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Cheryl[_3_] 06-12-2015 05:56 PM

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On 12/5/2015 11:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Does not solve the problem. With the modem he is using data over the
> phone lines. There are times there is no wi-fi available and you can
> still connect over 3G or 4G


In Gary's case, he's talking about the old fashioned modems like we used
before cable, DSL, etc. Just a household phone line modem. He's posted
before that he still uses a phone line for Internet. I almost asked how
much do modems go for these days, but decided I could just check google
if I really wanted to know. lol

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dsi1[_17_] 06-12-2015 06:40 PM

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On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 11:55:33 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:52:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 6:25:48 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Now the only
> > > > time I actually go to the bank is when I need loonies for the washing
> > > > machine about every six months.
> > >
> > > I had to make a special trip to the bank yesterday just to cash in a
> > > $100 bill. No stores want them, not even my grocery store early in the
> > > morning.
> > >
> > > I traded it for 3 20-dollar bills, 3 10-dollar bills, and a roll of
> > > quarters.
> > >
> > > From there, I drove right over to Officemax to buy a usb modem for my
> > > laptop. They don't have them even though their website offers plenty.
> > > oh well. I'll have to order online. I really do HATE this constant
> > > computer update crap. They are forcing us to keep on buying.

> >
> > You'd probably like a Chromebook. It updates but I've never seen it happen. There's no update prompts or messages saying not to turn the power off.. There's no updating of the desktop client programs like Thunderbird or Firefox. There's absolutely nothing. No updates, no virus or malware scans. If the Chromebook does get malware, just power down and reboot. You'll have a clean machine in less than 15 seconds.
> >
> > Those that don't learn from the past i.e., use Windows, are doomed to repeat it.

>
> I still don't understand all the gnashing of teeth when it comes to
> computer updates. Mine updates when I turn the computer off and it's
> no big deal because the computer finishes turning itself off after it
> updates. Anything else that updates is done seamlessly and it's so
> smooth that I don't even know when it happens. I only know my
> browsers are up to date because I check the build # occasionally.
>
> --
>
> sf


It's a big humbug for me. It increases boot up time considerably. Ain't nobody got no time for that! Well, I don't anyway. It always happens when I'm in a rush or somebody's waiting on me. I can't ever count on my computer booting up reliably in an expedient manner. It also increases shut down time. Most times I have to babysit the computer to make sure it shuts down. That's not right!

dsi1[_17_] 06-12-2015 06:52 PM

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On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 6:58:32 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 16:01:32 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
> > MS updated overnight night and replaced the usual IP web page on Firefox
> > with the Bing page!
> > The Cheek!

>
> People are too quick to jump the gun and blame MS for something they
> did to themselves. IME Bing has never been a MS update issue. It's
> always forgetting to uncheck the box that says Bing will be installed
> when I DL something "free". I would bet serious cash that was your
> problem too.
>
> --
>
> sf


Since Microsoft is practically giving Windows 10 away for free, they feel they have the right to change the default browser to MS Edge and the default search engine to Bing. Actually, an upgrade to Win 10 will change most of your defaults to their products. I guess that's fair enough - I mean, they should get something out of this deal.

Ed Pawlowski 06-12-2015 08:55 PM

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On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:40:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:



>
>It's a big humbug for me. It increases boot up time considerably. Ain't nobody got no time for that! Well, I don't anyway. It always happens when I'm in a rush or somebody's waiting on me. I can't ever count on my computer booting up reliably in an expedient manner. It also increases shut down time. Most times I have to babysit the computer to make sure it shuts down. That's not right!


Sounds like you have some other issues if shutdown is not reliable. I
only shut down or reboot when it is convenient for me. Most times I
just put it to sleep and it wakes up in seconds, ready to use. I did
reboot today for the first time in about 3 weeks.

Ed Pawlowski 06-12-2015 09:00 PM

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On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 08:55:08 -0800, sf > wrote:



>
>Your situation is similar to mine. The modem/router is at one end of
>the house and there's cruddy reception at the other end, upstairs (and
>down). The answer to your question is yes. We always buy our modems
>and routers from a brick & mortar retailer and skip renting from them.
>What I don't have the chops to do is set up an older router to work as
>a signal booster. I know it can be done, but I don't have the
>technical know how to do it.


Look for an extender.
http://www.netgear.com/home/products...nge-extenders/
Easy to install and reliable. I added one at work and it adds a few
hundred feet to the range. I paid about $40, IIRC

Ed Pawlowski 06-12-2015 09:02 PM

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On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:52:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:



>
>Since Microsoft is practically giving Windows 10 away for free, they feel they have the right to change the default browser to MS Edge and the default search engine to Bing. Actually, an upgrade to Win 10 will change most of your defaults to their products. I guess that's fair enough - I mean, they should get something out of this deal.


It is easy enough to set things back too, if you don't want all the
defaults. I use Edge and it seems to be working about the same as
Chrome, but I did change the default search to Google. Overall, I'm
satisfied with W10. Good price too!

notbob 06-12-2015 09:32 PM

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On 2015-12-06, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> just put it to sleep and it wakes up in seconds, ready to use. I did
> reboot today for the first time in about 3 weeks.


I gotta wonder why you need such attention to yer box. I shut mine
down every night. It takes all of 60 secs to boot up again (I know
this is VERY slow), I got no 'puter suckin' electrons, and no hackers
at my door. To each his own. ;)

nb

[email protected] 06-12-2015 09:33 PM

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On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 16:02:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:52:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>Since Microsoft is practically giving Windows 10 away for free, they feel they have the right to change the default browser to MS Edge and the default search engine to Bing. Actually, an upgrade to Win 10 will change most of your defaults to their products. I guess that's fair enough - I mean, they should get something out of this deal.

>
>It is easy enough to set things back too, if you don't want all the
>defaults. I use Edge and it seems to be working about the same as
>Chrome, but I did change the default search to Google. Overall, I'm
>satisfied with W10. Good price too!


It's the intrusiveness that puts me off. I know we have virtually no
privacy left, but this is further down the drain.

cshenk 06-12-2015 09:40 PM

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sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 09:09:05 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > We use verizon and have our phones set to use hotspot (wifi) and not
> > update or use bandwidth when not in a hotspot. Whatever phone you do
> > get, if it's a smartphone, make sure you can set it to that or it
> > can be costly. Me, I just have mine and Charlotte's set to not use
> > much data and we don't over run a 3GB allotment. My plan carries 3
> > smartphones, 1 flip phone, and a tablet. 249$ a month. Thats a
> > family plan so each unit costs less. I do not know what a single
> > phone costs with them here.

>
> GAG! How much do you use each device? Why does your tablet need a
> special plan when all it really needs is wifi? How much do you use
> the flip phone? It can be on a minimal $75 a year plan if it's off
> most of the time. How much do you really yak on the phone? I text
> more than I talk - my $30 4G LTE Page Plus plan gives me 1500 talk
> minutes, unlimited text and 1GB of data.
>
> Gary: Checkout Motorola Moto G. Hubby bought one for $100 via
> Selectel and he's starting off with their $15 a month plan.
>
> Selectel and Page Plus are Verizon MVNOs (CDMA) so switching is easy.


PLans vary by price with the area. This is a 5 device plan. Yours is
less for 5 devices but your area is apt to be cheaper for them. The
devices are on 24/7.

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notbob 06-12-2015 09:40 PM

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On 2015-12-06, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Look for an extender.
> http://www.netgear.com/home/products...nge-extenders/
> Easy to install and reliable. I added one at work and it adds a few
> hundred feet to the range. I paid about $40, IIRC


I find these to be less than optimal. OTOH, I've not tried a lot
of them. I DO prefer Netgear gear.

I have a buddy who has extended his range by 1/8 mi, to reach our free
lodge wifi. It was an antenna which gave him this ability, not
firm/hardware. I'd tell you how, but I've not done it myself and he
doesn't wanna share his full secret for fear others would reduce his
overall free bandwidth. Sump'n from ebay. 8|

nb --pays thru the nose fer his bandwidth

cshenk 06-12-2015 09:44 PM

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Sqwertz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 09:09:05 -0600, cshenk wrote:
>
> > My plan carries 3
> > smartphones, 1 flip phone, and a tablet. 249$ a month.

>
> Ouch. I pay $7/month and only use Wifi (though I do have a small
> amount of mobile data available to me if I need it). I do not enable
> mobile data on my phone unless it's REALLY necessary. And so far,
> it's never that necessary. I don't want to be one of those morons
> needing to download my list from The Cloud in the grocery store.
>
> -sw


LOl, I use a paper list but I can easily email one to the phone (from
my own home free wifi).

Anyways, as said earlier (though chopped off by this reply), mine isnt
the cheapest plan but the most important part for us is no dead zones
ever. Which provider gives that the best, depends on where you live.
Here, it's the one I use. Cell plans may cost more where I am, period,
than where you are.



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dsi1[_17_] 06-12-2015 09:45 PM

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On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 10:55:45 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:40:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> >It's a big humbug for me. It increases boot up time considerably. Ain't nobody got no time for that! Well, I don't anyway. It always happens when I'm in a rush or somebody's waiting on me. I can't ever count on my computer booting up reliably in an expedient manner. It also increases shut down time. Most times I have to babysit the computer to make sure it shuts down. That's not right!

>
> Sounds like you have some other issues if shutdown is not reliable. I
> only shut down or reboot when it is convenient for me. Most times I
> just put it to sleep and it wakes up in seconds, ready to use. I did
> reboot today for the first time in about 3 weeks.


I shut down the computer at the office at the end of the day. I don't leave it on at night. I suppose I could do that. I used to do that. These days I don't feel inclined to do that. The Windows 10 will do updates while booting up and down. I suppose leaving it on all the time would solve that problem.

dsi1[_17_] 06-12-2015 09:52 PM

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On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 11:02:57 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:52:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> >Since Microsoft is practically giving Windows 10 away for free, they feel they have the right to change the default browser to MS Edge and the default search engine to Bing. Actually, an upgrade to Win 10 will change most of your defaults to their products. I guess that's fair enough - I mean, they should get something out of this deal.

>
> It is easy enough to set things back too, if you don't want all the
> defaults. I use Edge and it seems to be working about the same as
> Chrome, but I did change the default search to Google. Overall, I'm
> satisfied with W10. Good price too!


The interesting thing about Win10 is that it's reportedly able to work with older, slower, machines with 1GB or RAM. It used to be that Windows would drive the sales of newer, faster, hardware but it seems MS is taking an opposite strategy. That's a good thing but I look forward to the day when I don't ever have to use that OS ever!

sf[_9_] 06-12-2015 09:56 PM

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On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:52:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 6:58:32 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 16:01:32 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >
> > > MS updated overnight night and replaced the usual IP web page on Firefox
> > > with the Bing page!
> > > The Cheek!

> >
> > People are too quick to jump the gun and blame MS for something they
> > did to themselves. IME Bing has never been a MS update issue. It's
> > always forgetting to uncheck the box that says Bing will be installed
> > when I DL something "free". I would bet serious cash that was your
> > problem too.
> >

>
> Since Microsoft is practically giving Windows 10 away for free, they feel they have the right to change the default browser to MS Edge and the default search engine to Bing. Actually, an upgrade to Win 10 will change most of your defaults to their products. I guess that's fair enough - I mean, they should get something out of this deal.


I'm using a laptop that came with 8 and upgraded to w10. I prefer 10
over 8, but prefer 7 over those two. The default to Edge, like IE,
can easily be changed to Chrome or Firefox so that's not even remotely
an issue.

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sf

Dave Smith[_1_] 06-12-2015 10:22 PM

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On 2015-12-06 4:33 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 16:02:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:52:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Since Microsoft is practically giving Windows 10 away for free, they feel they have the right to change the default browser to MS Edge and the default search engine to Bing. Actually, an upgrade to Win 10 will change most of your defaults to their products. I guess that's fair enough - I mean, they should get something out of this deal.

>>
>> It is easy enough to set things back too, if you don't want all the
>> defaults. I use Edge and it seems to be working about the same as
>> Chrome, but I did change the default search to Google. Overall, I'm
>> satisfied with W10. Good price too!

>
> It's the intrusiveness that puts me off. I know we have virtually no
> privacy left, but this is further down the drain.



I don't think I am important enough for them to bother, but my issue
with both my laptop and my desktop was that they lost sound. I searched
on line and could not find a solution to my problem. One site had screen
prints that had different options than what I had, and the another had a
video where I guy explained how to fix it. Well... I assume that he
explained it. Since I did not have any sound I had no idea what he was
saying.




dsi1[_17_] 06-12-2015 10:45 PM

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On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 11:56:14 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:52:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 6:58:32 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > > On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 16:01:32 -0700, graham > wrote:
> > >
> > > > MS updated overnight night and replaced the usual IP web page on Firefox
> > > > with the Bing page!
> > > > The Cheek!
> > >
> > > People are too quick to jump the gun and blame MS for something they
> > > did to themselves. IME Bing has never been a MS update issue. It's
> > > always forgetting to uncheck the box that says Bing will be installed
> > > when I DL something "free". I would bet serious cash that was your
> > > problem too.
> > >

> >
> > Since Microsoft is practically giving Windows 10 away for free, they feel they have the right to change the default browser to MS Edge and the default search engine to Bing. Actually, an upgrade to Win 10 will change most of your defaults to their products. I guess that's fair enough - I mean, they should get something out of this deal.

>
> I'm using a laptop that came with 8 and upgraded to w10. I prefer 10
> over 8, but prefer 7 over those two. The default to Edge, like IE,
> can easily be changed to Chrome or Firefox so that's not even remotely
> an issue.
>
> --
>
> sf


Microsoft is counting on people not changing the default programs loaded in Win 10 - either because they don't know how to or don't care. It's a strategy that has worked for MS before.

Edge is a pretty good browser - fast and clean. I have a hard time telling it apart from Chrome. OTOH, I prefer a browser which is at one with the awesome Google empire so I'm not a user. OTOH, I might like it better than Firefox.

[email protected] 06-12-2015 10:46 PM

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On 6 Dec 2015 21:32:37 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-12-06, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> just put it to sleep and it wakes up in seconds, ready to use. I did
>> reboot today for the first time in about 3 weeks.

>
>I gotta wonder why you need such attention to yer box. I shut mine
>down every night. It takes all of 60 secs to boot up again (I know
>this is VERY slow), I got no 'puter suckin' electrons, and no hackers
>at my door. To each his own. ;)
>
>nb


Nbob I'm with you, last thing every night, switch off computer. I let
it boot up in the a.m. - usually takes, as you say, about sixty
seconds. I have very little trouble with mine and I understand that
might be because rebooting straightens some things out. I know one
time at bridge the director couldn't get the computer to obey and as
a last resort I said why not reboot and see what happens. All back to
normal.

sf[_9_] 06-12-2015 11:38 PM

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On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 15:40:27 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 09:09:05 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > We use verizon and have our phones set to use hotspot (wifi) and not
> > > update or use bandwidth when not in a hotspot. Whatever phone you do
> > > get, if it's a smartphone, make sure you can set it to that or it
> > > can be costly. Me, I just have mine and Charlotte's set to not use
> > > much data and we don't over run a 3GB allotment. My plan carries 3
> > > smartphones, 1 flip phone, and a tablet. 249$ a month. Thats a
> > > family plan so each unit costs less. I do not know what a single
> > > phone costs with them here.

> >
> > GAG! How much do you use each device? Why does your tablet need a
> > special plan when all it really needs is wifi? How much do you use
> > the flip phone? It can be on a minimal $75 a year plan if it's off
> > most of the time. How much do you really yak on the phone? I text
> > more than I talk - my $30 4G LTE Page Plus plan gives me 1500 talk
> > minutes, unlimited text and 1GB of data.
> >
> > Gary: Checkout Motorola Moto G. Hubby bought one for $100 via
> > Selectel and he's starting off with their $15 a month plan.
> >
> > Selectel and Page Plus are Verizon MVNOs (CDMA) so switching is easy.

>
> PLans vary by price with the area. This is a 5 device plan. Yours is
> less for 5 devices but your area is apt to be cheaper for them. The
> devices are on 24/7.


Those plans are available nationwide - but if you don't want to save
any money on your monthly bill, go ahead and ignore them.

--

sf

Nancy Young[_8_] 07-12-2015 01:58 AM

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On 12/6/2015 1:40 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> Ain't nobody got no time for that!


I say that all the time. That lady made me laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxwbhkDjZM

nancy


Nancy Young[_8_] 07-12-2015 02:03 AM

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On 12/6/2015 4:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> It is easy enough to set things back too, if you don't want all the
> defaults. I use Edge and it seems to be working about the same as
> Chrome, but I did change the default search to Google. Overall, I'm
> satisfied with W10. Good price too!


I hope I still see all the same options when I print, too. I haven't
had any luck getting the print functions in Chrome to do what I want.
It's one reason I'm concerned about upgrading to 10.

nancy


graham[_4_] 07-12-2015 02:50 AM

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On 06/12/2015 7:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/6/2015 4:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> It is easy enough to set things back too, if you don't want all the
>> defaults. I use Edge and it seems to be working about the same as
>> Chrome, but I did change the default search to Google. Overall, I'm
>> satisfied with W10. Good price too!

>
> I hope I still see all the same options when I print, too. I haven't
> had any luck getting the print functions in Chrome to do what I want.
> It's one reason I'm concerned about upgrading to 10.
>
> nancy
>

My son told me to wait. There are bound to be updates and "service
packs", or whatever!

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Ed Pawlowski 07-12-2015 03:14 AM

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On 12/6/2015 4:32 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-12-06, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> just put it to sleep and it wakes up in seconds, ready to use. I did
>> reboot today for the first time in about 3 weeks.

>
> I gotta wonder why you need such attention to yer box. I shut mine
> down every night. It takes all of 60 secs to boot up again (I know
> this is VERY slow), I got no 'puter suckin' electrons, and no hackers
> at my door. To each his own. ;)
>
> nb
>


I may have four programs open, five active pages in the browser.
Sleeping, they are ready to go where I left off in seconds.

Nancy Young[_8_] 07-12-2015 03:58 AM

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On 12/6/2015 9:50 PM, graham wrote:
> On 06/12/2015 7:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:


>> I hope I still see all the same options when I print, too. I haven't
>> had any luck getting the print functions in Chrome to do what I want.
>> It's one reason I'm concerned about upgrading to 10.


> My son told me to wait. There are bound to be updates and "service
> packs", or whatever!


They're getting more in-your-face about getting Windows 10.

You're right, I'd rather wait until more intrepid souls find
out what needs fixing before I make the leap. thanks.

nancy

sf[_9_] 07-12-2015 06:26 AM

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On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 22:58:36 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 12/6/2015 9:50 PM, graham wrote:
> > On 06/12/2015 7:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>
> >> I hope I still see all the same options when I print, too. I haven't
> >> had any luck getting the print functions in Chrome to do what I want.
> >> It's one reason I'm concerned about upgrading to 10.

>
> > My son told me to wait. There are bound to be updates and "service
> > packs", or whatever!

>
> They're getting more in-your-face about getting Windows 10.
>
> You're right, I'd rather wait until more intrepid souls find
> out what needs fixing before I make the leap. thanks.
>

If you are happy with 7, there's no reason to leap over to 10 just
because it's available. That's just asking for trouble. Wait until
you have no choice (need a new computer) and do it then.


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sf

sf[_9_] 07-12-2015 06:27 AM

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On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 22:14:43 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 12/6/2015 4:32 PM, notbob wrote:
> > On 2015-12-06, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> just put it to sleep and it wakes up in seconds, ready to use. I did
> >> reboot today for the first time in about 3 weeks.

> >
> > I gotta wonder why you need such attention to yer box. I shut mine
> > down every night. It takes all of 60 secs to boot up again (I know
> > this is VERY slow), I got no 'puter suckin' electrons, and no hackers
> > at my door. To each his own. ;)
> >
> > nb
> >

>
> I may have four programs open, five active pages in the browser.
> Sleeping, they are ready to go where I left off in seconds.


If you customized your browser correctly, all your tabs will be there
when you turn your computer back on again too.

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sf

dsi1[_17_] 07-12-2015 08:23 AM

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On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 3:58:59 PM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/6/2015 1:40 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > Ain't nobody got no time for that!

>
> I say that all the time. That lady made me laugh.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxwbhkDjZM
>
> nancy


Hoo, that's surprising. I don't believe I've ever said it. It's harder for Asians to pull that one off. I have to pick the time, place, and audience, very, very, carefully. Hee hee.

Nancy Young[_8_] 07-12-2015 02:26 PM

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On 12/7/2015 1:26 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 22:58:36 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:


>> You're right, I'd rather wait until more intrepid souls find
>> out what needs fixing before I make the leap. thanks.
>>

> If you are happy with 7, there's no reason to leap over to 10 just
> because it's available. That's just asking for trouble. Wait until
> you have no choice (need a new computer) and do it then.


That's what I have always done in the past, but then they were
never so insistent before, get the upgrade, get the upgrade!

Also, I got nailed with another bad thing, a virus, malware,
whatever, and I was kind of thinking upgrading might wipe it
out. Wishful thinking.

nancy


Gary 07-12-2015 02:54 PM

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Nancy Young wrote:
>
> On 12/7/2015 1:26 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 22:58:36 -0500, Nancy Young
> > > wrote:

>
> >> You're right, I'd rather wait until more intrepid souls find
> >> out what needs fixing before I make the leap. thanks.
> >>

> > If you are happy with 7, there's no reason to leap over to 10 just
> > because it's available. That's just asking for trouble. Wait until
> > you have no choice (need a new computer) and do it then.

>
> That's what I have always done in the past,


That's what I've always done. If your op system and software is
working fine, why fix it? It's the old saying, "If it ain't broke,
don't fix it?"

Well be careful with that one. My old computer (Win98) and my newer,
but still old one, (WinXP) are now fairly broken and I am scurrying
now to fix the problem....getting my Win7 laptop online. I could have
gotten a usb modem for the laptop 2 years ago but I didn't bother
since I didn't need it.

From now on, I'll upgrade at least somewhat often and never get WAY
behind again. It's ok to make a mistake as long as you learn from it.
sigh.

[email protected] 07-12-2015 03:04 PM

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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 09:54:25 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> On 12/7/2015 1:26 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 22:58:36 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > > wrote:

>>
>> >> You're right, I'd rather wait until more intrepid souls find
>> >> out what needs fixing before I make the leap. thanks.
>> >>
>> > If you are happy with 7, there's no reason to leap over to 10 just
>> > because it's available. That's just asking for trouble. Wait until
>> > you have no choice (need a new computer) and do it then.

>>
>> That's what I have always done in the past,

>
>That's what I've always done. If your op system and software is
>working fine, why fix it? It's the old saying, "If it ain't broke,
>don't fix it?"
>
>Well be careful with that one. My old computer (Win98) and my newer,
>but still old one, (WinXP) are now fairly broken and I am scurrying
>now to fix the problem....getting my Win7 laptop online. I could have
>gotten a usb modem for the laptop 2 years ago but I didn't bother
>since I didn't need it.
>
>From now on, I'll upgrade at least somewhat often and never get WAY
>behind again. It's ok to make a mistake as long as you learn from it.
>sigh.


They're going to have to prise my Win7 from my cold, dead hands :) I
put 10 on a netbook I hardly ever use - don't like it.

Gary 07-12-2015 03:37 PM

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wrote:
>
> They're going to have to pry my Win7 from my cold, dead hands :) I
> put 10 on a netbook I hardly ever use - don't like it.


With new op systems, it's usually best to wait about 6 months and get
the fixed version. Be careful about keeping Win7 though. I'll have
this with my laptop soon. First I'll update Firefox to the newest
version I can. Right now, it has version 14.01 That's still old but
newer than what the other 2 computers have.

I'm using my oldest computer (Win98) right now. My Firefox version is
1.0.7 LOL! Maybe I can copy it onto a CD and sell it at an antique
show. heheh.

The Firefox version on my WinXP computer isn't much newer. That one is
version 2.0.0.14. Again...antique show material.

I do resent the constant need to upgrade computers though. You can buy
a tv, stereo, car, etc and they will last as long as you can make them
last. No UPGRADES ever necessary for the hardware. No so with
computers. Websites often upgrade and what worked yesterday no longer
works today. They could easily support older systems but they don't
bother.

It's all just a corporate plan to keep us consumers spending more
money constantly. Any way, I give up, they win.

And speaking of winning, here's a note for John Kuthe. My laptop,
Toshiba, was made in China. I noticed the sticker on the bottom of it
this morning. hahaha

Gary 07-12-2015 04:29 PM

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sf wrote:
>
> Gary: Checkout Motorola Moto G. Hubby bought one for $100 via
> Selectel and he's starting off with their $15 a month plan.


Thanks for this info. As soon as I get my computer situation updated,
I'll concentrate on the new cell phone issue. :)

Gary 07-12-2015 04:39 PM

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Cheryl wrote:
>
> In Gary's case, he's talking about the old fashioned modems like we used
> before cable, DSL, etc. Just a household phone line modem. He's posted
> before that he still uses a phone line for Internet.


You have it right, Cheryl. My laptop gets any wifi but I don't have my
own wifi.
I've used it on free wifi at McDonalds and my library. Just sit in the
parking lot and use it. But you don't dare enter any personal info on
a public wifi.

I need to make this laptop my main computer now. Without my own wifi
connection, cheapest solution is just to buy a phone modem so I can
hardwire right into the phone line. I've already chosen between a soft
and hard one but I have a geek friend checking today and I'll trust
his recommendation. I suspect, I'd be better off skipping the soft
modem and just spend another $25 for the real full deal.

> I almost asked how
> much do modems go for these days, but decided I could just check google
> if I really wanted to know. lol


I'm going with a US Robotics modem. They are good reliable ones...like
the Sony's of tvs.

The soft modem is about $24
The better one with it's own hardware cost $49
I'm thinking better to buy the better one.

Janet B 07-12-2015 05:08 PM

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On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 22:58:36 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 12/6/2015 9:50 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 06/12/2015 7:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>
>>> I hope I still see all the same options when I print, too. I haven't
>>> had any luck getting the print functions in Chrome to do what I want.
>>> It's one reason I'm concerned about upgrading to 10.

>
>> My son told me to wait. There are bound to be updates and "service
>> packs", or whatever!

>
>They're getting more in-your-face about getting Windows 10.
>
>You're right, I'd rather wait until more intrepid souls find
>out what needs fixing before I make the leap. thanks.
>
>nancy

I just switched last week. It was easy to do. Of course I backed up
all of my data the day before. It didn't change anything of my data.
The thing that befuddled me was that I couldn't find the shutdown
button. It turns out (at least on my computer and monitor) that the
display needed to be corrected (everything was falling off the left
side of my monitor screen) After adjusting my display, I chose to put
my Windows icon running down the right side of my screen. Everything
you need is within the Windows icon. I can now read full screen as
before. Quickbooks and Turbo Tax prior to 2015 will not work with
Windows 10. I've had a week to become accustomed to Win 10 and now I
will install Quickbooks 2016. I hope the data transfer there goes
smoothly, I don't want to have to re-construct anything this close to
year end.
I seem to recall that there is a deadline on the free upgrade -- maybe
the end of the year? Oh, and I think the new MS Office is now Cloud
only. They also want you to choose a single password that affords you
the ability to log on across many venues. (I declined)
Janet US

Gregory Morrow[_418_] 07-12-2015 05:20 PM

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dsi1 wrote:

> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 6:25:48 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Now the only
> > > time I actually go to the bank is when I need loonies for the washing
> > > machine about every six months.

> >
> > I had to make a special trip to the bank yesterday just to cash in a
> > $100 bill. No stores want them, not even my grocery store early in the
> > morning.
> >
> > I traded it for 3 20-dollar bills, 3 10-dollar bills, and a roll of
> > quarters.
> >
> > From there, I drove right over to Officemax to buy a usb modem for my
> > laptop. They don't have them even though their website offers plenty.
> > oh well. I'll have to order online. I really do HATE this constant
> > computer update crap. They are forcing us to keep on buying.

>
> You'd probably like a Chromebook. It updates but I've never seen it happen. There's no update prompts or messages saying not to turn the power off. There's no updating of the desktop client programs like Thunderbird or Firefox. There's absolutely nothing. No updates, no virus or malware scans. If the Chromebook does get malware, just power down and reboot. You'll have a clean machine in less than 15 seconds.
>
> Those that don't learn from the past i.e., use Windows, are doomed to repeat it.



I got an Acer Chromebook a few months ago and I just love it (I keep my Toshiba laptop at work); this is the best $150.00 I ever spent (price is a bit higher now):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...p age_o00_s00


Only "beef" is that it will only work with compatible "Chrome" printers...otherwise, no worries!

It boots up fast, and the battery life is amazing - typically about ten hours. Very light at 2.5 lbs., too...

I am SO sick of these cumbersome Windows updates, they can be a real time - stealer, and of course they occur when time is the "critical" element...


--
Best
Greg



Cheri[_3_] 07-12-2015 05:37 PM

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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> wrote:
>>
>> They're going to have to pry my Win7 from my cold, dead hands :) I
>> put 10 on a netbook I hardly ever use - don't like it.

>
> With new op systems, it's usually best to wait about 6 months and get
> the fixed version. Be careful about keeping Win7 though. I'll have
> this with my laptop soon. First I'll update Firefox to the newest
> version I can. Right now, it has version 14.01 That's still old but
> newer than what the other 2 computers have.
>
> I'm using my oldest computer (Win98) right now. My Firefox version is
> 1.0.7 LOL! Maybe I can copy it onto a CD and sell it at an antique
> show. heheh.
>
> The Firefox version on my WinXP computer isn't much newer. That one is
> version 2.0.0.14. Again...antique show material.
>
> I do resent the constant need to upgrade computers though. You can buy
> a tv, stereo, car, etc and they will last as long as you can make them
> last. No UPGRADES ever necessary for the hardware. No so with
> computers. Websites often upgrade and what worked yesterday no longer
> works today. They could easily support older systems but they don't
> bother.
>
> It's all just a corporate plan to keep us consumers spending more
> money constantly. Any way, I give up, they win.
>
> And speaking of winning, here's a note for John Kuthe. My laptop,
> Toshiba, was made in China. I noticed the sticker on the bottom of it
> this morning. hahaha


I have Win98, Vista, and 7...I still think Win98 is still the best OS. I am
so with you on the needless UPGRADES but as you say, it's all about the
money.

Cheri


notbob 07-12-2015 05:53 PM

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On 2015-12-06, > wrote:

> time at bridge the director couldn't get the computer to obey and as
> a last resort I said why not reboot and see what happens. All back to
> normal.


For Microsoft Windows, that is normal.

In fact, when I still used Windows at work, we'd often call the IT
support phone. They're first response was, "Have you tried
rebooting?". They're second response was, "Try rebooting". They
would not respond to any support calls unless we had first tried
rebooting. I hadda do it at least five times per day. It usually
worked, but by time I had rebooted the system I had also lost a lotta
work.

I now use Linux and almost never need to reboot. I jes turn it off
cuz I'm not using it and I don't wanna waste power. ;)

nb

Gary 07-12-2015 06:02 PM

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notbob wrote:
>
> On 2015-12-06, > wrote:
>
> > time at bridge the director couldn't get the computer to obey and as
> > a last resort I said why not reboot and see what happens. All back to
> > normal.

>
> For Microsoft Windows, that is normal.
>
> In fact, when I still used Windows at work, we'd often call the IT
> support phone. They're first response was, "Have you tried
> rebooting?". They're second response was, "Try rebooting". They
> would not respond to any support calls unless we had first tried
> rebooting. I hadda do it at least five times per day. It usually
> worked, but by time I had rebooted the system I had also lost a lotta
> work.
>
> I now use Linux and almost never need to reboot. I jes turn it off
> cuz I'm not using it and I don't wanna waste power. ;)


Well, since you turn off your computer off each day, the Linux might
not be the answer. You can turn off a windows computer each day and
avoid problems too.

My computer had been on for a LONG time lately. The past few days, I
kept getting kicked off the internet everytime I tried to download
something. I was cursing AT&T connection. Then I thought to turn the
computer off completely and do a cold start. No more internet
connection problems. It was my computer not the isp.

Every time you start a program, it takes up some system resources.
Once you close the program, most will return the resources but not all
programs. Some will take more and more resouces each time you open
again. Eventually, your computer acts screwy. Often a cold start is
the solution..

It's at least the first thing to try.

Janet B 07-12-2015 07:16 PM

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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 13:02:08 -0500, Gary > wrote:


snip
>
>Every time you start a program, it takes up some system resources.
>Once you close the program, most will return the resources but not all
>programs. Some will take more and more resouces each time you open
>again. Eventually, your computer acts screwy. Often a cold start is
>the solution..
>
>It's at least the first thing to try.


that is a helpful resolution for your cell phone, tablet, Kindle. They
all need a clean start once in awhile
Janet US

dsi1[_17_] 07-12-2015 07:42 PM

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On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 7:21:03 AM UTC-10, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 6:25:48 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Now the only
> > > > time I actually go to the bank is when I need loonies for the washing
> > > > machine about every six months.
> > >
> > > I had to make a special trip to the bank yesterday just to cash in a
> > > $100 bill. No stores want them, not even my grocery store early in the
> > > morning.
> > >
> > > I traded it for 3 20-dollar bills, 3 10-dollar bills, and a roll of
> > > quarters.
> > >
> > > From there, I drove right over to Officemax to buy a usb modem for my
> > > laptop. They don't have them even though their website offers plenty.
> > > oh well. I'll have to order online. I really do HATE this constant
> > > computer update crap. They are forcing us to keep on buying.

> >
> > You'd probably like a Chromebook. It updates but I've never seen it happen. There's no update prompts or messages saying not to turn the power off.. There's no updating of the desktop client programs like Thunderbird or Firefox. There's absolutely nothing. No updates, no virus or malware scans. If the Chromebook does get malware, just power down and reboot. You'll have a clean machine in less than 15 seconds.
> >
> > Those that don't learn from the past i.e., use Windows, are doomed to repeat it.

>
>
> I got an Acer Chromebook a few months ago and I just love it (I keep my Toshiba laptop at work); this is the best $150.00 I ever spent (price is a bit higher now):
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...p age_o00_s00
>
>
> Only "beef" is that it will only work with compatible "Chrome" printers....otherwise, no worries!
>
> It boots up fast, and the battery life is amazing - typically about ten hours. Very light at 2.5 lbs., too...
>
> I am SO sick of these cumbersome Windows updates, they can be a real time - stealer, and of course they occur when time is the "critical" element...
>
>
> --
> Best
> Greg


Back in the good old days, people would curse Microsoft and the ground Windows walked upon. These days, it's what's the best version of Win - Hoohaa! :)

sf[_9_] 07-12-2015 08:31 PM

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On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 16:00:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 08:55:08 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> >Your situation is similar to mine. The modem/router is at one end of
> >the house and there's cruddy reception at the other end, upstairs (and
> >down). The answer to your question is yes. We always buy our modems
> >and routers from a brick & mortar retailer and skip renting from them.
> >What I don't have the chops to do is set up an older router to work as
> >a signal booster. I know it can be done, but I don't have the
> >technical know how to do it.

>
> Look for an extender.
> http://www.netgear.com/home/products...nge-extenders/
> Easy to install and reliable. I added one at work and it adds a few
> hundred feet to the range. I paid about $40, IIRC


Thanks, I see the travel router I mentioned above is listed as an
extender there. If I have to do anything more complicated to set it
up other than saying yes, it's already a no-go for me.

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sf


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