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....Indian stores?

Two such stores I checked didn't have them.

Am I right in guessing that's likely because those herbs are commonly used
with meat? (At one store, the Indian clerk had never heard of them.)


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On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 3:31:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> ...Indian stores?
>
> Two such stores I checked didn't have them.
>
> Am I right in guessing that's likely because those herbs are commonly used
> with meat? (At one store, the Indian clerk had never heard of them.)
>


Plenty of Indians eat meat. Rosemary is a Mediterranean plant, not a
subtropical one.

BTW, I don't like to buy herbs and spices in Indian stores unless they're
just for cooking, and I use thyme for salad dressing.
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On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:02:40 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:

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> They are European, not Indian and they aren't used in Indian recipes.


Fine, but, believe it or not, I found at least one Indian restaurant that
served...BEEF!

So why wouldn't their grocery stores change in more subtle ways, too?

Just as the recipe for spaghetti was imported into Italy from China, IIRC...


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> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:02:40 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
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>> They are European, not Indian and they aren't used in Indian recipes.

>
> Fine, but, believe it or not, I found at least one Indian restaurant that
> served...BEEF!
>
> So why wouldn't their grocery stores change in more subtle ways, too?
>
> Just as the recipe for spaghetti was imported into Italy from China,
> IIRC...
>
>
> Lenona.


Just how old ARE you?

And no, current thinking is that pasta existed in Italy prior to Marco Polo.




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On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 12:49:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
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> Fine, but, believe it or not, I found at least one Indian restaurant that
> served...BEEF!
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So what? There are many no Hindu Indians who eat beef.

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On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 9:49:51 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:02:40 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>
> >
> > They are European, not Indian and they aren't used in Indian recipes.

>
> Fine, but, believe it or not, I found at least one Indian restaurant that
> served...BEEF!


While the cow may be sacred, the bull (or steer) may not be.
Further, even in Hinduism, dead cows were not allowed to go to waste.
They were neither cremated nor buried.

>
> So why wouldn't their grocery stores change in more subtle ways, too?
>


They are specialist shops.

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On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 5:31:38 PM UTC-5, wrote:
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> ...Indian stores?
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> Two such stores I checked
>
> Lenona.
>
>

Instead of pondering why Indian stores don't stock R & T
and wasting time and gas, just head over to your nearest
mega market. They'll be glad to sell them to you.

'Problem' solved.

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On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 2:50:54 PM UTC-4, gtr wrote:
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> Admittedly I live in (overly) sunny SoCal, but the two that seem the
> most robust and plentiful are rosemary and thyme.


Rosemary does not winter in harsh environments.

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i don't know about Thyme, but Rosemary is very easy to grow
in many climates, in my experience

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> in many climates, in my experience
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> marc


It won't overwinter in my bit of Scotland.


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On 10/29/2015 5:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
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>> i don't know about Thyme, but Rosemary is very easy to grow
>> in many climates, in my experience
>>

> It won't overwinter in my bit of Scotland.
>

It does in mine, even though we're so much farther north than you, but
we have a lovely little micro-climate.
I have it planted against a south-facing wall.



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On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, wrote:

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> >

> It must be a problem for her as she stated in her original
> post she'd gone to 2 Indian stores and they didn't stock
> R & T.



Well, not really. I was just hoping to find a bargain - I recently found
200 grams of cinnamon at an Indian store for 99 cents. (Most of the time,
ethnic groceries do not have low prices, since they're small stores.)


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On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person
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> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 2:50:54 PM UTC-4, gtr wrote:
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> > Admittedly I live in (overly) sunny SoCal, but the two that seem the
> > most robust and plentiful are rosemary and thyme.

>
> Rosemary does not winter in harsh environments.
>

It's very hardy in all the other climates and demands little water,
which is a big plus for California. Up here, my pineapple sage does
better than the thyme.


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On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:18:37 -0000, "Ophelia" >
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> > i don't know about Thyme, but Rosemary is very easy to grow
> > in many climates, in my experience
> >
> > marc

>
> It won't overwinter in my bit of Scotland.


But it's very easy to root cuttings and overwinter in a pot. My
grandmother used that method with her geraniums.

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What about parsley and sage?
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 00:41:34 -0000, Janet > wrote:

> Be warned that cheap spices can be misleading. Cheap "cinnamon" may be
> cassia.


So what? King Arthur sells "Vietnamese Cinnamon" (aka: cassia) and it
tastes great. Freshness it the biggest factor to take into
consideration when shopping anywhere.

> Similarly, cheap "saffron" will usually be dried marigold petals
> used to colour rice ; not the stamens of crocus.
>

Marigold, really? Usually it's safflower. In any case, the only way
anyone could be fooled by a fake saffron is if they buy it powdered.

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> On 10/29/2015 5:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> > wrote in message
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>>> i don't know about Thyme, but Rosemary is very easy to grow
>>> in many climates, in my experience
>>>

>> It won't overwinter in my bit of Scotland.
>>

> It does in mine, even though we're so much farther north than you, but we
> have a lovely little micro-climate.
> I have it planted against a south-facing wall.


Lucky you Mine doesn't actually die off but it looks very unhappy and it
doesn't recover properly so I always replace it. This year I have it in
tub and it is in a very sheltered corner so I'll see how it does.


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On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 4:52:49 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> i don't know about Thyme, but Rosemary is very easy to grow
> in many climates, in my experience


Sure, many. Rosemary is reliably hardy to 20 F (-6 C), which is USDA Zone 9
(the Left Coast and the South, although microclimates elsewhere may permit
growing rosemary). Hereabouts, we get days on end when the daytime high
is below 20 F (-6 C), and the nighttime lows are 0 F (-17 C).

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On 10/30/2015 5:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>> On 10/29/2015 5:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> It won't overwinter in my bit of Scotland.
>>>

>> It does in mine, even though we're so much farther north than you, but we
>> have a lovely little micro-climate.
>> I have it planted against a south-facing wall.

>
> Lucky you Mine doesn't actually die off but it looks very unhappy
> and it doesn't recover properly so I always replace it. This year I
> have it in tub and it is in a very sheltered corner so I'll see how it
> does.
>

I have it in a big double-walled pot in my NJ garden, and most years it
does fine, but a year or two ago we had a terrible winter, and I had to
replace most of my herbs - except for the sage. I also lost some lovely
old roses.

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:12:31 -0400, S Viemeister
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>On 10/30/2015 5:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>> On 10/29/2015 5:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> It won't overwinter in my bit of Scotland.
>>>>
>>> It does in mine, even though we're so much farther north than you, but we
>>> have a lovely little micro-climate.
>>> I have it planted against a south-facing wall.

>>
>> Lucky you Mine doesn't actually die off but it looks very unhappy
>> and it doesn't recover properly so I always replace it. This year I
>> have it in tub and it is in a very sheltered corner so I'll see how it
>> does.
>>

>I have it in a big double-walled pot in my NJ garden, and most years it
>does fine, but a year or two ago we had a terrible winter, and I had to
>replace most of my herbs - except for the sage. I also lost some lovely
>old roses.


The one that comes through faithfully are some garlic chives. They
are simply in a plastic pot (terra cotta can't take it without
splitting) and when the first frost comes along I merely put the pot
down on the floor of the balcony. The rest I buy as annuals, even
the mint.

I decanted the mint sauce I froze in an ice cube tray to a bag this
a.m. and it certainly smelled as if it has retained its mintiness. I
haven't actually tried it yet but the small quantities will be nice
for one lamb chop etc.
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> On 10/30/2015 5:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>> On 10/29/2015 5:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> It won't overwinter in my bit of Scotland.
>>>>
>>> It does in mine, even though we're so much farther north than you, but
>>> we
>>> have a lovely little micro-climate.
>>> I have it planted against a south-facing wall.

>>
>> Lucky you Mine doesn't actually die off but it looks very unhappy
>> and it doesn't recover properly so I always replace it. This year I
>> have it in tub and it is in a very sheltered corner so I'll see how it
>> does.
>>

> I have it in a big double-walled pot in my NJ garden, and most years it
> does fine, but a year or two ago we had a terrible winter, and I had to
> replace most of my herbs - except for the sage. I also lost some lovely
> old roses.


Oh That is a shame about the roses. They are not so easily replaced

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> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:12:31 -0400, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>>On 10/30/2015 5:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>>> On 10/29/2015 5:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> It won't overwinter in my bit of Scotland.
>>>>>
>>>> It does in mine, even though we're so much farther north than you, but
>>>> we
>>>> have a lovely little micro-climate.
>>>> I have it planted against a south-facing wall.
>>>
>>> Lucky you Mine doesn't actually die off but it looks very unhappy
>>> and it doesn't recover properly so I always replace it. This year I
>>> have it in tub and it is in a very sheltered corner so I'll see how it
>>> does.
>>>

>>I have it in a big double-walled pot in my NJ garden, and most years it
>>does fine, but a year or two ago we had a terrible winter, and I had to
>>replace most of my herbs - except for the sage. I also lost some lovely
>>old roses.

>
> The one that comes through faithfully are some garlic chives. They
> are simply in a plastic pot (terra cotta can't take it without
> splitting) and when the first frost comes along I merely put the pot
> down on the floor of the balcony. The rest I buy as annuals, even
> the mint.
>
> I decanted the mint sauce I froze in an ice cube tray to a bag this
> a.m. and it certainly smelled as if it has retained its mintiness. I
> haven't actually tried it yet but the small quantities will be nice
> for one lamb chop etc.


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On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 6:12:39 AM UTC-7, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 10/30/2015 5:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > "S Viemeister" > wrote
> >> On 10/29/2015 5:18 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>> It won't overwinter in my bit of Scotland.
> >>>
> >> It does in mine, even though we're so much farther north than you, but we
> >> have a lovely little micro-climate.
> >> I have it planted against a south-facing wall.

> >
> > Lucky you Mine doesn't actually die off but it looks very unhappy
> > and it doesn't recover properly so I always replace it. This year I
> > have it in tub and it is in a very sheltered corner so I'll see how it
> > does.
> >

> I have it in a big double-walled pot in my NJ garden, and most years it
> does fine, but a year or two ago we had a terrible winter, and I had to
> replace most of my herbs - except for the sage. I also lost some lovely
> old roses.


That is really too bad. But it triggered a memory:
My dad would cover the rose bushes with straw, then wrap them in burlap
when I was a kid. Later they came out with styrofoam rose cones.

My wife remembers that when she was a kid, her father tried growing
a fig tree. For winter, he would bend the crown to the ground, and cover
it with mulch.
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On 10/30/2015 5:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
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> Lucky you Mine doesn't actually die off but it looks very unhappy
> and it doesn't recover properly so I always replace it. This year I
> have it in tub and it is in a very sheltered corner so I'll see how it
> does.


I've had to give up on normal gardening due to my back, but I'm going to
try herbs on my very sunny deck next year. I'll try container gardening
and not worry about overwintering it. I have tons of space on the deck
so it would be nice to use it again.

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>
> Two such stores I checked didn't have them.
>
> Am I right in guessing that's likely because those herbs are commonly used
> with meat? (At one store, the Indian clerk had never heard of them.)
>
>
> Lenona.


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> On 10/30/2015 5:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> Lucky you Mine doesn't actually die off but it looks very unhappy
>> and it doesn't recover properly so I always replace it. This year I
>> have it in tub and it is in a very sheltered corner so I'll see how it
>> does.

>
> I've had to give up on normal gardening due to my back, but I'm going to
> try herbs on my very sunny deck next year. I'll try container gardening
> and not worry about overwintering it. I have tons of space on the deck so
> it would be nice to use it again.


I am sorry to hear about the back but yes, tubs are great) Do share what
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On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:15:24 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
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> > On 10/30/2015 5:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >> Lucky you Mine doesn't actually die off but it looks very unhappy
> >> and it doesn't recover properly so I always replace it. This year I
> >> have it in tub and it is in a very sheltered corner so I'll see how it
> >> does.

> >
> > I've had to give up on normal gardening due to my back, but I'm going to
> > try herbs on my very sunny deck next year. I'll try container gardening
> > and not worry about overwintering it. I have tons of space on the deck so
> > it would be nice to use it again.

>
> I am sorry to hear about the back but yes, tubs are great) Do share what
> you decide to do!


An older fellow I worked with, made raised planting beds for his
wife, so she could garden from a seated position, without bending
over.


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> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 3:15:24 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> eb.com...
>> > On 10/30/2015 5:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Lucky you Mine doesn't actually die off but it looks very unhappy
>> >> and it doesn't recover properly so I always replace it. This year I
>> >> have it in tub and it is in a very sheltered corner so I'll see how it
>> >> does.
>> >
>> > I've had to give up on normal gardening due to my back, but I'm going
>> > to
>> > try herbs on my very sunny deck next year. I'll try container gardening
>> > and not worry about overwintering it. I have tons of space on the deck
>> > so
>> > it would be nice to use it again.

>>
>> I am sorry to hear about the back but yes, tubs are great) Do share
>> what
>> you decide to do!

>
> An older fellow I worked with, made raised planting beds for his
> wife, so she could garden from a seated position, without bending
> over.


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On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:00:23 -0000, Janet > wrote:
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> Most well established recipes that call for Cinnamon came from Europe or
> the middle east and should use Ceylon Cinnamon. The same applies to any
> Mexican recipes that calls for Cinnamon. This is because the taste
> profile of these desserts were designed with Ceylon Cinnamon.
>
> However because the supply in the US is overwhelmingly Cassia Cinnamon,
> most people have been using Cassia Cinnamon. That makes the desserts
> taste very different. Even many Mexican desserts made in the US
> erroneously substitute Cassia Cinnamon, which ruins the original taste
> profile of the dessert. Because Ceylon Cinnamon tends to be mild and
> sweet, it lends itself to creating sophisticated layers of flavors that
> is not possible with harsher Cassia Cinnamon."
>

First of all, whatever source you quoted is completely wrong about the
unavailability of Ceylon cinnamon in the US. According to King Arthur
Flour, Ceylon cinnamon is what's commonly found in the supermarket
spice section. They also say that Vietnamese cinnamon (cassia) is not
only stronger, it's sweeter, and has a higher oil content, which
brings out its flavor, and disperses it more fully throughout whatever
you’re baking.

How about focusing on British oddities for a change? I tied to find a
recipe for a traditional British sausage that doesn't contain a
filler, but apparently they like don't like the taste of meat and
seasonings alone and need it muted by bread or oatmeal. So it makes
sense that some might prefer Ceylon over Vietnamese to the point that
one of them would make an issue of it here based on incorrect
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In article >,
says...
>
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:00:23 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >
> > Most well established recipes that call for Cinnamon came from Europe or
> > the middle east and should use Ceylon Cinnamon. The same applies to any
> > Mexican recipes that calls for Cinnamon. This is because the taste
> > profile of these desserts were designed with Ceylon Cinnamon.
> >
> > However because the supply in the US is overwhelmingly Cassia Cinnamon,
> > most people have been using Cassia Cinnamon. That makes the desserts
> > taste very different. Even many Mexican desserts made in the US
> > erroneously substitute Cassia Cinnamon, which ruins the original taste
> > profile of the dessert. Because Ceylon Cinnamon tends to be mild and
> > sweet, it lends itself to creating sophisticated layers of flavors that
> > is not possible with harsher Cassia Cinnamon."
> >

> First of all, whatever source you quoted


I gave the source, here it is again

http://cinnamonvogue.com/Types_of_Cinnamon_1.html

>is completely wrong about the
> unavailability of Ceylon cinnamon in the US.


You are completely wrong, it does NOT claim Ceylon cinnamon is
unavailable in USA. (Is that little porkie pie the reason you edited out
the url? ) quote

"Around 70% of North America uses Cassia Cinnamon. Indonesia is the
chief supplier of Cassia Cinnamon. This is because it is much cheaper
than Ceylon Cinnamon which tends to be expensive because of the hand
crafted process needed to harvest it and roll it in multiple thin
layers. Cassia Cinnamon is a hard bark that is spicy, smells pretty
strong and sometimes bitter."

> How about focusing on British oddities for a change?


????? My reply applied equally to any cooks including UK, who buy the
cheapest spice in ethnic shops. In my experience many shops serving a
large ethnic community stock several qualities of spice from the real
thing to the cheap sub, at a range of prices.

This is where I buy mine.

http://www.docgreens.co.uk/p/herbs-spices_13.html

http://www.docgreens.co.uk/p/gallery.html

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On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 9:48:11 AM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:00:23 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >
> > Most well established recipes that call for Cinnamon came from Europe or
> > the middle east and should use Ceylon Cinnamon. The same applies to any
> > Mexican recipes that calls for Cinnamon. This is because the taste
> > profile of these desserts were designed with Ceylon Cinnamon.
> >
> > However because the supply in the US is overwhelmingly Cassia Cinnamon,
> > most people have been using Cassia Cinnamon. That makes the desserts
> > taste very different. Even many Mexican desserts made in the US
> > erroneously substitute Cassia Cinnamon, which ruins the original taste
> > profile of the dessert. Because Ceylon Cinnamon tends to be mild and
> > sweet, it lends itself to creating sophisticated layers of flavors that
> > is not possible with harsher Cassia Cinnamon."
> >

> First of all, whatever source you quoted is completely wrong about the
> unavailability of Ceylon cinnamon in the US. According to King Arthur
> Flour, Ceylon cinnamon is what's commonly found in the supermarket
> spice section.
>

The King Arthur needs to get his face out of Guinevere's crotch and take a
breath because grocery store cinnamon is cassia, NOT Ceylon.
>
> sf


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