On 12/19/2015 6:57 PM, graham wrote:

> Look at the list of upgrades and bug fixes that they installed and
> Uninstall:
>
> KB3114409
>
> That's what I did and everything is normal.

Thank you! Fixed it perfectly and no reboot needed.


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On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:46:29 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Luckily, I was able to revert to Windows 8 on the desktop and 7 on the
> laptop.

Your w7 was so old literally everything needed upgrading, sometimes it
means more than just new drivers that's why I don't upgrade old
machines. Let the die with dignity and then move on.

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sf

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:40:47 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Had the opposite problem. The sound on my W7 computer used to drop out
> after a few days and had to reboot. W10 upgrade fixed it.

Rebooting is that big of a deal?

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On 12/19/2015 10:57 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:40:47 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> Had the opposite problem. The sound on my W7 computer used to drop out
>> after a few days and had to reboot. W10 upgrade fixed it.
>
> Rebooting is that big of a deal?
>

Sometimes it is, like when I'm doing serious work. When I have a lot of
things open being worked on they have to be closed, re-booted, reopened
and your train of thought is interrupted.

Reading newsgroups, no big deal. Doing editing of information and
working in a relational database, yes.

On 20/12/2015 15:06 Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 12/19/2015 10:57 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:40:47 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> Had the opposite problem. The sound on my W7 computer used to drop out
>>> after a few days and had to reboot. W10 upgrade fixed it.
>>
>> Rebooting is that big of a deal?
>>
>
> Sometimes it is, like when I'm doing serious work. When I have a lot of
> things open being worked on they have to be closed, re-booted, reopened
> and your train of thought is interrupted.

Doesn't it get interrupted when you have dinner or go to bed? Or maybe
you have extremely long trains of thought.

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On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 23:06:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 12/19/2015 10:57 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:40:47 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> Had the opposite problem. The sound on my W7 computer used to drop out
> >> after a few days and had to reboot. W10 upgrade fixed it.
> >
> > Rebooting is that big of a deal?
> >
>
> Sometimes it is, like when I'm doing serious work. When I have a lot of
> things open being worked on they have to be closed, re-booted, reopened
> and your train of thought is interrupted.
>
> Reading newsgroups, no big deal. Doing editing of information and
> working in a relational database, yes.

Why don't you shut down the computer at the end of the day instead of
running it continually?

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sf

On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 7:57:07 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 23:06:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > On 12/19/2015 10:57 PM, sf wrote:
> > > On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:40:47 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Had the opposite problem. The sound on my W7 computer used to drop out
> > >> after a few days and had to reboot. W10 upgrade fixed it.
> > >
> > > Rebooting is that big of a deal?
> > >
> >
> > Sometimes it is, like when I'm doing serious work. When I have a lot of
> > things open being worked on they have to be closed, re-booted, reopened
> > and your train of thought is interrupted.
> >
> > Reading newsgroups, no big deal. Doing editing of information and
> > working in a relational database, yes.
>
> Why don't you shut down the computer at the end of the day instead of
> running it continually?
>
> --
>
> sf

Old computer guys seem to do that. My father-in-law did that. I don't know why. Force of habit I guess.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:53:36 -0800, sf wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:46:29 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Luckily, I was able to revert to Windows 8 on the desktop and 7 on the
>>> laptop.
>>
>> Your w7 was so old literally everything needed upgrading, sometimes it
>> means more than just new drivers that's why I don't upgrade old
>> machines. Let the die with dignity and then move on.
>
> If only Barbara could apply that same theory to her own life.

Kettle calling the pot black, springs to mind.


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On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:46:29 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> It turned
> out to be a video of a man who, I think, was explaining how to fix it.
> I don't know because I didn't have any audio.

On one of my Win10 laptops an update changed the default output from
speakers to headphones. Went into Control Panel -> Sound for the easy
fix. I'm wondering if you checked that before you rolled your boxes
back?

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I don't mean to impose,
but I am the Ocean."

~ The Salton Sea

On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 2:44:17 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 7:57:07 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 23:06:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> > > On 12/19/2015 10:57 PM, sf wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:40:47 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Had the opposite problem. The sound on my W7 computer used to drop out
> > > >> after a few days and had to reboot. W10 upgrade fixed it.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooting is that big of a deal?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sometimes it is, like when I'm doing serious work. When I have a lot of
> > > things open being worked on they have to be closed, re-booted, reopened
> > > and your train of thought is interrupted.
> > >
> > > Reading newsgroups, no big deal. Doing editing of information and
> > > working in a relational database, yes.
> >
> > Why don't you shut down the computer at the end of the day instead of
> > running it continually?
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> Old computer guys seem to do that. My father-in-law did that. I don't know why. Force of habit I guess.

I shut down my home PC every night. It doesn't need to be talking
to the Internet without me.

At work, the official software build runs on my PC every night, so
I leave it on all of the time. We've got a bigass firewall between
it and the outside world.

Cindy Hamilton

On 12/20/2015 2:44 AM, dsi1 wrote:

>>>> Rebooting is that big of a deal?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes it is, like when I'm doing serious work. When I have a lot of
>>> things open being worked on they have to be closed, re-booted, reopened
>>> and your train of thought is interrupted.
>>>
>>> Reading newsgroups, no big deal. Doing editing of information and
>>> working in a relational database, yes.
>>
>> Why don't you shut down the computer at the end of the day instead of
>> running it continually?
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> Old computer guys seem to do that. My father-in-law did that. I don't know why. Force of habit I guess.
>

I used to shut down every night, but putting it to sleep uses very
little energy and everything is ready to go. Not life changing, just
convenient. If I'm going to be away for a day it gets shut down.

Cindy Hamilton > wrote in
:

> I shut down my home PC every night. It doesn't need to be
> talking to the Internet without me.

I have been running it 24/7 for years (I like OS updates and
malware checks done at 2AM) but as I will be upgrading my
computer to a solid state drive with 8Gb memory running
Windows 10 and a much faster processor, I will start turning
it off at night.

(Nattering nabobs of negativity abstain from comments please)

Booting which currently takes about five minutes (if there
is no OS update) will take three seconds. So will power down.

> At work, the official software build runs on my PC every
> night, so I leave it on all of the time. We've got a bigass
> firewall between it and the outside world.

That was the case at work as well. Updates and requested
backups were done at night.

My wife also works for the government but her department
insists on a total shutdown outside of work hours. Different
strokes...

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Ed Pawlowski > wrote in
:

> I used to shut down every night, but putting it to sleep uses
> very little energy and everything is ready to go. Not life
> changing, just convenient. If I'm going to be away for a day
> it gets shut down.

If you are upgrading, go for a solid state drive.

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Sqwertz wrote:
> If only Barbara could apply that same theory to her own life.
>
> -sw


**** off straight to HELL you miserable woman-stalker!

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:57:08 -0800, sf wrote:
>
>> Rebooting is that big of a deal?
>
> For you it should be.
>
> -sw
>

DROP DEAD WOMAN STALKER!

Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:53:36 -0800, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:46:29 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Luckily, I was able to revert to Windows 8 on the desktop and 7 on the
>>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> Your w7 was so old literally everything needed upgrading, sometimes it
>>> means more than just new drivers that's why I don't upgrade old
>>> machines. Let the die with dignity and then move on.
>>
>> If only Barbara could apply that same theory to her own life.
>
> Kettle calling the pot black, springs to mind.
>
>
Woman stalker who needs to be beaten down with impunity...

Michel Boucher wrote:
> My wife also works for the government

Oh wotta surprise, Frenchy and his squeeze are both gubmint whores...

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I shut down my home PC every night. It doesn't need to be talking
> to the Internet without me.

I shut down mine too most nights and always before I leave for work
for the day. If you're not going to use the machine for several hours,
best to turn it off. Doing that can reset things but more importantly,
it turns off your hard drive. Hard drive is the only physical thing
constantly moving in a computer. All that spinning is what wears them
out eventually and you get a crash. I've never had a hard drive go
bad.

When sf's hard drives slow down, she replaces them. When mine slow
down, I run defrag and fix them.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I used to shut down every night, but putting it to sleep uses very
> little energy and everything is ready to go. Not life changing, just
> convenient. If I'm going to be away for a day it gets shut down.

Total shutdown (cold start) is good at least occasionally, imo. Many
times, your system resources get sucked up and cold start is good to
reset it all and give you back SRs. It also saves wear and tear on
the harddrive. No need for that to be spinning if it won't be used for
many hours.

Michel Boucher wrote:
>
> My wife also works for the government but her department
> insists on a total shutdown outside of work hours. Different
> strokes...

It's good policy. Restart and boot will happen while you drink your
morning coffee.

On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 5:00:46 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 2:44:17 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 7:57:07 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > > On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 23:06:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 12/19/2015 10:57 PM, sf wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:40:47 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Had the opposite problem. The sound on my W7 computer used to drop out
> > > > >> after a few days and had to reboot. W10 upgrade fixed it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooting is that big of a deal?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes it is, like when I'm doing serious work. When I have a lot of
> > > > things open being worked on they have to be closed, re-booted, reopened
> > > > and your train of thought is interrupted.
> > > >
> > > > Reading newsgroups, no big deal. Doing editing of information and
> > > > working in a relational database, yes.
> > >
> > > Why don't you shut down the computer at the end of the day instead of
> > > running it continually?
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > sf
> >
> > Old computer guys seem to do that. My father-in-law did that. I don't know why. Force of habit I guess.
>
> I shut down my home PC every night. It doesn't need to be talking
> to the Internet without me.
>
> At work, the official software build runs on my PC every night, so
> I leave it on all of the time. We've got a bigass firewall between
> it and the outside world.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

My guess is my father-in-law kept some kind of connection all the time between his work computer and home computer. He was on call pretty much all the time. My sister-in-law is the same way. It's a pretty shitty deal. People were always calling them all the time and their real life had to stop until problems were fixed or answers were given.

On 2015-12-20 10:30 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:

> My wife also works for the government but her department
> insists on a total shutdown outside of work hours. Different
> strokes...
>


I worked for the government and our earlier terminals were driven by a
floppy. We turned them off at the end of our shifts and booted them up
at when we went back to work. Later systems ran 24/7 and we just had
to log on.

On 12/20/2015 2:34 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> For you it should be.
>
> -sw
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ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

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And before that the subhuman virus stalked poor Omelet right of the net!

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ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
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readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
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I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

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> The facebook group is much more pleasant.

Only because you cower there in mortal fear of being booted by the admins.

You're _done_ here virus, I mean really done.

On 12/20/2015 1:01 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> If only Barbara could apply that same theory to her own life.
>
> -sw
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:18:00 -0600
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4



She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that the subhuman virus stalked poor Omelet right of the net!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ost
>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> The facebook group is much more pleasant.

Only because you cower there in mortal fear of being booted by the admins.

You're _done_ here virus, I mean really done.

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:41:02 -0700, Abiquiu > wrote:

> For a Word replacement, Apache office (formerly open office) is free
> and completely comparable.
>
> It's a big download though.
>
> https://openoffice.apache.org/

I've already tried Open Office and their word processing program
didn't fit my needs at the time. In any case, I want a stand alone
program to use on the netbook (tiny SSD) - not an entire suite.
Thanks.

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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:46:29 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> When sf's hard drives slow down, she replaces them. When mine slow
> down, I run defrag and fix them.

Gary, stop acting like an asshole because that's not true. I know how
to defrag and do it. I also know when something else is wrong, so I
take the stranglehold off my purse strings and spend a couple of
bucks.

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sf

On 12/20/2015 11:51 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I used to shut down every night, but putting it to sleep uses very
>> little energy and everything is ready to go.

> No need for that to be spinning if it won't be used for
> many hours.
>

True, thus the sleep mode with no revolutions of the HD. Touch a key
and everything is where you left off.

sf wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:41:02 -0700, Abiquiu > wrote:
>
>> For a Word replacement, Apache office (formerly open office) is free
>> and completely comparable.
>>
>> It's a big download though.
>>
>> https://openoffice.apache.org/
>
> I've already tried Open Office and their word processing program
> didn't fit my needs at the time. In any case, I want a stand alone
> program to use on the netbook (tiny SSD) - not an entire suite.
> Thanks.
>

Fair enough.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:38:21 -0700, Groupkilla >
wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:57:08 -0800, sf wrote:
> >
> >> Rebooting is that big of a deal?
> >
> > For you it should be.
> >
> > -sw
> >
>
> DROP DEAD WOMAN STALKER!

Pity it's so hard for him to understand such a simple concept.

--

sf

Sqwertz wrote:
> I have my computer set to sleep


**** off, woman-stalker.

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:38:21 -0700, Groupkilla >
> wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:57:08 -0800, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rebooting is that big of a deal?
>>>
>>> For you it should be.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>>
>> DROP DEAD WOMAN STALKER!
>
> Pity it's so hard for him to understand such a simple concept.
>
Innit just!

sf wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:41:02 -0700, Abiquiu > wrote:
>
>> For a Word replacement, Apache office (formerly open office) is free
>> and completely comparable.
>>
>> It's a big download though.
>>
>> https://openoffice.apache.org/
>
> I've already tried Open Office and their word processing program
> didn't fit my needs at the time. In any case, I want a stand alone
> program to use on the netbook (tiny SSD) - not an entire suite.
> Thanks.
>

Find an old copy of MS Office 97 (eBay or something). It still works.

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:41:02 -0700, Abiquiu > wrote:
>>
>>> For a Word replacement, Apache office (formerly open office) is free
>>> and completely comparable.
>>>
>>> It's a big download though.
>>>
>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/
>>
>> I've already tried Open Office and their word processing program
>> didn't fit my needs at the time. In any case, I want a stand alone
>> program to use on the netbook (tiny SSD) - not an entire suite.
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> Find an old copy of MS Office 97 (eBay or something). It still works.
>
> Bob

Good advice.

To wit:

http://www.tucows.com/preview/198753...ord+processing

http://mariner-write.sharewarejunction.com/

http://i-write.sharewarejunction.com/

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:38:30 -0600, zxcvbob >
wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:41:02 -0700, Abiquiu > wrote:
> >
> >> For a Word replacement, Apache office (formerly open office) is free
> >> and completely comparable.
> >>
> >> It's a big download though.
> >>
> >> https://openoffice.apache.org/
> >
> > I've already tried Open Office and their word processing program
> > didn't fit my needs at the time. In any case, I want a stand alone
> > program to use on the netbook (tiny SSD) - not an entire suite.
> > Thanks.
> >
>
> Find an old copy of MS Office 97 (eBay or something). It still works.
>
I own XP and the entire Office Suite.

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