right? Of
>> course you wouldn't be hanging meat in the basement. Do you even *have*
>> a basement?! :-D
>
> Yeah, I live less than one mile from the ocean as the seagull flys.
> Apartments don't have basements, Jill. heheh
> But I do live over one. This is why I live in a 1st floor apt.,
> yet I'm about 5-6 feet above ground level.
>
> The rare basements in my area are not full ones. Here they go about
> 3-4 feet underground then the rest is above ground. Dig any
> lower and you hit the water table. I'm guessing it's the same
> deal in the Dataw area - no full basements.
>
> When growing up though, full basements were very common and standard
> in those areas. All were heated and used as normal living spaces too.
>
True, when my brothers and I were kids living "up north" the houses all
had finished/heated basements. That's true of both of the houses we
lived in in Annandale, Virginia and also Woodbridge, VA. This was back
in the 1960's. I'm guessing the houses were built in the 50's, possibly
even the 40's. The basement was where the "TV room" was, also the
laundry room and storage space. One of the houses had a bedroom which
my oldest brother occupied. No hanging meat in any of those basements!

I doubt any house on this string of islands has a basement due to the
water table. When you get into Beaufort there are some very stately
older homes (circa 1800's) with basements but they are on much higher
ground.

Jill

On 4/4/2016 12:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-4, Janet B
> wrote:
>> the basement under the house where I grew up was a scary place that
>> children didn't want to go. It was lit by a light bulb in each room.
>> You had to be brave to travel to the center of the room and pull the
>> string to light the bulb. Various rooms wandered off in different
>> directions. All rooms were rough made and obviously meant for storage
>> and such. There were the rooms that were coal bins in the winter
>> (coal came in through the window.) There was the furnace room, eerily
>> lit by flickering flames only in winter, otherwise totally dark. It
>> was a very cold place because the outdoor access was cement stairs
>> covered by a drop down wooden lid. This kind of basement was very
>> common in older houses in the upper mid-west.
>> Janet US
>
> If my grandparents were still alive, I'd compliment
> them on their posh basement. Interior stairs,
> natural gas heat, and a small play room for me.
>
> This was the 1960s in the Detroit suburbs.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Both of my grandparents houses (they lived next door to each other) in
Ohio had interior stairs. The houses were built around 1900. They did
have a coal room with exterior coal chutes but by the first time I
visited them they'd long since stopped using coal.

My paternal grandmother's house had (likely still has) laundry chutes.
There was a big basket hanging in the middle of the basement to catch
the clothes as they tumbled down the chute.

I'm told my maternal grandparents' house had laundry chutes at one time
but grandpa did some renovations and blocked them off.

Still, the basements were sort of finished and definitely heated, even
if they were heated less than the floors above.

Jill

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:50:25 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/4/2016 8:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Gary, you live in a warm climate. Pretty much on the beach, right? Of
>>> course you wouldn't be hanging meat in the basement. Do you even *have*
>>> a basement?! :-D
>>
>> Yeah, I live less than one mile from the ocean as the seagull flys.
>> Apartments don't have basements, Jill. heheh
>> But I do live over one. This is why I live in a 1st floor apt.,
>> yet I'm about 5-6 feet above ground level.
>>
>> The rare basements in my area are not full ones. Here they go about
>> 3-4 feet underground then the rest is above ground. Dig any
>> lower and you hit the water table. I'm guessing it's the same
>> deal in the Dataw area - no full basements.
>>
>> When growing up though, full basements were very common and standard
>> in those areas. All were heated and used as normal living spaces too.
>>
>True, when my brothers and I were kids living "up north" the houses all
>had finished/heated basements. That's true of both of the houses we
>lived in in Annandale, Virginia and also Woodbridge, VA. This was back
>in the 1960's. I'm guessing the houses were built in the 50's, possibly
>even the 40's. The basement was where the "TV room" was, also the
>laundry room and storage space. One of the houses had a bedroom which
>my oldest brother occupied. No hanging meat in any of those basements!
>
>I doubt any house on this string of islands has a basement due to the
>water table. When you get into Beaufort there are some very stately
>older homes (circa 1800's) with basements but they are on much higher
>ground.
>
>Jill

A long time ago when I was selling real estate, I would check out some
of those stately houses circa 1800's. The cellar in them made the one
in my folk's house look like a Holiday Inn. They were scary even for
an adult.
Janet US

On 4/6/2016 1:18 AM, Janet B wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 19:17:45 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> > wrote:
>
>> The very first basement I ever encountered was in Abilene, KS. We were
>> visiting Grandma for a extended period of time in about 1951. The
>> basement scared hell out of me. It had a coal chute that just dumped
>> into a open floor bin. There was a ominous boiler. It was dim with the
>> only light coming through the coal chute opening and a flickering light
>>from the wheezing, evil boiler. The stairs were wooden and steep. I
>> know there was a dragon in the shadows, because I'm sure that I saw it.
>> I was five and have never forgotten "the cellar". I've been in nicely
>> appointed basements since and am fine in those. But, that thing...
>> So! You've been there, done that. I skipped out early with glee in my
>> heart.
>>
>> leo
> I don't know if you have noticed, but Hollywood uses that kind of
> basement for slasher and horror movies
> Janet US
>
I have to wonder why those stupid teenagers insist on exploring dark
scary basements right after discovering one or more of their friends
dead.

Jill

On 4/6/2016 10:34 AM, Janet B wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:50:25 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> I doubt any house on this string of islands has a basement due to the
>> water table. When you get into Beaufort there are some very stately
>> older homes (circa 1800's) with basements but they are on much higher
>> ground.
>>
>> Jill
>
> A long time ago when I was selling real estate, I would check out some
> of those stately houses circa 1800's. The cellar in them made the one
> in my folk's house look like a Holiday Inn. They were scary even for
> an adult.
> Janet US
>
Holiday Inn! LOL I can't say I've ever seen the basements in any of
these stately homes. Most have them have been turned into B&B's. The
basements *might* have wine cellars which hark back to the old days of
glorious mansions along the waterfront...

Jill

On 06/04/2016 8:34 AM, Janet B wrote:

> A long time ago when I was selling real estate, I would check out some
> of those stately houses circa 1800's. The cellar in them made the one
> in my folk's house look like a Holiday Inn. They were scary even for
> an adult.
> Janet US
>
My son built a huge house last year for the VP of a fracking company.
The basement had underfloor heating and even a large area under the
garage that was going to become a gym with a high enough ceiling for a
basket ball hoop.
He has built others that have sections of underfloor cooling for wine
cellars. Also others with special lifts to take the Ferrari into
basement storage.
Graham

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 11:36:31 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:

> I have to wonder why those stupid teenagers insist on exploring dark
> scary basements right after discovering one or more of their friends
> dead.

Here's a very funny Geico commercial on that theme:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TJCEDW1xoA>

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/6/2016 12:56 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 11:36:31 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
>> I have to wonder why those stupid teenagers insist on exploring dark
>> scary basements right after discovering one or more of their friends
>> dead.
>
> Here's a very funny Geico commercial on that theme:
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TJCEDW1xoA>
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I try not to pay much attention to commercials but I love that one! "If
you're in a horror movie, you make poor decisions." It's so funny how
the evil nemesis takes off his mask and just shakes his head at their
stupidity. Great commercial but it doesn't make me want to change my
car insurance.

Jill

On 4/6/2016 1:29 AM, Janet B wrote:

> I think you're right about not being fully underground. There were
> windows at sidewalk level. Mother did her weekly wash down there and
> hung the wash as well. Everything was cement or stone.
> When my parents went to meetings at night I was always really scared
> because the door to the basement was just a simple thing.
> When these houses were built, no one worried about intruders breaking
> in so you didn't need sturdy doors to the outside.

You just made me think of something else about their house. They had in
the ground trash cans. As in heavy metal hinged lids at ground level
with the trash receptacle under ground so that critters couldn't get
into the trash. I never saw them take the trash to the front so I don't
know if they put bags in there or if there was a plastic trash can liner.

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On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 2:49:03 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 10:11:57 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > When you say 'venison' do you mean deer meat, or really venison, as
> >> > in wild meat, killed then hanged in the basement for a couple of
> >> > weeks to 'ripen' ? Just curious.
> >>
> >> Venison is always deer meat to me. You hang in the basement for a
> >> couple of weeks to 'ripen'?
> >>
> >> Are you serious?
> >>
> >> Can we say *ROTTEN MEAT*, boys and girls?
> >>
> >> I'm afraid to ask what else you keep in that creepy basement
> >> of yours. hehehh
> >
> >Sounds odd to me too! Now slow skoking in a smoke house is done
> >sometimes, but that is different.
>
> Google 'high meat' if you think dry aging meat is bad <G>
> I'm open minded with food, but I draw the line with high meat.

Then there's long pig. Can you imagine long pig high meat?

--Bryan